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Singletary: Good for this TEAM

One of the best press conferences I've seen in a long time. And kicking VD off the field? That was number 2 to Seifert benching Steve Young during the Eagles game in 94. I think Singletary made a great statement yesterday by all of his actions including benching JTOcrappavin.

Changes:

 Singletary did not have a whole lot of time to prepare for yesterday but now i think he knows what he has to change. He started off good by putting in Hill and I'm glad he didn't wait til it was too late like last year when we had to suffer through Trent Dilcraps play far too long. It will be interesting to see what happens during the bye. Some things to look at.

-Shaun Hill being the starter from here on out

-Gore being ran like the workhorse he is

-Walt Harris and Mark Roman getting benched for guys "who want to play"

-Possible shake ups on the offensive line

-More blitzing

-Youth getting more action(doesn't mean you give up the season; it just means you have guys in "who want to play"

-Spelling Gore with Foster

-If VD is going to straighten up or not

Vernon Davis:

 For those of you like Damon Bruce who like to call for VD's head, and that he's a complete cancer and bust please read along. Vernon Davis is now being coached by someone who will not put up with any crap. Under Singletary I feel this team is headed in the right direction. If you've read Mike Silver's article yet, it shows a whole lot about Nolan. Nolan let VD get away with too much and now Singletary is the man and will not put up with it which i love. It is up to VD to learn from it and change for the better. I love VD. I think he is a great athlete and under-utilized in this offense. Give him the darn ball! Let him prove he's a bust. The good news with Vernon is that he's still very young and not set in his ways like T.O. or Buress who have been in the league far too long to ever change their poor atitudes. Davis can and I hope he will. If not, then he probably is a cancer and I say trade him. But you don't just get rid of a good player just because he has an atitude. You work with him first especially because he's young. We all have seen what he can do when he gets his hands on that ball.

Right Direction:

It was a breathe of fresh air watching Singletary rip into this team and show emotion that Nolan never did. It tells us even more about him. I hope he can mount together enough wins to keep the job because if he does I think this team is in line for a whole lot of changes next year.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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-Gore being ran like the workhorse he is

No.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 27, 2008 2:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Larry Johnson was ran like the workhorse that he was and look at him now. That is without a doubt not what we want.

by methodrampage on Oct 27, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

STOP THIS MADNESS, FOR GOD'S SAKE

It’s RUN. He was RUN. He is being RUN.

Oh, the humanity!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A sea goddess who drags down ships and drowns sailors: the wife of Aegir.

Of course!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The horse ran second"

I just thought anytime you had a horse reference in your sentence it was ran.

by methodrampage on Oct 28, 2008 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

When he RAN a great distance, his muscular stability WAS RUN into the ground.

by Viliphied on Oct 27, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

from your link

My watch has run down.

It was common knowledge that he was running around.

She cried inconsolably when her cat was run over by a car.

by Viliphied on Oct 27, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I’m stuck, I just substitute a really obvious word.

He ran. He ate.
He has run. He has eaten.

Then extrapolate: He was eaten = He was run. He is being eaten = He is being run.

Actually, I just think the whole ate/eaten example is funny.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for bringing humor to my post seriously. Some guys just get too stupid.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So now you're saying we're stupid?

You know what, buddy? I got nothing!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 27, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't assume

I didn’t say you all were being stupid. Read some of the comments. They have nothing to do with what’s being discussed.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 28, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was being facetious. That’s why I said I got nothing, more because I know you weren’t saying everyone was being stupid.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 28, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

watch it happen

if hill gets the starting job at qb(he probably will), then gore is going to get a boost n carries and very ell should. he’s the best player on the offense and should get worked. meaning foster will get more action as he spells for gore. “Just keep watching”

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

why?

We are basically out of it this year. May as well try to develop a passing game; see if Dr. Hill is actually fit to carry the jock of a 49 QB.

FIRE BRIAN SABEAN

by zenbitz on Oct 27, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually think there are some fairly interesting points that you’re making here that I want to address in more detail when I get home from work, but I want to say first that you almost lost me twice along the way:

First at the same point that you lost marcello. While I don’t think that Gore is being underused, I agree with you in a sense in that I do believe he is being misused a lot of the time. But seriously, this isn’t a change that Singletary is likely to bring. The offense is still in Martz’s hands, and by those hands go the types and number of touches that Gore gets.

Second, when you preemptively accused me/us of thinking like Damon Bruce. It’s a mistake to bite the hand of your audience by assuming their stupidity. You can’t get people to take you seriously when you dismiss them before they’ve even read what you have to say. It’s bad form.

I’ll respond thoughtfully to the actual post when I get off of work.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2008 3:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

your mistake

i said those of you like damon bruce. i didnt say youre ALL like him. tthe fact is that many fans not ALL feel that VD is a bust and a cancer. singletary stated that he wasn’t a cancer this morning. he is’nt a bust if he isn’t getting used alot. he does drop the ball on occasion but so does T.O. Throw him the ball. i was at the game and saw him get open down field several times. and you guys that have posted about running frank gore also missed the point that i made about foster. when healthy, he is great. the panthers let him go because he was proned to injury. now that he’s a backup he doesnt have to take a full load. that means that if you run it to gore evenmore so, then foster is going to come in for him and help him out. READ the whole post.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you definitely don’t talk in a condescending manner to your audience…..anyways, you didn’t make a point about Foster. You only said to run Gore into the ground, then you tried to cover your ass in the comments. Maybe you should READ your whole post.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 27, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read it again

i have in there that foster should spell gore

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because you added it after the fact.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 27, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

riiiight

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

either way

this offense has to revolve around gore. he is the best player on the offense if not, the team. run him and throw to him! and foster is a solid backup.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The offense does revolve around Gore

So, what? You’re now expecting a Martz offense to run the ball 30-35 times a game? Honestly, what’s the point of wanting that? It’s not going to happen, and thinking about it is a waste of time and just plain stupid. I want Marissa Miller to get down on her knees and service me, but I’m not going to get upset when she doesn’t do it because it’s not realistic. Use some fucking common sense.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 27, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said it!

This is a martz offense! Which means it’s not built around gore it is built on passing tha ball downfield. I don’t care who’s offense it is!!! Your best player is the guy that the offense should be built around. If it was built around Gore, then he’d be averaging over 100 yards a game rushing alone because he is that good. . And do you know what justifies me wanting that? The fact that this is not martz team. It’s singletary’s! And he has the power to tell martz to run the darn ball down the opponents throat!

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t tell if you’re insane or just dumb.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 27, 2008 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why can’t it be both?

Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Oct 27, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But if someone is insane and dumb, I usually am willing to give them a pass on their stupidity.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 27, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it’s not built around Gore, then why does he have more all purpose yards than God?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many TD's does he have?

Most of the 9ers redzone plays draw away from Frank. They go for the pass and JTO throws stupid picks

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is currently on pace for a career high in TD's.

For whatever reason Gore has never really got it done in the redzone.

by methodrampage on Oct 28, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The eagles game

That was the best example of why it’s not based around Gore. they had a 9 oint lead and elected to pass instead of run it to Gore.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s kind of like saying that pizza isn’t based around sauce and cheese because the last thing you eat is the crust.

In this scenario, to make pizza more like a football field, everybody eats the crust, and everybody eats it last. See, the crust is the red/end zone.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I only eat the crust on Round Table pizzas....

Everything else, I eat the rest and throw out the crust.
When I was a kid, I called them “pizza bones”.

off-topic, btw.

by shlecko on Oct 28, 2008 4:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The team is running through Gore

That’s why he leads the team in rushing and receptions. He is also 3rd on the team in receiveing yards. To claim that the offense isn’t be run (or is it ran) through Gore is blatantly false.

by methodrampage on Oct 28, 2008 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you fucking serious? I know you did, because before I posted I searched for the word Foster. It only showed up in the comments, like I said. You are acting like a douchebag.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 27, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

tthe fact is that many fans not ALL feel that VD is a bust and a cancer.

And the fact is that there is no evidence that these people regularly frequent the blog that you are directing your comments to. My point is that you were talking to an assumed audience. You were not talking to this audience. By talking to an assumed audience, you were assuming that we are members of that audience. I said “me/us” because I understand that your comment was not directed at me specifically. It was directed at us in general, and me by proxy. When you assume a reaction, you assume an audience. It’s bad rhetoric, and one that doesn’t encourage discerning readers to continue reading.

And as for DeShaun Foster, I said that I’d respond more thoughtfully to your actual post when I got off work. I did read your whole post. I simply didn’t respond to your whole post.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spoken like a true Damon Bruce fan! ;-)

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 27, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do think Lawson and Davis are busts.

Maybe not along the lines of an Alex Smith-esque bust but busts for their draft position none the less.

by methodrampage on Oct 27, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alex Smith...

is a bust to an extent but… a lot of it was circumstantial. Changing coordinators, prone to injury and feuding with Nolan ect. it just sucks. Manny Lawson, when healthy is great and that showed in both the giants and seahawks games.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

even VD

last year on an abysmal offense showed flashes of what he COULD be if he ever got his head in the right place.

by Viliphied on Oct 27, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Potential is what causes players to be busts.

Wihtout potential nobody would be considered a bust. It’s their potential that gets them drafted in the top 10 and if they didn’t flash their ability ever once in a great while nobody would have any hopes for them. Davis is in his 3rd year, if his head isn’t in the right place right now it more than likely it will never be.

by methodrampage on Oct 28, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have not seen Lawson be great in any game.

It’s conceivable that Smith was a bust because of the circumstances but it’s equally conceivable that he’s a flat out bust as well.

by methodrampage on Oct 28, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think many people...

… call Smith a “bust” and that it’s all his fault. A lot of people understand that he was doomed by a bunch of stuff that no one could really control (including the front office). The bottom line is, if you define a bust as a player who didn’t live up to his potential during his tenure with the team that drafted him, then Smith is by all means, a “bust.”

by sfgfan on Oct 28, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And...

This is coming from, probably, the biggest Smith apologist around.

by sfgfan on Oct 28, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

thats true. i didn’t deny that he is a bust. he just has a long way to go to get the label off of him. he’s still young but has a long way to go

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 28, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we as fans

i think we’ve grown a little impatient. especially with how bad our 9ers have been for some years now. alex smith was coming along until the injury. lawson is great when healthy. and VD has the tools to be great. these guys are still young. the jury is still out on lawson and davis. smith has along way to go to get the bust label off of his back. he has to get healthy. he’s the same age as many rookies and first year players. he still has time.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 4:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lawson != "Great"

I’m with method on this one. Lawson has never shown any “greatness” at any point, healthy or otherwise. He has shown some potential that he could somewhat replace Julian Peterson, but he hasn’t shown any kind of consistency, let alone overall performance, to let ANYONE believe that he can even be on par with Julian Peterson. And Peterson isn’t “great,” so by my logic, Lawson is not “great,” either.

by sfgfan on Oct 28, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the best press conferences I’ve seen in a long time.

This is actually the first thing in a very long time that I’ve pretty much agreed with Ralph Barbieri about. As usual, he’s obnoxious and extreme about it to a fault, but the idea is there. The press conference is nice. He’s saying things in a way that we want to hear them, but he’s still not saying anything with substance and he’s still just talking. And I’m not encouraged by talking. I’m encouraged by what he does as a coach, not as a speaker, and so far – a 21 point loss – it wasn’t all that good.

Which isn’t totally fair. He did kick VD out of the game, and he did make the change at QB. I wouldn’t say that benching JTO took balls, but it was obviously the right thing to do at the right time. And that should encourage us vaguely about his coaching sense. I will say that benching VD took balls, but I wouldn’t necessarily say that it was the right thing to do. Calling players out publically and making sweeping, visible gestures out of roster moves is a fine line to walk. On the one hand, I want to say that VD deserved it, but on the other hand I would say that it was a bit of a thoughtless move. How does this play out over time? Maybe VD shapes up. Maybe Bryant Johnson argues a call and gets benched in a fit of Singletarage. Maybe Gore jaws off on the sideline and gets taken out for three quarters. At this point, there’s really no telling how much this decision was calculated versus how much it was rash and reactionary, and there’s no telling how much either trait is symptomatic of Mike Singletary.

Clearly, changes are coming, though. And, like you say, there are many reasons to look forward to those changes.

We already know that Hill will be starting the next game. I like the decisiveness, though, again, it’s kind of an easy decision to make. We can look forward to Hill because he makes faster reads and has a quicker release. He takes advantage of the short field and converts higher percentage plays. He also protects the ball better. We won’t be getting the ball downfield, and I’m not remotely prepared to say anything for even his short range accuracy, but this is change we can look forward to.

Blitzing. We saw a little more blitzing and if that is any indication (which it might not be) we can likely look forward to more. But we should look forward to it.

The offensive line has already been shaken up a little by Singletary. I think Baas got some significant playing time over Snyder (?) in the last game already (correct me if I’m wrong), and if we assume that it can’t get any worse, then the mere fact that the OL coach is new should encourage us that things will get better.

There’s no reason to expect that Frank Gore’s role is going to change significantly. Not if you’re a betting man, anyway. I’ve talked about this. I don’t need to go on about it.

Talking about guys who “want to play” is just talking. It’s stupid. It’s blind rhetoric designed to make fans buy into an idea. I don’t buy for a second that any of these players don’t “want to play.” It’s their entire livelihood to “want to play.” If they don’t “want to play,” they wouldn’t be in the damn league to begin with. It means nothing in terms of the actual players and the actual play of the players and the actual game. Saying you want guys who “want to play” at the NFL level is just saying that you want a guy who “can play well” using fan friendly words.

I’m not sure about seeing more youth as a product of Singletary. Josh Morgan and Kentwan Balmer were going to see more time to begin with and were already seeing more time to begin with, and we were seeing some other guys get in on defense from time to time.

As for Gore and Foster, I’ll say again that I don’t see why any of us should believe that Mike Martz’s offense is going to change because Mike Singletary is the coach. Singletary names the starters, but he doesn’t make the decisions on a down by down basis. Martz is going to do was Martz is going to do, and Martz is going to do what Martz has been doing all year long, which mirrors what he’s been doing the entire time he’s had any playcalling powers in this league.

And I’m not even going to start with Vernon Davis’ ability to change his attitude or Mike Singletary having control in a way that Nolan didn’t. Davis’ attitude may or may not change. I’ll believe it when I see it. Right now Singletary’s control involves a powerful oratory and a fiery temper. A fiery temper can light fuses, and speeches only work until it’s clear that you’re still losing game after game by three touchdowns.

We have a LOT of waiting to do to make any honest statements about this team and this coach. We have reasons to be encouraged, but we shouldn’t take part so willingly in celebrating fan friendly word games and rash personell decisions.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 27, 2008 7:10 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Great input

Thanks for having the best response to this post without cussing or acting like a lunatic. I love your points. There are some differences of oppinion but that’s what makes this great. Thanks for it. I look forward to more from you.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 27, 2008 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really aren’t trying to endear yourself to the rest of the Nation, are you? I’m sure I’ve alienated more than my fair share of people on SB Nation.

But you are right. Howie, that was a great post. I do wonder though, if Singletary is more likely to sit down with Martz and at least map out general guidelines for the offense, such as more plays designed to go to the TE or even if it’s just as simple as looking at an opposing team’s defense and looking to take advantage of weaknesses from the other team. From what I can tell, Martz doesn’t seem to be a strategist as much as a pass-pass-pass kind of guy. I can’t imagine for the life of me that Sing is either, but I do wonder if perhaps they’d start looking to take advantage of mismatches in the next game. Anyway, any thoughts on that?

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Oct 27, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So THAT explains...

… the greenish skin and big eyes. You’re an alienating!

by sfgfan on Oct 28, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Changes

Just adding to your post a little bit. Being critical of Singletary’s coaching in the last game is also not very fair because he had only a regular practice week to implement any changes. That’s probably why the only major shakeup was the Baas for Snyder swap.

With the extra week (provided by the bye), I think it’s very possible that Singletary and Manusky will have a lot more time to brainstorm changes to the current defensive scheme. That may or may not include changes to personnel, but it’s very possible it does. For what it’s worth, I think Aubrayo Franklin did a good job playing DT in the 4-3 this past week, and should continue to do so.

As you mentioned, Howie, it’s VERY unlikely much will change in Martz’s offense. I understand that people want Gore to be “involved” more because he’s the only effective thing this offense has, but you can’t just run him into the ground. He’s already a league leader in all-purpose yards, so what more do people want? I think that Martz is working with a fairly decent balance. If O’Sullivan had been hitting on at least 75% of his cylinders, no one would be complaining about the run vs. pass discrepancy in Martz’ playcalling. I don’t want to blame it on one player, but O’Sullivan’s mistakes are BIG reason why this offense is where it is, and probably more so than Martz’s playcalling. Did Martz play favorites? Sure he did, but it’s worked for him in the past. You can’t fault him for trying it again.

We have a LOT of waiting to do to make any honest statements about this team and this coach.

So true.

by sfgfan on Oct 28, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but what are you going to do on offense?

I’m sorry but limiting Gore because of fear of running him into the ground is bullcrap. What are you going to do? Save him? For what? He’s the best player therefore give him 20-30 touches a game. Winning is all that matters, and Gore is the key to that. Some commented that Larry Johnson was over run and so was Alexander. Barry Sanders was given a ton of carries because he was the only talented player in a god-awful offense. Did it wear him down? No. correct me if I’m wrong but he played 9 great years. I’m not saying Gore is Barry Sanders and there are several examples that go either way, but Gore is a top player in the league so do whatever you can to give him the ball. With JTO in there they did not do that. They looked more for the pass down field and it got them in trouble. Shaun Hill will give Gore the ball more. Given, Gore is in 2nd in yardage but that doesn’t mean he’s getting the ball enough. The loss to the Eagles is a perfect example of Gore not being used enough. They stopped using him and they lost the game.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 29, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shaun Hill will give Gore the ball more.

Is this based on anything more than nothing?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 29, 2008 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanders was never run that hard. Look things up before you pass them off as fact. He averaged over 22 carries a game in a season once in his career.

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and prayed for forgiveness. - Emo Philips

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 29, 2008 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barry Sanders: Not run as much as you think.

Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.

by groug on Oct 29, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL?

Gore has a history of injuries, which already sets him behind the curve in terms of how long his career will last. He’s had major knee surgery in BOTH his knees, which are about the most important thing to a RB other than his ankles. Ask anyone over the age of thirty who has had major knee surgeries if they don’t feel it as they age. Accelerate that a few more years for a football player, especially if he gets 30 touches a game as you suggest.

Are you THAT narrow-minded and short-sighted? Save him for what? How about when winning for this team actually means something? Why run him into the ground in a lost season? What, so the can magically go 7-9 or 8-8 and miss playoffs anyway? Don’t get me wrong, winning does matter, but I can almost guarantee that even if you handed the ball to Gore 30 times a game, the 49ers would still lose. Why’s that? The offensive line sucks. The QB sucks. The WRs suck. What good will it do handing it off to Gore when the defense has 8 in the box?

As HTS points out, how do you figure Hill will give him the ball more? OH THAT’S RIGHT! SHAUN HILL CALLS THE FREAKIN PLAYS FOR THIS OFFENSE! Why didn’t I think of that?!

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

run him because the team doesn't feel it's a lost season

There are 8 games left! to the team this is not a lost season yet. I don’t think they’ll make the playoffs either. But with the team in mind, if they pound it to Gore statistically they have a better chance of winning. Look at their record when he rushes for over 100+ yards in games. And Shaun Hill will give him the ball more because as pointed out, he checks down a ton! When hill came into the game sunday Gore got almost 50 yards recieving. In 1 half!

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats

If you want to play the stats game, Gore is averaging 15.875 rush attempts per game this year. 15.75 in his career. Well behind Barry Sanders who averaged around 20.01in his career and 20.69 in his best season. Thats fact marcello. So shut your pie hole. 5 more carries per game makes a huge difference.

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve got him at 17 carries a game this year along with 4 receptions. Don’t forget that we’ve also been playing from behind for 5 straight weeks now. Anyways, 5 more carries is what, 20-25 yards? HUGE DIFFERENCE! Fewer turnovers would be the huge difference and would lead to Gore getting more precious touches.

Look at their record when he rushes for over 100+ yards in games.

What is it? This isn’t evidence since you haven’t actually said what their record is or where to find it. It doesn’t really matter anyways because your cause-effect logic is fuck-tarded backwards. When they’re winning, teams run the ball more trying to run out the clock.

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by marcello on Oct 30, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so why...
When they’re winning, teams run the ball more trying to run out the clock.

Then why did the 9ers stop running Gore in the Eagles game with a 9 point lead? and 20-25 more yards is a big difference because it can mean a 1st down or TD. Don’t be stupid. The stats are all on NFL.com you know that. I don’t have to cite every stat. This isn’t an essay. They have a winning record when he rushes 100+ yards per game.

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 9ers are 10-3 when Gore rushes over 100 yards

Thats good enough for you? Or do you need something else to show that you have no clue of what your talking about?

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cause or effect?

Stats don’t tell the whole story, that’s what people are trying to tell you. Don’t get you get? When did he cross the 100 yard mark in those games? Was it in the first? How about the fourth? Chances are, the 49ers HAVE run Gore more when they were winning. If you’re going to call up old stats, then you’re saying Martz is comparable. And then you’re saying Martz breaks the rule.

Well, what is it? Martz failed to run gore in that game, okay. But in those previous games, who’s to say that Gore caused the win? It’s a logical fallacy to just assume that those 100 yards caused the win and weren’t just an effect of the win.

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really now?

If you don’t count the useless season where Gore sat BEHIND Kevan “Happy Feet” Barlow (but include this year’s games), Gore has 708 carries and 146 catches spread over 40 games. That’s 21.35 touches per game.

Over 152 games during his career, Barry Sanders compiled 3062 carries and 352 catches. That’s 22.46 touches per game.

That’s a lousy difference of ONE touch per game. Really now, that one touch would do what for the 49ers?

Taking it even to a more localized time period, let’s consider this last game against the Seahawks. By my count, the 49ers ran the ball 22 times (not counting Hill’s scrambles). Of those 22 times, the 49ers gained 3 yards or less on 12 of them. On top of that, only three of them actually went for 3, whereas the remainder went either for zero, one or negative yards. On top of THAT, most of the short gains were compiled in the third and fourth quarter, where the Seahawks were playing soft. So you tell me now, what good would 5 extra carries do in a losing effort?

If you take away Gore’s huge run for 29 yards, his yards per carry in the last game becomes a sordid 3.8 yards per carry. You can’t justify continually running him if you’re losing and the team is doing as badly as it was running.

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way...

… please clarify your stance. Are you saying he isn’t being run enough or if he’s not getting enough touches? I originally thought you were complaining about touches in general, hence the response just above this one. He’s getting a very good amount of touches

If you’re arguing carries, does it really matter how he’s getting the ball as long as he gets it? He is averaging more yards per reception than he is running, so I’d gladly sprinkle those in there along with the runs.

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i said from the start that he needs more carries

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh really now?

Kind of vague if you look back at this.

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, if you were talkin about carries...

… why even bring Shaun Hill into the picture? As I pointed out, he doesn’t call when Gore gets carries.

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's 8 games left.

So you’re telling me, with this sorry sack of linemen (on both sides of the ball) that the 49ers can run the table? At 2-6, they don’t really have much of a choice if they want to make a run for anything. What, you think that going 7-9 makes the season not lost? That’s like the San Francisco Giants throwing out the older veterans to give themselves “a better chance to win.”

There are a lot of things broken with this offense, but how Gore is used is not one of them. IF you’re not going to make playoffs anyway, why not spend the last 8 weeks trying to figure out who sticks and what helps instead of running your best player ragged for no good reason at all.

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say that

You can’t argue stats like that. It still shows that when he exceeds 100+ they win 70% of their games and it doesn’t matter if they were running the clock down. When they went 7-9 they were playing from behind in most of those wins. Yet they syill won and he had posted over 100. I said that i don’t think that they’ll make the playoffs. But the TEAM sees it as 8 more games left and with how bad the division is, there’s good reason for them to see it like that. And you’re not running him ragged if you’re bringing in Foster as well. Even with giving him 5-10 more carries you’ll still get the chance to look at the big picture of who sticks and what helps. If the run is working for you then you have to stick to it.

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Foster, currently, has no identity on this football team. It’s almost as if “if Gore’s not running, no one is.” He has 11 carries in 8 games. That’s not enough carries to spell anyone on any team.

You still don’t get it. “If the run is working for you then you have to stick to it” is counterproductive if you’re trying to fix what’s wrong with your team. Think about it. The 49ers aren’t running more than 50-something plays a game in most games, that would mean Gore is already accounting for almost half of those offensive plays. What more do you want from the guy?

Gore is among the league leaders in touches per games and even yards. Just because he isn’t being run from scrimmage doesn’t mean he isn’t being used. Keep in mind that he’s averaging a hell of a lot more receiving the ball than he is running it, so it’s not like he’s failing when he’s being thrown to instead.

Like I said, there are a lot of thing wrong with this offense, but how Gore is used isn’t one of them. Yes, Martz made the mistake of not running him in the 4th quarter of the Eagles game, big deal. If it happens again, then generate an uproar about it. Overall, though, Gore is being used just like your best weapon should be used. If there’s a gripe about failure to use someone properly, you’d have a better case arguing Vernon Davis or Josh Morgan aren’t being used right than you would arguing Gore’s usage.

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Foster

They have not given Gore the ball enough for Foster to have to come in and spell and that’s why he is nonexistent on this team.

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

another game example...the giants game

Was it only 11 carries that Gore had? Given he got stuffed a lot but you still have to keep giving him the ball. What did they do? when the game was still in reach they decide to throw it. and what happened? 2 stupid interceptions that caust them the damn game!

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

11 carries, 11 yards. Seems like a poor example to use in trying to make your point.

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by marcello on Oct 30, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is that a poor example?

It means Gore wasn’t used enough! Thats been my point the whole time.

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn’t used because he wasn’t effective.

Jesus, it’s like pounding my head against a brick wall.

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by marcello on Oct 30, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don’t need to tell Jesus that.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 30, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can’t argue stats like that. It still shows that when he exceeds 100+ they win 70% of their games and it doesn’t matter if they were running the clock down.

You can’t honestly be this stupid, can you? Do you understand cause and effect? How old are you? My guess is around 13.

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Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 30, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

before you start insulting again..

because that’s all you seem to do instead of talk football(which tells me that you’d be more likely to be 13 years old instead of me), look at those 10 games that they won when he gains over 100.

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's part of your argument...

.. how about you look them up?

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giants and Eagles

Both winnable games! You think Gore was used enough in those 2 games? Bullcrap!

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Using Gore more doesn’t guarantee us a win. In the Giants game, they couldn’t run at all so it’s hard to blame them for avoiding it. In the Philly game, maybe they should have run more, and maybe we wouldn’t have lost if we did. You’re basing an entire argument off of basically one play you didn’t like.

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Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Oct 30, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about?

when they didn’t use Gore in those 2 games they threw picks. would you rather have Gore run into a brick wall or turn the ball over countless times? it’s more than 1 play I didn’t like. JTO threw 4 picks in those games when they were in reach instead of giving Gore the ball. it doesn’t matter if he was getting stuffed he’s still the best player on the offense so you have to keep giving it to him. that’s like saying you shouldn’t through T.O. the ball because he keeps getting double teams. when the games on the line you always throw it to him. you have to keep Gore in the game even if he’s getting stuffed.

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the difference between a turnover....

… and punting the ball away (at most) three plays later? Either way, the other team gets the ball and the offense didn’t do squat.

by sfgfan on Oct 30, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Field position is the difference

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defense...

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

showed up for both the eagles and giants games. turnovers caust those games. Gore not getting the ball was part of the problem

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? There’s plenty of football talk, the insults are just sprinkled in.

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by marcello on Oct 30, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That tells me...

you’re still a moron

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by maveric_87 on Oct 30, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That didn’t make any sense.

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by marcello on Oct 30, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't say which way things will go with Singletary. It's a total crapshoot.

My only concern is that people start getting all hyped about Singletary simply because he’s a motivator and he yells at people. To me, it reeks of the same false promise that got us excited about Nolan when he decided to wear his fancy Reebok suits. It’s all just posturing.
So, right now, this press conference means nothing to me. Until I see results on the field, I am not sold.

by Rocktopus on Oct 28, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m actually not a fan of how people get on Nolan for wearing suits. For everything you want to say, all the guy was trying to do was honor his dad. I just can’t get myself to think poorly of that in any way.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the suits were great

i loved that he wore the suits on the sidelines and am still a fan of it. love when jack del rio does it as well. it’s classy and has nothing to do with coaching which is why i don’t understand why people are down on that.

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by maveric_87 on Oct 28, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m indifferent about Nolan’s decision to wear suits. What really irked me though were fans who took his suit-wearing as an indication that he would be a good coach. You’d talk to people about Nolan and many had formed their opinion about him solely around his decision to wear a suit at games. Few wanted to look beyond that. You see it a lot less here on NN, but it’s definitely here, too. The first thing a person will mention about Nolan is the suit.
So, for me, it became a gimmick and a distraction. It hindered real discussion and gave people an excuse to be lazy in their criticism. So I’ve grown tired of the suit talk, just as I will soon grow tired of hearing about how Singletary is a hard-nosed coach, or a motivating speaker, or how he’s gonna yell at our players all the way to victory. It’s not so much the suits or Singletary’s style that I take issue with, but the opinions that people form from those things that bother me.

by Rocktopus on Oct 28, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Distraction

It became a distraction because the NFL in all it’s marketing glory had to control how the suits were worn. There is nothing wrong with wanting to look professional, unlike “hoody” up in the Northeast.

As for the first thing people will mention about Nolan around here, I disagree it’s anything about the suits. The first thing to come out of people here about him would probably be his overall stubbornness and vagueness in interviews. Oh and the part that the team has sucked probably won’t slip past people too. The suit is a very low priority around here.

by sfgfan on Oct 29, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was a good article by Michael Silver on Yahoo.

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by pfzilla on Oct 28, 2008 8:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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