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Cardinals 29 - 49ers 24: I'm speechless

Why am I speechless?

How about a combined 20 penalties, 164 yards.  The referees were a joke tonight.

How about the play-caling to end the game.  Knowing you've got one play left and you have to pick between Frank Gore and ANYBODY ELSE.  And you go with anybody else.

How about the 49ers finding a new way to kick me in the junk.

I'm just speechless.

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pretty eloquent wording.

I, too, feel like I’ve been kicked in the junk.

by shlecko on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST reply actions  

perfect

I’m using that picture in the broader recap thread tomorrow if you don’t mind.

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by David Fucillo on Nov 10, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

To start this thread on a positive note

I really do think we have some young talent to build on

by foosball4949 on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST reply actions  

Like, a house, and, on top of?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2008 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I’m really glad to see Jason Hill get more chances…Zeigler had a great grab, Morgan had some big catches…Good to see Rachal get a chance.

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by David Fucillo on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Hill is a player

it WAS nice to finally see a young WR sort of pan out, but they really should have gone to him more.

by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

I've lost the will to talk football

I’m going to go take a handful of sleeping pills and call it a night.

Never forget: I am a complete idiot

by Exhibit G on Nov 10, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions  

At least we'll get a better draft pick...

Not a great way to lose but atleast it was entertaining until he end. I’m surprised they didn’t call aface mask on the last play. The dude had robinsons mask, it was obviously after he was stopped but with the amount of penaties they called I would not have been shocked.

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by The Thrill on Nov 10, 2008 9:21 PM PST reply actions  

Once the second half started, I didn’t even find it all that entertaining. I haven’t seen a shittier half all season. And, yes, I remember all of the shitty halves we’ve had this year.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

it wasn't a full half

but 4th quarter, Eagles game.

Game, set, match.

by Viliphied on Nov 11, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I love the effort. The guys were running and hitting...

and not just standing around watching the game come to them. Yeah, lots of penalties and some questionable play calling. But there is a shred of hope. They are playing better.

Like I said in another post, Rome was not built in a day.

I think we will see a better attitude from here on out.

by pfzilla on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM PST reply actions  

I'm on the Refs

Clements uses the shoulder of the opponent to stand up, and boom 15 yard unsportsman like…BS..the NFL wants stories and that means low ratings niners can’t win..I’m starting to smell WWE fake crap

by tanos135 on Nov 10, 2008 9:22 PM PST reply actions  

That was Martz's call? That man should be fried in hot oil for FINALLY going to the run game.

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by SSreporters on Nov 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

“What’s that they’re pouring down the muder hole? Is it hot oil?”

That’s actually one of my least favorite jokes from the new Futurama movie.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2008 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm out

boy, blowouts are so much easier to take than this. But if I’m honest, I do feel good about the team’s future. Sort of.

by bondslegend on Nov 10, 2008 9:31 PM PST reply actions  

not that this was the only reason they lost but...

1) no PI call when bruce gets tackled in the endzone
2) BS unsportsmanlike when vlade divac subs in on ARI O
3) call PI, say there’s no PI because of tip, coach challenges tip, play not challengeable because the ACTUAL reason for no PI, although we didn’t say it at the time, was tangled feet
4) call pick play as offensive PI on 49ers, do not call pick play as offensive PI a few plays later when breaston blocks before ball is in the air
5) umpire tackles gore on one play, then knocks down pass on another
6) ref resets clock to :04 because of challenge even though the previou play ended at :11, then signals that it’s 4th down even though it’s actually 3rd down, so 49ers can’t spike it

i’m sure i’m missing some, but, the refs were absolutely fucking horrible in this game, and the game-changing BS referee interventions were all against the 49ers

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 10, 2008 9:34 PM PST reply actions  

and

not calling intentional grounding on warner when he supposedly threw it to hightower, who was 7 yards away from the ball running in the other direction…sure they still would have had a chance at a FG, but it still reeks of crappy refereeing.

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

that one pissed me off

you could hear douchbag warner whining his ass off and the refs dare not upset kurt warner and his babe of a wife

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by 49erLou on Nov 11, 2008 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

don't forget

the completely blown challenge, where Hill clearly had both feet in bounds and control of the ball, but since he dropped it after hitting the ground he “never had full possession”

by Viliphied on Nov 11, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Who are you blaming on that?

Singletary for challenging or the refs? By rule it was an incomplete pass.

by methodrampage on Nov 11, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

well...

the refs didn’t call it a catch on the review because, as they explained, Hill “lost control before hitting the ground” – which, if you watch the replay, was bullshit. Contact with the ground is what caused the ball to pop loose, well after he got both feet in and went down.

by shlecko on Nov 11, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That's the rule

A WR has to maintain control of the ball when he hits the ground.

by methodrampage on Nov 12, 2008 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

hitting the ground

One thing I’m curious about though is the whole idea that the ground can’t cause a fumble. I’ve never quite clarified that rule in my own head. Any idea how that compares with making the reception and losing it when you hit the ground?

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by David Fucillo on Nov 12, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a cop-out

It’s an easy call to say that a WR never had possession when the ball squirts out upon him hitting the ground. But a receiver also has to make a “football move” to demonstrate possession. Does falling to the ground constitute a “football move”? Does maintaining control of the ball upon hitting the ground after you fell constitute a “football move”? Beats me, “football move” is one hell of an ambiguous term and frankly the ambiguity of the term helps the NFL Rules Committee cover their ass.

And generally speaking, the ground can’t cause a fumble because the player is already down, which makes sense. When you contact the ground with anything, less your feet or hands, you’re down (so like, maybe you’re down by contact a split second before the ball comes out).

From thinking this trough I’ve kind of confused myself as your typical ground can’t cause a fumble scenario involves a player being down by contact. But what if the player falls to the ground after making a “football move” and without being contacted by a defensive player and loses the ball. Is the ball live or is it dead at the spot where the player fell?

by methodrampage on Nov 12, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

hitting the ground

And in the case of Hill, he actually hit the ground with his knee, THEN his elbow hit the ground, THEN the ball came out. I double-checked it last night and that’s what happened. Unless they felt he never had full possession before then but I don’t think they did.

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by David Fucillo on Nov 12, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

But did he make a "football move"?

Whatever that means, but I’m guessing that the NFL does not recognize dragging your toes as your falling out of bounds as a “football move”.

by methodrampage on Nov 12, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

football move

That makes sense. Oh well, what are you gonna do. It would’ve been a fantastic catch.

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by David Fucillo on Nov 12, 2008 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

oh, i did forget one..

7) no facemask call on last play even though robinson got his helmet taken off

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 10, 2008 9:35 PM PST reply actions  

agreed...

…but right now i’m engaging in what we call “externalization”

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 10, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

These are the 08 Niners. If the refs don’t help us, we’re really not going to win because we sure as hell can’t seem to get out of our own way.

by baybruin415 on Nov 10, 2008 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

With one of the worst calls ever to end a game.

Thanks Martz. He did to say fine you want me to run, here you go. M rob right up the middle. While under his breath saying thats what you get for not making me H.C.

by The Golden One on Nov 10, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

31 seconds to get the ball spiked

That cost the game

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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2008 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah

but look at that- 3 straight completions to J. Hill. I think we found a good WR there.

by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2008 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

This whole team needs to be revamped from head to toe, starting with the Yorks........

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by SSreporters on Nov 10, 2008 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

i am honestly sick and tired of the...

“it’s the york’s fault” BS…should the seahawks be revamped up and down starting with the owner because they are as shitty as the 49ers this year?

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 10, 2008 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

The ownership is fine, it's Holmgren down that's the problem.

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by SSreporters on Nov 10, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

or it could be

that they’ve had decimating injuries all year to all their skill positions.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

honestly...

I don’t want to see, hear from, or think about football until next Sunday.

The 49ers just make me want to punch a bunny rabbit or something.

by shlecko on Nov 10, 2008 9:41 PM PST reply actions  

You'll beat the Rams.....maybe.

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by SSreporters on Nov 10, 2008 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Great games Niners Nation

Both of them were pretty spectacular. I figured this one was lost as that’s what the Cardinals historically have done in close ones. Strange end to the game, pretty ugly on multiple fronts.

Shaun Hill looked good. I hope he develops and can shine for the remainder of the season.

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by Hawkwind on Nov 10, 2008 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

Jason Hill and Frank Gore stumble short of the end zone.....anyone else notice that?

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by SSreporters on Nov 10, 2008 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

All i can say is

this is a bad start to the week, hopefully we can make something happen the rest of the year, 6-10,7-9 hopefully is what happens, and gore scored, screw the refs, but lets jst keep our heads up

by Dub4lif3 on Nov 10, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

There was 17 secs left after gore went down.

If they said it was a review. Why did the clock restart at 4 secs??

by The Golden One on Nov 10, 2008 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

Ugh.

Hill screaming and yelling at the guys, directing them himself to get them lined up for that twenty second spike. Give me a break. That’s insulting that it falls on him to make sure these “pros” know how to line up for a spike.

Also, wtf at the ref playing defense for the Cardinals and getting all over Gore twice?

And why why why.. I love Robinson, he’s an awesome, all-around good football player but not the guy to go to there.

It was third down at the end, right? They should’ve spiked it so they could actually get some playcalling in. All that Shaun could concentrate on was when to start the play, I doubt he even knew who he was handing off to. Robinson was probably surprised he had the ball.

by James Brady on Nov 10, 2008 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

see above...

the play ended at :11, should have been reset to that

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 10, 2008 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

I was just looking at the replay on tv

There was actually alot more than that when the ref ran on the field pointing he was down.

by The Golden One on Nov 10, 2008 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he really signal 4th down at the end??

didnt see it, but if so, that explains why they didnt spike it again

by The Golden One on Nov 10, 2008 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

he did

it even said 4th down on the little TV graphic for a second

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Nov 11, 2008 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not speechless

The reason the 49ers lost this game is simple: PISS POOR COACHING!

Penalties, clock management and playcalling all fall onto the coaches. Yes, the team played hard, and that awful Shuan Hill shovel “pass” isn’t their fault, but WHY THE FUCK ARE WE RUNNING THE BALL WITH NO TIMEOUTS AND THE CLOCK WINDING DOWN??? I know I don’t know as much about football as Martz and Singletary, but even I knew that running the ball there was doomed to failure. Even after the first run, why run it right up the middle against a stacked line? That just doesn’t make sense. And if I knew that ahead of time, why the fuck didn’t Martz or Singletary???

I’m sick of this fucking team. They are a bunch of idiots.

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by Nosetackle Supreme on Nov 10, 2008 9:48 PM PST reply actions  

Unless you’re talking of end-game clock management, that falls on the entire offense, save for Shaun Hill because he was screaming at everyone to do their job and line up.

by James Brady on Nov 10, 2008 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Bad Coaching????

man Mike Singletary probably coached the best game of the season, its just some bad calls

by Dub4lif3 on Nov 10, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree totally...

definite evidence that singletary has these guys playing much harder (except for VD quitting on that deep pass)

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

vernon davis is a rat

i’m glad someone finally brought up him quitting on that perfectly thrown deep pass in the 3rd with over 340 left. davis is a bitter rat who now, obviously, has issues with singletary. he is a parasitic cancer that must be removed. martz is a sneaky subversive too. both should go. they’re both a cancer to this team.

by redrum21225 on Nov 10, 2008 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

meant

meant to say over 8:40 left.

by redrum21225 on Nov 10, 2008 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

but he made a pretty damn good catch to get that TD, even holding on to it while taking a pretty good hit

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Nov 11, 2008 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea cant blame him

Can blame Martz for the last play and the wastes of time. Dont change personal to spike the ball. Spike the ball, then change personal if u want

by The Golden One on Nov 10, 2008 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Singletary said he let Martz make all the calls.

That Martz said he thought somethin would be open up the middle there. not sure why the hell he would think that

by The Golden One on Nov 10, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Because he is a running game genius

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by SSreporters on Nov 10, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

my conspiracy theory

Thanks Martz. He did to say fine you want me to run, here you go. M rob right up the middle. While under his breath saying thats what you get for not making me H.C.

by The Golden One on Nov 10, 2008 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Whatever. You don’t throw two picks in the fourth, or maybe you execute and get a snap off before 35 seconds have run off the clock, or maybe you run a bootleg or take DeShaun Foster off tackle on the last play of the game, or maybe you play a little bump and run in the red zone, or maybe you don’t commit the obvious penalties that the refs did call correctly….

Any single one of those things happens and we probably win this game without much trouble. The refs were awful, but I have a hard time complaining about them when the teams were worse.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2008 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

But I think that was the first time I’ve ever seen a team ran an entire sub package onto the field just to spike the ball. Why they didn’t just spike the ball with the unit they had already on the field, and then sub in their goal line package is beyond me.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 10, 2008 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

hill said on knbr he was getting...

“spike, spike, spike” in his helmet, which i’m assuming was coming from martz…someone else had to have called for the goalline personnel…unless martz was intentionally sabotaging the team by calling both…which is entirely possible

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Nov 10, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

martz

upset they didnt go for it on 4th an 1 earlier

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by 49erLou on Nov 11, 2008 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm a sad panda

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by groug on Nov 10, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply actions  

Like two retards in a who-can-shit-themselves-hardest competition.

Worst two minute drill I’ve ever seen. Even Andy Reid said that was fucking retarded.

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by marcello on Nov 10, 2008 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

What did we learn?...

Singletary got these guys ready to play and compete

We still need help on the offensive line

We could have won if we didn’t turn the ball over

What has changed? NOTHING. I knew it before we fired Nolan. This team doesn’t need a new coach. We just need a quarterback that won’t turn the ball over. And 2 O-linemen and 1 D-lineman will help too. Turnovers have been the direct cause of all of our losses this year. If we expect to win a game then we have to fix the turnover issue.

I think I pulled my swagger muscle...

by BawLa on Nov 10, 2008 10:23 PM PST reply actions  

Singletary got these guys ready to play [shitty] and compete [with a team that also played shitty]

Fixed it!

The following portion of this comment was written before I read the rest of your comment… whoops….

Seriously, the team played badly. Shaun Hill was better than JTO if you squint. The defense was soft, the discipline was almost non-existent, and the time-management was as bad as ever. The only reason we were in this game is that the cardinals blew every oppotunity that they had to start running away from it by committing a crippling penalty.

The only thing that I take from this that’s even remotely positive is that Singletary appears (for whatever that’s worth) to be commanding some small shreds of sanity out of Mike Martz.

Maybe that’s harsh. They played pretty well in the first half. The second half was so god-awful, though.

The following portion of this comment was written after I read the rest of your comment…

Oh, we’re more or less on the same page then… whoops…. It appears that the key problem with this team is, in fact, simply that the players are not very good.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2008 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Still,

much much much better than 2007. That does not make me happy, but it’s still something. Frustrating 5 point losses are better than total, utter blowouts. Say what you will, but at least the team finally sort of kind of looked like they belonged on an NFL field…maybe.

by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2008 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Better than 2007?

2007: Two victories against the Arizona Cardinals
2008: Zero victories against the Arizona Cardinals

2007: Record of 2-7 through nine games
2008: Record of 2-7 through nine games

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by groug on Nov 11, 2008 1:40 AM PST up reply actions  

ouch

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Nov 11, 2008 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Counterpoint:

2007: Zero victories against the Lions
2008: One victory against the Lions

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Last drive:

First 22 seconds = 3 pass plays, 50+ yards
Next 24 seconds = 1 spike
Last 20 seconds = 2 runs, 0 yards

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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 10, 2008 10:33 PM PST reply actions  

we're all fools

if we think the yorks want this team to win. they don’t.

by redrum21225 on Nov 10, 2008 10:45 PM PST reply actions  

Yorks called that last play?

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by Hawkwind on Nov 10, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I only see one fool.

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by marcello on Nov 10, 2008 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope it’s not me.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2008 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he sees two fools

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by groug on Nov 11, 2008 1:27 AM PST up reply actions  

OK you little whiners

AZ was the better team going in, and they actually gave this game to the niners with stupid penalties, and a bad prevent defense. Niners just refused to take it.

It was very sloppy on both sides, and they refs called 20 freakin’ penalties… every single call I saw on TV they got correct. Some of the stuff was ticky-tack, but on both sides (and there’s always some ticky-tack). And you are complaining that they didn’t CALL ENOUGH PENALTIES?

Shawn Hill MUST play mistake free, ‘cause he sure as hell ain’t a playmaker (although the cards forgetting to cover the other HIll in the last minute was pretty spectacular)

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by zenbitz on Nov 10, 2008 10:56 PM PST reply actions  

Just watched the Game tivo'ed

I just died inside a little bit

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Nov 10, 2008 11:42 PM PST reply actions  

Here's something that was overlooked

for the first time in 3 years, we didn’t get blown out following a bye week during a road game. A plus!

by bondslegend on Nov 11, 2008 12:12 AM PST reply actions  

A plus? More like C minus!

Amirite!

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by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2008 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey

I was entertained. And they played hard.

by Bob In Beaverton on Nov 11, 2008 7:48 AM PST reply actions  

My exact sentiments

Right now I’m just rooting for close, entertaining games that the Niners lose.

by methodrampage on Nov 11, 2008 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

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