Cardinals 29 - 49ers 24: A few hours later
The game ended a few hours ago and I'm finally calm enough to ponder what was, what might have been and what has yet to be. My "I'm speechless" post generated plenty of discussion about the good, the bad and the ugly. Clearly the final play calls and the penalties were simply ridiculous. Given the tone of Mike Singletary's press conferences to date, I'd expect some clarification on what went down in the final minute of the game. Any time it takes you 30 seconds to spike the football, there is clearly some serious confusion.
In the meantime, I want to look at the positives that came out of this game. As pfzilla (and I'm sure some other famous people) stated, "Rome was not built in a day." Given the debacle that the first eight games were, it's not surprising that everything didn't turn out perfect in one game. However, I saw plenty to keep me somewhat encouraged (yes, it's the sucker in me rearing its head).
Heading into the bye week, one major concern was whether some of Mike Singletary's emotional displays would lead to him losing the team. A struggling team might have viewed the de-pantsing and many of his comments as ridiculous and just said, screw this season. However, this game indicated that is not the case. This team has fight in them and I think they showed the spirit of their head coach.
This game was billed by many as more or less the coronation of the Arizona Cardinals as the 2008 NFC West champions. While the win gives them a virtually insurmountable lead, the 49ers clearly did not get the memo to roll over. They came out with the equivalent of a stunning first round knockdown when Allen Rossum ran back the opening kickoff for a touchdown. Whether it was Frank Gore bouncing out for a few extra yards, or Shaun Hill's extraordinary helmet-less run for the first down, the team came to Arizona to win. They were gonna be nobody's dog.
While they came up just short in a stomach-punch of an ending, numerous players deserve kudos for impressive efforts. First and foremost, Jason Hill showed us something we had yet to see up to this point. He displayed some impressive hands, some solid moves, and a general ability to make plays as a wide receiver, finishing with 7 receptions for 84 yards. Josh Morgan had a nice catch for a touchdown and Dominique Zeigler had a rather huge catch that kept the second to last drive alive a little bit longer. Maybe the 49ers don't have the answer yet at wide receiver, but the young trio showed some impressive stuff.
I won't say Shaun Hill had a great game, or even a particular good game for that matter. He threw a pair of interceptions and gave up a costly fumble. However, no matter what the final play calls were, he clearly was trying to get everyone together on that last drive. I'm very curious to hear what he and Martz have to say about what went down.
A loss is never a good thing. The 49ers were in prime position to steal a win in Arizona as the Cardinals did everything they could to hand the 49ers this game. Unfortunately the 49ers play-calling and some rather curious refereeing decisions ended that hope. Earlier yesterday I discussed the potential for redemption of this season. This was certainly not the exact type of result I was expecting. Before the game I figured a win would have meant a chance to do good things this season and a loss meant it as time to pack it in.
And yet, the 49ers found a third option. The loss that leaves a sick feeling in your stomach, but some relative optimism. It drives me crazy to try and find some optimism in all this because I know I'm just setting myself up for another stomach-punch loss. I sometimes feel like I'd be more productive just banging my head against the wall. And yet, I truly feel there is something there. It might require firing Mike Martz before next season to make it happen, but who knows.
It's really hard to describe the feeling, which might be why this feels a little more like a rambling, incoherent mess than a normal recap post. It's amazing how conflicted I feel about this game. The optimist/realist dichotomy is just chewing me up.
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Look at the Positives and Correct the Negatives
I think that Fooch summed it up best with using the word “disbelief”.
I sat in my chair stunned after the game ended wondering if I maybe didn’t see the last 30 seconds right. Five minutes off sitting staring at the TV later I turned off the game walked up stairs and went to bed not sure if I had just witnessed the most gut wrenching loss ever of what I had seen. I have been a 49er Fan since ’84 and have seen, even in the glory days, my share of horrible losses. I remember one playoff loss to the Vikings of I think around 49-0!
But this morning as I started my day I began to feel better and better about last nights game.
Let’s look at the postives-
Coaching- Up until the last 30 seconds, which was undeniably painful to watch, I thought that the game plan was solid. I saw adjustments being made both on offense and defense and I saw a high power Cardinal offense being held somewhat in check.
QB- Shaun Hill executed the game plan very well. With the exception of the bone head interception in the 49ers end of the field I thought his throws looked good and he avoided the sack!!! Throw the ball away don’t take a 7 yd loss and lineup for 2nd or 3rd down. He did this very well. I can even excuse his shovel pass attempt in the 4th quarter. He was trying to make a play and if Gore doesn’t turn around to block (not his fault) and worst maybe the pass is an incompletion.
Gore- Gore ran with his normal enthusiam. He is a game breaker and needs the ball 20+ carries a game. I don’t think anything else needs to be said here.
The WR’s- Even the crankiest 49er fan, and there were a lot of you last night, should feel optomistic about the WR core. I think that Jason Hill and Josh Morgan are going to be just fine. Hopefully we can pull of a couple more wins this year so we don’t feel forced to draft Michael Crabtree. How is that type of mentality working for the Lions.
Offensive Line- Not bad all in all. Kept getting slammed up the middle. But the coaching staff made some adjustments and kept a back in later in the game to help with this.
Defensive Line- Not much of a pass rush but at least they kept Hightower in check.
Secondary- Good job I think overall keeping those talented WR’s of Arizona’s in check.
For those 49ers Fans who can’t find the positives in this game I feel sorry for you. The refs didn’t steal this game. The coaching staff didn’t blow this game. The York’s didn’t give away this game (I am with some previous commenters on the last post who thinks that this is getting old and needs to stop). We got beat by a better team last night. Are we as talented as the Cardinals…I think that we have some terrific playmakers- just a bit of solid coaching and maybe a few upgrades on the lines away from being there.
Don’t give up hope!!!
Now let’s go get the Rams!
by Niner Fan Lost in WI on Nov 11, 2008 6:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am hesitant to blame referees for losses
But that was simply ludicrous refereeing last night. There were a number of back-breaking calls that really could have helped them win last night had they been called correctly. That being said, at the end of the game they obviously couldn’t get their stuff together to win, and that’s on the coaching staff. I didn’t see the last 4 minutes (other than the highlights on nfl.com), but that they had no timeouts at that point goes to show the mismanagement of time goes beyond Mike Nolan. I know they used one earlier in the 4th quarter that seemed unnecessary, but I don’t know the situations in which the other two were used.
I feel very positive about Shaun Hill’s performance. That was a huge game last night with tons of pressure, and he performed admirably. He made some fantastic throws, and ultimately one very boneheaded play (the shovel pass for INT) that cost them the game. He showed a lot of heart, and that 10-yard, 3rd down draw was just fantastic. One thing that concerned me, though, is the return to the 7-step drop. I know Martz typically uses this in his offense, but one of Hill’s main strengths is his quick decision making, and I think the huge drop backs took away that strength.
And regarding Gore’s last run, did the DL on the edge that stuck his arm out supposedly be the player that tackled Gore? Because if not, that’s a TD. It’s difficult to tell on the streaming highlights on teh internets.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 7:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
oh and
Eff Dish DVR for stopping the recording early because the time block alloted was up. There’s got to be a way for them to figure out how to keep recording the game until its over…
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
I’ve had several different DVR’s some allow you to set the specific time range so you could change the recording time from 5:30 – 8:30 to 5:30 – 9:00 or 5:30 – 9:30 or some let you add addition time at the end. I’ve got to believe your DVR’s got the same kind of function but if not you could always CYA by recording what ever is supposed to come on after the game.
by methodrampage on Nov 11, 2008 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I've got dish network...
Whenever I’m recording a game, I set it to record well after the “end of the program”.
In the menu under timers, you can set it to do this for one event or all events (mine is 60 mins extra on all NFL Football events).
by shlecko on Nov 11, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hill actually made 3 boneheaded throws, not even including the shovel. If not for the Cardinals being even more boneheaded, they would have been up 37 – 24 with the two interception returns that got called back. I don’t think he showed very much with his arm, but at least in the first half he showed a lot with his head.
And he did a great job in the pocket. I’d be loathe to say that he played a good game, but I’d be stupid to say that he didn’t do good things.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2008 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
About those two INTs called back b/c of offsides...
The first one, he was being tackled as he came down, which altered the throw, hard to blame him for that. The second one would have been bonheaded as well, however I wonder if the receiver didn’t give up on the play b/c of the flag? I can’t say for sure b/c I haven’t seen it since last night.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what egregious calls are you talking about?
the refs were throwing flags all over the place, and while there were several close ‘judgement’ calls, I thought they were pretty evenly split.
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by zenbitz on Nov 11, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
aside from the BS offensive interference call on Boldin
I’m having trouble thinking of bad calls going the Niners way
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was actually
the only really crap call I saw, and it wasn’t that bad, just ticky-tack. There were calls that went against us, but I think they were all correct.
I think there were 3 times where a niner reciever
a) was ran into by his own guy
b) ran into the ref
c) got feet tangled (“the tipped pass non-challenge”)
c) was “irregular” as they made a call, then changed it with a no-challenge, but in the end, it did look like “feet tangling”
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN
by zenbitz on Nov 11, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
There was the blatant PI against Bruce in the end zone that was missed (both Tirico and Jaws pointed out it was a terrible missed call), but the Niners ended up scoring TD on that drive anyway.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 11, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, that was the VD TD drive?
I had to watch Buzz Lightyear for a little while there.
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by zenbitz on Nov 11, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
vernon davis?
anyone care to comment on vernon davis and that route that he quit on to blow hill’s perfectly thrown pass leading into the end zone? great that you folks here always look for the positive, but the only way for a team to get better is to analyze the negative, also. jesus
by redrum21225 on Nov 11, 2008 7:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
are you a 49ers fan?
if so, you’ll understand that the past ten years have been full of negativity. This is a more interesting team that is much closer to competency than any in the past 6 years. So forgive us if we feel like we need som positive thoughts to stay sane.
Davis played much better than he has all year, I think. Yeah, he didn’t lay out for that end zone pass, but there was no guarentee he could have gotten it anyway. He made a hell of a catch on his TD play, and I noticed some solid blocking once again.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
am i a fan?
why yes, yes i am. have been a 9er fan since 85. and i’m just as sick n tired as everyone else. so i understand looking at the few positives to escape the myriad of negatives. i get that. but davis TANKED that play. do you play football? are you an athlete? i am. and that douche bag was RIGHT THERE. even as he was slowing down he was still close enough to make a play on it. i think davis has a vendetta against singletary now. only reason he shouldve given up on that play is if he heard some imaginary whistle in his stupid little head!
by redrum21225 on Nov 11, 2008 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
didn't mean to offend you...
you said, “great that you folks here…”, so I wasn’t sure if you were a fan of a different team.
No, I’m out of college so I don’t play football. But that doesn’t invalidate my analysis of the game. Like someone else said somewhere here…maybe he didn’t see the ball come, I don’t know. I have a hard time believing that he “has a vendetta against Singeltary” when he made a fantastic effort on the TD catch. Why did he play hard when making his blocks if he’s got a vendetta? I could be wrong, of course, but I give him the benefit of the doubt on that play. I don’t think he was sabotaging the team, but rather either didn’t see it clearly or maybe thought it was going out of bounds and had no chance at it.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“I have a hard time believing that he "has a vendetta against Singeltary" when he made a fantastic effort on the TD catch.”
Yeah, that’s a mighty strange vendetta where you go all out, make great TD catch, hug your coach, then purposely not catch another TD just to spite him. I’m as frustrated and pissed off about that play as anyone, but to call it a vendetta is just silly.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 11, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How's VD getting noticed in the NFL?
For some good blocking? No!
For making a very good TD catch, getting pounded, then doing the same bone-headed crap that got his butt kicked off the field 2 weeks ago.
For not even trying to catch an extremely catchable ball for a sure TD. He had the same lack of effort in, I believe, the Lions game. It’s as if he can’t see the ball over his shoulder or he is unwilling for some reason to even try to make those catches.
Look, how many games do all of you VD fans and apologizers need to open your eyes that this guy’s freakish physical abilities can’t overcome his failure to launch in the brain and/or heart area? Game after game, year after year, “It looks like he’s coming around…,” or “The new coach will motivate/teach him…,” or “He’s too talented to get rid of.” See the pattern yet?
by StepUp on Nov 11, 2008 8:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm far from a VD apologist
In fact I don’t think he’ll be worth re-signing when his contract’s up. I just think that play was a bad example of his not being a good TE. From what I saw, he made a good effort the rest of the game, so I don’t think it’s fair to say OMG HE ISNT TRYING LETZ GIT RID OF HIM!!
And so what if he’s not getting noticed for blocking? Do we really care if the NFL “notices” him? If he’s doing a solid job of blocking, that’s a good thing. I would agree that being a good blocker does not justify his contract, but it should be noted that he at least does that well.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Change those rosey glasses...
He’s a bust as a, I believe, #6 pick. Even if he were the #46 pick, what enamors him to you when he makes 1 good play, then 2 boneheads, and repeats those same actions on a consistent basis? Have his actions changed for the better? No. Have his actions/inactions cost the team points? Yes.
Look, the best way to predict the future is to look into the past. The future for VD will likely be as a guy with freakish abilities that were never fullfilled because of his head/heart problem. If you are happy waiting around for VD to “come around,” then you will be sorely disappointed. He will continue to tease with his 1 great play, to be followed by his several bonehead plays. Sorry, but we need guys who can produce CONSISTENTLY, with our without freakish physical traits.
by StepUp on Nov 11, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you even read what I said?
I’ll repeat it:
I’m far from a VD apologist. In fact I don’t think he’ll be worth re-signing when his contract’s up.
I never said I was enamored with him. I never said I wanted to wait to see if he comes around. I have never led anyone to believe that I think he’s lived up to his contract or will ever do so. In fact, I am disappointed with how he’s turned out, and I do believe he’s a bust as a #6 pick. That being said, he is a good blocker, for whatever little it may be worth. I don’t know how the salary cap would be affected if he was released, but I lean towards just keeping him towards the end of the contract, especially if he finally figures out that he won’t get paid by someone unless he gets it together, and give us one solid year. I wouldn’t be upset if he was released or traded, but I just don’t think it’s out of the question to hang on to him at this point.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, I read it...
You said one of VD’s boneheads “was a bad example of his not being a good TE.” How many examples do we need for them to add up to “not being a good TE?” Some players, you put up with some “quirky” stuff because they are game-changers and impact players. Has VD won games or positively impacted games for wins?
“He made a good effort the rest of the game, so I don’t think it’s fair to say OMG HE ISNT TRYING LETZ GIT RID OF HIM!!” Well, I didn’t say get rid of him. I believe the 9ers should release him at the end of the year, though, or find some GM blinded enough by his “potential” that they give up a 4th -6th rounder. And what effort did VD give on the long pass? Are going to accept effort some of the time? My gosh, he had a chance to make a spectacular play for a TD! He coulda been a hero! Instead, he’s a zero!
You’re still blinded when you say “but I lean towards just keeping him towards the end of the contract, especially if he finally figures out that he won’t get paid by someone unless he gets it together.” Sorry.
by StepUp on Nov 11, 2008 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Releasing him or trading him
equates to getting rid of him. And when I said that, it wasn’t necessarily directed towards you, it just seems the general consent of the fanbase today.
In regards to the missed opportunity in the end zone, are we so sure it was catchable? And honestly, we don’t really know what was going on—he may have not seen it or thought he couldn’t get to it in bounds, or you could be right that he didn’t try. The truth is, we don’t know, and I don’t think it’s fair to categorize this game as one where he tried to sabotage the offense or didn’t put forth an effort, because the rest of the game contradicts those statements.
I would be open to trading him, but I don’t think a 4th-6th rounder would be worth it. Davis at least provides adequate to average performance at the position, and that’s more than you’ll probably get from a 4th – 6th rounder. Just because he’s not spectacular or living up to his contract doesn’t mean we should just give him away. If the team is hurting for money, then maybe, but it’s my understanding that that is not the case at this time. At this point, I think unless you can get maybe a second rounder for him from someone, it would be better to hold on to him than just give him away.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sabotage?
No, I don’t think VD’s sabotaging or has any ulterior motive. That’s a huge issue if an athlete did that. However, effort/lack of vision/stupid mistakes/etc? Yes.
You might give VD the benefit of the doubt if this were the first time he forgot to put his hands out and try to catch a ball, but he did it in the Detroit game, too.
I hope we could get a 2nd rounder for him, and there are probably salivating GM’s in the league that may pay such a price. I’d expect a 4th -6th, though, as a more realistic price. Again, VD has a legacy now, and it’s of mediocre stats for a #6 pick, which spells bust/unfullfilled potential.
by StepUp on Nov 11, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
re:Vernon Davis not extending out...
Is it possible that he didn’t see the ball until it was too late. Maybe he needs his eyes checked. I may be pulling at straws but I can’t believe that he wouldn’t just reach out his hands.
by Niner Fan Lost in WI on Nov 11, 2008 8:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Calling Dr. Scott Hyver!
And I heard another explanation. Maybe VD is so muscle-bound that he physically can’t extend his arms. I can’t say that I can recall him ever extending himself on a pass catch attempt. Whenever the ball comes his way Davis seems to have to wrestle it to catch it. Walker actually looks like better pass catcher, if that makes any sense.
by Bob On The Coast on Nov 11, 2008 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Maybe VD is so muscle-bound that he physically can’t extend his arms"
Seriously, let’s not be completely boneheaded. He extended his arms and reached over Adrian Wilson for his TD catch. To say that someone is so muscle bound that he can’t extend his arms is ludicris. How the hell does he work his triceps out if he can’t extend his arms? He either didn’t see the ball or he was being lazy.
by methodrampage on Nov 11, 2008 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
s a r c a s m
you boob
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Nov 11, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It gets hard
To filter some sarcasm out of the nonsense that people spew out regularly. But I’m not quite ready to give Bob the benefit of the doubt here.
by methodrampage on Nov 11, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They need to pump him up to the football world...
to raise his value and then trade him. We have serviceable TE’s on the team that can catch and block. We could trade him for an O-Lineman etc. Someone that will add depth to the team instead of take up space.
How will we know if that throw could be caught?!? There was one good camera angle (side angle) that had me sold. I thought most of our receivers would have followed through with the route AND after extending would have made Prime Time with that one. Davis was being Miss Priss because it didn’t hit him in the hands and retaliated by not catching it. Get rid of him!
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by TripTheNinja on Nov 11, 2008 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've heard, Walker's not much of a blocker
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think VD would make a good Tackle?
"We'd like to think that tickets will be hard to come by." Bill Walsh
by TripTheNinja on Nov 11, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My point
was just that we may not have other TEs that can block well, and that is something that is material considering how poor their offensive line is blocking at this point.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was just some sarcasm.
I get your point clearly. The need all the blocking they can get.
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by TripTheNinja on Nov 11, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking
It was much like a receiver that goes over the middle and pulls up because he is going to get hit. Kind of looked like he glanced at the guy coming from the right and thats why he pulled up.
by Athletix Man on Nov 11, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My overall take
I thought it was a great game to watch. The team played hard. I lay the loss on Martz. There was no reason for mass substitutions prior to spiking the ball. Dumb. That wasted something like twenty seconds. If they’d done it properly the Niners would have had time for another play. And I think by now that the page of the playbook with the “Michael Robinson up the middle” play should have been burned. f
The negatives? Well, can Vernon Davis be taught to think? He’s going to have to catch a lot of TDs to make up for all the bonehead penalties he gets. While Warner’s quick release makes it even harder to get to him than the average quarterback, could someone on the Niners’ staff figure out a pass rush?
I think that the biggest positive of last night was, ironically, that they lost. Going in at 2-6 they weren’t going to win the division, and that’s what they needed to do to get to the playoffs. At 2-7 there’s no excuse not to play the young guys, to see what kind of talent they have for next year. Boy, they are a couple of seniors in the defensive backfield I’d like to see sitting in favor of the youngsters.
This was actually a very entertaining game. How long has it been since anyone could say that? And I have a little hope that the team is actually going in the right direction.
by Bob On The Coast on Nov 11, 2008 8:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not Quite Ready for Prime Time
Bad teams find ways to lose winnable games.
We have a somewhat better HC, a somewhat better QB, and somewhat better effort all around… BUT WE ARE STILL A LOSING TEAM.
S.Hill played mostly a decent game, but the brain fart shovel pass to Adrian Wilson was a thing of pure horror.
Martz seems AFAIK to have been responsible for ordering S.Hill to spike the ball at the 2, then sending in a substitution package so that it took 30 seconds to get lined up and set, and then to spike. HORRIBLE coaching mistake. It took at least one potential down away from us at the end.
I actually can agree with the run by Gore to the outside. Okeafor barely got a hand on Frank, certainly wouldn’t have tackled him with that 99% of the time. But Gore was already stumbling and off balance and basically went down on his own.
Last play to Robinson was ludicrous. We have NEVER gotten short yardage running in the McNolan era. There was no reason to go up the middle. If you’re going to run, go wildcat with the direct snap and let Robinson run the option: run it in, throw the pass, or pitch it to Gore. With AZ stacked at the line in the middle it would have been better to go for the edge. Better yet just have Shaun Hill roll out and either take it in himself or toss it to Jason Hill who was on fire on that drive.
Good things? Jason Hill can play WR. Too bad Nolan kept him on the bench for two years.
Chilo Rachal has a future at RG.
Morgan is still looking for his breakout. Good talent but poor consistency. At least he has talent.
Zeigler can play WR in this league too.
Defensive intensity was better.
Good special teams play as usual.
Bad things:
No forced turnovers, and we made 3 of our own.
O-line was a little better, no sacks, some nice blocks, but still soft in the middle when it counted.
VD is VD. Nice TD catch, then makes a stupid penalty. Then totally punks out on a catchable ball that should have been the winning TD with 8 minutes left. WEAK.
Coaching showed more intensity. Martz called 59 minutes of a good game then basically screwed the pooch in the last 50 seconds. But if you can’t trust him in crunch time, you can’t trust him. Tom Rathamn for 2009 OC!
Still no pass rush… which exposed:
Walt Harris can’t cover any more. Boldin had him for lunch all night.
Coverage was too soft on the last Cardinals’ drive. Probably the coaches don’t trust Harris to press the WRs any more.
All in all, about what I expected… better effort, sabotaged by a continuing lack of talent at some positions and a coaching staff which has its own problems.
Nothing I see here makes me think its going to get much better than 4-12.
by Grumpy Guy on Nov 11, 2008 8:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
thanks
for callin davis out. that dude is a cancer on this team. he should be removed immediately before his diseasse spreads even more.
by redrum21225 on Nov 11, 2008 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CANCER!!!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like our 2008 49ers.
We snatched defeat from the jaws of victory- In the name of Mike Nolan, Mike Martz had to keep tradition flowing.
The fighting attitude deserves some kudo’s though. I think they identified one of our problems and zapped it. The team seems to be playing with character and a purpose now. They’re finding an fighting identity. Sing is getting more play out of his players than any coach since Mooch. I know they can build on it.
I’m looking for the Niners to also zap a few more problems with thorough examination and careful planning. It’s possible to get a QB, more talent on the O-Line, a pass rusher, and help in the secondary during the off-season. Even Emmet Smith and Steve Young wants to play for Singletary! Young could add to the gray-bearded QB pool and lead us for a year while mentoring a young QB (kidding).
I think Martz was worthy as an experiment (in my minds eye) however he is old news. Unfortunately we need a new system… again. You could see it in Sing’s eyes that he was completely frustrated with Martz last night. The positive in this situation is that they can start looking for a long-term and competent OC now. Also, any new offense will be easy to learn in comparison to learning this years offense.
After watching this game, I’m still hopeful and confident that the Niners are identifying the problems and becoming more realistic on how to overcome them. We just need yet… more time. Our axe is small but it’s swinging.
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by TripTheNinja on Nov 11, 2008 8:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
shovel pass
I’ve watch a lot of Packer games in the last ten years (my partner is from near Green Bay) and seen more than one where Brett Favre threw, or shoveled, an ill-conceived pass that was intercepted and cost the game. The explanation has always been he’s trying to do too much. While Hill lacks the experience to instinctively know when to hold the ball and take what you get rather than extend the play with a risky throw, I think he showed a lot of heart. This was only the third start of his career. He’s going to make mistakes, but if Hill is allowed to start the next seven games he may turn into a pretty good quarterback.
by dianemarie on Nov 11, 2008 8:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am UnleashTheGore and I approve this comment.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not all Turnovers are built equally...
I felt that, apart from his first INT, Shaun Hill did his best not to give up. Helmetless run, buying time with his feet, not getting sacked, getting rid of the ball. A stark contrast from what I’ve seen from Just TurnOvers.
The fumble was not his fault – that was Baas bumping into him. The shovel pass was incomplete, but he was really trying to make a play. He shoulda gotten rid of it, but I’m glad that the turnover came about that way as opposed to the sack-and-fumble play that JTO always audibles at the line of scrimmage.
by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing about Baas
but he actually had lost control of the snap before Baas even came near him. Baas just hit it in a different direction. Looks like the snap just went straight to his chest and through his hands.
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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 11, 2008 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, I need to watch the film again. I remember it as Baas knocking the ball out of Hill.
by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a joint effort
Bad snap, bad grab, pulling guard knocks it silly.
He played bad enough to barely win (or as it turned out, lose). I was thinking maybe JTO wouldn’t be that bad, since his highlights are much better than Hill’s. But then I remembered all the sacks. You don’t go from 4 sacks in week 1 vs. the same team to zero. Hill does get rid of the ball much quicker. His accuracy is really below average though – not quite Alex Smith, but not usually hitting guys in stride.
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by zenbitz on Nov 11, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hitting in stride
Hitting a receiver in stride is a timing issue. Good timing is the result of practice and game experience. If after a few more weeks it’s not there a problem may exist. Can we give Hill a chance? Yes we can!
Side note: Because I live in Cincinnati, last night was the first Niners game I’ve had the opportunity to see this year. After reading the Chron and the blogs I figured I probably would have had enough before the end of the first half. But it was such a good game I stayed up past midnight (EST) to watch to the end. Without the history of watching week in, week out, I can say this isn’t a bad team. It has some issues, but it’s better than the 2-7 record indicates.
by dianemarie on Nov 11, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. We are better than our record.
Seriously, let’s hold onto Hill and Singletary (I’m ambivalent about Martz). Draft a QB this year and let Hill run the show for a bit.
by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Bad snap, bad grab, pulling guard knocks it silly.”
Fixed it. Seriously, I don’t know why people are blaming Baas or the snap. Look at the replay again. They showed a prefect angle on the telecast, showing the snap hit Hill right in the hands, but he’s already pulling out, and it slips right through his hands and up into his chest. 100% Hill’s fault, no question.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 11, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary will be the key to recruitment
Championship-caliber players want to play for Singletary. Let’s get rid of the dead weight, then approach the excellent players in the key positions we need, and ask them, “Do you want to play for Mike Singletary?” Players around the league are no doubt taking notice of his hard-nosed culture of accountability that Singletary brings to the Niners.
by kinglouie33 on Nov 11, 2008 10:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Championship-caliber players want to play for Singletary.
Ummm… why?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HARD-NOSED CULTURE! SOFT-NOSED PLAY!
(sorry, I’m still really pissed about the game)
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by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You might be right but in a wrong kind of way
Players around the league are no doubt taking notice of his hard-nosed culture of accountability that Singletary brings to the Niners.
Oh they’re taking notice alright but they’re saying “Fuck that accountability shit. I’m happy walking my pay check down Unaccountable Easy Street.”
Although those numbnut announcers last night might have brought up a good point. They referenced Emmitt Smith’s comment that he’d like to play under Singletary and then said something along the lines of “sure the great players would but it’s just about everybody else that wouldn’t”. And that’s the problem. Great players are great because they already hold themselves accountable, they motivate themselves, they don’t need a coach to make and example for them. A lot of non-great players could be a hell of a lot closer to great if they actually gave a shit or two but they’re happy with where they’re at so they don’t push themselves, they don’t practice (if they even show up), etc.
by methodrampage on Nov 11, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was one of the most entertaining games in the NFL this year
Unfortunate that we lost, and then lost the season
I see the future, and it is Pablo
by CB30 on Nov 11, 2008 10:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rally and win the remaining games!
Yes we can!
Shaun Hill for President!
by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's balme the Seahawks, too...
they keep losing and and trying to take our rightful Top 5 pick!
by StepUp on Nov 11, 2008 10:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to balme the seahawks
it can get rather messy
Blind devotion.
by ProfessorBigelow on Nov 11, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Too funny.
Signature? SIGNATURE?! Don't talk about SIGNATURE! I just hope I can write a sentence!
by SSreporters on Nov 11, 2008 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if not vd, then martz
if vd isn’t sabotoging this then who else is but martz? here’s a comment from another site that i totally agree with.
Posted By: dakota_devil | November 11 2008 at 03:19 AM
MIke Martz blew this game. He doesnt want Hill to win-not his man- He doesnt want the team to win. He wants to lose so Singletay is not offered the job permanently. He is trying to do what ever he can do to undermine this team in hopes that he will be offered the HC job. The only thing that would have been more obvious about the last play is if he would have told Hill to take a knee instead of the stupid play that he called. Fire Martz HE is the cancer in the locker room.
Posted By: richardc | November 11 2008 at 05:06 AM
I thought singletary showed more connection with the players and game in one game last night than nolan showed in 3- 1/2 yrs …..big improvement
martz obviously had a changed game plan
more control ……an improvement
still no pressure on the qb ..big problem
pass defense still giving up too much
poor call on last play,martz wake up
when the big play was needed, you were fantasizing , your a large part of the problem, resign now give the team a break…there aint a coach in the league that would have tried to send robinson thru the line on the last play
grade f
by redrum21225 on Nov 11, 2008 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
From what I could read of your post, I agree.
The Robinson play was a terrible Martz call. I don’t know if he’s deliberately undermining the team, but he’s not helping. I think the Saints’ game was the worst of all.
We noticed some arguments between Singletary and Martz on the sidelines yesterday. Let’s see it brew over.
by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So we don't suck...
VD’s just not making plays because he has a vendetta against Singletary. And Martz is calling bad plays because he’s pissed he’s not the head coach, or because JTO’s not starting anymore.
I think we’ve officially found our resident conspiracy theorist.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 11, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what I'd really like to see?
Someone that happens to have the game still on TIVO or something – take a screen shot of the last play of the game, but from the overhead camera angle.
I want to see exactly HOW MANY hands were on Robinson’s facemask when his helmet was pulled off. I counted at least 3.
by mikev on Nov 11, 2008 1:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
TiVo
Later tonight I’m gonna go over my TiVoed version of the game to review Shaun Hill’s performance. I’ll check that out as well and see what the views show.
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by Fooch on Nov 11, 2008 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to watch my TIVO because I'm sure I saw a shirtless Fooch prior to the game starting
Well it was just probably some random 12 year old with 49er stuff painted on his chest.
by methodrampage on Nov 11, 2008 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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