The 49ers search for next QB
by TakeAGiantStepNGo on Nov 10, 2008 1:44 PM PST
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It starts tonight when Hill gets bounced in Arizona. Who will be the next QB for the enept minded 49ers? Will they draft another QB and start over or will they go after a QB that is in the league? The 49ers cannot afford to screw another draft up and pick the wrong guy and push the team back another 5 years.
They could sign Losman from Buffalo as a free agent or trade for Derek Anderson form Cleveland. Losman deserves another shot in another system and Anderson looks to be expendable in Cleveland with Quinn ready to step in.
They also could go young and hope they catch lightning in a bottle in the draft like Atlanta and Baltimore did. One thing is for sure is that no one on the current roster at QB should be starting next year. I hope the 49ers catch a break or at least a little lightning next year.
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Hill gets bounced?
Why?
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by Fooch on Nov 10, 2008 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hill is not the answer. The combo of him not being able to throw deep and a bad OL means he will be bounced tonight.
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by TakeAGiantStepNGo on Nov 10, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For who?
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by marcello on Nov 10, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whom?
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by marcello on Nov 10, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Self owned
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Nov 10, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hill strengths
True he can’t throw deep and plays behind a bad OL, but his strengths are quick decision-making and short passes, which could counter the bad OL. Not saying he’s a long term answer, but I don’t think he goes to hell tonight.
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by Fooch on Nov 10, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There's probably a reason
that Losman and Anderson have been replaced by less-experienced players that are admittedly only OK at this point.
This topic is becoming as exhausted as “TRADE MATT CAIN”. But FWIW, here’s my opinion:
1) draft a QB with one of your top three picks in the 2009 draft
2) sign Kerry Collins to a two-year deal to be a “mentor” of sorts to the new draftee for a couple of years until he’s ready to start.
I realize a lot of people don’t care for Collins, but take a look at the 2009 list of free agents. It’s not pretty. An argument could be made for keeping Hill instead of signing Collins, but Hill doesn’t have a whole lot of experience to instill on a young QB.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2008 1:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why exactly is Kerry Collins leaving Tennesee?
The Titans need his services even more than the Niners do.
by methodrampage on Nov 10, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because it helps my plan if he does?
:)
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
But like Warner, I doubt he’s leaving his current team next year.
by methodrampage on Nov 10, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not totally against Derek Anderson, but I couldn’t be more against JP Losman. He’s even worse than Alex Smith on his worst day for holding onto the ball too long.
Haven’t MM and Barrows been saying that Alex Smith might be back if they can renegotiate his contract?
by grantmp on Nov 11, 2008 5:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Points I’d like to make:
1. Unless you see a sure-thing available in the draft, use your first round pick on a potential immediate starter. It too often is a waste to draft a QB in the first round. I’d aim for the third round, depending on what’s available.
2. Trade Matt Cain for Kerry Collins
3. Trade Alex Smith for Prince Fielder
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by JRPhillips on Nov 11, 2008 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry Collins
Finally a TRUE cleanup hitter!
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, first-rounders this year have worked out horribly.
Look at the horrible jobs Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan are doing!
Wait, their teams are 6-3?!?!
by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exception to the rule?
I mean, otherwise I didn’t realize that all the Niners needed to do was to draft Matt Ryan to face a completely distant reality than we’re in now!
How many first round quarterbacks work out that well in their rookie year? For every Peyton Manning, there’s a Ryan Leaf. For every Joe Flacco there’s two or three Alex Smiths. For every Matt Ryan and Ben Roethlisisisisislistheisberger, you’re going to see a good number of Akili Smiths, Tim Couches, Kyle Bollers, etc.
So the question I’d pose to you is, just how good do you think the rest of the Niners’ offense is? If the answer is, “It’s Frank Gore and the Blind Linemen, with backup vocals provided by the Meh Receivers” then I’d suggest passing on a QB in the first round and look for some people who can start in 2009 with your first and second picks. More often than not, picking a QB in the first round when your offense is crap is a great way to retard your QB’s development, so looking for an impact player at another position of need might be a better way to go in the first round. Then draft a QB in round two or three. This is of course, dependent on the quarterbacks available to us in the draft and just how good they project to be in the NFL.
I thought it was pretty well implied when I’d said, “Unless you see a sure-thing available in the draft…” but I didn’t mean it as a hard fast rule, more a general guideline. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
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by JRPhillips on Nov 11, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m just being difficult for fun. I actually tend to agree with you – don’t pick a QB in the first round (unless he’s a sure thing like Peyton Manning or Matt Ryan), don’t go for flash over substance (like Akili Smith, JaMarcus Russell, etc), and don’t play the QB right away (like David Carr, Tim Couch). Somehow, Flacco and Ryan are breaking those tenents and I have no idea how.
Really, draft the best player available (as long as it’s not an RB).
by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure how good the offenses are around Ryan and Flacco, but if they are pretty good, that’s about all you need. If you have a solid O line, a good RB, and receivers who are decent, you can step into a better situation than what a quarterback like… Oh shoot, I’m struggling for an example here… Someone like… Crud, who stepped into a crappy offense too soon recently? Well, while names escape me, a good offense, with consistency, protection, and some above average players, is the best formula for a quarterback to look decent.
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by JRPhillips on Nov 11, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flacco is pulling a Roethlisberger
He hasn’t been all that impressive but they’re winning a strong defense and a running game much like Big Ben did his rookie year. Some situations are a little better for rookie QB than others. I find it hard to believe that the Niners will have one of those situations next year.
Ryan on the other has just been hands down impressive.
by methodrampage on Nov 11, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know...
i dont think any college QB is a sure thing when it comes to the NFL. true some guys have talent but still have to be developed. Brady, Manning, Montana…..none of those guys were sure things going into the draft. from the first player to the last player taken, its all risk and reward because you never know how any player is really going to handle going pro. i go back to drafting alex smith. i think rogers would have been screwed here as well because its hard to develope a qb if he always has a different oc each year. i think that many qbs in the draft are better than others but not sure id ever call any qb i draft a sure thing. developement is key.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 12, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Manning was as close to a sure-thing as you could get. He had the history, the pedigree, and the physical talent. But he was the rarest of players coming out of college, to be sure. Brady getting drafted in like the 6th round is all the proof you need that he was no sure-thing coming out of college.
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by JRPhillips on Nov 12, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
manning
had a crazy amount of picks in his first few years. ill give you manning was the closest you get to a sure thing. the pedigree and all had a factor. but he still had to develop into a good pro qb.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 12, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I realized after including him on this list that his rookie year was the opposite of good. I actually expected someone to make that point when I said the whole, “For every Manning” bit… So let’s all scratch that one from the record.
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by JRPhillips on Nov 12, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
its just critics always get over critical of what qb is taken when what matters more is who will be coaching him. wether its marino, elway, montana, brady, manning it doesnt really matter. they have to have good coaches in order to succeed then comes the talent they already have.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 12, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obligatory defense of Couch
He’s still the only QB to take the Browns to the playoffs.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 12, 2008 4:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I think he was the last Browns QB to actually defeat the Steelers.
by Rishi on Nov 12, 2008 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, my argument doesn’t work so well if you offer “evidence” to the contrary. Stop that.
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by JRPhillips on Nov 12, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Ryan Leaf just get released???
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by Mike Hawk on Nov 10, 2008 2:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
SIGN HIM
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Nov 10, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i bet Wreffel is available...
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Akili Smith?
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by groug on Nov 10, 2008 4:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I loved Akli Smith at Oregon! And this is his real name, Kabisa Akili Maradufu Smith, crazy huh?
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by jbowl on Nov 10, 2008 4:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oops akili
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by jbowl on Nov 10, 2008 4:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dont know a whole lot about college quarterbacks, but what about Tebow, Chase Daniel, or Colt McCoy, or Graham Harrell? With how bad the Niners are doing this year, I dont think it is a stretch to think that we could be high enough on the draft board to get one of these guys. Like I said I dont know a lot about them, so what do you guys think?
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by jbowl on Nov 10, 2008 5:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
my $.02
Tebow has a decent arm but I think relies too heavily on running to be successful in the NFL…pass
I don’t know much about the others to be honest.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 10, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember, McCoy has said that he wants to stay in college another year. That might change, but he’s said it.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, ya I dont follow college ball well enough to know.
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by jbowl on Nov 10, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pro Tip: When calling someone else inept minded, you might want to spell it correctly. Otherwise, it’s pretty eronic.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 10, 2008 5:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Josh from Hollywood, you have been over at mccoveychrons, you know this guy uses sounding out instead of actual spelling. I mean c’mon Teschera.
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by jbowl on Nov 10, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey
at least he made one comment after posting this….
Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis
by wjackalope on Nov 11, 2008 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Give him a chance!
WOW! One game and your wanting Hills head what gives? You all seem to know more then the coaching staff(Martz) that continued to call bad plays. The running game was working for us. Your blame needs to fall in both Martz and a really bad defensive effort. We did manage to make AZ play catch up but getting in a shoot out was bad and look what happened we loose 29-24. Also how about penalties? Am I the only one who noticed that every time we did something right some bone head pulled some stupid half brained hold or jumped to get a fouls start? I thank the bottom line is this Martz and the pathetic piss pore defensive play along with STUPID!!! penalties that just make me want to go Elvis and shoot my TV!!! 2-14 here we come!!!!!!! stop blaming Hill he’s 1000 times better then JTO
by 49er lifer on Nov 11, 2008 6:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Urban Meyer/Tim Tebow in San Francisco?
Oh, let it be known. This might be the best idea the 49ers ownership has had in a while. Rumors that Meyer has been tapped as a “possible canidate” for the 49ers Coaching job next season. Also if this does occur, Tebow will probably opt up to the NFL, to be with his coach, after a championship and two heisman’s are probably enough for him.
I got to thinking…Alex Smith/Tim Tebow QB combination. Similar to the Leak/Tebow at Florida. You say Meyer can’t run the spread in the NFL? Didn’t the experts say he couldn’t run the spread in the SEC, and a championship and couple seasons later here he is. So I think Meyer could run a “version” of the Spread. Maybe a two TE spread offense.
Okay, and you say wait Alex Smith starter? Face it, no team really wants him, he’s under contract with SF, and I would think he’d opt for a pay cut, for a chance to be a starter and then if he does well, he’ll get it back. Smith stinks, you say. Look at this Spread offense: Utah, spread offense: Florida. And like Smith/Tebow who else strives in the spread? Martz of course.
So you ask, where is Singletary going? uh, Detroit? Cleveland, Houston, Cincinnati?
Don’t worry Meyer will get gore the ball in the spread. Meyer is very smart and I think is similar to Singletary in terms of coaching ethics and firing up troops. Though I don’t think Meyer would drop his pants…though who knows.
by mattman2900 on Nov 11, 2008 11:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Couple of points
1. Tebow isn’t winning any more Heismans. His team is better, but his individual numbers are much lower.
2. Even if we do bring in Meyer and a spread offense, Tebow’s “Rhino playing QB” mentality won’t work in the NFL. I’ve watched him play several times and I honestly can’t figure out why he’s so good. He’s not all that fast (fairly big for a QB though) and his throws don’t impress me.
3. The spread works in college because its easier to recruit better athletes at your skill positions than your opponents and beat them with pure speed. That advantage is lessened dramatically in the NFL. Not that it won’t work… but it wouldn’t see the same results as you are seeing in college right now.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 12, 2008 4:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"I’ve watched him play several times and I honestly can’t figure out why he’s so good."
Maybe you should learn something about football.
by methodrampage on Nov 12, 2008 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should quit being an ass
Honestly. Is reasoned discussion not welcome here?
Piss off.
That said… I do know one or two things about football. Tebow puts a lot of points on the board, there’s no denying that. What I’m saying is that if you watch his skill set he doesn’t have the blazing speed or lateral quickness of a Michael Vick in his Virginia Tech days or Dennis Dixon at Oregon last year. Additionally, he doesn’t throw the ball with the touch of a Colt McCoy or a Graham Harrell. He does however have a monster of an arm. If I had to compare him to someone, I would say he’s a thinner Jared Lorenzen.
He’s a fullback who can throw the ball a long way. He does not posess an NFL type skill set.
In the future, please take your mother’s advice. Unless you have something nice to say… keep your damn mouth shut. Or provide a reasoned discussion. We all like the 49ers here. Its not like you’re on some Oakland Raiders message board where its “cute” to be a jerk to everyone around.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 12, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try answering without being a douche:
Whereas Dixon and Vick were lateral runners, Tebow is a straight-forward power runner. He’s effective in short-yardage situations as a runner, whereas most QBs are not. And somehow, his body can take the beating. Dixon, Jake Locker, any Oregon QB – they can’t. Tebow has been battered around, yet he’s still not afraid to push his weight for that extra yard.
He’s also an effective passer. His passing efficiency and passing yards last year were great.
Yes, he has to have an offense adapted around him, but he is a phenomenal college QB.
The one knock I have on him is this – he lacks a certain level of moxie. He lacks “it”. A good college QB should have that spirit – from the phenomenal like Matt Leinart to our very own Shaun Hill. Tebow has not been able to bring his team back from a 4th quarter deficit.
by Rishi on Nov 12, 2008 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
This is a reasoned discussion.
In all fairness to Tebow… it hasn’t been necessary for him to lead them back in the 4th quarter very often. Even their one loss this year came at the last second to Mississippi and he didn’t have a chance to get back on the field. It does leave one to wonder if he can or can’t.
And yes… I often wonder if there’s not something in the water in Eugene that makes their QB’s breakdown.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 12, 2008 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The two examples that stick out to me are LSU last year and Ole Miss this year. How can Tebow get stuffed on a 4th and 1?
by Rishi on Nov 12, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On Oregon QBs
I forgot to address this one – it has everything to do with their offenses, run by Crowton and then by Chip Kelly that exposes the QBs to a high level of bodily harm. Watch Oregon this year – they almost never throw the ball.
by Rishi on Nov 12, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess what?
There’s more to football than blazing speed, lateral quickness and throwing the ball with touch.
by methodrampage on Nov 12, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm rarely a jerk to people that have some semblance of an idea about which they're talking
But let’s attempt to have a reasoned discussion shall we?
What about Tebow’s throws don’t impress you? He completes 66.3% of his passes and doesn’t turn the ball over.
Maybe Florida Danny can help me out but I don’t think “touch” has be proven to have anything to do with how good a quarterback is. However, completion percentage does. A while back Florida Danny wrote a post about the Lewin Career Forecast and how it’s used to project college QB’s for the NFL. But to summarize basically completion % over a long period of time (37+ collegiate starts at QB) is the best measuring stick for projecting how good a QB should be. Please correct me if I’m wrong Florida Danny, as it’s possible I missed the concept of your post. If Tebow sticks around for his senior season he should meet the LCF 37+ start criteria and if is completion % holds steady he’ll be over 65% (he’ll be a top 2 round draft too, fulfilled the last LCF criteria). Based strictly on passing ability he’s right in the same neighborhood as McCoy and Harrell. Also, its important to note that the worst NFL QB that has met the LCF is Super Bowl Champion Eli Manning. So frankly, there’s nothing wrong with Tebow’s passing ability.
As for Tebow’s running ability, it pretty much speaks for itself. He’s a mack truck, by QB standards, with plus speed for a QB (it may not be elite but it’s definitely plus speed) with great balance and vision. He also runs through contact. He might not burn you for 40+ yards runs but he’s damn good and picking up 5-20 yard chunks.
It really shouldn’t be that hard to understand why a QB that completes over 65% of his passes, that has a 6:1 passing TD:INT ration (over a 10.5:1 combined rushing/passing TD:INT ratio) and one that averages 4.3 yards per carry (averaging over 1 TD every 10 rush attempts) is good.
Lastly I’ll leave you with this.
by methodrampage on Nov 12, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor?
Where have you heard this rumor?
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by Fooch on Nov 12, 2008 8:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Google news has nothing. I wonder if it was more of a “it’s a good idea” transformed into a rumour.
by Rishi on Nov 12, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft Tebow!
He can be our starting fullback!
by Rishi on Nov 12, 2008 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If this happens...
I think they will keep Singletary as Coach and give Meyer the OC position since Martz is too crazy and pass happy to keep the job
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Nov 12, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And Meyer would use Tebow instead of utilizing Frank Gore.
by Rishi on Nov 12, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft Tebow!
So we can have more Shaun Hill in a year after he gets chewed up and digested by the intestinal system that is your 49er management. Taking nutritious QBs and producing crap for six seasons running!
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by LA49er on Nov 12, 2008 11:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
First off we definatley need a new Qb the QB’s we have now are nothing but a bunch of losers and thats one of the only reasons were losing.
As far as QB’s theres a good class of rookies coming up next year, and someone like tim tebow would be a good fit with the niners, . Other prospects id say is matt leinart, carson palmer, and I dought this would happen but mike vick’s coming back next season and our Off. would be tight with a scrambler like him out there.
Overall we need to get rid of the losers that we have no and get a real big name Qb thats gonna get us to the playoffs seeing as how we havnt been there since what 2001?
by Italian King on Nov 16, 2008 4:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hill is alright
The last thing we need to do is draft a QB #1 just because we think we have a need. We should only draft one if he is worthy of the pick. I think Hill is good enough to keep the team in a float until we can get a true franchise QB.
by fredfotch on Nov 17, 2008 12:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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