Seahawks 24 - 49ers 0: What the hell am I supposed to say????
Seriously...What am I supposed to say after such an embarrassing performance? I thought the defense put up a valiant effort while the offense apparently didn't board the plane from San Francisco. Tony Kornheiser just said, "You have to ask yourself is Seattle this good or is San Francisco this bad?" Well I think it's safe to say that San Francisco IS this bad. I thought Seattle was decent heading into this season and I think they're gaining some confidence. The 49ers on the other hand? Their offense is garbage right now and I think this adequately provides my thoughts on the matter:

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Bring back Dilfer!
Can we get Colt Brennan at the end of Round 1 in the draft? It's time for someone new. The Alex Smith era is OVER!!!
by joebirdie3 on Nov 12, 2007 8:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
... and frankly, while Alex Smith has not been impressive, what the hell is he supposed to do when guys are rushing at him completely untouched time and time again? Then, when he does make a good throw his receivers can't catch it? (Like the first play of the game, which was a good deep throw that was dropped by the receiver). This offense is such a disaster you can't really evaluate him fairly.
by jaytierney on Nov 12, 2007 9:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
offense and nolan
by Fooch on Nov 12, 2007 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith
by affan1025 on Nov 12, 2007 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Audibles
by jfainsf49 on Nov 13, 2007 7:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Audibles
Also, people tend to forget he's had about the same amount of time in organized football as the guys from the past two NFL drafts. He's very young, and while he's been in the NFL for two and a half years, he's still the youngest starting QB in the league.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Nolan's fault...
Arnaz Battle is a guy I love to watch, because he has some of the best hands I've seen out of frisco since no80. But I recall at least 3 times last night where he was open and on the move, but could only get a hand on the ball to knock it down because the pass was so inaccurate.
And dude, the first play of the game was no exception. By some rare and bizarre fluke, Djack got separation on that play, and Alex's throw was 4 yards short - causing Darrell to come back for it, and allowing the DB to get his hands in on the play.
by shleckothegecko on Nov 13, 2007 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First play
by jaytierney on Nov 13, 2007 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brennan
by affan1025 on Nov 12, 2007 9:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Brohm and Woodson will be gone
by Fooch on Nov 12, 2007 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brennan
by methodrampage on Nov 13, 2007 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
did everyone forget
by GoninerZ21 on Nov 13, 2007 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2008 draft
by jfainsf49 on Nov 13, 2007 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A.Smith
by sstjohn on Nov 12, 2007 9:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Disgusting brand of football...
I really do hope they bring in some competition next year to push Alex. Each season Nolan says there's open competition for every position BUT QUARTERBACK. That needs to change this off-season. Either draft a quarterback or bring in a veteran. I don't think this will hinder the development of Alex. If it does, then he's not as mentally tough as what coach Nolan advertises. Competition brings the best out everyone.
It is too easy to blame Alex alone for this offense's terrible performance. Nolan HAS to demote Hostler. Hostler lacks the knowledge right now to be an OC. He is way over his head for this job. But just like Alex, it serves no purposes taking the playcalling duties away from Hostler until the season ends.
The saddest thing about all this is, I'll continue to watch every agonizing snap until the end of the season. Go Niners! cricket cricket
by Eyeshield21 on Nov 12, 2007 9:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you can blame smith
either he has small hands or he just doesnt have what it takes
by Vote4Gore on Nov 12, 2007 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
But last year Norv worked with it.
I think it starts and ends with the OC, period.
The O-Line even played better. We hafta stop blaming the players. We have to forsee that and say it's the coaching staff. No way a defense should be out on the field 45 minutes a game. It's a fuckign disgraceful team and I would not be surprised if we get shut out by St. Louis next week.
by jtoj on Nov 12, 2007 10:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
sorry i disagree
by rimrock101 on Nov 12, 2007 10:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well
Unless the Warriors can turn it up a notch, I guess Ima be a one sport man for a while.
I'm just about done with this pathetic excuse of a team we have here.
by jtoj on Nov 12, 2007 10:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Question
Does the onside kick to start the second half seem dumb to anyone else? Didn't we do the exact same thing, in a similar position, against Seattle week 4? To me, it seems like a poor choice. If a team were to ever expect it, that would be the time. Again, I did not see the game, nor this particular play, but I was curious about it. Anyone have any thoughts?
by marcello on Nov 12, 2007 10:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We need to do anything to score points.
by cheno on Nov 12, 2007 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The onside kick...
by jfainsf49 on Nov 13, 2007 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disconnected
That being said I don't have a problem with the call. We needed to do something and it's not like that call cost us the game.
by methodrampage on Nov 13, 2007 8:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw logic
And just because I think it was a horrible call doesn't mean that I had no hope of the Niners gaining a first down in the second half.
By kicking off like a normal team we would not have put our defense against a wall. We did get a turnover shortly afterward but that is beside the point.
by jfainsf49 on Nov 13, 2007 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The defense
Basically, Nolan has A LOT of faith in his defense, and he'd rather put the defense against the wall, than try to force the 49ers offense to drive the field. I can't say I blame him, right now.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
by jfainsf49 on Nov 13, 2007 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Helmet to helmet
Haralson slowed up and even avoided falling on Hasselbeck. It IS football, you know? Players are meant to get hit, much like players are meant to hit others. Even Jaworski, an ex-quarterback, thought the flag was a little picky.
I liked that the defense was able to stop the Seahawks (if it weren't for the penalty). While the penalty cost them the stop and 4 additional points, you can't tell a player NOT to go after the QB. If you ask Hasselbeck if that helmet shot rattled him, he'd probably give you a decisive "No," but he'd take the yards (and first down) any day.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Desperate times...
We all know that Nolan is no offensive guru. So really, all that can be done from his position is give the offense as many chances to succeed as possible. Let them show us something. Let them prove to everyone on a national stage that they aren't as bad as everyone's been saying they are.
The fact that they ARE that bad...well, what do you want Nolan to do about it?
by shleckothegecko on Nov 13, 2007 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a problem
Similarly, the fourth and goal and fourth and three (I think?) in the red zone were also calls I agreed with. Some could argue that if the 49ers had kicked field goals, they would have been only down by 11. That would still require two more scores. They needed a touchdown (or two) at some point, so I don't disagree with those calls. Nolan was basically saying, "if we can't score here, the game is pretty much over." He got a second chance to say the exact same thing and he took it again. Basically, he let the offense know that the loss would be on them (as the defense was pretty good to open the second half).
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by marcello on Nov 13, 2007 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dont blame coach nolan
by J2daZ on Nov 12, 2007 11:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
come on
by GoninerZ21 on Nov 13, 2007 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Duuuuuuuude
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2007 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Next Year
by montasmob69 on Nov 13, 2007 5:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
haha
I don't think you could get a 6th round pick for Allen, hes done. Also he is a free agent next season. Nice dream though kid.
by enut21 on Nov 13, 2007 6:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith needs to sit
Last night every time he dropped back to pass everyone in the booth was critiquing his mechanics. Smith and overthrowing, underthrowing. He seemed clueless about the pass rush.
If Hill is so bad he cannot play quarterback in an NFL game, then he should be cut. If he can play, put him in and let Smith sit. If Hill can't play, put in Dilfer again.
Smith looks so bad now it's hard to imagine him being a real NFL quarterback.
Bottom line: This team is going nowhere. Now is the time to start evaluating the talent along the bench to see who's coming back next year.
by Bob In Pacifica on Nov 13, 2007 6:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Smith out Hoss out Dilfer in
Smith should be benched. He should go ahead and get his shoulder repaired. Put Dilfer back in and let him work the ball to a healthy V. Davis. And let Dilfer call the plays.
by jfainsf49 on Nov 13, 2007 7:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
by GoninerZ21 on Nov 13, 2007 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mechanics
Basically, all I'm saying is that Smith may be trying to find ways to "muscle up" for each pass. I can't imagine the pain has completely gone away, and there's no way he's at 100% strength. Those two things will only come with extended rest, not 4 weeks (with throwing in between).
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith is hurt
Now they are stuck with no real replacement on the roster. Nevertheless, Alex is hurt. Whether he's a bust or he's still the quarterback of the future he's not the quarterback of the present. He needs to heal.
Meanwhile, is there anyone, ANYONE around to sign as a quarterback?
by Bob In Pacifica on Nov 13, 2007 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In a week or two.
As for current free agents, there doesn't really appear to be anyone worth taking a flier on (based on this list). The only two people that may be an improvement over Dilfer or Hill are Bledsoe (who would be a sitting duck behind this offensive line, not too different from Dilfer) and Aaron Brooks (who may be able to make something out of his feet, but is TERRIBLY inaccurate and inconsistent).
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
by LA49er on Nov 13, 2007 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing will spring Vick.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because that would go over well
by LA49er on Nov 14, 2007 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We sucked on both sides of the ball
Absolutely. No. Pass. Rush. Hasselbeck had as much time as he wanted.
And I refuse to even talk about the offense, other than to say I have literally never seen an offense this bad.
In all seriousness, they need to peel the "BW"s off their helmets. This team is an insult to the Walsh family. I hate them.
by Call It The Throw on Nov 13, 2007 8:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blame the suit
We need a motivational coach. We need a coach that can come in and kick the shit out of our guys until they get it right. We don't have a team of professionals, we have a ragtag group of potential, and for that we need a coach with some fire. All the draft picks in the world can't help us, if the kids show up to learn how to lose and then get picked up by another team where they get taught how to win.
Dennis Green?
Because we are who we thought we were...
by LA49er on Nov 13, 2007 8:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nolan wouldn't be good with the chargers either
by spenczar on Nov 13, 2007 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Qb sneak
by jfainsf49 on Nov 13, 2007 8:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I'd say shut him down.
Likewise, as others have commented, why not just play VD as a wideout. If you need a tight end to block, put someone else in to block. Hell, put a lineman there. If you only throw there twice a game what the hell does it matter whether the guy can catch or not?
by Bob In Pacifica on Nov 13, 2007 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And after
by Bob In Pacifica on Nov 13, 2007 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stiff?
Smith needs more time in the pocket. He needs to be able to trust his offensive line and have that trust be warranted. The 49ers are lucky that he trusts them as much as he does right now, still. Considering how many times he's been sacked, and his injury, it's amazing he still trusts them. The two fumbles he gave up, he looked like he believed the offensive line would do their work (much like Trent Dilfer did a few weeks back). The first fumble was a result of Vernon Davis getting off of the line late, and then blocking down on someone the running back already picked up, leaving Kerney free on the outside.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stiff
I agree that the Niners have lots of needs. The O line actually has been playing better the last couple of games. The two big blocks missed seem to have belonged to Hicks (why wasn't Robinson in there on third down?) and Vernon. If Davis is missing blocks anyway, why not split him wide and use him as a wideout? After all, when he has to come back for those underthrown passes at least he'll be big enough to battle for them.
by Bob In Pacifica on Nov 13, 2007 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly
While I disagree with using him as a blocker as much as the 49ers have, one of the only ways to have success against Seattle is to stack the box and do some sort of full-protect scheme. Of course, full-protect only helps if the guys who are making up the "full" do their jobs.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Up until that point.
Gore is a very good back at making the most out of tight spaces. If Moran Norris didn't get OWNED like he did, the 49ers would have had six. Frank got on Norris AND spoke to Larry Allen after the play, which was one of the lone bright spots of last night's game. The team is in dire need of players that are emotional leaders on the field, and it's nice to see Frank step up and want to be that player.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Norris
by Bob In Pacifica on Nov 13, 2007 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Norris
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4th down
by jaytierney on Nov 13, 2007 10:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yup yup
by GoninerZ21 on Nov 13, 2007 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even Steve Young hates us
When you play so badly that even quarterbacks who played for you ten years ago are shaken, you are in trouble.
by spenczar on Nov 13, 2007 9:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Steve Young
It's just a very disappointing year for the 49ers, and I'm sure Steve is taking his lumps like all of us (49ers fans). He may be even taking it worse, much like a Cal Alumni may take losses to USC or Stanford worse than just a random Cal fan.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
by jaytierney on Nov 13, 2007 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
Again.
by LA49er on Nov 13, 2007 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This team is embarassing
Leave this squad in Maroon.
I would keep Smith for 08-09. Since we need to blow up the OLline, might as well get that gelled before we find a new QB. Besides I have a funny feeling we will have a high draft pick next year as well, hopefully we won't trade it for.
by zenbitz on Nov 13, 2007 10:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
by GoninerZ21 on Nov 13, 2007 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First rounders
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
by jaytierney on Nov 13, 2007 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On top of that "Also..."
Staley has done extremely well and so has Lawson. Lawson isn't necessarily the ideal 3-4 OLB, as he could stand to gain some weight, but he has speed and is developing sound coverage fundamentals. Pairing him with Willis in the LB group should pay dividends for years to come.
A late second round pick isn't the end of the world, if the team knows how to use it correctly. The 49ers have shown very little reason to doubt they can.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon.
There is a nice little statement. Don't worry that we traded a top 5 pick, we have the 30th pick!
I get what you are saying about drafting late 1st round talent, but if we still had our original pick we would be able to trade it for 2 1st round picks or a 1st,2nd and a 1st in 09.
In retrospect wouldn't it have been wiser to trade our 2nd and a 4th to move up to the start of the 2nd round and grab staley?
by enut21 on Nov 13, 2007 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight = 20/20
I don't see what the issue is. The 49ers picked up a tackle that could probably become a franchise LT in a year or two at a significantly cheaper cost than a top 5 pick. The did this basically by trading up from the second round in one year and trading down the first in the next.
Even if they could have gotten Ugoh, I don't see very much wrong with trading up to get Staley. It seems like a lot of people are more hung up on the fact the Patriots are getting the pick than the 49ers gave it up in exchange for a (significantly) lower one.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan vs. Smith
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keown/071112
"And somewhere, lost amid the white noise of the myth-making and myth-killing machine, someone might make a footnote of the fact that nobody ever came close to putting Smith in a position to succeed."
I agree with this column 100%... I really like Nolan and think he's a good guy and I like what he stands for, but as a coach this season he's simply lost.
Bill Walsh was a fantastic coach because he looked at his players and developed a system that would play to their strengths. Montana didn't have a strong arm and couldn't scramble from the pocket, so he put him in short drops and took advantage of his phenomenal touch on short crossing routes. Then, when that short pass system (WCO) was established, he continued to draft players who would fit into that system. With Alex Smith, Nolan has been trying to force a square to fit inside a circle like a stubborn 2-year-old.
by jaytierney on Nov 13, 2007 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
My take
When Smith was drafted, who was the offensive coordinator? Mike McCarthy. Smith was drafted with the WCO in mind. Nolan was hoping McCarthy, who was a protege of Holmgren (if I'm not mistaken) would develop Smith. Sadly enough, Green Bay knew McCarthy's ability as well, and picked him to be their next head coach.
The WCO is a very hard system to understand. It is probably even more difficult to teach. With that in mind, there probably wasn't any great options for Nolan to continue the WCO that offseason he hired Norv. Norv also had a system that worked, and one that worked with the 49ers "current" personnel. He had Gore, who had a world of potential and was ready to break out. He had a very solid offensive line, the anchor of which was newly acquired Larry Allen. Norv's run to set up the deep pass system worked for Smith. Smith even liked it more. Smith's passes to Antonio Bryant were often things of beauty, even the deep ones.
The problem is, like McCarthy, Norv fled as soon as he could as well. Nolan had very little options this past offseason to hire a replacement. So here's the dilemma: do you hire Hostler and get him to teach the WCO (which I think he's more comfortable with), or do you force him to follow Turner's floorplan? Maybe Nolan deemed Hostler unable to TEACH the WCO, thus forcing him into the Turner system.
No matter which way you carve the turkey, Hostler is a VERY large chunk of why the team has struggled. Of that slice of turkey, Hostler accounts for the actual meat part of it, and Nolan is just the fat and the skin (or those hard cartilage things in the drumsticks). Hopefully Nolan looks outside to find a new OC at season's end. Maybe Norv could come back, "burned bridges be damned!"
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On another note
You'll notice he has solid mechanics and his throws are extremely accurate, and they also don't have him making 7-step drops. Meyer puts him back in the shotgun with a spread offense and takes advantage of his great ability to read the field. Clearly, he has the natural ability, he just needs a good NFL mentor (paging Steve Young) and a scheme that plays to his strengths. We can draft another QB and put him in the same shitty system, but no matter who he is he'll be a bust too.
by jaytierney on Nov 13, 2007 10:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
RE: Smith
We also know, for a very fact, that he's not an accurate passer and he struggles in the red zone. As far as I'm concerned, those are the only reasons to be worried about Alex, and they are absolutely legitimate, fear inducing reasons. But all these other reasons being bandied about hold very little water considering the mitigating circumstances.
The most atrocious problems this offense has all have to do with coaching and depth. The OC and the position coaches are sorely lacking. And a lot of that has to do with Turner's last minute coaching job. We're laying down in the bed he made for us, unfortunately. But then look at the positions on offense. RB - no depth, though probably the most well balanced position we have on offense. WR - our depth consists of Gilmore and a rookie who has barely practiced all year. TE - I might give you this one if I thought Delanie Walker was making a difference. OL - More than half of our O-Line is guys who have been in the league less than two years, and other two spots are a guy with a sore leg and a guy who can look around and say "in my day, we didn't use these fancy helmets". QB - our depth is Trent Dilfer.
If ANY SINGLE STARTER gets hurt in this mi, we're screwed. And guess what: starters GET hurt. Every year a starter or two will get hurt. And that's why you need depth, so scab the wound until they return. We don't have any scabs worth anything. When even one guy gets hurt we bleed freely.
And that has to do with the fact that we've been rebuilding this team for less than two years (don't kid me, year one was a COMPLETE deconstruction, after which the rebuild truly began), and most of that time has been spent on defense.
But it is a SYSTEMWIDE failing. Not an ALEX SMITH failing. We don't have the warm bodies or the coaches to be anything but an awful offense in this league. If everybody is completely healthy for one game, we might be decent, but if not we can't compensate both on the field and in the booth.
This is not the offseason of FIRE SMITH, or even IMO the offseason of FIRE NOLAN. It is the offseason of balls to walls offensive rebuilding. The defense is practically there now, so give them a rest. Focus on offense. Get a bona-fide receiver. Spare no expense on the o-line. Bring in competition at EVERY position, including QB. And spare no expense on the coaches.
These are things that Nolan can do, and I believe the only reasons he hasn't done it to this point are 1) Norv's bullshit job, and 2) focusing on defense over a short year and half period worth of rebuilding. If he doesn't do it in the offseason, I'll probably be done with him.
But I'm giving him the offseason. I still think the rebuild is going to plan. I don't like the snags, but the general direction is still the right direction. They just need to switch it up a couple of gears on offense this offseason.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2007 11:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Time
If Norv had stayed this year, maybe the offense may have taken off? The pieces were theoretically all there. Football isn't played on paper, though. The offensive line imploded. The WRs are REALLY under-performing. Overall execution is just bad. Naturally, this can be blamed on the players, but some of it is also on coaches. Hostler may be a good QB coach, we don't know how the workings of the assistants are. Norv and Hostler together may have been a good tandem. Either way, Nolan needs help running the offense. He needs someone that can step in and make Nolan trust him, much in the way Norv did.
As for acquiring talent, I'd say the 49ers have done a pretty good job so far. It's a good thing they aren't chasing after free agent they see. Their draft picks have also been fairly solid even though they've had a few misses. Every team is going to have misses, and for the 49ers, they're very fortunate the misses have come on late picks (minus Brandon Williams, I think).
I think you're basically saying what Braekneck and I have been saying for the last month or two. It's hard to blame it all on Nolan right now. If he decides to stick with Hostler without considering outside options, however, then calling for his head may be completely justified.
I still have loads of faith in Nolan. He has the ability to get his guys to rally. It takes a miracle to get your defense to support a sorry offense like the one the 49ers have. The defense continues to play all the way through the 4th quarter, 27-0 be damned. I have little doubt that if Nolan knew how to run an offense, that he would relieve Hostler of his duties (much like he did to Billy Davis the past two years). I just hope he looks outside this offseason for a "second coach" type that can run the offense for him.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WTF
by GoninerZ21 on Nov 13, 2007 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quinn, Singletary, etc.
As for Singletary, why are people so high on him? Is it because the media pumps him up? As late as this past off-season, he wasn't even ready to be a head coach. He got shredded by teams because he didn't even prepare a list of assistants he would have wanted to hire to work under him. What has he done to earn all of the good will he has? Oh yeah, he's a HOFer. Great players don't always necessarily make great coaches. I'm not knocking Singletary before he even gets out of the gates, but let him prove something before you give him a free pass while hammering everyone else. He is the assistant head coach for crying out loud. The team is almost as much his responsibility as it is Nolan's, that's why Nolan didn't think defensive coordinator would be a promotion for Singletary.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hooray for Brady Quinn haters!
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2007 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Browns
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I aboslutely agree
Just because I think he's a lazy brat with an ego 1000X the size of his talent who failed to make the necessary progress in his senior year to convince anybody that he can handle the mental jump to the Pros doesn't change the fact that he pretty undeniably possesses most of the tools (specifically physical tools) that all good NFL QBs start with.
It was a good pick by the Browns, for sure. And they had one hell of a draft. I just don't see Quinn doing much with his tools at the NFL level.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2007 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which part?
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying
by methodrampage on Nov 13, 2007 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But what do I know?
by methodrampage on Nov 13, 2007 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The following has yet to be determined
by methodrampage on Nov 13, 2007 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Prospects
Maybe my lack of college football experience (watching the games, that is) is affecting me here, as I haven't honestly seen the guy play. But then again, I haven't seen many of the NFL's rookies play in college. When that many scouting reports sees a player in a particular light, I tend to accept that it is at least partially true (even if it may not be).
Then again, NFL teams must have saw something to allow him to drop that far. It's not like the draft this past year was very deep in potential first rounders. Looking back, would you say the 2005 first round quarterbacks have more potential than last year's?
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
'05 vs. '07
So you're asking me to compare Smith, Rodgers and Campbell to Russell and Quinn? That's a tough one. At this moment in time I'd rank Russell above Smith. We don't know much about Rodgers but I'd probably take Campbell and Rodgers over Quinn.
Quinn isn't any better than the QBs taken in the 2nd and 3rd rounds of last years draft. I definately would prefer Kolb, Beck, Stanton and Edwards over Quinn especially considering their relative price compared to Quinn.
by methodrampage on Nov 13, 2007 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This makes sense.
by sfgfan on Nov 13, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The movement
by jtoj on Nov 13, 2007 4:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Something I found
"Hostler is not fit for OC work. I think the telltale is with Alex Smith. Jaws was pointing out his poor mechanics on his lower body while throwing the ball. Plain and simple, that's lack of coaching. It's something that should be fixable, something fixable over a few weeks time for that matter and yet, there's no improvement. It tells me that Hostler doesn't pay attention to the details of what's going on."
by jtoj on Nov 13, 2007 10:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
As I pointed out previously...
As I mentioned previously, there is very little chance Alex is throwing pain-free. It is also a very slim possibility that his shoulder is 100%, physically. Basically, it's totally plausible his front leg thing is a compensation, to allow more force/strength in his throws, as right now his shoulder isn't doing it.
I mean think about it, if it was a mechanic issue he's had all along, it's something Turner should have fixed. It's something McCarthy should have fixed. Up until recent weeks (since the injury, basically) there has been little made of his mechanics. This is especially true in his throwing mechanics (as people have always made a comment or two about his footwork).
Basically, I think his mechanics are an injury compensation thing. Until that injury heals, it'd be difficult for Smith to "naturally" fall back into the bad mechanics, no matter how much he is lectured on it.
by sfgfan on Nov 14, 2007 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
by jaytierney on Nov 14, 2007 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coaches
I know Nolan thinks he's hurt, and maybe Nolan and Smith came up with some kind of a compromise. We'll never know for sure, but maybe Nolan told Smith he could continue for a few weeks and if he doesn't improve, he HAS to sit.
In my own opinion, an injured Alex Smith still gives the team a better chance to win than Trent Dilfer or Shaun Hill. Maybe I'm just too high on the kid, but it's how I feel.
by sfgfan on Nov 14, 2007 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
by jaytierney on Nov 14, 2007 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying and believing.
He's not going to admit that his QB has a problem, as defenses will continue to tee off on Gore even further (as if they aren't already). Nolan is very PC and he runs a very tight ship. He basically controls what information the media understands, that is why you don't get very many in-depth interviews with any assistants. He limits the he-said/she-said game by trying to channel everything through him.
by sfgfan on Nov 14, 2007 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I've never heard him say anything to the media that he probably didn't have a meeting about beforehand, followed by an hour of memorizing lines.
But I can't blame a guy who's not good with the media to want to be very careful about what he feeds the media. It's a little frustrating as fans because we want somebody with charisma and a slick tongue (Walsh, anybody?), but unfortunately not everybody is a good public speaker.
by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very well said.
What happens in front of the media, or what the media portrays will never make the coach. I happen to think he's very charismatic, but he's just very tight-lipped at the same time. He knows what to say to make people believe, but he chooses what he wants to say very carefully.
by sfgfan on Nov 14, 2007 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Serious question
I mean, he didn't do a half bad job with the Cards, but he had a pretty good run in Minnesota and he's a card carrying member of the BW coaching tree... I think it's a perfectly logical move and maybe he has the fire to throw our team into gear?
by LA49er on Nov 14, 2007 8:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Green
He also constructed one of the worst offensive lines in history, but went ahead and pulled in a #1 QB and lured in an overpriced RB. You can have all the weapons you want but you leave the offensive line behind?
Even in Minnesota, they were a pass-first offense. The offensive line wasn't great, and the defense was TERRIBLE. I kind of lump him in together with Mooch, in that they both would be better off served as OC's, but not head coaches. I would REALLY prefer Mooch over Green, though.
by sfgfan on Nov 14, 2007 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
Breakdowns this abundant you can't pin on one aspect of offense, at this point it is a coaching issue, which we all agree on.
If it's your OC, I'm not ready to give Nolan another year to try out a new OC. I think it's wiser to put an OC as head coach, and let the defensive coordinators and Mike Singletary keep running the defense like they have been (If MS stays, that is)
by LA49er on Nov 14, 2007 10:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thats the thing.
It's so funny how so many fans have sold out on Nolan in a matter of less than a year. Not that long ago, everyone was following Jonas Jennings and Larry Allen in the "Rollin' with Nolan" wagon. Now, after the team has hit a speed bump in what could be considered halfway through the second year of the actual rebuild, everyone is ready to dump him.
Nolan's resume is far from complete, but just judging on offseason moves, ability to fleece, and how fast he's turned the OVERALL STATE (front office, football operations, coaches, and players on the whole) of this franchise around, I would take him over Dennis Green as a HEAD COACH any day.
I'm almost willing to guarantee that if Dennis Green took over as head coach, the team would STILL lose. The Cardinals under Green were considered "sleepers" for so many years, never to even take the stand. They had talent on both sides of the ball, with a defense that could have been a top 15 or top 10 defense in the league. Minnesota, with so much offensive fire-power never became an elite team because he couldn't construct a defense.
The problem with the team isn't Mike Nolan, at least not even a large chunk of it. He was dealt a sorry list of options for offensive coordinator this team, and coincidentally, that's the side of the ball that has struggled. In the past two years, when Billy Davis would faulter, Nolan didn't hesitate to take over the reins on defense and the defense would improve. He just needs a competent (let alone good) offensive coordinator. I'd say with all he's done, he's earned, AT THE VERY LEAST, another year to find a new OC and establish some competency (let alone stability) there.
by sfgfan on Nov 14, 2007 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Desperate times call for desperate measures, and at this point I'm of the opinion this is a desperate time. Nolan is a better manager than a coach, and this depleted team badly needs a coach. All the strategy in the world won't help if the guys aren't attacking the games with vigor and enthusiasm. For that matter, all the raw talent in the world won't help for the same reason.
I think coach Nolan deserves a group of guys that are strong mentally and self motivated, which is exactly what we lack and its the invisible ceiling we keep hitting.
Earlier in the season, Nolan hit on this point and said champions play like champions because they've been there and they know what it takes, it's a certain demeanor they carry with them. This team doesn't have that, and for all his strengths, I don't think coach Nolan is the one who can lead them to that demeanor.
by LA49er on Nov 14, 2007 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're wrong.
I think Nolan has done a pretty good job of making lemonade out of lemons. The speed bump wasn't just a small speed bump. It affected a large chunk of the team. Of course it'll derail the season if you have no offensive coordinator, that's why teams have them.
If you're looking for a reason to believe Nolan has done a good job of motivating his players, just look at the defense. Pretty much since week one, it could have been very easy for the defensive players to all stand up and point their collective fingers at the offense for why the 49ers are losing. Instead, you have guys saying things along the lines of "we need to generate more turnovers," "we need to score some points," "we need to keep their players in check more."
by sfgfan on Nov 14, 2007 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I think you are right
by jfainsf49 on Nov 14, 2007 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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