Is This True??? Could we get T.J. Houshmandzadeh this season?

by Persiflage on Oct 8, 2008 7:55 AM PDT

I put a link in the fanshots, but here's another link from rotowire too -

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=2552&line=126084&spln=1

Damn - what would an Isaac Bruce/T.J. Houshmandzadeh combo do for J.T. O'Sullivan? It sounds beautiful to me. Besides, T.J. is just being wasted on the Bengals right now.

I guess the one question I'd be worried about is what we would have to give Cincinnatti in return? How about an Alex Smith/Vernon Davis package? This little news blurb leaves me with a hundred questions actually. Sounds exciting. Sounds too good to be true. Sounds possible?

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Ha ha hah!

You, Persiflage, at least I spelled your name right, you did a nice post that entertained my world as if I sat on a leopard rug next to a simmering fireplace.

If a Isaace Bruce and T.J. Houshmandzadeh tandem ever happens, it will be a very potent WR corps, it takes us to the Super Bowl.

But will it happen? I am still intrigued with the pure, blazing speed Vernon Davis possesses, and still need to see him catch the balls he does get. If we get Houshmandzadeh, I’d like to do it without losing Davis.

Just put together a nice, enticing package without taking away the heart and soul of the team. The heart and soul of the team is all we need in watching the 49ers make a turnaround, to start winning games.

Come, T.J. Houshmanzadeh, join Bruce for receiving conquests. Be seen in highlight reels week after week, guys! Bruce, give a friendly phone call to Houshmanzadeh and tell him what a great organization the 49ers is, minus Jonas Jenning’s all too-frequent injuries and bench camping.

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by 16to80endzone on Oct 8, 2008 8:29 AM PDT 0 recs

One problem with your theory.....how will they get the football when JT is throwing to the wrong team or being on his ass all day?

Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!

by SSreporters on Oct 8, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up 0 recs

to the Super Bowl as well.*

Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!

by SSreporters on Oct 8, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up 0 recs

No way

I’m sorry but I just can’t see us dealing for Houshmanzadeh (or Roy Williams) for that matter. We’d be giving up draft picks (and probably a player or two) for a guy who is a free agent after the season is up. I realize it would help for this season, but while Nolan is on the seat, I don’t think McCloughan is, so much so that he’d roll the dice now instead of in the offseason.

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by Fooch on Oct 8, 2008 8:34 AM PDT 0 recs

yeah

there’s no way we get this guy without giving up draft picks. Now maybe the bengals will take say a 3rd or 4th rounder, which for them is better than the nothing they will get when he walks. and let’s face it, they’re not winning anything this season so it makes sense to sell. Who knows what the asking price will be but if it’s less than a 2nd rounder it might be worth considering, if we can sign him to an extension.

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by wjackalope on Oct 8, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up 0 recs

extension

I can’t remember, but does the league allow teams a window to sign a traded player like often happens in baseball?

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by Fooch on Oct 8, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up 0 recs

I think...

… only if the other team explicitly allows for that period. That’s how the 49ers got into the whole Briggs debacle last offseason, they were accused of going to Briggs’ agent after the Bears denied access.

by sfgfan on Oct 8, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up 0 recs

Randy Moss

Moss cost the Patriots, what, a 4th rounder? The Bengals CAN’T be expecting much more than that. Besides, if you consider most of the 49ers draft picks, a 3rd or 4th rounder may not be giving up much at all. You can compare that to giving up Michael Robinson or something like that.

by sfgfan on Oct 8, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up 0 recs

Except Randy Moss was trash in Oakland.

TJ Howyaspellhizname is clearly a good player in Cincy.

by Rishi on Oct 8, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up 0 recs

Moss

It’s not all that different though. Moss gave up in Oakland because he felt the coaching staff and the players gave up. Why give your all when you get the feeling that no one else around you gives a rat’s ass?

The talent level never diminished, and it was clear to the world that that was true. Besides, no team in their right mind would give up anything higher than a 3rd or 4th rounder for a potential rental. Now if the Bengals granted permission to talk to him or his agent ahead of time, then maybe giving up a 2nd rounder won’t be too bad.

by sfgfan on Oct 8, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up 0 recs

But scouts know what they have in TJ H – it’s hard to remember, but Moss was seen as an unknown quantity when the Pats got him. Even after the preseason, no one knew if he’d even make the team.

by Rishi on Oct 8, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up 0 recs

Too bad Al Davis isn't the Bengal's owner.

Moss got traded for a 4th rounder because the Raiders brass (Al Davis) didn’t think Moss could run any more. Essentially, they thought he was damaged goods. The Bengals know Housh is far from damaged goods. Plus if Housh was made available I seriously doubt the Niners would be the only players, thus driving up the cost.

by methodrampage on Oct 9, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

so why would the Bengals go for this?

(a) they’re done for the season already and we’re not, (b) they don’t want to have to sign T.J. for a big contract next year, and © they probably need to deal their hottest most expensive looking players – and T.J. is it – in order to gain anything for next season

why would the Niners go for this?

Pros
1) really does make us more competitive against Arizona this season
2) depends on Martz & Houshmandzadeh’s relationship – might be able to get/make even unofficial promises on both sides for next season
3) putting more money into the team now means making more money long term
4) I’m not sure whether signing Housh to an extension would be possible, if it is possible, then this deal looks twice as good

Cons
1) giving up too expensive draft picks (at least 1st or 2nd round)
2) too expensive financially – Yorks not willing to put in enough cash
3) is it really worth it if Housh just walks away to another team next season?

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by Persiflage on Oct 8, 2008 8:47 AM PDT 0 recs

Cons

I agree on 1 and 3, don’t agree on 2. The York have ponied up the cash for Smith and Clements and if the entire coaching staff was on board with this I think they’d pony up for the extension.

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by Fooch on Oct 8, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up 0 recs

I don't agree with #1

The Bengals wouldn’t hold out for a 1st or 2nd round pick, because no one is going to give it to him. It’s not like baseball where they’d get comp’d if he left (unless he’s franchised). As I mentioned above, Moss garnered a 4th rounder a couple years ago, and I don’t think the Bengals can expect much more than that (if any at all). A 3rd or 4th really isn’t much in terms of 49ers draft picks, anyway.

by sfgfan on Oct 8, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up 0 recs

damn, just to think of it ...

Houshmandzadeh being thrown to by O’Sullivan instead of Palmer/Fitzpatrick playing opposite Isaac Bruce instead of an injured Ocho Cinco …

all for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick and the Yorks giving up some cash …

I don’t think that would make Arizona very happy. But it would definately make me happy … along with whatever fantasy football players own Housh and JTO.

"Those boos really motivate me to make something happen." - Bonds

by Persiflage on Oct 8, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up 0 recs

I don't agree with you

How do you know a team won’t give up a 1st or 2nd rounder? Seattle gave a 1st rounder to New England for Deion Branch who didn’t have near the track record that Housh does. Housh is a known commodity any rookie is far from that.

by methodrampage on Oct 9, 2008 12:50 PM PDT up 0 recs

Draft Picks

Given the fact that our WR’s a steady (yet unspectacular), wouldn’t it be smart draft pick management to trade a #1 pick to a Lions or Bengals team for a Housh or a Roy Williams? Both players have proved to be game breakers and would not only be great targets for JTO, but free up other options in the passing offense. I mean, if we traded our 1st rounder for Staley (who i really like), why not give up a 1st rounder for a big time PROVEN WR, assuming we can sign them long term?

by JerseyNinerFan on Oct 8, 2008 11:10 AM PDT 0 recs

#1

I don’t think I would trade a #1 to anyone, especially if there’s no time period where I could negotiate with that player’s agent. Heck, I don’t even know if I would trade a #2 or #3 for Williams. Word on the street is that he lacks the work ethic to take it all to the next level. That’s like sending the Lions a #2 or a #3 for someone like Ashley Lelie. No thanks.

For Housh, as I pointed out elsewhere, I would give up a second rounder if I could talk to his agent and get an extension worked out before the trade went through. Those kind of permissions int he NFL are rare, though.

by sfgfan on Oct 8, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up 0 recs

I mean, if we traded our 1st rounder for Staley (who i really like), why not give up a 1st rounder for a big time PROVEN WR, assuming we can sign them long term?

That’s the trick, though, isn’t it? That’s not something you can assume considering the FA market today. There’s a lot of teams that would probably give TJ more money and years than the 49ers.

If we could work something out before the trade, then yeah, I’d give up a #1. The 49ers have a pretty poor track record with drafting WRs (and pretty much every position other than LB, for that matter), and I think a proven commodity, locked up long-term, is worth a #1.

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by UnleashTheGore on Oct 8, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yea I mean that’d be the big problem with trading a #1 or even a #2 for that matter for TJ. However, if there was any possible way we’d be able to sign him to a long term deal, I don’t why anyone would take issue with getting some guaranteed talent for our draft picks. I always take something like that as we’re drafting an experience NFL player with the pick.

I could be wrong, and i tend to be wrong with this team. Its hard to be a Niner fan on the east coast, thats for damn sure…

by JerseyNinerFan on Oct 9, 2008 5:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

I've read

that Roy Williams has had mega problems with Martz’s system in Detroit, so it will be very unlikely we bring him over for that reason.

MURS for President!!!!!!!

by jtoj on Oct 8, 2008 1:01 PM PDT 0 recs

I'd love it but....

His contract is up at the end of the year. I don’t see the 9ers trading for him. I see them offering him a contract in the free agency period. Remember this is not Eddie D who owns the team. I give a ton of credit to the yorks for putting money into our team but they do not have the guts to do this. it would be great seeing housh in red and gold but I just don’t think it’s going to happen(Take Clements for example).

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by maveric_87 on Oct 8, 2008 2:17 PM PDT 0 recs

Guts... or stupidity?

You may call it guts, but I’m sure many would call it stupid to send a 1st or 2nd round pick for a player who is a free agent in three months.

by sfgfan on Oct 8, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

hmmm...

You have guts to trade him for 2nd to 3rd round pick and then sign him before he can leave. It would be stupid to give 1st round for him seeing that as of right now how things are looking were going to get a good pick in the draft. But if you read everything I wrote, the first thing I said was that his contract is up so it might be good to wait til he is a free agent.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Oct 8, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up 0 recs

I still don't see the problem with giving up a #1 pick if we're sure we can lock him up

I’ve argued many times this team is built to win within the next 5 years or so. After that, Gore will be done, the D will be out of it’s prime, and the high-market players will be gone to free agency. The whole reasoning behind getting draft picks is to develop a good player. Well, TJ is a good player…so why take the risk (not to mention waiting to develop the young player to get him where you want him) of hoping a draft pick turns into an above average player when you can forego all that to get an already established player? You also need to consider how poorly this team has drafted recently, as I mentioned above. You also need to consider how much guarenteed money you’ll have to give a top draft pick, when that same money could probably buy TJ.

Of course, all this hinges on how confident they are that they could re-sign TJ.

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by UnleashTheGore on Oct 8, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

A few things...

1) it seems several people have a madden mentality- that is, they think they can trade for anyone and they will be just as good as they were with their former team( “their madden rating stays the same!”) when players are traded there is always an adjustment period to the offensive scheme and the players on their new team, as well as the personal difficulties of moving to a new city ( family, friends, feelings). That means Houshmandzadeh and Roy Williams won’t be 95’s for the niners just because they are for the bengals and lions

1a) any comparisons of howsyamazilly to Randy Moss are ridiculous and stupid

2) The bengals won’t trade him cheap because he is a solid performer who they will try to sign or at least franchise next year. They aren’t giving up on next year either, and T.J. is someone who they will see as being important in their future team’s success.

3) This isn’t baseball!——— Major in season trades just don’t happen that often in the NFL… for a variety of reasons…
          a) teams are much more reluctant to trade draft choices because there are so few of them
          b) there is no minor leagues, you can’t trade prospects
          c) there is always pressure to win now- more effective revenue sharing and salary cap constraints mean more parity among NFL teams—— there are no pittsburgh pirates in the NFL

4) John York isn’t as big a problem as some people think…. other than Al Davis and maybe Jerry Jones, owners have relatively little impact other than shelling out money. This is because most NFL owners correctly understand that they are not NFL experts, they leave that to the general manager and coach. John York will spend money if he thinks it will help the team win.

by albertoleecho on Oct 9, 2008 12:13 AM PDT 0 recs

I agree with most everything and these are good points

except this:

there are no pittsburgh pirates in the NFL

See Lions, Detroit.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Oct 9, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

But they play in Detroit. And their name is the Lions. That’s neither Pittsburgh nor Pirates. I don’t think you were carefully enough.

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by howtheyscored on Oct 9, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up 0 recs

I don’t think you were reading carefully enough.

I don’t think I was typing carefully enough.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Oct 9, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up 0 recs

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Oct 9, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up 0 recs

Obviously a joke, don’t take this seriously =D

by Cruithear on Oct 9, 2008 7:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

If I had a Madden mentality, I’d go for it on 4th and 20 in the first quarter because I like playing offense more than I like playing defense.

by Rishi on Oct 9, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up 0 recs

I like defense more because I just watch my friends thunb for when he is about to snap it and I get a great jump, always creating pressure. As for T.J. how about T.J. for Vernon Davis and a 3rd rounder. I mean, TJ is all-pro and is on an 0-5 team, about to become an unrestricted FA in a bad situation in Cincinati. He would like it he because he would have a group of classy players, who are really intense (JTO,Pwillie), would be the clear receiving focal point, and would be on somewhat of a contender(at least for a 5-6th seed).

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by montasmob69 on Oct 10, 2008 2:42 AM PDT 0 recs