probably isnt coming out this year. Isnt he a junior? If he is coming out I would think he would actually be drafted above most of these guys given his size and athleticism

First of all, I suffer from EOFD or extremely optimist fan disorder so I still believe we can turn it around. But if we don’t here are some thoughs on what we can do.
1. Keep Singletary. The dude wants to win and wants tough focused football players. Thats why you have head coaches.
2. Fire Martz. West coast can thrive in all offensive skill levels. Martzs, well it helps when you have a hall of fame Head Coach, LT, RB, and WRs, and the league MVP running the Greatest show on Turf.
3. Trade a 2, 4,and 5 round picks for a late first rounder (22-28ish)
4. Trade a 3rd round pick(maybe throw in a 6 or 7) for john beck or chad henne who will complete with shaun hill(the guy gets blasted by produces on the field. Give him a real chance.)
5. Drop these “cancers” and add some winners
6. On draft day, get Eugene Monroe/Andre Smith/Michael Oher with our first pick, then use our later first round pick to get beast terrence cody.

…dealt with the system QB thing. They come in where I talked about scouts separating the wheat from the chaff. They had 36 starts worth of tape to watch on Klingsbury, decided he was a system qb, and pegged him as a 6th rounder. Remember, the LCF only applies to QBs taken in the top 2 rounds.

Isn’t Chase Daniel as much of a “system QB” as Graham Harrell?

…this is where the Tedford thing comes in. Akili, Klingler, etc. had nowhere near 37 starts despite having a good comp pct. The LCF basically says, “completion percentage is most predictive, provided that it’s been proven over several seasons worth of college starts.” Rodgers, being a Tedford guy, had only 22 starts, but remember that he transferred after from a JuCo. Here’s a quick, well-explained, overview of LCF on FO’s “FO Basic” page:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/FO-basics

…stupid is as stupid does.

is a bit small for the NFL, but Brees had the same criticism so maybe. He does look very good though. Also I agree that OL should be priority #1. QB in the early 2nd or 3rd rounds is fine with me. Somebody get Mike Vick a Niners playbook to study in prison!

Answering my own question, Chase Daniel is projected to go in the 2nd by New Era Scouting. Curtis Painter is projected in the 3rd. They are currently only using Seniors in the projections, I believe.

Scouting reports here:

Chase Daniel
Curtis Painter

Note that their round/slot projections are different in the scouting reports.

#3. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3658632

 #4 have great upside and at least Painter should be available in the second round.

& #5 should stay in school and show how he plays without an injury possibly be #3 QB taken behind McCoy and Bradford

…like i said in the post, i don’t know my ass from my elbow when it comes to college football outside gainesville. i just looked at qbs who other commenters raised as possibilities because i don’t follow college football enough to know who’s coming out early, who’s not, etc.

i guess the point here is that the way we should think about the “qb of the future” for the 49ers is to (a) focus on guys with enough game film out there (37 or more starts) that the scouts can weed out the “system qbs” and non-talents, (b) look at the guys with 37+ starts who the scouts project as picks in the first 2 rounds, and © choose the guy with the highest completion percentage.

as you suggest, the scouts actually watching players play is THE most important thing, provided that there’s enough game film out there to make a valid evaluation. when they have enough game tape, they usually peg the qb in the appropriate tier of talent. when they don’t have enough, they either project guys too high for the wrong reasons (e.g., low supply of qbs in the draft, combine/pro day workouts, gaudy stats, heisman finalist; see alex smith) or project guys too low for the wrong reasons (e.g., too slow, looks like a bean pole; see tom brady).

given what i’ve said, here’s a quick point by point rebuttal to end things:

1) harrell has enough starts, so the scouts will be able to decide (with incredible accuracy) whether or not his completion percentage is due to the system.

2) being short is totally irrelevant…and it’s been proven statistically in the research i cited…again, there’s enough game tape out there, that, if daniel lasts past the 2nd round, there are reasons for not drafting him totally irrespective of his height.

3) agreed. if mccoy doesn’t come out, it’s kind of hard to draft him.

4) if they’re both projected as 1st or 2nd rounders, painter is a much better choice than stafford, no matter how “nfl-ready” stafford is. if stafford can’t complete over 60% in college, he’s not going to all-of-a-sudden start doing it in the nfl. he might be the exception to the rule, but there’s 10 years of data that support what i’m saying.

5) same boat as mccoy in terms of staying in school, but different ocean in terms of completion percentage and games started. mccoy completes 8% more of his passes (although sanchez could realistically close the gap by a point or two); and if sanchez does stay in school, he’ll still only have 28 or 29 starts at the END of next season (provided he stays healthy).

6) i may be a gator, but i’m not blind when it comes to tebow. i think he’s going to go waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in the draft. his completion percentage and games started are eerily similar to alex smith’s, and yet people aren’t going to be able to resist the temptation of picking a double-threat, 51-TD player.

7) not sure that there’s any research on this, but i don’t think conference would add anything meaningful to the equation above and beyond completion percentage and games started. in fact, i’d be shocked if lewin didn’t adjust for strength of schedule, which would be a proxy for conference.

Tebow is even less likely than McCoy or Sanchez to come out this year and why do you say USC wont be making the NC game? A bit early to rule them out.

But for me, it’s really about Mack Brown and not the individual players.

23 starts, 53% completion percentage.

Alex Smith was still coming along until Bernard trashed his shoulder. It sucks but that’s the NFL.

56.2% comp pct in 30 starts. drafted in 3rd round, so whether LCF applies is a borderline call. i’d say he’s an average pro at best.

Painter is having a really bad year. Skinner isn’t anything impressive. Depending on how the rest of the season works out, I might like Tom Brandstater (Fresno St.) over Painter and definately over Skinner.

Let’s wait two more years and pick up Terrelle Pryor.

35 games, 58.6% completion percentage. Could finish the year with 37 and 60% if he plays his cards right. Excellent pocket quarterback, but lacks mobility which occasionally causes him to force passes when the weak VT line breaks down (see: often).

…drafted in 2nd round too, so the LCF applies. i’d say that, because he was drafted in 2007, it’s way too early to tell with him. however, so far he looks like an exception to the rule.

Should I make reservations to have this same conversation in 2 years. Leinart is not very good.

64.8% comp pct in 39 starts, drafted in 1st round.

55.4% in 25 starts, drafted in 2nd round…score 1 for the LCF

…only 32 starts

And raise you a Cody Pickett!

When they picked him in the draft they had Eli, Anthony Wright, Jared Lorenzen, and had just signed David Carr. There were no roster spots.

I watched the guy play in college. He played in a pro-style offense. He put up big numbers. He set the collegiate mark for passes attempted without an interception. I’d take him over anyone on the current roster.