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Chris Berman, oh how lame....

I stumbled across something that really needed to be brought out as its own post.  Naturally the football crew at ESPN had a few thoughts on the firing of Mike Nolan.  I missed it, but did find a link that points to some rather interested and heated comments by the folks of ESPN, and particularly from Chris Berman:

Berman: "Well, I'm disgusted by it . . .You know, I uh um, he's a real good defensive guy. They've never really had the right thing, the move with Martz was just 'let's put a couple of spare tires on the car and maybe like Detroit teams will start 6-2 and see where we go.' That didn't even work. They just don't, Alex Smith didn't work. There are just a lot of things that aren't right there."

According to the link, the rest of the crew then piled on because obviously none of them can think for themselves:

Cris Carter: "It's easy to see why teams lose in this league. It's easy. When you run your organization, when you treat people like this this is what you get. How do expect to win a championship when you treat people like this."

Ditka then went on to tar the current Niners ownership junta led by John York as inherited money-having ingrates without the experience or the respect to run the club. And, everyone nodded knowingly.

To sum up, Berman signed off by saying:
"Well, good for Mike Singletary for getting the opportunity, there's no question about that but, uh, I'm disgusted."

While I'm not surprised at the piling on, I still find it says something about their understanding of the 49ers.  Has Chris Carter seen the performance of this team to date?  Read a few stories about the team?  Highly doubtful.

I realize spewing some venom is good for ratings, but I just found this a little off-putting.  While ESPN remains my sports channel of choice, their programming and personality hiring choices have done a lot to try and drive me away, that's for sure.

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Berman actually likes the Niners

So I would expect him to know a little more about the team than a normal ESPN analyst, but I’m still a little perplexed by his comments. Just because you treat your employees well it doesn’t necessarily translate to a successful team. If any of these guys had really been paying attention to the 49ers, they would have noticed a pattern of terrible clock management, poor use of timeouts/challenges, and a lack of in-game adjustments. It reminds me of baseball, where the media sticks up for coaches who are nice guys from the “good ’ol boys” club.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Oct 21, 2008 12:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I get the feeling that Berman is REALLY hurting for the Yorks to do anything that resembles the quality and class of the DeBartolo’s. I do think he was overreacting, but I also think that the York’s clearly handled things poorly. Making public statements about how Nolan’s their guy, then having the GM fire him, and then saying later that they never intended for him to be their guy past the bye week, anyway, but hurried up because of an unconfirmed rumor… Whether or not it was the right move, it seems they weren’t up front with us, the media, or Nolan about it.

Re: Berman, though. I think he really wears his heart on his sleeve when it comes to the Niners. Last season when we finally got win #3, he actually carved 10 full minutes out of NFL Live (or football tonight, or whatever it’s called), by himself, just to talk about the Niners winning. 10 solid, contiguous minutes on national TV to talk about a team with 3 wins. So I think if he’s a little disgusted with the Yorks, then his heart tells him that he’s completely disgusted. And that’s why I think he overreacts.

I shouldn’t go too far, though… lest I become known as a Berman apologist. I’m already too many kinds of apologists to take on any more!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2008 3:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think...

… maybe ESPN is just a bit upset that Michael Smith got shot down by Jed York (or whomever made the comments about Nolan staying on board) yesterday only to be contradicted by the 49ers actual actions?

by sfgfan on Oct 21, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

announcers

I try to ignore most of what the announcers on any channel say. One of the few announcer I give any credibilty to is Steve Young, not only because of the obvious, but because to me he comes across as a good guy who isn’t just going to say something because Hall of Fame Coach Mike Ditka said it. I don’t know who I dislike more, the announcers on the pre/post – game shows or the ones that acctually call the games.

Isn’t Berman a Niners fan? I don’t understand why he is disgusted? Was he not disgusted with losing like the rest of us? It’s not like Nolan was tarred and feathered and sent away, he was by all accounts pretty respectully let go. I think dragging him along after the leaked rumors would have been cruel. I don’t see why it is disgusting.

Also, wouldn’t you think Ditka would be more excited to see his boy Singletary getting a shot at being a HC?

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by 49erLou on Oct 21, 2008 1:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ditka has always hated the 49ers

specifically because of some of the big scores they put up on his Bear teams in the late 80’s/early 90’s. he even vowed in a press conference to get revenge on them. that was right before he was fired. he doesn’t strike me as the kinda guy who would let go of a grudge, so I’m never surprised when he badmouths the 49ers.

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by Nosetackle Supreme on Oct 21, 2008 1:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t know that Berman was disappointed with the firing itself so much as he is disgusted with the Yorks. I get the impression from his comments that Berman is saying that making this one move is more a symbol of change than actual change. He says “a lot of things are wrong there.” Which makes me think that he feels the problems go much deeper than Nolan and just doesn’t want to watch a figurehead firing while the system itself continues to burn. He probably knows Nolan, too (if I had to guess), which never helps objective opinion.

But, I may be reading far too much into things.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2008 3:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nolan is a defensive guy and the defense, despite mass upgrades in personnel, still sucks. that has to fall right onto his shoulders. But he is also horrible with in-game management and his teams, so often, do not look like they’re ready to play. they play hard, but not smart, and the result is a sloppy game. that responsibility falls on the coaches, in my book.

That being said, I don’t really get why these ESPN jackoffs think is so “disgusting” to fire a guy in the middle of the season. It isn’t unheard of. A lot of coaches go into their jobs with grand plans and their picks and coaching decisions don’t always pan out, even if due to injuries, etc, it isn’t really their fault. But the buck stops with the coach, and he must be responsible in the end. Even SB winning coaches get canned. Ask Brian Billick.

Of course, I don’t disagree with the comments about the owners. the Yorks need to go. If the buck stops with Nolan for his team’s performance, then it really stops with the Yorks for the organization’s performance. They hired the guy.

Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.

by Nosetackle Supreme on Oct 21, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, I don’t know why everyone is so down on Martz. He has a complicated, yet proven, system that he is trying to implement on a new team mostly with guys who aren’t familiar with its concepts and lingo. JTO is the QB b/c he’s the only guy with a clue who can play QB, but he isn’t the future. He’s a stopgap. So, yes, due to the system and personnel on offense, there’s been a lot of mistakes. That doesn’t mean that in the long run, it won’t work out. From what I’ve seen, this year’s offense is a million times better than last year when we led the league in 3 and outs. Given time, I’m positive that the offense will produce.

Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.

by Nosetackle Supreme on Oct 21, 2008 1:28 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m not down on Martz because of his system. I’m down on him because he calls plays like an idiot.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 21, 2008 3:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boo Berman!

I understand that you want to have good people around and treat them well, but at a certain point you have to look at performance. Nolan was not performing. It was time. Let it go, Chris.

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by groug on Oct 21, 2008 2:00 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ridiculous = Par for the course for ESPN

Everyone knows ESPN is so full of shit now, it’s hard to remember just where they went so far of the track. For me, the moment they jumped the shark came in 2006. Before the season, they ranked very team at each skill position. The Niners were #32 in terms of RB’s, even though they were #17 in rushing the year before (on 2-14 team that was constantly behind), had a clear RB of the future (Frank Gore) emerge late in the year, averaging 5 yards a carry. Sean Salisbury specifically stated, “The 49ers have no true #1 back.”

When the year started, Gore did what was obvious he would from the previous year — dominate. So what does ESPN do? They run a segment on Frank Gore featuring Salisbury, who called him “the most underrated RB in the NFL” and chided the media for not giving him “his due respect”. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Oct 21, 2008 2:01 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As for Nolan:

It’s silly to insinuate he got a raw deal. In fact, he got the least raw deal of any 49er head coach in the 28 years since I’ve been following the team:

—In ‘87, Bill Walsh had his “President” title stripped after a tough playoff loss despite winning two Super Bowls earlier in the decade. The next year after winning the Super Bowl, he was pressured into deciding whether to retire or not so the team wouldn’t lose Seifert to the Browns. he decided to retire, only to realize later in the off-season he still wanted to coach.

—Seifert was fired because he hadn’t won a Super Bowl in 2 seasons, and because DeBartolo and Policy had fallen in love with the pretty girl across the room (Mariucci).

—Mariucci was fired because of one bad decision — kneeling down at the end of the 1st half of a playoff game at Tampa when he should’ve tried to score.

—Erickson, the worst coach in my time as a fan, was essentially lied to — he was told by Donahue the team was “going for it”, then after a disappointing first year, had to watch as the team rid itself of lots of high-priced talent, including Jeff Garcia. Erickson was not a good coach, but he was also needed some talent to work with and got none from Donahue.

Mike Nolan got all the talent he wanted, and was given plenty of time to get results. he failed. We all know how much better this team is now then when he took over, so how come they went for 4-12 in his first year to 5-11 last year and on pace to do the same this year? More talent + the same amount of wins = Fired.

The Examined Life
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Oct 21, 2008 2:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No raw deal, for sure

Just a couple comments, though…

-I always thought Seifert deserved more credit than they gave him. I think the team was struggling and needed someone to put the blame on.

-Mooch…I was not a fan of. His playcalling irritated me to no end. I was pretty happy to see him go.

-Having Garcia leave Erikson’s team was a blessing, not a curse :)

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by UnleashTheGore on Oct 21, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a raw deal in how the situation was handled.

With the information of his future firing being leaked to the media prior to the official announcement makes it a raw-ish deal. The Niners had to do it quicker than they wanted in order to avoid an Al Davis/Lane Kiffen-esque debacle. The firing wasn’t raw but the way it was handled was rather poor.

by methodrampage on Oct 21, 2008 4:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Announcers on television

I think the quality across the board is horrific. These guys seem to only do about 5 minutes of homework before the games and don’t have a clue when they’re sounding like morons in front of a national audience. The networks should do some quality control on the speech dynamics too. To me, I have to get past the the voices of Kermit the Aikman, Dan Dierdork, Gumball ‘persnicity’ Gumbell, Squeeze-box Visser, Chris Vermin, Big head Marino and the monsters, etc. etc. to even get to the actual content {take a breath} which makes it even worse!! ‘Attention- Can we have clean up on isle’s NBC, CBS, FOX and ESPN, please?’

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by TripTheNinja on Oct 21, 2008 7:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chris Berman

such a boss. One of the few guys these days on espn(him and steve young) that actually follow bay area sports and like the niners.

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by montasmob69 on Oct 21, 2008 11:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO SURPRISE!!!

Guys…most of these idiots all hate the 9ers because they all used to get killed by the 9ers when they were playing/coaching. it’s no surprise. look at all of the guys on tv. ditka, carter, collinsworth, the many offensive linemen that have gone to the booth. they all used to get there asses handed to them by our 9ers so the last couple of years they have had ammo to use because the 9ers aren’t any good. funny thing is, the most fair of all of the commentators thats done 9er games is Aikman. and shockingly he used to beat the 9ers. as for berman, retarded. the media is going to pick apart anything any team does so who cares.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 22, 2008 3:22 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

espn sucks anyways

with all of their quips and smart-ass comments all the time i have to watch espn on mute. NFL network is obviously only for football but it’s still better than espn.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 22, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NFL Network.

Funny, a lot of NFL Network’s on-air “talent” are ex-ESPN “talents.”

by sfgfan on Oct 22, 2008 3:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea but...

they don’t have the stupid quips and comments that are rampant on espn. the guys on nfl network don’t try to impress either.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 22, 2008 4:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't really have NFL Network...

… but I catch it on occasion and the Rich Eisen on NFL Network seems a lot duller than the Rich Eisen that used to cause a ruckus with Stuart Scott on ESPN. From what I’ve seen of it, NFL Network is filled with just as many talking heads who really don’t know what they’re talking about as ESPN. Apparently they just present it in a cleaner manner.

by sfgfan on Oct 22, 2008 4:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great post fooch

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 22, 2008 3:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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