Franklin (and the 3-4) go down?

by Call It The Throw on Aug 6, 2007 5:05 PM PDT Comment 35 comments

Looks like Aubrayo Franklin injured his knee.

http://mvn.com/nfl-49ers/2007/08/06/niners-franklin-hurts-knee-nolan-optimistic-of-his-return/

Apparently, Nolan does not consider the injury serious. Still, this worries me...a lot. In my opinion, no other individual player (aside from the obvious, Frank Gore) is more important to the 2007 Niners than Aubrayo Franklin. We have built a potentially strong defense, but it will only work as Nolan has conceptualized it...as a 3-4. If Franklin is injured, who takes his place in the all important nose tackle slot?

Shudder...

Again, Nolan says that he doesn't believe the injury is serious, but this is one injury the Niners can't afford.

Thoughts?

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could be worse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2962811

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2963179

Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.

by Nosetackle Supreme on Aug 6, 2007 5:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

MCL Sprain

he'll miss the preseason, but be back by the opener. It's a long season and, as is the case with Gore, it's better to miss the preseason games that usually don't mean shit, than the regular season.

Unfortunately, because Franklin is supposed be such a big part of our defense, it'll take more time for the unit to gel, though hopefully, not that long after the season starts, and Franklin doesn't play that difficult a position (though extremely important to the 3-4).

Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.

by Nosetackle Supreme on Aug 6, 2007 11:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

link

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=661336

Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.

by Nosetackle Supreme on Aug 6, 2007 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

grrr

Too bad we didn't draft Branch....

just sayin'

by enut21 on Aug 7, 2007 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

where?

where would we get branch, he went early second, so our second round pick is no good, no way you take him at 12, and we traded in front of the ravens to get staley (ravens were really high on him)

so where should we have taken branch?

by Vote4Gore on Aug 7, 2007 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who knows?

It's too bad we didn't take MICHAEL BUSH, or Paul Soliai or Calvin Johnson.

by methodrampage on Aug 7, 2007 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

calvin johnson?????

how in gods name could we have gotten calvin johnson, the lions wanted a ton, so did the raiders, paul solai wouldnt be ready to start for this team, and michael bush wouldnt be worth a 3rd round pick, you dont draft a back up running back in the third round unless the current one is in his twilight, and gore isnt

michael bush would have been a bad choice in the third round, and we couldnt get him in the fourth

by Vote4Gore on Aug 7, 2007 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bush

I don't want to bring the tiring pre-draft (and during the draft) discussion on Bush. The guy was a frickin' first round talent until he broke his tibia (which is the same bone Bryant Young broke, IIRC). Barring any Garrison Hearst travesty, the guy should have no lingering effects from breaking that bone.

I think any team that would have taken him mid-to-late second or anywhere after would have gotten themselves a steal. I guess we'll never know, as he'll just ROT in the city across the Bay now.

by sfgfan on Aug 7, 2007 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soliai

And the person we chose before him will be ready to start? Please. Any fourth round pick is primarily meant to be a backup, barring any lucky draw. He would have been a lot more useful to this team than Moore will be this season.

Think about it. Even if Franklin wasn't hurt, Soliai was the next closest thing to an NT in the draft outside of Branch. Soliai would have easily surpassed Sopoaga on the depth chart based on size and contract status alone. The guy is supposedly quick with his feet and strong to boot. He sounds like Sopoaga, except he has a reputation of accepting dirty work while Sopoaga is more of an attacker (like Anthony Adams).

Moore, on the other hand, will be lucky if he plays anywhere other than special teams this year. With guys like Lawson, Banta-Cain, Haralson, and Green already on the roster, adding Moore was a little redundant. Couple that with the fact that Brandon Moore will more than likely be playing one of the pass-rushing ends in a base nickel defense, and it takes away more opportunities for guys down the OLB depth chart.

by sfgfan on Aug 7, 2007 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Johnson /sarcism

I felt mentioning Johnson was as absurd as saying it's too bad we didn't draft Branch.

As far as Bush goes you sure are dead wrong.

you dont draft a back up running back in the third round unless the current one is in his twilight

Ah, why? In all of your football genius where did you come up with this one?

Gore may not be in his twilight but his injury history still has to be considered a concern (multiple knee and shoulder surgeries). I feel it would have been wise to back to him up with Bush rather than drafting McDonald and the 97th pick barely qualifies as a 3rd round pick.

Let's get back to this no back up running backs in the 3rd round thing. Let's look at the running backs taken in the 1st-3rd rounds this past year.

1st Round Lynch and Peterson were both drafted to be starters sooner than later.

2nd Round Jackson was drafted to be a starter. You've got me so far. Kenny Irons, I wouldn't really consider Rudi Johnson to be in his twilight. Did Tennessee really draft Chris Henry expecting him to start over their second round draft pick from a year ago, you know the guy that scored more touchdowns than Reggie Bush?

3rd Round Wolffe, is former first round pick Cedric Benson in his twilight? You tell me. Booker, there's is no way you're going to convince me that Ronnie Brown is past his prime. Lastly Tony Hunt, Westbrook looked pretty capable last year but I guess he is getting a little old.

So recapping, st least 3 of the 8 RB drafted in the top 3 rounds in this past draft were drafted to be primarily backups. Bush is a far better talent than any RB that was drafted outside of the first round. He was worth that 97th pick. McDonald could have slid to us in the 4th and if he didn't I would have perferred Soliai over Moore as 6'4" 344lbs DT seem pretty hard to come by.

by methodrampage on Aug 7, 2007 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

bush

actually in the second round, chris henry was drafted to start of lendale white because white is out shape and they lost henry, kenny irons was drafted to play because they wanted to lighten the load on johnson and felt that chris perry wasnt getting it done in practice (that was on draft day)

and quite a few people, like mel kiper, said booker wasnt a good pick for the phins and they didnt need him, but that brown is more of a 3rd down and spread out guy and they wanted another runner

Wolffe is going to also do kick returns with hester and play third down back

tony hunt was taken because westbrook has a little injury history and is starting to get up in age

we dont need bush to be a third down back because we have robinson who is still learning the position and gore for the first two downs

by Vote4Gore on Aug 7, 2007 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

RBBC

What you don't understand is that Bush would not be a back-up or a 3rd down back, he'd be another dynamic option for the offense while also providing the Niners with a legitimate backup for Gore.

I'm not sure if you've been watching much football outside of the 49ers but the RBBC is so hot right now. If we had taken Bush instead of McDonald we'd adding an impact player who presence wouldn't likely be matched by anyone drafted outside of the 1st round.

Do we really need Gore to rush for 1700 yards a year or could we keep him to 1200 and let a late 3rd round selection pick up another 800 yards?

If you don't understand that Bush wouldn't soley be a backup this conversation is pointless. But would you rather have a combo of Gore and Hicks or Poris and Betts or McAllister and Bush or Taylor and Peterson? A Gore/Bush backfield would not only rival the previous mentioned tandums but would be likely to blow them away.

by methodrampage on Aug 7, 2007 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i understand that

but then why did this team both taking Michael Robinson last year, he was taken to be that second runner to come in and relieve gore and play 3rd downs

i think its way to early to give up on him, he has only played running back for one year, and he has shown he has big play ability, given his athleticism, i think he has a ton of potential and could prove to be a very good pickup in the 4th round last year

if robinson does nothing for this team, i will admit that i am wrong, but for now i feel that robinson and hill is better than robinson and bush

by Vote4Gore on Aug 7, 2007 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Laughable

Bush has infinately more talent and potential than Robinson ever will. You don't justify passing on a talent like Bush because you took a QB that you think can play RB in the 4th round the year prior. Robinson will never even be able to hold Bush's jock.

by methodrampage on Aug 7, 2007 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

nolan saw something

robinson hasnt gotten much playing time yet, why dont we wait and see how he does, but i dont believe that you waste a pick on a guy where you just drafted for the year before? why did we take vernon davis instead of matt leinhart, alex smith didnt play well his first year either, why didnt we take marshawn lynch this year, because we already had gore, taking bush would have been a bad choice because you draft people in the first 3 rounds to be starters, and bush wouldnt start, whereas jason hill has a shot, that was a bigger need

by Vote4Gore on Aug 7, 2007 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously are you serious?

It's becoming painfully obvious that you don't get it. We wouldn't have needed to use Hill's pick on Bush we could have use McDonald's pick.

And if you can't see the difference between taking a first round talent in the 3rd round to possibly replace a 4th round flier and taking another quaterback in the first round to replace the 1st pick of the prior draft or drafting another running back in the 1st round you're totally hopeless.

Besides the cap implications of drafting of these nonsenscial scenarios you've proposed there no way a 4th round pick being replace by a 3rd pick is the same as back to back 1st round QB selections.

McDonalds not going to be a starter this year and Bush would be may not be a "starter" but he'd see the field more than McDonald in this year and would provide more of an impact in the future.

You keep going off on this first 3 round bullshit and I've already proved that people don't use there first 3 picks on starters, unless you consider a 3rd running back a starter which if you do you could consider Bush a starter as he'd see the field more than any 3rd down back in the league.

by methodrampage on Aug 7, 2007 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

mcdonald

actually if franklin isnt ready by the regular season, mcdonald would be the starter, if he can beat out sopagoa in the preseason (which is likely)

the first round picks were an extreme example but the idea is the same, you draft guys on the first day to have an impact on your team, and i dont see bush making an immediate impact, he wouldnt be ready by the regular season, and his attitude is terrible, if you watched the interview on draft day with him, he acted like he should have been the number 1 pick and that the world is out to get him, reminds me of some number 81 that played for this team and the eagles

i am not saying robinson is going to work out, but i think it is way to early to give up on him

and the teams that used the third rounders on backups, notice something about them THEY ARE ALL PLAYOFF TEAMS, the bears made it to the super bowl, cincy had an off year but are agreed to be a playoff team this year, and some say miami has a shot at the wild card with their defense

the niners at this point are not a guaranteed playoff team, we all like to think they are but we arent, this team has the potential to go 9-7 and make the playoffs, but they could just as well go 7-9 (and be better than last year) and if ur a team that can go 7-9, you get as many players that will start for you in the draft as possible, and mcdonald could be a starter next year or this year if franklin doesnt work out

by Vote4Gore on Aug 7, 2007 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where do you get this stuff?

McDonald is a DE not a DT. So his playing time will have little to do with Franklin. You're posts are totally incoeherent. Are you pulling this stuff out of your ass?

You say these teams are all playoff teams and we're just as much of a playoff team as the Dolphins. WTF are you talking about. Nobody at this point is a guaranteed playoff team we haven't even played a game yet, nobody has clinched shit yet. Bush's attitude is fine, so he's confindent and dissapointed he didn't get drafted where a talent like him should have. I don't see McDonald making an immediate impact. Bush will be a starter for the Raiders next year and I'll be sure to bring this up when McDonald fails to be anything but a world beater.

Lastly, not try and grasp this, McDonald and Franklin DO NOT play the same position.

by methodrampage on Aug 7, 2007 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus

McDonald probably would have slid to our 4th round pick which would have left us without Jay Moore which means Haralson and Green would probably both make the roster and I'd be perfectly fine with that.

by methodrampage on Aug 7, 2007 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

mcdonald is listed as a dt

both the niners official roster i recieved at training camp and yahoo sports list mcdonald as a DT

3 34 (97) Ray McDonald * DT Florida (Compensatory Selection)

by Vote4Gore on Aug 7, 2007 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

der der it's a 3-4

And this pretty much sums up your football knowledge, or lack there of. He played DT in college, duh. And I suppose that means Jay Moore is going to be playing DE for us this year, huh.

How many 280lbs starting DT do you know of that play in a 4-3 defense? Now how many 280lbs DT in a 3-4? None. McDonald is not big enough enough to play a 3-4 DT, Franklin on the other hand weighs 334lbs. Go check the 49ers depth chart or even Fooches front page article on the 53 man roster both will have McDonald listed as a DE.

See what happens, and I'll try to keep this simple, is in the 3-4 typically you're DT (or NT) needs to be bigger than your standard 4-3 DT because you've only got 1 DT. Therefore you're DE and OLB also get a little bigger than your standard 4-3 DE and OLB. So guys that played DT in college, if drafted by a team that uses a 3-4, may find themselves playing DE in the pros (see Ray McDonald) and guys that played DE in college may find themselves playing OLB (see Jay Moore).

by methodrampage on Aug 7, 2007 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

who would help us more right now?

so mcdonald is undersized, can michael bush help our 3-4 in any way? no

can mcdonald? yes?

so in terms of value for the franklin injury, mcdonald is more valuable, just because ur listed as a de that means your forbidden from playing dt ever again?

for this injury, which is what this topic is about, mcdonald is more valuable

by Vote4Gore on Aug 8, 2007 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Valuable... how?

At NT in the base 3-4, the 49ers are working with Sopoaga and Cohen. McDonald's size can't even sniff theirs.

Of course if you're a DE in a 4-3 you can still play DT from time to time. B.Y. did it all the time, but he did it because he had another DT next to him, like Dana Stubblefield (for example). The 49ers don't plan on playing a 4-3. McDonald, two or three-gapping on the nose at 280 pounds is a joke.

In four down-lineman sets (base nickel or dime), Fields and Sopoaga will probably get the nod inside, with Cohen and even B.Y. stepping in on occassion. Eventually Franklin will take Sopoaga's place and the depth chart gets pushed down in that sense.

McDonald is a guy the team doesn't need, really. There was so much versatility on the line as it stood that he was unnecessary. Soliai would have had more value (if we're talking about the sense of replacing Franklin), even, at late third than McDonald.

by sfgfan on Aug 8, 2007 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

even if we took him

if we took michael bush, he wouldnt even play until week 6 at the earliest

Michael Bush isn't ready to come off the training camp/PUP list, says Raiders coach Lane Kiffin.
Bush may not be in the team's plans for the start of the season and could stay on PUP through the first six weeks. Derrick Burgess (hernia) is closer.

thats from the oakland tribune

mcdonald has a chance to show us what he can do in the preseason, we have no idea if michael bush is fully recovered from his injury and both surgeries

by Vote4Gore on Aug 8, 2007 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Robinson

I'm one of the biggest Robinson supporters around, you can really just ask anyone around here or poke around in the archives. Where I think his value is, is as an H-Back (FB/TE hybrid) or a halfback on third downs. His experience at QB makes me believe he has the ability to read blitzes and such, making him valuable on third downs. His athleticism, versatility, "size" (as he plays bigger than he is), and hard-nose mentality at a "usually overlooked" position (TE/FB) would create tons of mismatches.

I know Robinson has some running ability, and that he has potential. I'm sure he's definitely got a higher ceiling than Derek Loville, Terry Kirby, and quite a few other 49ers backup running backs in recent history. I really hope the guy sticks around for a while.

However, when you come across a unique talent, one that was first round material before a freak injury (that shouldn't have any lasting effects), you don't pass up on him. Bush is huge, but doesn't run like a big man. He's pretty quick but also runs powerfully. He knows how to read and hit holes.

Honestly, if you ask anyone, who would help this team more, a DE like Ray McDonald or a RB like Michael Bush, what do you think the answer will be? Given Gore's injury history, you'd think that a RB who can lessen his workload is the more vital piece of the puzzle.

Do you honestly think McDonald would ever become a starter? Nolan loves Fields at RE as it stands, so that side is pretty much locked for at least a couple of years. The one opportunity he'll get is if B.Y. retires this year and the 49ers fail to draft a DE in the first or second round.

I think everyone here understands the idea of value of your draft picks very well. Your use of Marshawn Lynch to justify not picking Bush makes little to no sense. Of course you're not going to draft a first rounder to split carries with your starting running back. You'd be allocating way too much money (and sacrificing "usual" production) for a platoon player. However, taking a third round compensatory pick to select Bush (or even an early third rounder for that matter) does no such thing. Third rounders make nothing in comparison to a first rounder. You also sacrifice nothing if you're taking a previously thought-of first rounder in the third round in terms of production.

It's really simple, really.

by sfgfan on Aug 8, 2007 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

look at the 49ers draft history

pretty much all of the 49ers day one picks under mike nolan have been starters

2005: 1st round: Alex smith, i dont need to explain that
2nd round: David Baas, supposed to start but we signed larry allen, he will start when allen is gone
3rd Round: Frank Gore, yeah
3rd Round: Adam Snyder, intended to be a starter but ended up in the dog house

2006:1st round: Vernon Davis
1st round: Manny Lawson
3rd Round: Brandon Williams, starts at returner for us this year and if it wasnt for bringing jackson would likely be the slot WR

notice something about all of them, they all start or will start in the near future, michael bush would never start for this team, you use your day one picks to get starters when you arent a shoe in playoff team, this is not a shoe in playoff team

by Vote4Gore on Aug 8, 2007 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rebuilding

You use your first day picks for starters when you need starters. The team is set at almost all of the starting positions. The ones that aren't set are only in that position because there is equal talent across the board. The 49ers, while not guaranteed a playoff spot, were in perfect position to take the best player available.

Tell me who they selected day one this year that will be a starter in the near future outside of the two first round picks?

Jason Hill? Battle was recently signed to an extension. Jackson still has three years on his contract. Lelie has two. Granted, he may pass Lelie, but there is no way you'll convince me that he'll for sure pass Battle and Jackson on the depth chart.

McDonald? As I previously said, the only way he'll sniff the starting DE spot is if B.Y. retires at the end of the season and the 49ers didn't draft a DE in the 1st or 2nd round next year.

As for the previous years' 3rd rounders:
Gore was a well-scouted back. He was first round potential that dropped that far. Its the same position that Bush was in this past draft.

Snyder is not in the dog house. His versatility led Nolan to keep him as a backup, as he could backup four of the five spots on the line. When Larry Allen retires, he'll be a starter, sure, but 3 years after the fact.

Brandon Williams wouldn't have been a slot receiver. Nolan thought so much of him that he brought Lelie and THEN Jackson. If he was going to be the slot guy, then why would Nolan upgrade? Because he felt he had to.

Basically, there is no way you can compare this team to any of the teams of the previous two to four years. There is a lot more talent on this team than there was before. Competition now is for backup spots and the LAST spots on the roster, and not so much starting spots anymore. To pass on a first round talent with no known character flaw in the third round makes little sense in general, and it makes even less sense when you have no discernable depth at RB. It makes even less sense to take a DE, a position where you had PLENTY of depth instead.

by sfgfan on Aug 8, 2007 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

theres a reason he fell

bush might be a first round talent but there is a reason he fell the the second day, and it wasnt just the leg, scouts are smart enough to realize that and someone would take him in the late second early third if that was the case, also he did have some character issues, he and brian brohm had issues at Louisville

besides he is now with the raiders, he can break his leg again behind that terrible offensive line, get waived and we could claim him, but it terms of the draft, i think the niners organization has a better idea of who to take the most people

by Vote4Gore on Aug 8, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Injuries

Bush fell because people made a big deal about the injury. People treated it like he tore his ACL or something.

As for his character issues, where did you find this stuff. Every time I've read anything on him, he was mentioned as a team-leader (and captain, even). He made a conversion to RB as a freshman (from being a highly recruited/touted prep-QB), I think, to help his team. If thats bad character, what the heck is good character.

by sfgfan on Aug 8, 2007 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just give up

it's hopeless. He doesn't listen to reason and contradicts himself in almost every reply.

Oh yeah Brandon Williams is a starter as a kick returner, seriuosly.

by methodrampage on Aug 8, 2007 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

how do i contradict myself

when have i contradicted myself, just because i'm not on the michael bush bandwagon i dont listen to reason?

williams is starting at kick returner and punt returner this year, just because they arent starting roles doesnt me he doesnt contribute, michael bush wouldnt contribute that much this year

by Vote4Gore on Aug 8, 2007 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bandwagon

This has nothing to do with a "Michael Bush" bandwagon. Even those who didn't support Bush, could at least support the idea that the team needed a "true" nosetackle, and skipped on the remaining one. Not only did they skip on it, they took a player at a position where depth was solid as it stood.

I don't know if you contradict yourself, per se, but you do shoot up quite a few inaccuracies and you tend to shy away from questions within our own argument. For example, where did you find the character issues on Bush? Or how do you see Hill or McDonald being starters now or in the near future? Or how is a kick returner, on a rebuilding team, and important position, let alone a valuable "starting" position to where you take a third rounder for it?

by sfgfan on Aug 8, 2007 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

bandwagon

yes the team needed a true nosetackle, and they did skip on soliai, but its a 4th rounder, maybe now that franklin is hurt it was a bad idea, but the team felt good with franklin and sopagoa, and i dont think we have depth at DE, BY doesnt have that many years left, he can still play but hes up there in age, and douglas isnt a long term guy, we have oliver and that was kinda it

I can see hill beating out lelie for the 3rd WR spot and if he plays well, which he has the talent to in the nfl, he could pass battle and be the number 2 receiver. and williams was intended to be a starter at some point, he has been disappointing but he has still contributed in other ways, such as returns

go find the old interview on cbs sportsline with michael bush, hes a bit of a hot head, thats not a make or break issue though, i'm just saying that there is a reason so many teams passed on him, if it was an injury that he can be fully recovered from, someone would have taken him earlier, i believe theres something doctors or scouts saw and made him drop to day 2

by Vote4Gore on Aug 8, 2007 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously Dude

This is tiring. I should have clarified, you either contradict yourself or you're incredibly mis-informed in most of your posts. You contradicted youself saying that everybody who drafted a 3rd down RB in the 3rd round was a playoff team. You included the Bengals and the Dolphins on that list both of which didn't make the playoffs last year. You claim Brandon Williams is a starter because he returns punts and kicks and touches the ball the 36 times a season. That's 2.25 touches a game. I've never heard of a special teamer be called a starter before, but whatever. Plus he isn't even the "starting" kick returner, that would be Hicks who had 57 kick returns last year (compared to Williams' 16 kick returns). I will give you that Williams is the "starting" punt returner for all 22 punts he returned last year. You think Hilton had an awesome year for the Saints last year, he had neither as he failed to record a catch for the Jets last year. You think McDonald is a DT for the 49ers he's a DE, ask anybody. Look on the Niners website. You think Michael Bush has attitude problems and prior to you mentioning it I don't recall anything of the sort. You've said that teams only draft immediate starters in the 1st-3rd rounds which is inherently untrue, for numerous reasons. 3 of the Niners 4 picks in the first 3 rounds probably won't be close to starting this year.

Michael Bush even if he doesn't play until the 6th game of the season would still get more than 36 touches in the remaining 10 games. So basically your saying that Bush would have had less of an impact this year, I won't even get into next year well he's totally healthy, than punt returner Brandon Williams, Jason Hill who is currently listed as our #7-8 WR and Ray McDonald who until recently wasn't sure if he'd even be able to play this year? You're wrong on all accounts.

by methodrampage on Aug 8, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you...

... on the first two. I would have taken Bush with the pick that the team used on Ray McDonald OR Jason Hill and STILL considered it a steal. I've kind of warmed up to Jay Moore, but at the time I would have taken Soliai over him in an instant.

by sfgfan on Aug 7, 2007 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs