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Eagles 40 - 49ers 26: Worst coached 4th quarter ever?

I really don't even know what to say.  The 49ers had a gigantic momentum shift at the end of the first half with a blocked field goal returned for a touchdown.  The 3rd quarter saw the 49ers put up 10 more points to take a 26-17 lead.  Things seemed well in hand as the 49ers were rolling.

Then the fourth quarter happened.  The 49ers managed one first down in the fourth quarter (the Morgan reception immediately preceding the next pick-6 INT).  The 4th quarter saw the Eagles score 23 points thanks in large part to starting field position on the 49ers 38, their own 49, 49ers 7 and 49ers 20.  That came via shanked punts, INTs and general crappy offense.

I want to do more insightful analysis but I'm too baffled by the hideous coaching.  I think my biggest problem is with the lack of Frank Gore when the team still had the lead.  However, there is plenty more to infuriate you.  A close second for me would be the two challenges Mike Nolan elected to take.  I don't think I've ever seen somebody challenge a field goal before.  Throw in yet another poor use of timeouts and it's just pure insanity.

While certain aspects of the game were certainly impressive, nothing can wash out the taste of what might be the most poorly coached quarter EVER. 

I really don't feel like wasting my time with analysis right now.  This coaching staff doesn't deserve it.  Rather, I'll just leave you with shlecko's graphic from the end of the game.  I think it's the most fitting.

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Not make it so.

Instead,

Make it go… away.

by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2008 4:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 12, 2008 4:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

is that

little Mikey Nolan Jr.

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Oct 12, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish.

MURS for President!!!!!!!

by jtoj on Oct 12, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe the losses aren’t a bad thing…the more we lose, the more likely it’ll be he gets FIRED! Oh wait, we’re the 49ers, we don’t work that way.

by baybruin415 on Oct 12, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that is awesome

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by sancho8297 on Oct 16, 2008 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

once again, nolan’s game management skills, or lack thereof, screwed the niners again today. His inability to be the defensive guru he was stated to be, screwed the niners again today. His inability to bring in quality free agents screwed the niners again today. His inability to draft impact players, screwed the niners again today. The season is lost. What are we left with? JTO “i’m a mike martz turnover machine,” and a defense that can’t stop anyone. I am hoping that the niners fire nolan tomorrow and place singletary or martz in power. what a complete waste of 3 and and 3/8’s seasons.
 by the way. what did jeff garcia do today? he went out and won, like he always has. the niners should have given anything and everything for him the minute gruden was benching him. now we have the inevitable 22 win season of the warriors to look forward to. What a perfect time for the sharks (go sharks) to be the only good team in the bay. They look great. Now there’s a team that nows how to get stuff done. John York should be taking notes.

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 4:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Warriors

Warriors will be a much better team then 22 wins. They will end the season around 500 maybe a few games under. Nolan has built a decent team. He just doesn’t know how to game plan or manage a game. I too hope he gets fired asap. But I also want Martz fired. At certain times today he called a good game. First he doesn’t call any screens now he called too many. There is way too much movement on offense before the snap. Caused a bunch of false starts today. Once again there was no defensive pressure. McNabb had all day to throw. Mcnabb has proven time and time again if you pressure him all day he will crack and make mistakes. When you allow a QB all day to throw he will find a way to complete passes. Nolan has to be the worst coach I have ever seen at managing a game. A play early in the game he should have challenged he doesn’t. So he decides to challenge plays he shouldn’t. One of them wasn’t even a play he should be allowed to challenge. It’s Nolans job to know what the challenge rules are. He needs to be fired Monday morning. Hire Singeltary to be interim head coach. After we finish a another dreadful season fire Mike Martz as well. Maybe you get lucky and Holmgren or Cower will be stupid enough to work the Yorks. The 2nd worst owners in the NFL. Worst owner in the NFL goes to our team across the bay. The very pitiful and pathetic Oakland Raiders. Only bright spot for the 49ers this season is they are better than the Radiers but thats not saying much. Any of the top 5 teams in college are better than the Raiders.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 12, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

umm… the warriors are in the amazing west. you think that a team led by steven jackson can go up against the lakers, mavericks, blazers, suns, rockets, jazz, etc… and win??? we have no idea how monte ellis will be once he comes back. warriors are doomed.

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

West

Are you forgetting the Mavs are not that good. They will be fighting to make the playoffs. Suns are on a downside also. With improvements from younger guys which is a real possibility and the warriors have a much deeper team this year. They will be an ok team. They won’t make playoffs but around 35-40 wins is a real possibility. With a healthy Monta this would be a pplayoff team. W/o him they will struggle but they won’t be a terrible team. There are still atleast 3-4 teams worse than the warriors in the west.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 12, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey man, i hope you are correct… i just think that the warriors are cursed. 22 wins, i’m calling it.

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

22 wins

is a ridiculous prediction. They’re way better than that. Maggette, Jackson, Biedrins, Harrington, Turiaf, Azubuike, and Ellis when he comes back is a pretty solid lineup that will compete.

by Number22Drew on Oct 12, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellis

Ellis is a completely unknown quantity at the moment. he might never be the same. he had a major injury to his ankle, and a player like him needs 110% health in the ankle area.

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

regardless

even without ellis for the whole season, this team is better than a 22 win team

by Number22Drew on Oct 12, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll give them 43 wins

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 12, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm also a Warrior fan

but, damn were not going nowhere this season. Action Jackson is going to get his 20 points, but will be traded by midseason since we all he is sorry ass leader to starts with. I gave them 35 wins.

by warriorfan4life on Oct 13, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jax

I don’t see Jax getting traded this year. He is talking extension with Rowell. Why talk extension if you want to trade him. He has been a good leader for the Warriors. His attitude has been good for the Warriors. I know his past isn’t good but he has been a model citizen with the warriors. Plus he won’t become a big ticket trading chip untill next year. Thats w/o an extension that is. A solid veteren in the last year of his deal is a big trade chip. So that would be next year. I said around 35-40 wins. I look at this a a mini rebuild year. I look for next year to really contend for the playoffs.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 13, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4th quarter drive summary

Keep in mind we started with the ball following a huge INT in the red zone

3&out
3&out
INT
FUMBLE
INT
GAME OVER

by albertoleecho on Oct 12, 2008 4:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

JTO is another mike martz turnover machine. Thats the only consistent factor amongst martz QB’s.

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leads the league in interceptions, unless I’m mistaken.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yea

negative 7 total yards

-7!!!!!!!! in 6 drives!

and 3 turnovers

the single worst offensive performance for 1 quarter in the history of football

nevermind the terrible defense

5-11 season, here we come

by albertoleecho on Oct 12, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHY?

We have the same conversation about incompetent Mike Nolan every week! WHY is he still here?!

by baybruin415 on Oct 12, 2008 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel bad for the players.

They need to take some credit for the loses, however it’s tough to feel fully competent with those coaches ‘leading’ the team.

"We'd like to think that tickets will be hard to come by." Bill Walsh

by TripTheNinja on Oct 12, 2008 4:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

knee jerk pissed off reaction

Nolan sucks. Paraag Marathe sucks even more. Egregious non challenge followed by 2 egregious challenges. What the fuck?

JTO is not a good quarterback. Let’s face it. He looked awful today. Yes he made some nice plays. That does not make him a good quarterback. I won’t call for him to be benched because Shaun Hill is not a good QB either.

The defense is not holding up their end of the bargain. Get some damn stops.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Oct 12, 2008 5:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I liked the announcers talking about how his youth was causing all these mistakes. I’m trying to think of a good comp for a guy who started so late and still had the developmental curve of a 23 year old. Let me give it a look.

Doug Flutie’s first full season as a starter: Age 36, 20 TDs, 11 INTs, 2711 yards. That was actually the best QB Rating of his entire career.

Kurt Warner’s first full season as a starter: Age 28, 41 TDs, 13 INTs, 4353 yards. Holy jesus I forgot how good of a year he had….

Jeff Garcia’s first full season as a starter: Age 29, 11 TDs. 11 INTs, 2544 yards. Oh… well… nevermind… that wasn’t a particularly good year. Of course, JTO is going to throw more INTs than that by next Monday, but still. That’s a good example of an older player who struggled at first and then really put it together (as much as I hate him).

But it does seem to me that the normal is that by the time a guy is this close to 30, he is more or less already what he’s going to be. Garcia is a kind of encouraging example, but Warner is a pretty remarkably discouraging example. I can’t think of anybody outside of those 3.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you hate Jeff Garcia?

Why? He was awesome.

And his struggles in his first season had a lot more to do with the team as a whole (as well as the “hey, you’re not Steve Young”-factor) than with his actual play. He had some good games, but it wasn’t yet his offense.

Also: Dude! Jeff Garcia was awesome =(

by shlecko on Oct 12, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia

Garcia is hardly an awesome QB. He was/is a decent QB. Never going to be a super bowl caliber QB. He was never going to lead the niners back to the Super Bowl. Plus it looked like his career was heading down hill when the Niners released him. I see JT improving his game slightly. But he will never be a good starting QB. The niners will need to draft a QB in the draft in April. So far there looks like there is some good QB’s in College. Mostly in the Big 12 conference.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 12, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

never said "is"

He had some great seasons as a 49er. And who cares if he wasn’t a Super Bowl caliber QB? Is that a must for you to like anyone? Do you dislike Dan Marino because he never won the big one?

Garcia started late, but he had some monster years statistically, and he led this team to some really great seasons. And I mean led. There was no Trent Dilfer, I’m-just-here-to-not-screw-things-up stuff….Garcia helped make the 49ers a playoff team for a couple seasons, and you’ve got to give it up to him for that.

And drawing comparisons to JTO is just silly. Jeff Garcia is/was/will go down as a much better NFL QB than JTO. There are no pro bowls in O’Sullivan’s future, and it doesn’t even look like there will be any winning seasons down the road for him – if there are any seasons at ALL after this one. Unlike this guy, Garcia was “Our Guy” for a good while.

by shlecko on Oct 13, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia

No I never did like Dan Marino. He was never able to win the big game. People will always remember that. Back in the Garcia days w/ the niners we were fresh off of Steve Young. So we as fans expected more from him. Did he have good season with the niners? yes he did. But He wasn’t going to win a super bowl. Is he better That JT. Oh hell yes he is. I never compared the two. There is no comparison. Like is said JT will never be a good starting QB. Garcia was at one a good QB. Just not a great one. We were all used to having a great QB. Going from Montana to Young we all got spoiled.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 13, 2008 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate Jeff Garcia for no good or fair reasons. He bothered me to no end while he was here. I just don’t like him. Like I said, he was a good player.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Replacements?

Fooch, can we start a discussion about our best coaching, quarterback, nose guard, o-line, d-line candidates leading into next season? Maybe someone in the organization will pay attention to the financial contributors/fans of this team that we love.

"We'd like to think that tickets will be hard to come by." Bill Walsh

by TripTheNinja on Oct 12, 2008 5:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

this was the worst-coached game ever. I can remember back to Pete McCully, too.

Just a couple of comments.

1. JTO is not a great quarterback but he didn’t lose this. The offense looked good for a stretch there. The quick passes and running game was beating the Eagles defense. The Eagles adjusted. The Niners had no answers to the Eagles’ adjustments. When the Eagles changed from pressure blitzes to a three-man rush the Niners lost it. The screens and underneath stuff were killed by man coverage. That’s on Martz. If I thought that Hill could do better I’d call for a change from JTO, but I think it would just get worse. Those two wins last season were fool’s gold.

2. I think we can all agree now. The “big sub” is more like “big suck”. Even in the game we won (I’m not counting the Detroit game) against Seattle, the BS didn’t really stop the Seahawks. There are two reasons:
   2a.) The scheme sucks.
   3b.) The personnel doesn’t cut it.

The D-line still isn’t very good. Maybe we’ll finish low enough to get a good interior D-lineman in the draft next year, for the next coach.

After Hostler’s O last year I could live with the very flawed Martz offense. But the defense just does not cut it. How many times this season have we seen the DBs playing way too far off receivers? I would like to see QBs’ overall completion percentage against the Niners versus other teams.

Except to see if the defensive coaches would do better without Nolan around, there isn’t much reason to change the coaching until the end of the year. On the other hand, if the Yorks wait until the end of the year, maybe they’ll get talked out of doing the right thing.

by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2008 5:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How many times this season have we seen the DBs playing way too far off receivers?

uh every play

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Oct 12, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, JTO has turned the ball over 2 or 3 times in every loss. He has a huge part in this loss.

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

When you are playing from behind you throw interceptions, especially in a Martz offense.There were eight guys dropping back into coverage. And when your receivers are running long patterns and don’t get separation you eventually get hit and knocked around and fumble too.

Like I’ve said, JTO isn’t a great quarterback. But S. Hill isn’t going to cure this team’s ills. Hill is slower-moving and can’t scramble as well, has a weaker arm, is a less accurate thrower, and doesn’t have much experience in the Martz offense. He came in third behind Smith in training camp, and Smith had a broken shoulder.

Should the Niners be looking for another quarterback for next season? Sure. And Hill may very well get to play this year if the pass protection doesn’t get any better. But more than another quarterback the Niners need a new head coach.

by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

niners need jeff garcia and a new head coach, how about that?

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JT, Hill . . .

It’s sad that we’re grasping for these straws. Who knows how Alex would’ve turned out with average coaching and management, but now there’s nothing. This whole organization needs to be cleaned out, from the owners to the guys on the field. In fact, I think the guys on the field are the least of the problem. The culture of losing has set in, and it starts at the top. Very sad. JTO is pretty awful nonetheless, and yet again he won’t take responsibility for any of his errors while behaving petulantly in front of the press. Class act.

We're talkin' about practice!

by sfwarriorcvg on Oct 12, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was JTO acting like a jerk, or Nolan?

I’d had it with Nolan last year, after he publicly threw Smith under the bus. I think it’s time that Nolan take his millions and leave.

Maybe Mr. York can have a press conference and fire Nolan for cause.

by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

a lot of his turnovers have come late, when we were already in desperation mode.

The New Orleans game being an exception, of course. Redzone picks for the loss.

by shlecko on Oct 12, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The interceptions came in the fourth quarter

when O’Sullivan should have been handing the ball to Gore. Remember that one series, three straight passes. Jeez.

by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea i remember that

worst series ever

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Oct 13, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the headphone:

Paraag: “Hey, where’s my change for that hotdog?”

Nolan: “Did you say ‘challenge’?”

by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2008 5:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone watched the movie, 'Buffallo 66'?

I’m going to be that crazy fan, only it will be watching the 3rd quarter of this game over and over hoping that my team will still win.

"We'd like to think that tickets will be hard to come by." Bill Walsh

by TripTheNinja on Oct 12, 2008 5:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

it's time for a 1/4 back switch

Shaun Hill should be considered to replace the inept JT NOW! He did it last season by replacing the inept Alex Smith and did very well…do you remember? I thought for sure that he would start the season… the JT experiment isn’t working anymore… looks like he’s losing more confidence in every game… it’s time for Shaun Hill to step in and for Nolan to hit the road! Let Martz take over the helm!

by braddahman on Oct 12, 2008 5:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

O'Sullivan vs. Hill

Does it matter that JTO was making his 6th career start? It’s true that he’s been around for a while, but so was Shaun Hill before making his first career start last season.

In 3 appearances last season (the first real appearances of his career), Hill was 54-for-79 (68.4%) for 501 yards, 5 TDs and 1 interception.

JTO’s first 3 appearances this year: 50-for-75 (66.67%) for 705 yards, 3 TDs and 1 interception.

Hill’s passer rating was 101.3, not sure what JTO’s was but game to game they were pretty close (Hill: 106.9, 105.8, 83.9; JTO: 80.2, 106.4, 123.3).

Small sample size of course, but is it really worth jerking out O’Sullivan now?

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by Fooch on Oct 12, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

could we have accurately judged alex smith after 6 starts? yes. Its time we do the same thig to JTO. He is a turn over machine and will continue to hurt us as much as he helps us. We don’t really have any other options this year (unless griese gets healthy and the niners can buy garcia from the bucs) but we need a new guy for the future.

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

could we have accurately judged alex smith after 6 starts? yes.

Uh. What? No.
And wtf.

Smith’s problem wasn’t that he sucked. We expected that in his first 6 starts. Smiths problem was that he never got any better, and that’s something that takes a lot more than 6 games to see.

by shlecko on Oct 12, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

guys like bigben, romo, manning… they performed well right off the bat. If you don’t perform well to start out with (guys like eli and brees being exceptions), you’re probably not going to succeed. Do you really think you couldn’t have judged guys like grossman, leaf, harrington accurately? Do you really think michael vick, jamarcus russel or vince young will ever be more than subpar passers who can run? there is nothing i see in jamarcus that makes me think he will ever be sucessful. QB’s either perform or they don’t, with very few exceptions to be seen.

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not JTO

It’s the coaching. In the fourth quarter the Eagles were dropping eight men into coverage, and they were playing tight, unlike the Niners’ “big sub” package. For some reason Martz abandoned the run and couldn’t find anything in the passing game. That end around was ridiculous. It’s a big risk, low reward at that point of the game. It may not have made any difference since McNabb and company were going through the big sub like a hot knife through butter, but Martz has to own a large part of the fourth quarter collapse.

If anyone thinks that Hill would do better, I’ll accept your opinion, but I don’t see it. Last year the offense was stripped down to minimize long passes because Hill’s arm isn’t strong enough to throw deep accurately. This year he couldn’t beat out the guy with the busted shoulder for second-string. I think he was a mirage. If they switch quarterbacks, which I don’t think they will without an injury, I really hope Hill will do well, but I don’t see it.

Anyway, the team is screwed until The Narcissist is fired.

by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Romo sat on the bench for four years before ever touching a gameball.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2008 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

QB's

Are you forgetting one thing about how Big Ben Romo and Manning had weapons around them. Big Ben and Romo had good offensive lines and offensive weapons around them. They came into teams that were already good. Manning didn’t have a good team but he got decent offensive line play. Having a good offensive line and some weapons to throw to helps a young QB out allot. Alex Smith never had good offensive line play and never had any good receivers to throw to. He was set up to fail. There isn’t a QB out there who could have succeeded with 4 OC’s in 4 years, poor offensive line play, and poor receivers. Montana and Young always had good receivers and a good offensive line. Look at Peyton. He has a good o-line and good receivers every year. You can make do w/o good receivers if you have a good o-line. Look at Drew Brees. But if you don’t have either one then your going to have Alex Smith type numbers.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 12, 2008 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the stupidest shit I’ve ever read.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 13, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

first of all

How can you just dismiss Eli and Drew Brees? Brees is the best QB in the NFL right now (Brady being hurt, and Peyton being…balls), and he’s not going to get any worse. Eli was teetering on bust before he picked it up and took his team to the Super Bowl.

Even Vick looked great in his last pro season. And it’s way too soon to call it for Russel or Vince Young.

Do I think I could have misjudged Grossman, Leaf or Harrington? Absolutely. And you’d be crazy to say otherwise. The reason those names are as shudder-inducing as they are is because they fooled so many pro scouts and coaches. They looked like sure things, and people continued to believe that they could be for long after they showed otherwise.

Look, this isn’t a fairy tale league. Not all good-to-great NFL QB comes into this league and throws for 35 scores in their first season as a starter. And a lot of the guys that DO have that much success in their first year go on to have some pretty miserable do-nothing careers.

by shlecko on Oct 13, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brees

Nobody ever said Brees wasn’t good. All that was said was he took time to become a good QB. Same with ELI. Most QB’s take a while to be good. I will say most QB’s don’t do well right off the bat. QB is a very difficult to learn. It takes time to learn. Green Bay did a great job with Rogers letting him learn under Farvre for 3 years. And Vick never looked great. Was a he great running QB? Yes he was. Did he make some exciting runs? Yes he did. Was he ever a great QB? No he wasn’t. He never looked great. Look at his sats year by rear. His best QB rating was 81.6 which is hardly great that was in 2002. 81.6 rating was 18th in the NFL that year. Completion % of 54.9 which was 25th in the league. Like I said look at his stats. Pretty piss poor for a QB. Making Sport Center every Sunday for running the Ball doesn’t mean he had a great year. Running the ball well doesn’t make a good QB. It is too early to call it on Russel but the fact he is on the Raiders doesn’t help him any. Chances are he will be a bust. Vince Young is another great rushing QB. But he is a terrible passing QB. I don’t see him being a good QB. His numbers are terrible. I’m sorry but Somebody fucked up on Ryan Leaf. Somebody should have realized he had a terrible attitude. He might have good physical tools for a QB but there is so much more than physical tools for a QB. They should have been able to see that he was a fucking head case.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 13, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Block of text x_x

Anyway, yeah:

All that was said was he took time to become a good QB.

yeah, I said that, because TedRamey seems to think that QBs are either awesome or terrible – and can be judged as such after 6 starts.

And about Vick: you seem to be confusing the word “Quarterback” with the idea of a “Pure Passer”. The latter was something that Vick never was, and perhaps may have never become. But “Quarterback” is simply a position on the football field – and Vick was a guy who could take control of a game all by himself.

You can’t just say that because he didn’t have a completion percentage over 60% that he was awful – the guy ran for over a thousand yards in his last year and created god-knows-how many plays on his own. His supporting cast wasn’t very good at all, so the games that they won, Vick really won for them. He moved the chains and put the ball in the endzone. Isn’t that what a QB is supposed to do? Who cares if he does it with his arm or his legs – the refs don’t, and the scoreboard sure doesn’t…so why should you?

by shlecko on Oct 15, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vick

QB’s are supposed to be passers. Yea it’s just another position on the team. But it’s also the heart of a team. It’s a position that is supposed to pass first. Yea he was a freak athelete, great runner and all that but thats not what a QB is. Sure it helps allot if a QB can run. It gives a defense something else to think and worry about. But If he can’t pass then he is one dimensional. A QB can succeed as one dimensional we have seen that many times, but only if that one demension is passing. A QB is supposed to be a leader of a team. Where did he lead the Falcons? Football is a team sport. If he moved the chains and put the ball in the end zone so well why is it since 2002 the falcons have been a top 10 team in scoring only once. They were 5th in 02 followed by 20th, 16th, 14th, and 25th. So him putting the ball in the end zone so much like you said obviously it didn’t reflect on the scoreboard. Yes I know he was injured in 03. But the other years were all on him. I realize that is small sample size to judge him in but who’s fault is that. He should be in the prime of his career worrying about winning football games instead of worrying about dropping the soap.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 15, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nah

just nah

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 13, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

8 years in the league

 . . . he’s not inexperienced. There’s a reason this is his first starting season, and the likelihood that it’s because Martz and Nolan are smart enough to see how great he is as opposed to the previous staff he’s played for is rapidly approaching zero.

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by sfwarriorcvg on Oct 12, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our brass needs polished.

Martz has never been a good HC and never will be, especially not now. He’s a washed up OC- out of his time, however better than Hostler. Neither Hill or O’Sullivan are the answer so we might as well stick with our starter. Considering the inept (and out of touch) Yorks will be in town for the somewhat distant future, I’d suggest staying a Niner fan at heart and just root for the NFC West- whomever might have the best chance. To me, it doesn’t seem that difficult to make good decisions in this league. Why do these guys make it so hard blows me away.

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by TripTheNinja on Oct 12, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I INVENTED THE PIANO KEY NECKTIE! YOU'VE DONE NOTHING!!!

Nolan is going the way of our previous inept head coach, initial optimism, followed by a complete lack of following through of expectations. JTO may have known the Martz system the best at the beginning of the season, but his performance as of late does not make up for his initial foreknowledge of this offensive system that is spotty at best. I think we keep JTO in for the Giants game, and if (when) he blows it, Hill goes in, so he’ll at least have the extra week on the bye to work with the starters and “learn the system”. Nolan can’t experiment with a failing QB during a season where so much is on the line for him career wise. Drafting a qb is not the answer, it dooms us to more years of rebuilding, we need to make a trade (monday trade deadline anyone?) or a move during the offseason.

Speaking of the Fearful Leader, another experiment failed in San Fran. Nolan has been a bigger bust than Alex Smith (THERE I SAID IT). Another failed coach. Singletary should be head coach, Martz as a coordinator works better than as a HC, and he knows that. We need help, and we need it in the form of Bill Cower. START THE CAMPAIGN NOW. He can put in the offense that centers around Gore (FINALLY taking advantage of one of the best offensive weapons IN THE LEAGUE) and put a D in that will take advantage of the skill at the LB position, and a coverage scheme that can match its outrageous payroll.

TripTheNinja, how could you? Root for the NFC West? As amazing as it is we are still in the division crown race! I can’t bring myself to root for any of those three loser teams in our division, especially when two weeks time can flip out season.

I’m so angry, frustrated, disappointing, and depressed. F*ck this game.

by ProfessorBigelow on Oct 12, 2008 6:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

initial optimism?

Was anybody optimistic when they hired Dennis Erickson?

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by Fooch on Oct 12, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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I do like that.

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by Fooch on Oct 12, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Trying to earn some quick cred

Blind devotion.

by ProfessorBigelow on Oct 12, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only when your team sucks this bad...

… is a rant necessary. This game made me join this blog…

I can make faces too
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Blind devotion.

by ProfessorBigelow on Oct 13, 2008 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's easy..

I’ve given up on my confidence for this deplorable coaching. You said it.. I really don’t believe our play calling, game-planning and ability to finish (expectations) are going to get better either. The coaches have triumphantly proven their ineptitude and it’s inexcusable. I’m just pulling for a team to raise their fist in the air and represent this division right now. I’m an optimistic realist hoping that it will eventually be the Niners. Therefore I hope it’s us but I know it won’t be under these circumstances. And it’s also not fair to put Singletary in a situation where he can’t succeed. We’re basically screwed for a little while.

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by TripTheNinja on Oct 12, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

.. this was in response to ProfessorBigelow. I responded to his comment but for some reason it showed up down here.

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by TripTheNinja on Oct 12, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

order of comments

It orders them by when the response to the main one is, which is why it showed up down a little bit.

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by Fooch on Oct 12, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

…if anyone will “raise their fist” and represent the West, this division has kind of just fallen into the seahawks laps the past few years because the niners, birds and rams suck something awful. The cards are good, but will fall apart because of a lack of defense (Romo gift-wrapped the game with idiot turnovers, or so I’m told, I was too busy screaming at the San Francisco 4-and-12ers)

But does the Cower move make sense to anyone? NFL coaches with little to no experience have not worked out well for us, and Cower has a winning attitude, proven experience, and has gone through adversity to bring his team to the promised land. Let me know what you think please

Blind devotion.

by ProfessorBigelow on Oct 12, 2008 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inability to maintain intensity

that seems to be the Nolan Niners biggest problem. Mooch could get 4 big quarters, as well as seifert and walsh. the last two guys can’t do anything close to that. The niners had 1 really good qtr (the 3rd) today. Other than that, they looked flat all day long and ever other game has featured the same story. thats a huge sign that nolan needs to go. Start the singletary chants!

by TedRamey on Oct 12, 2008 6:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Couple thoughts

First, I really do think that the 49ers are better than their record shows. You guys have a team with some real playmakers and a QB that’s figuring this NFL out.

I agree about the coaching though. For Nolan to make those two stupid challenges that were never going to be overturned, but not make the challenge on the long Hank Baskett catch that he clearly dropped was insane. That catch led to the Eagles first TD and it was dropped when he hit the ground as clear as day. The FG was never going to be overturned and the Desean Jackson catch looked clearly in bounds.

Second, I was dumbfounded/elated by Mike Martz in the 4th quarter. I think he got greedy and basically tried to be too smart for his own good. He came into this game with a perfect offensive game plan against the Eagles and O’Sullivan executed it perfectly. Those quick screens to the RB and TE as well as those quick slants were exactly the way to counteract the Eagles constant blitzing. Plus the run game was rolling… Yet when the 4th quarter came around it seemed like Martz abandoned the idea, which befuddled me. He won with that strategy for 3 quarters…

But overall I was really impressed with JT O’Sullivan. Frank gore is awesome.

I’m not really sure what happened on defense. It just looked the guys upfront for the Eagles started winning battles. You guys would probably know better then me…

by JasonB on Oct 12, 2008 7:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Those quick screens to the RB and TE … were exactly the way to counteract the Eagles constant blitzing

Well, in the game I was watching, there was only one successful screen play. There were maybe 2 that went for positive yardage, and several that failed miserably. Eagles were all over the screen plays today.

by shlecko on Oct 12, 2008 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

shlecko, the screens worked early on.

And for awhile mid-game the Eagle defense was getting burned with its blitzes. But their defense flipped, and Johnson started dropping everyone into coverage and still managed pressure against the Niners’ O-line with a three-man rush. Four or five men and JTO was going to get rushed or creamed.

What’s ironic is that the Eagles won by throwing what amounted to a prevent defense against a team that should have been running out the clock by handing the ball to a guy who’d already gotten a hundred yards.

by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Singletary the new niner's coach

Fellas,
How can we continue to suffer week in and week out with this staff. Our offense outsmarts itself. We have the best running back in the league and do not use him when the game counts. We have a offense coordinator who does not know how to call plays to finish off an opponent. Nobody ever talks about this piss poor defense that allows freaking 4th string WR to burn our “pro-bowl” secondary. We rely on a journeyman to lead us down to score the winning TD but he ends up giving up his par 2 TO a game.
NOLAN has to go NOW. he cannot get it done. Please let us put pressure on ownership to get him out of there. Singletary is the motivator and no non-sense guy to put a foot up these underachievers butt to win. Who is with me?

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by mississippininer on Oct 12, 2008 8:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

me

fark nolan.

MURS for President!!!!!!!

by jtoj on Oct 12, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to be the one to piss in everyone's coffee....

But Singletary has zero head coaching/coordinating experience. There’s no guarantee that he’ll make any better gametime decisions, write up any better schemes, make any better halftime adjustments, or handle his timeouts/challenges any better than Nolan.

Singletary’s only real credential is that he’s got high standards for his players and he’s got the locker room behind him. And as much as WE may talk shit about Nolan, the same compliments can be paid to him.

Just saying. I’d love to see Singletary coach someday, but here? Now? In this situation? We might need someone a little more…proven. And Singletary himself may need a team a little more ready.

by shlecko on Oct 12, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Singletary

Well we know Nolan is a terrible head coach. Fire him now and Have Singletary has interim HC. See how he does with the 2nd half of the year then decide if he is the right man for the Job.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 12, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good valid points

but it’s mid-season and you’re firing the head coach, you can pretty much call it a season right? Why not let Singletary finish off this year just to gauge what he could be capable of. In that situation I don’t think it could hurt.

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by 49erLou on Oct 13, 2008 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't stress this enough

We all KNEW that the first half of this season was going to be rough. a 2-4 record right now is not surprising. We may well end this year 7-9 or 8-8 with the games we’ve got left. Even if the coaching staff doesn’t get any better, the teams we’ll be playing WILL be getting worse. Nolan probably won’t get brought back after the season, and I’m cool with that, but dumping him now just doesn’t make sense for anyone involved.

by shlecko on Oct 13, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I don’t think that it’s actually being 2-4 that is frustrating people. It’s being 2-4 and LOOKING BAD doing it. And the fact that it is so easy to see that a lot of that is directly coming fromo bad coaching…

If we were 2-4 and looking like we thought we were going to look, I don’t think anybody would be complaining.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

its going to start looking worse. We have the giants, dolphins, arizona, dallas, buffalo, skins and jets ahead of us. all losses. we might beat st louis 1 of the two times. this is going to get ugly.

by TedRamey on Oct 13, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

Dolphins is certainly winnable at least…Miami is solid, but not great.

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by Fooch on Oct 14, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So far, this team has had trouble with any team better than “horrible”

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by groug on Oct 14, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

eh

NYG: rightful underdogs; likely loss
MIA: Winnable
ARI: Will be a shootout – winnable
DAL: Likely the most overrated team in the NFL; upset possibility
BUF: I like the Bills; likely loss
WAS: Also overrated; winnable (though it would have to be done with coaching…lulz)
NYJ: Good-not-great team; another possible upset
STL: Awful team. Even with poor coaching and mistake-filled football, we could go 2-0.

STOP MAKING ME TRY TO BE OPTIMISTIC!
It’s not me. =\

by shlecko on Oct 15, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2-4

We should have been able to beat the Pats They aren’t that good right now. Getting your ass kicked at home by the Pats and the Eagles is pretty bad. Losing by 14 points when you were up by 9 in the 4th qtr with the ball at home is fucking pathetic. Face it the Scores of the last 3 losses were much closer then they should have been. We got dominated in all 3 games. The way he is coaching is terrible. He can’t game plan a defense at all. The defense should be much better than they are. Plus his in game day management is terrible. Thats why he should be fired now.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 13, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can we continue to suffer week in and week out with this staff.

You mean the staff that Singletary is a member of?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 12, 2008 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IS HILL READY YET?!?!?!

Learn the freaking offense already HIll, your team needs you!!!!

I think I pulled my swagger muscle...

by BawLa on Oct 12, 2008 9:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is what I'd like to see.

First, fire Nolan. Then name either Martz, Manusky or Singletary as head coach. I’d probably go with Martz, not because he’s been so great but because the ship is sinking, he’s been a head coach before, and I’d like to see if there’s any reason to keep him after the season. Getting rid of Nolan will also help everyone to figure out if the stupid defensive schemes that Nolan’s so happy with are also Manusky’s and Singletary’s. I doubt it. I suspect that Manny Lawson isn’t back yet from his injury last year, but it would be nice to actually see a defense that uses him.

Changing quarterback isn’t going to make much difference this year, probably only make things worse. JTO is the best we have. Depending on who coaches next year we’ll probably have another quarterback either drafted or picked up through free agency..

The most important thing right now is to get Nolan out of the building. I think this morning I said just the opposite, but it’s clear that the season’s not going to turn around with that narcissistic dumbass at the controls.

by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2008 9:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Martz as HC? Dear god.

Even the Lions weren’t that dumb.

by TexanNiner on Oct 12, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Lions...

… offense could use Mike Martz right now, just asking Lions fans.

-- Jay T.

by jaytierney on Oct 12, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you guys think of Gibbs making a return to coach the Niners?

I think we need someone with some serious experience. This isn’t the job for a rookie head coach right now. Either , Gibbs, Cowher, or someone like him is definitely needed. Cowher would not only rally the team, he would rally the fans too. That would be a nice change for the Faithful. I don’t think Martz has earned the right to be a coach here. He brought in a good offensive scheme and that’s all it’s been.. a scheme. He’s too stubborn to adjust it for the sake of a victory. In my thoughts right now, I think a Cowher, Singletary (and a loosened up) Martz would be pretty good. With a good GM of course.

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by TripTheNinja on Oct 12, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No on Gibbs

I didn’t think Gibbs did that well on his return to the Skins. He spent to long away from the game. It has passed him By. Plus he has his racing. He is done as a football coach. I like the Idea of Cowher though. As long as he fires Martz. Holmgren would be a good choice also. I just don’t think he will be ready. I hear he wants to take a year or two off before he coaches again. Just like Cowher did. He is on his 2nd year off so he will probably be ready again.

by JFRIZZLE on Oct 12, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

no thanks

living in the past

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by 49erLou on Oct 13, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

personal opinion

but I think Martz as HC, especially here and now, would be an abhorredly awful decision.

Also, Lawson is still out with a groin injury – it’s not just the knee that’s keeping him back, now.

by shlecko on Oct 13, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few overall thoughts...

First of all, JTO did not lose this game. The coaching did. While I thought Mike Martz did a fantastic job over the first three quarters, not running Gore on first or second down after that interception was just plain crazy and I instantly knew we were going to lose this game.

Nolan. Must. Go.

And before anyone talks about making Mike Singletary head coach (as if they wouldn’t promote Mike Martz first) remember that while the 49ers are a laughing stock nowadays, there’s still a lot of pressure to be the coach of this team, so the idea of bringing in someone without experience in the NFL as a head coach is a HORRIBLE idea. The only type of person who can really turn this franchise is around is someone who carries some serious weight, so we’d better hope the Yorks make Bill Cowher or someone of his ilk an offer he can’t refuse. Maybe Brian Billick, at least he’s got a ring.

And it’s definitely time to put a box of vanilla ice cream on Nolan’s desk.

-- Jay T.

by jaytierney on Oct 12, 2008 10:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how realistic it is

But I’d be 100% cool with handing the Reigns to Bill Cowher. Sign him long term, trust him, and give him lots of power. Let him bring in his own guys, so we can have one OC to develop a QB under and see how things look in 3-4 years. We need someone to rebuild this franchise, and Cowher (who has the reputation that should allow the Yorks to be patient with him) is a guy who’s probably very well suited for the task.

by shlecko on Oct 13, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If York will stay in his current habit of throwing money at problem situations then imagine what someone like Cowher could do with that checkbook!

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by TripTheNinja on Oct 13, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious

but does anyone know what nolan’s record is for challenges?

when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??

by diehardkingsfan5 on Oct 12, 2008 11:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stat

According to Mike Sando he was 12-16 on challenges prior to last sunday’s game. He didn’t challenge last week, but throw in 0-for-2 today and he is currently 12 and 18 on challenges:

By my count, Nolan has challenged 10 plays on the road (6-4 record) and 18 at home (6-12 record) since taking over as coach of the 49ers. Jack Del Rio, with 10 more home than road challenges, is the only active coach with a larger home-road disparity since 2003. I have Dick Jauron and Nolan tied with eight more challenges issued at home than on the road. These totals are unofficial, but I check them against league totals each offseason.

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by Fooch on Oct 12, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fooch, you said this was going to be a roller coaster..

This one got me sick real fast. I puked all over myself already and it’s only a quarter of the way over. Do you think it will have an ‘up’… or is the whole thing just going down? And the Rebels fell apart too!! Can’t wait for basketball season in Vegas!!

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by TripTheNinja on Oct 12, 2008 11:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It was an awful 4th quarter

But realistically – the Niners were only in it based on the fluke FG block TD at the the end of the half.
Martz gambled trying to pass in the 4th rather than run out the clock with a short lead… but do you really expect our defense to hold? The Philly defense stepped up big when it mattered.

Time management was horrible, however.

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by zenbitz on Oct 13, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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