WR Roy Williams on the Block
according to Sports Illustrateed truth and rumors The lions are willing to trade Roy if the right offer comes around. With our WR corp like it is would definitely help in terms of skill and it would also give JTO another weapon that he already has some kind of relationship with. Another plus would be that he already knows the offense. I was just wondering if you guys thought that the niners should try and who you would trade for him.
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WRs aren't the problem
Bruce has been solid, Johnson and Battle have been OK, albeit a bit invisible. Morgan needs to be played a bit more. If this team wants to address problems, it’s pass rush. That will take the pressure off the DBs, and they would theoretically have more success in this stupid prevent defense they play all the time.
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by UnleashTheGore on Oct 7, 2008 8:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sort of.
I think the WRs may sort of be the problem. I know Bruce, because of his supposedly great route running, should be pretty decent at creating separation, even in his advanced age, however the remaining WRs have to prove they can do the same. Battle and Johnson, as you point out, have tended to disappear at times. A WR only disappears if the QB doesn’t see them, they’re not in the right place at the right time, or if they don’t create enough separation. I think Johnson and Battle are problem falling victim to the latter two more than the first. O’Sullivan, for all the poor decisions he’s made, has had plenty of time to find WRs. He’s just not finding any he deems are open enough (or where they’re supposed to be).
I don’t know how good Williams’ route running is or how good he is at creating separation, but showing interest in him should be taken very carefully. It makes little sense to get into a bidding war for him. I would definitely throw my hat in the ring, but I’m not sure how much he’d be worth.
by sfgfan on Oct 7, 2008 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roy Williams
I feel the wrs arent the problem either. but trading for williams would be a great move considering bruces age and williams already knows the offense. the problem with all of this is that this is a move only eddie d would do and not the yorks. i give credit to the yorks for dumping money into the team but they are no where near as hardcore as eddie d was.
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by maveric_87 on Oct 7, 2008 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dumping money...
DeBartolo had money to dump. He didn’t have to deal with all the penalties and ramifications that showed up 5 to 7 years later. The Yorks spent the better part of their regime so far correcting the issues borne by DeBartolo and Co., so it’s only fair to wait and see where they from now before judging them. I think they’ve learned quite a bit about running a team over the past 5 years or so, and it kind of shows. The front office is finally stable. The owners aren’t meddling with the day-to-day football activities. The salary cap situation is one of the best in the NFL (not to mention the constant manipulation of it to adjust next year’s cap figure).
You can accuse the Yorks of being newbies or inexperienced, but you can’t accuse them of not being bold or not trying. They hired a first time head coach and gave him autonomy. That autonomy has resulted in a fully restructured front office and a slightly better on-the-field product. Who’s to say their next choice won’t improve upon that? Not endorsing the idea, but can you imagine if the Yorks lured Holmgren in to run the front office (much like the Dolphins did with Parcells)?
by sfgfan on Oct 7, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Debartolo
The hiring of a rookie coach isnt neccessarily a bold move. As of this moent it was a stupid move on the Yorks part. The team still hasn’t made the playoffs and that is what matters. Dumping money into the team like Debartolo did get them into some cap trouble. But! They still made the playoffs and won rings. And I’m with you on the holmgren situation I think it would be the most clear cut smart move that could be made for this team. Like I said, theYorks deserve credit for getting some big players to sign on. But you still need big time coaching to go along with it and that hasn’t been the case so far.
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by maveric_87 on Oct 8, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cap problems.
You fail to understand that the cap problems didn’t show up until DeBartolo was well on his way out. DeBartolo didn’t have the same salary cap constraints that the 49ers have today, at least for most of his reign. There is where the difference is.
I think signing a young, first-time head coach is a bold move. It’s not a stupid move, as I’ve read before that plenty of other people outside of the organization felt he was ready for the job as well. It hasn’t panned out but as some people have also pointed out, it’s not entirely his fault. He’s a defensive-minded coach, and the defense is greater than what he started with by leaps and bounds. It’s the offensive side of the ball that has given the team trouble. It’s not like Nolan hasn’t brought in quality guys. McCarthy was brought in to install the WCO, which isn’t an easy system to install. Who would have thought he was going to leave after one year? In any case, the 49ers lucked out and Turner became available. Turner actually generated some production out of the offense, but the Chargers got antsy and canned Schottenheimer and Turner’s friend (Chargers GM, I think) turned to him and offered him a job. Nolan couldn’t have predicted a head coach who sucked as one in the prevoius 4 or 5 years would have been re-hired as a head coach a year removed from being fired as one. Because Turner’s departure came so late, he was stuck looking for a replacement in house. His choice of Hostler could be questionable, but his choices weren’t beaming with encouragement, either.
I mentioned the Holmgren thing as a possibility, but Holmgren has already said he’s taking a year off from football. It sounds like he (and his family) need that, and I doubt he’d change his mind. So anything happening in that regard is at least a year and a half away.
by sfgfan on Oct 8, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A "stud" WR would be nice ...
Roy Williams does sound tempting. I don’t think WRs are our only problem, but I do think adding a “stud” WR to play opposite Isaac Bruce would really benefit JTO. And even if we do acquire Williams or perhaps even Houshmandzadeh, we still need to really focus on building up our offensive and defensive lines.
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by Persiflage on Oct 8, 2008 8:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lines
I think the defensive line can be solid enough to be picked up by the secondary and linebackers if they weren’t on the field so much. Fixing the offensive line is definitely a must, but there is very little the team can do mid-season to do that. I think the interior of the line is a little weak (not physically, but in terms of play), and perhaps McCloughan’s theory that good guards are easy to come by is a starting to show some holes.
by sfgfan on Oct 8, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs























