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Giants 33 - 49ers 9: I'm just assuming that other TD was called back on a penalty

Well that was certainly an embarrassment.  I really do feel bad for the 49ers defense in all of this.  While the Giants rolled on the opening touchdown drive, their other two touchdown drives were set up by ugly turnovers.  In the second quarter, the Giants scored a touchdown after forcing a fumble on the 49ers 27.  Then in the fourth quarter, the Giants scored a touchdown after running an in interception back to the 49ers 5 yard line.  When you do that sort of thing, you're just asking for an ass-whuppin.

While I'll be fine in the next few days, I'm really just feeling beaten down by this team and I bet the defense is feeling it a little as well.  The only thing keeping me remotely optimistic is the combination of benching Jonas Jennings, the return of Alex Smith next week (hopefully) and the AWESOMENESS that is defensive line coach Jim Tomsula.

While the offensive line continued to blow chunks, what really pissed me off were all the penalties.  13 penalties for 82 yards and almost every penalty seemed to come after the team made a nice play:

  1. Frank Gore left end for 11 yards - The Disease called for holding.
  2. Frank to the right for 13 yards - Staley called for holding.
  3. Manning incomplete pass on 3rd down - Moore roughing the passer.
  4. Dilfer completion to The Disease for 13 yards - Baas called for holding.
And let's not get started on Ray McDonald hopping offsides twice before the snap and then getting called when he does it yet again on the snap.  Suffice to say, I'm a little frustrated right now.  The defense made plays including some big 3rd down stops and the offense continued to struggle.  

There were certainly some positives on offense that they can hopefully carry over, but the turnovers just killed us.  The 49ers turned the ball over 4 times which resulted in 24 points (3 touchdowns and a field goal).  That's just NOT GONNA CUT IT!

And I'd be excited about Plaxico Burress getting more or less shut down if we hadn't gotten pasted the rest of the time.  The 49ers offense isn't good enough to overcome handing the Giants these points on a platter.

Briefly looking ahead, New Orleans comes to town next week in a battle of under-achieving squads.  Of course, New Orleans has now won back to back games while the 49ers' tailspin continues.  We should have Alex Smith back so maybe we'll have a QB playing who can actually move around in the pocket and not get sacked every other play.

And just because I need something to cheer me up, GAME BALL to Jim Tomsula for keeping the D-Line fired up!

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My scouting report is pretty short
Because more than ever I'm convinced the problems on offense can be pinned down on a small number of very specific things. And I say that because, to me, the playcalling was on this week, The weapons were in on the action, and Gore was back to running strong without protection.

So right now the problems come thusly:

  1. Trent Dilfer. He's not a good QB. Missed reads, bad throws, and awful strength (a few times it looked like he had trouble getting the short passes as far as they needed to). I haven't seen so much air underneath these balls since Dorsey tried to throw a few 20 yards downfield (alternate line = "since I got that newfangled pants-fan"). The upside: Trent Dilfer is a correctable problem. The cure is Alex Smith. Cool.
  2. Offensive line: Wow. Just. Wow. I saw something like 19 sacks today. I've decided that Jonas Jennings is not a good player. Not even a little bit. When he's not hurt, he's either holding somebody or letting them run free. Larry Allen is NOT as bad as we thought he was. He's still a good player. He's more exploitable than he's ever been, but I won't call him out on this. Who will I call out? Eric Heitmann. Screw that his leg might not be feeling right. The rest of the line is routinely missing their assignments on blitzes and double teams. I don't think they have a big schematic problem with the line. If that was the case, I'd be on the coach, there. But does anybody else think that Heitmann is NOT reading the defense very well, and is not directing his line well as a result?
And that's all. If we keep playing the kind of offense we saw today, get Smith back, get Jennings out of there, and do something about Heitmann calling this line (was Wragge in at center a lot last year, or am I remembering that wrong?), then I think this offense is VERY close to being a real NFL offense.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2007 2:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And with the Niners done
My choices are either watching the Raiders on TV, or watching Forever Knight on DVD.

Wyn Davies, here I come!

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like I made the right choice.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2007 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah that sucked
Dilfer was garbage.  He is supposed to be the guy who doesn't lose the game for you and that's precisely what he did today.  2 picks and a lost fumble on a muffed handoff.  He made some nice throws including the TD but he made too many mistakes and he was too easy to sack.

The O Line continues to suck.  We ran a little better today but we still couldn't protect the QB.  Our defense did what they could but it looked to me like we were really missing Lawson out there and the lack of a pass rush is becoming a real problem.  

Bring back the classic Uni's!

by wjackalope on Oct 21, 2007 4:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You forgot
The fumble return for a touchdown, ball stripped mid-sack.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2007 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, ok
I've got to say some things here, because all I'm hearing (obviously not here, but from the radio and from people I'm talking to), all I'm hearing is how this game was a total embarassment for the Niners, a step backward, and worth Nolan's head.

Now, everybody around here might agree with me anyway - because we're all pretty reasonable, attentive fans - but to you poo-flingers I have this to say.

Put DOWN the gun! This was probably the team's best game all year, everything accounted for. For the first time all year the playcalling was consistently strong, getting Gore to the weak spots and attacking downfield, but MOST importantly calling a variety of plays in a variety of situations to all sides of the field. Do I think Gore was used quite enough? Not really, but on a day when the field was a mess, maybe that was a good coaching decision, too. Furthermore: Gore was running strong, also for the first time all year. It finally looks like we might have our man back. Thirdly: The receivers played well. Battle put another TD notch in his belt, Davis made some small things happen in the middle of the field and was no doubt part of the reason Gore found the room he did at the line. Lelie, moron/rust aside, stretched the defense down the field, and made plays when the ball came his way (even if he sabotaged those same plays either before or after the catch). And Jackson finally sniffed the endzone. Part D: The defense was, once again - and the first series aside - awesome. I second Fooch's picture of who I will now be calling D-LINE GUY, and only D-LINE GUY. But Burress was also a non-factor, the blocked punt was awesome, and Willis was all over the field again. Ray McDonald sucked, though. Sucked hard, sucked balls. With that resume, maybe he's in the wrong corner of the entertainment industry, but I think I'll give him another chance and see what happens. Fifthly: Staley continues to look good, with a bad holding call being the only real issue today. Allen is looking a lot better to me than I was expecting with all the talk of his demise. He's obviously suffering from the rigors of age, but he's still making the most of his diminishing talents. And Snyder and Baas looked largely solid in the fourth quarter.

That said, I'll reiterate what I said before, but I'll say it better. Dilfer is Garbage. The team had three turnovers that he alone was directly and completely responsible for (unless you want to be fair and pin the fumble halfway on the line for giving up Umenyiora, of all people, to the backfield), and a fourth that he was partially responsible for. So that's four turnovers that Dilfer alone was a direct part of. As far as the line is concerned, Jennings is awful. I'm done with him. He's my new Kwame Harris. I hope his personal problems had to do with wondering about why he's so bad (and before you say I'm being insensitive, hoping THAT was his problem is most likely hoping that his real problems were not as bad as they likely were, so I'm being a good person). I think Heitmann is not making the right calls at the line, which is exposing the other guys who might actually be playing well (like Allen, Staley, and even dare-I-say-it Smiley).

So to summarize. Today we saw a MUCH better coached game than we have even in our wins. We saw better performances from almost all of the skill positions than we have all year, even in the wins. And the problems that we did see (turnovers, sacks, and penalties) came largely from a very select group of individuals rather than the unit meltdwns we've been seeing all year.

I think this was a major step forwrd. And a testament to the word done by Nolan and the coaches during the bye week.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2007 5:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Testament to the Word"?
The Word of Nolan! I'd like to say it was a typo, but I believe the great Nolan was actually influencing my hand from afar.

Or something. It was probably just a typo. Meant "work."

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2007 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you make some good points
I think the offensive game plan was much much better than it has been, but the execution was once again largely piss poor.  Good to see some  running room for Gore.  He played well.

And while the D played well again I think we need to be more creative in our blitzing, maybe disguise our coverages a little better so WE could create misreads and INTs.  We need to get a pass rush.  For as well as BY and Douglas have played, they're not getting pressure on the QB.  This may also be part of Lawson not being there to blitz.  

Bring back the classic Uni's!

by wjackalope on Oct 21, 2007 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness
In all fairness to BY and Douglas, though, they're linemen in a 3-4.  It's very difficult for them to generate a pass rush when they're supposed to go head up with (hopefully) a defensive tackle AND a guard.  The guy two disappointing things right now is Tully Banta-Cain and the loss of Manny Lawson.  Banta-Cain, while he's been in on sacks and pressures, isn't taking the next step of actually getting sacks for himself.  Maybe he's being accounted for more easily since Manny's gone.  In any case, hopefully with more Brandon Moore at the other OLB, teams have to think twice about checking down on Banta-Cain.

Basically, I just wanted to defend BY and Douglas.  They've done what they should be doing.  Banta-Cain is (VERY) often matched up one-on-one with a tackle and can't take it to the QB.  Again, I hope B.Moore compliments him well, else the only sacks will come on (really lopsided) outnumbering blitzes, and we all know how risky (and infrequent) those are.

by sfgfan on Oct 21, 2007 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some disagreements:
Okay, let me preface this by saying that I agree with some of your points, applaud your positivity, and am very very bitter right now.  That being said, some disagreements with your assessment:

1)This may just be a matter of perspective, but the fact that this may have been the Niners' "best game this year" does not strike me as a promising statement.  Whatever you have to say about the game today, the Niners looked bad against a team that (in my opinion) is highly overrated.  I would put the Giants in the average to slightly above average category...and they beat us soundly.  If that showing was a step forward, we have a LONG way to go.

  1. The playcalling was better, I will concede that, but...
  2. The Giants made it easier on our playcallers by putting together a multiple touchdown lead.  Most of our offensive production (aside from the solid first half drive that ended in Arnaz Battle's TD catch) came in garbage time (which begins early when teams are playing the Niners given their demonstrated offensive ineptitude).  Many of Gore's yards were collected after the Giants had already shifted their defense to give up the easy 5-10 yard gains on the ground (including the big run at the end of the first half).
  3. Yes, Dilfer was especially awful.  Just awful.  He looked like a frightening hybrid of over-the-hill quarterback without the physical tools to win and rookie quarterback who makes the wrong decisions.  That being said, to say that this problem is solved by the return of Alex Smith seems to ignore history.  I am still optimistic that Smith can become an above average quarterback, but its not exactly like he was tearing up the league earlier this year.  I'd like to see him throw for more than 200 yards before I start celebrating him as the savior of the team.  He needs to prove himself as a legitimate quarterback this year and, so far, he has been disappointing, without question.  Then again, I am looking forward to having his mobility back.  Which brings me to my final point....
  4. Yes, the O-line is god awful.  And I don't see any reason to be optimistic here without some major changes in personnel and coaching.  We need help.  Somebody, please, help us.
All due respect, I guess my major disagreement with the post is that I do not believe the problem can be attributed to a handful of players making mistakes.  There are systemic issues arising every week on both sides of the ball and the buck needs to stop with Nolan.  I am certainly not calling for him to be canned or anything ridiculous like that, but our problems are not simply attributable to execution.  That much is clear.  Nolan needs to step up, take some responsibility, and make some serious changes.  Time to go back to training camp, perhaps?

by Call It The Throw on Oct 21, 2007 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
A lot of my optimism RE: Smith vs. Dilfer is that today the Giants scored something like 24 points off of turnovers and all of those turnovers came in some way at the hands of Dilfer (though the O-line and Gore closing his arms early on the exchange are other factors). Even if Smith is no great shakes, and doesn't produce positively any better than Dilfer did, his specialty and the thing he is extremely good at is not giving up the ball. Even assuming he still gives up one of those four and it went for a touchdown, that makes it anywhere from a 9-19 to 15-19 depending on how you feel about that last touchdown, plus a major TOP change and who knows how things swing.

Anyway, just saying 24 points of off Dilfer turnovers when Smith so far this year has turned the ball over fewer times than Tom Brady (I think that's right), makes me think that even not being great, Smith being in this game changes things pretty significantly.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2007 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it begins
http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=690455

Not much good news there.  If the players start fighting with each other this season is going to turn ugly.  I'm not saying they will, but this isn't a good sign.  Plus Gore and Smith might not be able to play next week.

moar good newz pls.

We are not who I thought we were.

by marcello on Oct 21, 2007 10:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OTOH
This just makes me like Gore even more than I did before.
"I don't care about the play calls," he said. "Whenever he calls a play, we have to make it work. It's (on) the players."

That is my kind of attitude. No excuses for what you can't control. Just put up or shut the hell up. When I'm not being a pussy, that's the attitude I like to have to the world.

-

This makes me a little crazy.

In case you were wondering about the sack of Trent Dilfer that resulted in Osi Umenyiora's 75-yard fumble return, it turns out that he was Dilfer's responsibility. There was a line call that directed left tackle Jonas Jennings to block a man inside.

Therefore, Umenyiora was left unblocked. Dilfer knew that. The play was a three-step drop and Dilfer wanted to throw to Ashley Lelie, who was running a fade route. The problem is that Umenyiora is so quick, he got to Dilfer before he could get rid of the football.

"You see that a lot, and the end never gets to you in three steps," said Dilfer, marveling at Umenyiora's speed off the edge.

First of all, a line call that leaves Umenyiora completely free on the blind side of a quarterback who has negative mobility is just beyond me. I don't know what universe that makes sense in. Further convincing me that Heitmann is not directing things very well from center. I get that because of the call the play falls on Dilfer not getting rid of the ball fast enough, but how you can justify making that call in the first place is beyond me. Is there any scenario where that call is made and Dilfer doesn't get sacked?

I just don't see it.

Ugh.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2007 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoops
I just posted about this on the front page before seeing the link to Maiocco here.
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by Fooch on Oct 21, 2007 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Front
Your analysis of it is much better than mine (and it looks nicer too).
We are not who I thought we were.

by marcello on Oct 21, 2007 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, somewhat
In regards to Gore, I agree somewhat.  I like his attitude, but I wish these types of things never hit the media.  I'm probably being unrealistic given the way the media covers a player even farting, but that's how I feel.  Gore most certainly has the respect of the team but it still makes me nervous.
We are not who I thought we were.

by marcello on Oct 21, 2007 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I agree
It's always worrisome when a player speaks negatively about the team in any way to the media. I actually like when players do it in pretty specific situations, but as a pretty airtight rule you cannot call your team out to the media.

It's not that he said it that I really like. It's that it is his point of view. That's the kind of warrior I want on my team. Every time.

I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down. Over and over. / My Blog, For Writers

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2007 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best game of the year?
Best game of the year?  That is Halloween-booyah scary.

The play calling had more variety.  There were more mistakes.  Those two items seem related.

Up until this game, it looked like the coaches didn't trust the offense enough to open it up.  It looked like they were so concerned about execution that they kept it simple.

The "suggestion box" outcome apparently was this:  the players asked to open it up, and the coaches went along.

The offense was changed enough so that the players looked like they were starting from scratch. They made training-camp style mistakes.

This won't be fixed in one week.  But at least it looked like a scheme that could work at the professional level, something sorely missing until yesterday.

The division is weak, and coming up the Niners have a few weeks with teams more at their level.  So they have a window to fix things.

by Roger from SF on Oct 22, 2007 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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