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Why O'Sullivan is Struggling

When we come under such an offensive system the Martz offense provides, we need to become true students of the offense. Because if you try to do too much, you get sacked. If you try to do too little, that's not what the offense represents. And if you are in the middle, not too little or too much, it's too mediocre for a flashy offense.

And if you turn over the ball trying to run this offense, then you need to be benched, because it's all about winning and all about being the best offense in the NFL, possibly, in the history of the NFL. Martz has such a vision.

Do we?

Well it depends how badly we want to win. And sometimes when we want to win badly, we force the ball and turn it over. That is part of O'Sullivan's struggles, secondly, it is one of the reasons he always was benched in his entire NFL career. Coaches have seen his errant play at times and poor decision making, trying to force the ball instead of managing the ball game AND letting things happen in a smooth flow.

O'Sullivan is talented. He's good. He's a pro bowl-caliber quarterback. He is on his way. But what can he do while he is being benched in favor of Shaun Hill?

LEARN.

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And improvise.

Before Singletary yanks you off the team.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Oct 28, 2008 7:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And hope...

…like heck Kwame Sims, er, Barry Harris, er, any other lineman on the right side can figure out how to block someone. Maybe consider checking off at the line and call an audible? Even after 7 years in the league, it doesn’t appear the game has “slowed down” for JTO to see all the options, make the read and “manage the game.”

by StepUp on Oct 28, 2008 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree, kind of
Well it depends how badly we want to win. And sometimes when we want to win badly, we force the ball and turn it over.

I kind of disagree with this statement. Forcing things isn’t how you win and he should have learned that by now (college PLUS 7+ years in the NFL). The great QBs (or even just the winning QBs) don’t TRY to be Superman by forcing things and trying to make something that doesn’t exist, exist. They play within the realms of the system and take what is given to them. It’s a fallacy to think that Martz WANTS his QB to go for broke on every play. If that were the case, Gore wouldn’t be where he is this season in terms of production (which is up there with the league leaders) if Martz wanted a go-for-broke system.

O’Sullivan just needs to quit playing with that chip on his shoulder and just play the game. If the reason he is making mistakes is because he’s trying to prove to the world he can indeed make things happen, he needs to get over himself. That’d be his biggest challenge while he rides the pine pony.

by sfgfan on Oct 28, 2008 9:30 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess...

… they’re stainless steel ponies, now.

by sfgfan on Oct 28, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So doing too little is not what the offense represents. Doing too much is gonna get you sacked. And anything in between is too mediocre?

Where exactly in this spectrum do we want to be?

by Rocktopus on Oct 28, 2008 12:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pro-bowl caliber?

what part of his play has shown he’s a pro bowler? he leads in interceptions and fumbles. if this guy were a 1st or 2nd year player, i’d think he’d get a pass but heres the deal; he’s 30. he’s been in the league way to long to make the kind of mistakes he does. he has no feel for the pass rush. Given, the 9ers o-line hasn’t been great but when they have given him time, he still holds on to the ball too long and throws ints when having enough time to make reads. i think he is a solid back up and nothing more. he especially is not what the 9ers need right now.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 28, 2008 1:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My main problem is the fumbles

His fumbles last Sunday, for example, weren’t the result of getting the ball knocked out of his hand. Rather, the defender was just tackling him, but the ball popped out anyway.

If he could take a sack without fumbling, he might still be our starting QB.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Oct 28, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe

but he still throws too many picks and at the worst of times

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 28, 2008 4:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont forget heart breaking fumbles!

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 28, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

credibility-o-meter

before the last sentance:

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After this:

O’Sullivan is … a pro bowl-caliber quarterback.

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Benching O’Sullivan was not a mistake. It was the best thing that could have happened to this team. It didn’t happen because O’Sullivan wasn’t living up to his potential, either. It happened because he’s a moron. He constantly makes bad reads, holds on (loosely) to the ball for far too long, and regularly tries to make plays that simply aren’t there.

He doesn’t force the ball into triple coverage because he wants to win so badly. He does it because he’s overconfident, or just doesn’t see the defenders.

It’s not like he thought he could throw that ball against Seattle through the saftey….he just managed to completely misread the coverage and decide, before the snap, to throw the ball to a spot – a spot that was later occupied by a defender. A mistake he has made several times this year.

To put it simply, JTO is not very good – and has failed to get any better in the face of countless mistakes. It is his inability to improve and learn from his own mistakes that has earned him a warm spot on the bench.

by shlecko on Oct 28, 2008 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah

O’Sullivan is a pro bowl caliber quarterback

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Oct 28, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Being pro bowl-caliber doesn't guarantee the playoffs, fellas---

In the past few years, our quarterbacks would normally throw for 100ish yards. One day Alex Smith would go 115 yards, and another day he would throw for only 69 yards, then maybe he’d throw 107 yards. Then, Dilfer would step in and barely hit 110 yards. That was how bad it was-not pro bowl-caliber type of football.

But O’Sullivan has had 300-plus yards, he’s hit 250-plus yards a couple times already, considering the fact he was benched most of his NFL career. He was really hot in the preseason and has thrown for a lot of yards this year already before being benched and replaced by Shaun Hill. They would not have benched O’Sullivan if he kept the turnovers to a minimum. But he has been sacked 17 times, the most in the NFL, combined with turnovers (fumbles and interceptions), the 49ers’ brass cannot overlook such a turnover rate.

Consequence was that O’Sullivan got benched. The 49ers just want to give the team the best chance to win by placing a quarterback who can regain control of the offensive scheme and cut down on turnovers while O’Sullivan takes a breather and reflects on his errant play. He will not be back in if Hill does well and wins games with a low turnover percentage. At least for the season, but given O’Sullivan’s pro-bowl caliber of play, they are going to wean him back into the offense slowly and watch him in practice as he cuts down on the turnovers.

For Singletary to win a permanent head coaching gig with the 49ers, he needs to steer the 49ers back on track, and start winning. For Singletary to do that, he may use both quarterbacks alternatively depending on their performance for the rest of the year, and I believe as long Martz runs the offense with the 49ers, JTO will have a chance to get back into the starting lineup.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Oct 28, 2008 8:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

O'Sullivan is not good.

If he was with any other offensive coordinator in any other system, he would not have done what he’s done so far this year (in terms of production). He has the potential to be good, maybe. He may be a little too arrogant or maybe even hard headed to fully realize that potential, though.

by sfgfan on Oct 29, 2008 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he was with any other offensive coordinator in any other system, he would not have done what he’s done so far this year

actually, if he was with any other offensive coordinator he would have done exactly what he has done so far in his career: sit on the bench and be a backup QB

by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 29, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ctrl+a → open MS Word → ctrl+v → ctrl+f → replace tab → find: O’Sullivan → replace with: [name of QB] → replace all → profit.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 28, 2008 11:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

O’Sullivan is talented. He’s good. He’s a pro bowl-caliber quarterback. He is on his way.

Christ, that is almost too stupid to respond to, but somehow I felt compelled. O’Sullivan is a QB that the Detroit Lions had no use for and the 49ers picked up off the scrap heap. Occasionally diamonds are found in the rough, but more often than not when you search the rough for a QB you find a guy who goes on to lead the league in interceptions and fumbles. O’Sullivan is probably somewhere around the 37th or 38th best QB in the NFL, those guys are not typically referred to as “pro bowl-caliber.”

by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 29, 2008 12:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

turnovers aside...I agree with you

To paraphrase Mike Nolan, throw out the turnovers and JT’s a great quarterback, definitely pro-bowl worthy. And in the 2nd two games of the season, that was the case, and the team was looking frisky as a result. Except the turnovers have returned and they’ve stayed. I do think that he locks onto receivers—3 times he’s thrown end-zone picks to a double-covered slot receiver. Those are absolutely killer. Find the single-covered guy, already! Look, he’s got mobility, a quick release and more than adequate arm strength, and Shaun Hill lacks two of those things. What Hill does is work through the progressions quickly—that’s a skill that JT seems to lack. The problem with a Martz offense is that it seems to make the QB so confident that the receiver will uncover that it encourages one to lock on as JT seems to do.

This shouldn’t come off as a blanket apology for Hill, though, because some confidence that a guy will uncover is necessary if you want to get the ball down the field. And this is, of course, vital because the deeper passing game opens up the running game by preventing the safeties from creeping up into the box. Also, getting the ball down the field makes the difficulties posed by dropped passes, stuffed runs, and bad throws easier to deal with because you aren’t locked into a ‘we need all 3 downs’ schedule.

So we’re hooped for this year. JT turns the ball over, so he can’t win for us. And the moment teams figure out that Hill can’t throw the ball more than 6 yards they’ll play short zones, stack the line and shut down the running game, so he can’t win for us.

Is it too late to tank for the rest of the season, to lobby Colt McCoy to come out of college, and then to get our first round draft pick taken away for tampering?

by grantmp on Oct 29, 2008 10:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this whole “if you throw out the turnovers O’Sullivan is a good QB” line of thinking it utterly ridiculous. That is kind of like saying “if you throw out all of the horrible songs they have made the Backstreet Boys are a great band.”

And in the 2nd two games of the season, that was the case, and the team was looking frisky as a result.

yes, and in the 2nd two games of the season the 49ers played against two horrible teams who have a combined record of 2-12 (with one of those wins of course coming against the 49ers) and are 30th and 31st in the NFL in pass defense. I think a lot of QBs would look “pro bowl-caliber” if they played the Lions and Seahawks every week.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 29, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of QBs...

… except O’Sullivan the second time around!

by sfgfan on Oct 29, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

tru dat

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 29, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe if O'Sullivan

could go ahead and not fumble everytime he gets hit, we would win some more games. It would also probably help if he could somehow learn not to throw a pick every time he doesn’t fumble. Shaun Hill does neither of those things. Until he starts doing those things, he should play over O’Sullivan.

by boonitez on Oct 30, 2008 8:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

but dude, without those turnovers he would be the 2nd coming on Johnny Unitas!

by FluLikeSymptoms on Oct 31, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but unfortunately he's nowhere close to Unitas

Shows how bad favarareee is whith ints aswell

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 31, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait

who was the first to come on Unitas?

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Oct 31, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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