Mike Nolan: Vote of No-Confidence
by Fooch on Oct 20, 2008 10:31 AM PDT
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Times are certainly getting tough for Mike Nolan and the 49ers. The team has now lost four straight games and probably could have and maybe should have won at least two of them. The Seahawks come to town this Sunday a complete mess of a team. Does this make it a must-win for Mike Nolan? That has certainly become the question of the day whether you ask Maiocco, Barrows, Killion or Pro Football Weekly.
There have been anti-Nolan people going back to much of last year. However, the latest string of losses has only amplified the chatter of the fans. It's becoming harder and harder to justify NOT firing Nolan. As much of a "good guy" as he might seem to people (and I'll certainly leave that open for much argument), the team is not playing like a well-coached team.
We could easily lay the blame on Mike Martz or J.T. O'Sullivan or the play of the defense at times. Even easier, we could blame everyone's favorite whipping boy Paraag Marathe. All have played a part in the current struggles of the 49ers. However, the buck has to stop with someone, and more often than not that someone is the head coach. Obviously we could blame the owners but I actually don't blame the Yorks. They've invested plenty of money in talented players and have stayed out of the way when it comes to the on field product.
In spite of what some people think, and have certainly expressed, there is a lot of talent on this team. The team has brought in impressive talent on both sides of the ball and should be performing better than they have thus far. Sure there are holes on the roster, as is the case with most teams. However, top to bottom I think the talent on this team borders playoff-caliber.
Of course, we find ourselves as far away from a playoff spot as last year and it does not seem to be getting any better. The team makes a lot of the same mistakes week in and week out and much of it comes down to the schemes. One needs simply look at the prodigious use of the "Big Sub" even as teams were chewing up our defense week after week. When a coach does not adjust, it might just be time to adjust him out of the picture.
I think a big reason I have lost confidence in Coach Nolan is his general stubbornness. He's stubborn when it comes to refusing to adjust in game. He's stubborn when it comes to his lack of a sense of reality in his press conferences. I really like the guy but when it comes to coaching a football team, something is missing.
Maybe some guys are just meant to be defensive coordinators in this league. There's nothing wrong with that. There are only 32 defensive coordinators in this league so it's still a fine position to aspire too. However, when it comes to our team, winning comes first. They say you can tell a lot about the coach by the close games. Good coaches lead their teams to the close wins, bad coaches are the ones who lose those close wins. Right now, I have to say that Mike Nolan is a bad coach.
For the immediate future, I'd say my choice for head coach would be either Greg Manusky or Mike Singletary. If the offense can turn things around Mike Martz might be offered a head coaching position somewhere else. Even so, I see few reasons to make him an interim head coach if Nolan were fired. It wouldn't be quite as bad as going with a washed-up retread like Dennis Erickson. However, it would probably be pretty close. You more or less know what you're getting with Mike Martz as a head coach and I just can't buy into that. He's the only man who would make Nolan look like a genius with his timeouts.
If you hired Manusky, that might very well spell the end of Mike Singletary's time in San Francisco. He was never promised a head coaching job like Jason Garrett was in Dallas, but he's certainly worked his way to the top of the succession line. You don't want to promote a guy just because you might lose him and there have certainly been questions about whether he's ready yet (see the multiple times he's been passed over). Nonetheless, sometimes you just need to see what you've got. There are certainly plenty of options out there (Cowher, Holmgren, etc...), but before we go that route, shouldn't we see what a guy like Singletary can do in the short term?
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I really wanted Nolan to succeed
At the beginning I thought he was a good hire. He came in with the right attitude and seemed like a guy who would build a good team with a strong defense and instill discipline. I’ve defended him and hoped he would pull the team together. I thought the defense was good. But now I think I’m over it.
It all started with Alex Smith. Let’s face it – he was the wrong game. Maybe it should have been Rodgers, maybe Braylon, who knows, but not Smith. And that’s what’s really handicapped Nolan. Who knows what would have happened if he had made the right choice. But more and more I’m thinking that it’s not just that decision. His defense has not been very good. He doesn’t seem to adjust well in-game. He is terrible at using time-outs, and doesn’t seem to be very good at challenges. His game management is awful. I used to give him a break on those things thinking it was inexperience. The time for those excuses is over.
I like Mike Nolan. I like that he wears a suit. I like – ok I used to like other stuff about him. I wanted him to succeed. I saw the progress the last few years. I really thought he’d be doing well if he had a consistent offensive coordinator working with him. But now I’m not so sure.
As for what to do – I don’t really know. I don’t think changing coaches now is going to make this team a lot better. But it might give us a chance to give someone an audition.
Frankly I don’t get why everyone is convinced Singletary is the answer. He’s not even a coordinator. What can we judge his competency on? I’m not saying he wouldn’t be a good coach, but I just don’t see the evidence that says he will. And Manusky? Why? It seems to me like this defense is underachieving. I will say this – if the Yorks think Singletary could be the guy, then fire Nolan soon and give him half a season as interim coach to see what his game management is like and how well he can inspire players and make adjustments. Then we’ll have something to judge him on.
I’m sorry Nolan. I was rooting for you. But you can’t succeed when you draft a shitty QB #1 in the draft.
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by wjackalope on Oct 20, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Singletary
I base my opinion on going with Singletary on the idea of giving him a significant chunk of the season to show what kind of in-game coach he could be. I agree there is no proof he could be a good coach, but giving him half the season would help us know what we’ve got.
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by Fooch on Oct 20, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team is already crap
What the worst that happens if Singletary is head coach? We lose out the season? I have a sinking suspicion that we’re headed that way already. Personally, the reason I’d be okay with them making Singletary the interim HC is just simply that we wouldn’t be stuck for the long term, and he’d at least get to show what he’s capable of. It’s practically a no-lose situation.
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by JRPhillips on Oct 20, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say this – if the Yorks think Singletary could be the guy, then fire Nolan soon and give him half a season as interim coach to see what his game management is like and how well he can inspire players and make adjustments. Then we’ll have something to judge him on.
This is exactly what I was going to say. I think any long-term hire at this point wouldn’t be the best idea…I’d wait until after the season’s over to see who is available. But in the meantime, just see if Singletary is prepared to take on that role. Why not? It really couldn’t be that much worse.
That being said, this team has played a tough schedule thus far. Four of their five losses came against arguably top-7 teams in their respective leagues, and they haven’t been blown out in any of them. I’d like to see what Nolan does against Seattle next week to make any further decisions.
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by UnleashTheGore on Oct 20, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary
I was pulling for Nolan too. Overall I like the guy. He has done alot of good for the team. That said, I don’t think he is a very good head coach. He’s really been bugging me this year with his whole denial attitude and ridiculious calls he’s made thus far. I think it is time for him to go.
I would like to see Mike Singletary take over as interim head coach after Nolan is canned. I’m in no way saying I am convinced he is “the answer”, but I want to see what he can do. Who knows, the team might “get up” more for him then Mr. Denial. Then again, he could come in and make the same bone head mistakes, but what do we have to lose? It’s not looking like were a Super Bowl contender at this point anyway.
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by 49erLou on Oct 20, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I pretty much agree..
This schedule is tough but don’t forget that this is the NFL, bottom line.
Nolan is not a long term answer for his own failed creation so he needs to to hit the exit after the bye. It’s like a NASCAR team building a top 10 car. Then when race day comes, they don’t fine tune it for the track and don’t make the proper adjustments during the race. He’s built a top 10 car here and just doesn’t know what to do with it. That’s all he has been good for and he’s not going to change.
They can play it right with Singletary in the interim. Thanks to Nolan and companyy, he’s getting handed a top 10 team. Now lets see if he has the adjustments to win with it.. They can ‘audition’ him in a season that appears to be getting really close to- lost. The benefit is that he will be labeled an interim coach. He won’t lose cred if he does bad, as the expectations would not be sky-high. Therefore he would hopefully stay with the Niners and go back to what he does best until he’s really ready. If Singletary would do good for the team then it will look great for the Yorks, and the media/fans could have only wished it happened last year. Also, they will be able to gauge Manusky’s true talent for the second half of the year. At the end of the season we can have more solutions than questions if they do it this way.
If the whole thing wrecks by the end of the year then the Yorks should clean house. Look around and learn what worked for teams that recovered in similar situations and take a similar approach. Let’s get Gore and Willis a trophy when they’re ripe!
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by TripTheNinja on Oct 20, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction-
When I said ‘…after the bye’, I meant that he needs to be released Monday, Sept. 27 at 8:00 am. I hate to see anyone lose their job and I hope the best for him whenever it happens.
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by TripTheNinja on Oct 20, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just dont know
if we can say this is a team with top 10 talent. i think there’s top 10 talent in some places, but not at QB, O-Line, or D-Line
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by wjackalope on Oct 20, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe..
I always throw in a little sarcasm just for effect. We do have a pretty good team with identifiable problems. I just think that the carelessness of the game preparation, adjustments, clock management, challenges, drafting, focus (could this be flowing downhill?), and just general bad leadership are too heavy a burden to keep carrying around with no end in sight. I doubt Singletary is the saviour but he will provide more solutions. If the Rams, Falcons, and Dolphins can do it with somewhat talented personnel, I know we can with ours.
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by TripTheNinja on Oct 20, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn
Part of me thinks it would be pointless to fire him midseason, since it likely won’t turn our fortunes around. But, the other part of me thinks that he should just be fired now, since he’ll likely be fired at the end of the season anyways. I voted for “Fire him next week if they lose”, but it’s not a strong vote.
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by marcello on Oct 20, 2008 11:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you.
It’s so likely he’ll get fired at the end of the season anyway, that it’s kind of odd to wait. On the same token, it’s almost a certainty that the team isn’t going to improve if he were fired, anyway.
While the on the field product has definitely failed again this season, and has generally failed over the course of his tenure, the 49ers as a whole have become a MUCH better organization. I don’t know what that is worth to a lot of fans or the “what do you do for me on the field” world that is today, but I have a certain appreciation for it. With that in mind, is it less embarrassing for a head coach to be fired before the final season of his contract (during the offseason), since not very many coaches ever actually GO INTO their final year of their contract anyway? Or is it just as embarrassing as being fired mid-season.
Nolan (and/or maybe McCloughan) have done a lot for this organization and I just don’t think he deserves all the blame for a ship that sank and couldn’t be fixed in four seasons. I’m sure there is probably someone out there that could have done a better job than Nolan has, but could ANY head coach of succeeded despite that offensive coordinator carousel?
I’m just coming off as a huge Nolan apologist, and maybe I am. I just don’t think it was all his fault. While he definitely deserves to be fired, I don’t think he’s earned a mid-season firing. As weird/silly/nonsensical as that sounds.
by sfgfan on Oct 20, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Marcello.
I started off agreeing with your very minor point and then took a tangent off into my own world. Now it sounds like I was agreeing with what you were saying and that everything I wrote afterwards parallels your thought. No intentions of putting words/thoughts into your hands/keyboard/mouth.
by sfgfan on Oct 20, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries
It didn’t come off that way, at least to me. Anyways, I happen to agree with pretty much everything you wrote.
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by marcello on Oct 20, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bye Bye and Good Luck
I wanted Nolan to work out in the beginning. Despite good players who I liked being thrown under the bus and shipped out of town and some terrible draft picks, I appreciated Nolan’s no-nonsense, the team’s way or the highway attitude.
That being said, even if you put aside all of the organizational excuses about the Yorks, the offensive coordinators, draft picks, …to the side…and the only thing that you look at is how he coaches the game, I think that says it all – He is not a good coach.
I’m not talking about the review flags in the last two games. I am talking about clock management and game time decisions in the last four seasons and Mike Nolan’s refusal to accept any accountability for his misjudgements and mistakes. I don’t know what they do next, but Nolan needs to go.
It was hard not to think about the what ifs last night watching Jeff Garcia, but the hard truth is that Tom Brady could not be successful with this offensive line. JT isn’t the answer, but noone is until they shore that huge problem up.
by sanjosedave on Oct 20, 2008 12:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jim Haslett
Never thought I’d ever say this, but I’m so happy to see the Rams turn things around now that Jim Haslett has taken over. It plants the idea in owner’s heads that sometimes a mid-season coaching change can produce results. FIRE NOLAN now, or at least after next weekend.
I have to admit, I may end up rooting for Seattle this weekend just so it can get Nolan fired… does anyone else feel this way?
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by jaytierney on Oct 20, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
Blame it all on Nolan, and this week root for the seahawks and let the true niner fans root for ’em.
by Lottfan42 on Oct 20, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Is there a typo in there? I can’t tell if you’re being condescending or agreeable…
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by jaytierney on Oct 20, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lottery caliber talent
I have never felt compelled to post a comment on this site, but the “at least we’re better than we were” delusion that 49ers fans continue to perpetuate really isn’t helping. Go to a Raider game if you want to see what years of fandom denial looks like. This team in no way imaginable has borderline playoff-caliber talent. The secondary is much, much worse than advertised – Walt Harris suddenly looks very old and the safeties make very few plays even when they aren’t playing 35 yards back in coverage. I could have received an undergraduate degree and been well on my way to a masters for as long as this receiving corps has been subpar. But even ignoring those two units and the black hole of talent at the most important position in football, this team is below average on both lines. In the NFL, you can sometimes succeed with mediocrity on one side of the ball if the other is exceptional. This team has neither, and that always, always equals a losing record. The pass protection is horrible, and the interior of the D Line is as easy as Tara Reid at a Grey Goose mixer. Certainly the post-Nolan era should have begun this year, but it’s going to take a few years to get the talent where it needs to be.
by Roaring Back on Oct 20, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From ESPN
Looks like he’s going to be booted next week.
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by MrNFL on Oct 20, 2008 2:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That article
Also names Singletary as the replacement. I’ve always liked him, I think he could be a fine NFL head coach. I liked Nolan from the start, but he’s had his chances.
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by MrNFL on Oct 20, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God
But now that this article is out, fire Nolan now. Get Singletary head coaching experience against a lowly Seahawks team (and I use lowly very loosely) so he can be on fire the rest of the season. 11-5 here we come!!!!
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Oct 20, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
But a guy can dream
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Oct 20, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you like about Singletary...
… that’s actual fact and is any different than what you liked in Nolan originally?
by sfgfan on Oct 20, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the most part, his playing career
He was an incredible winner and leader on those Bears teams, and he played the game the right way. Very few have not only been the player he was but the man he was as well.
So far, most would agree he’s done a solid job in his coaching duties. Obviously, you never know anything for sure, and I thought Nolan would be good when they signed him. But what he’s done in his career has been very good, and there isn’t a “slam dunk” experienced head coach out there.
Just my 2 cents of course.
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by MrNFL on Oct 20, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching duties.
No one really knows what his coaching duties are. He’s a linebackers coach, is he not? If he is and he’s doing so well, why is a former first round pick not materializing? Why are none of the linebackers other than Patrick Willis really panning out? Haralson for all the raw talent he has, he hasn’t developed into a pass rusher. Why?
People are so quick to say that Nolan is failing to help his talent develop but then they’re willing to give Singletary a free pass on a mediocre linebacking group. I know that it’s a team sport and that what linebackers do is also affected by the line play and all that, but I just don’t see anything from the linebackers other than the one player who was basically perfect coming out of college.
by sfgfan on Oct 20, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
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by MrNFL on Oct 20, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Smith
The guy is just blowing hot air in a story that already has a bunch of rumors and or thoughts. Who was that source, a blog? If he polled the entire fan base right now, I’m sure that 3 of every 4 or 5 fans would say Nolan should be canned. I don’t think it would be much different in NFL front offices. Desperation spawns desperate moves. Firing Nolan would be exactly that.
by sfgfan on Oct 20, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What ?
You should pull youre head out of youre ass.
by Lottfan42 on Oct 20, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even with the firing actually happening today, I agree with sfgfan here. A 10 year old could have broken that “rumor” without a real source.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem
This must be the absolute worst offensive and defensive lines I can remember. It’s hard to blame defensive backs when the opposing quarterback can drop back, write a novel, and then throw the ball. And the defensive linemen go threw our offensive line like a hot knife threw butter. Until this mess is dealt with, all the skill position changes and coaching changes will have minimal effect.
by Danny Boy on Oct 20, 2008 2:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
through?
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by wjackalope on Oct 20, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently..
… you don’t remember that the 49ers have had shoddy offensive and defensive lines on and off for the past decade and a half.
by sfgfan on Oct 20, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People freaking amaze me...
Firing Nolan is ABSOLUTELY NOT the solution. It will only delay the solution. Unless if you could guarantee me Bill Cowher next year, I would rather keep Nolan.
We are about to go through a process of bringing in a whole barrage of Dickersons. Meanwhile, Frank gets older, Clements and J.Smith get older, we are going to just waste their prime years away. And for what? To place all of the losing blame on one person as if that was the source of our issues? Pathetic if you ask me.
The real problem is very fixable. In fact we should be one offseason away from getting this ship righted. All it takes is a QB that doesn’t turn the ball over in every single close game situation, 2 upgrades on the O-line, and 1 upgrade on the D-line. Between free agency and the draft we can easily accomplish this.
But no, we are going to hastily fire Nolan to appease the idiot fans who want anyone to take the blame for the losing.
I sincerely hope the FO has an actual FUCKING PLAN behind this move. I hope they aren’t just praying that the perfect coach will just fall in their laps. And as much as I like Singletary, he is not a head coach. He deserves to be a defensive coordinator, but until he has more experience there I wouldn’t just hand him the job. Either way, there is a good chance we are going to bring in some idiot to coach in the offseason. And then it will take 2 – 3 years to implement the new system and get the players to buy into it.
ARGHHH
I think I pulled my swagger muscle...
by BawLa on Oct 20, 2008 3:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In a rare occurence...
… I agree with BawLa. Maybe it’s not as rare as I make it sound, but I do indeed agree.
It sounds like apologizing for Nolan coming from me, but I think players deserve a lot of the blame. I don’t understand why people think this team is being under-coached or the players abilities somehow exceed the coaches’ abilities to coach. To be coached, you have to actually be “coachable,” and it’s hard to say that this bunch of players is actually that.
Nolan DOES make gametime mistakes, but none of them hurt more than the actual performance of the players. O’Sullivan can’t learn from his mistakes to save his life. Do people honestly think that Nolan and/or Martz aren’t beating him to hell for turning the ball over on such a consistent basis? If you read Martz lips as the 49ers came off the field after the INT in the endzone, he said something like “WHY.” Do people think that the coaching staff actually applauds the stupid personal foul penalty put up by the players? Or how about O’Sullivan missing a wide open WR? Or better yet, the prima donna tight end that can’t catch the damn ball that hits him right in the hands?
The coaching staff is making mistakes, yes. The coaching staff is being stubborn, yes. But the players are just as guilty at making the team look this bad.
by sfgfan on Oct 20, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All it takes is a QB that doesn’t turn the ball over in every single close game situation, 2 upgrades on the O-line, and 1 upgrade on the D-line.
I think the idea behind the move, though, is that we haven’t been able to do anything resembling that. I mean, I could have easily said the same exact sentence the last two years, and it didn’t happen either year. The inability of this FO to shore up either the offensive or the defensive line (not to mention getting a single worthwhile receiver) in 4 years has been criminal.
Now, I agree with you and sfgfan that the onus clearly doesn’t fall solely on Nolan. I’ve been one of the biggest defenders of Nolan while he’s been here. On the day of the game, the players have to play. In the offseason, Scot Mcloughlan has his own job to do. There are failures all over the place here, but Nolan is the face of that failure.
Now, I would love to see the blame get distributed evenly on a franchise level – obviously, on a fan level we’re tearing JTO a new one and (I) am tearing Martz a new one when I can – but there had to be a change. And Nolan represented the culture of these last 4 years. Even my patience was finally waining.
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by howtheyscored on Oct 20, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
o.o
The real problem is very fixable. In fact we should be one offseason away from getting this ship righted. All it takes is a QB that doesn’t turn the ball over in every single close game situation, 2 upgrades on the O-line, and 1 upgrade on the D-line. Between free agency and the draft we can easily accomplish this.
Is is? Oh. Well, then.
I see that there are at least 5 or 6 starting QBs on the open market this offseason who “don’t turn the ball over”. So that should be cake. 2 upgrades on the O-line? That wouldn’t cost us any cap money at all, I’m sure. 1 upgrade on the D-line? Yeah, that’s been easy for us in the past…should have no trouble doing it again.
/sarcasm
Armchair General Managers for the loss.
by shlecko on Oct 20, 2008 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
other
So I voted other, just because I think if they fire Nolan now or next week (the link just popped up that maybe he is gone) I want to see them make a GOOD decision on who to replace him with. If they are just going to throw some other bad candidate out there, I’d just as soon stick with Nolan for the rest of the year personally. I really don’t think Martz is the answer, period. I like Singletary, but all of you who say Nolan didn’t have the experience/know how to be a head coach – how do we know that Singletary does? Thats my quick 2 cents.
by carolina_niner on Oct 20, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong coach
I have been a 49er fan since i was about six years old, die hard to the end through the good and the bad, and sometimes things happen that make you sit back and scratch you’re head. Mike Nolan is a good coach and the niners have been better for him being there their record over the last few years may not reflect it, but they have been way more competetive. Maybe you all should look at Martz who manages to forget week to week that he has on of the best running backs in the league at his disposal. It is sickening wathching JT O’sullivan throwing to a cast of nobody receivers(, excluding Issac Bruce) Interception after interception. the group of players there now are not the right kind of players needed to run Martz offence, Frank Gore should get atleast 25 touches a game, you also might want to look in the direction of Vernon Davis ounce in awhile too. Oh to have the good ol days back, and our good ol owners.
by Lottfan42 on Oct 20, 2008 5:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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