Do people actually think Mike Martz is trying to sabotage this team?
Rick Vaughn: F***in' Dorn. Game shoulda been over by now. Dorn coulda had that ball. He tanked it on purpose.
Jake Taylor: This isn't the California Penal League, Vaughn. We're professionals here. We don't tank a play for personal reasons, so cut the crybaby shit.
There’s been a lot of talk last night and today that Martz is trying to undermine Mike Singletary and purposely screwing things up. One person found comments from another site indicating they felt Martz was actually going out of his way to sabotage this team. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but I'm also entitled to my opinion that that sort of idea is just a little bit ludicrous.
Before people jump all over me, I actually believe that if Mike Singletary is brought back as head coach next season, Mike Martz will not be brought back as offensive coordinator. The rumors have floated around that Scot McCloughan was not totally on board with this decision. He felt the 49ers did not have the correct personnel for a Mike Martz offense. Personally, the hiring excited me, but it might fall under the "shiny penny" theory of distracting people from the problems at hand. And of course, given how poor the offense was performing, any improvement was likely to be greeted with great fanfare.
In spite of all this, I do not think Mike Martz is in the business of undermining his head coach. People already know he has an ego; that much is certain. And I do think his stubborn streak could lead him to sticking with his way thinking it's right when most of the rest of the world sees otherwise. However, if is seen as a coach-killer, it would certainly hurt his value on the open market. If he can turn this offense around, or at the very least improve it, his value on the open market goes up tremendously; possibly even to the point of being offered a head coaching position. If the 49ers struggled the rest of the way and Mike Singletary was not offered the full-time HC job, why wouldn't the 49ers go completely outside the organization for the new coach? The offense is improved, but if they're not executing properly under Martz (b/c he's purposely sabotaging the team), why in God's name would they promote Mike Martz????
Earlier today Martz met with the media and he took responsibility for some of the chaos that took place after Jason Hill got to the Cardinals 1 yard line (prior to the world’s longest QB spike):
"There was some chaos that I created on the sideline. I did a bad job there. We were trying to spike it there and I called a personnel change and the personnel change went in when we were going to spike it and there was a lot of confusion. I just went too fast with everything and it created too much confusion. That’s my fault more than anything else. And then poor Shaun [Hill’s] standing there. He’s waiting for everyone to get off the field and there’s just so much confusion. That’s just a bad job of coaching on my part. I knew what we wanted to do. I called out two different things at the same time. It all happened at the same time, and we don’t want that."
Additionally, people think that he’s pissed that his boy, J.T. O’Sullivan, lost the job and he’s clearly never going to support Shaun Hill as the QB. While they're only words, to those who think that I submit:
"Yeah, I love [Shaun's] demeanor in the game. I really love his demeanor in the game. I don’t like his mistakes. The one interception was just a very poor decision. He got…the other interception he got fooled a little bit by the receiver. The receiver was going one way and when he threw it, he took off going the other way. So I wouldn’t blame him for that at all. "
While they are just words, he certainly could've thrown Hill under the bus on that play. Maybe I'm being too naive about this, but if Mike Martz wants to get the most out of this job (as far as potentially getting a head coaching job somewhere), it's in his best interest for Shaun Hill to succeed. I just cannot buy into the notion that he would purposely sabotage this team just because J.T. O'Sullivan lost the starting job. Again it might be naive to think so, but I think it's absurd.
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Pah leez
seriously thats just lame nobody is trying to sabatoge I seen nothing but heart from our boys last night and yeah Hill tryed to force some plays but hell we need to force some wins!
I think Singeltary is awesome and I hope we keep him next year but if not then somebody in management has to throw the house and Bill Cower to come aboard. Martz is a duche for sending in Robinson instead of Gore I mean PAH LEEZ who’s smoking what out there?
Go 9ers
by Tuckforce1 on Nov 11, 2008 5:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My take...
Disclaimer: I am not a fan of Martz or a fan of JT O’Sullivan.
The claim made is wrong. Martz is not trying to sabotage the team. He is, however, undermining the team’s best efforts.
He wants to be seen as a groomer of QBs, he wants a head coaching job, and he is greedy. He’s had some terrible calls of making JTO throw the ball while in the red zone in spite of Gore averaging over four yards a carry (see the Saints game). He refuses to learn from his mistakes and he really does put his ego ahead of the team.
He’s not trying to undermine Shaun Hill, but his calling for the Robinson run was questionable at best.
We’ve seen a lot of fighting between Singletary and Martz and I like it. I was never a fan of Nolan bending over and taking it from Martz and I’m glad to see our head coach stand up for what he thinks is right.
I’m very encouraged by what we saw last night from Hill and I am looking forward to the Rams game.
by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 6:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i think sing and martz together is great
they are both hotheads and thats what the 9ers need. EMOTION!!!
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Nov 12, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
That worked out great in the last minute the other night — both guys excited and screaming, neither with any idea what was actually happening on the field. All they needed was to ask someone in the booth what the replay looked like or where the ball was going to be spotted, but they were too busy trying to scream over each other. EMOTION!!!
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 12, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
would you rather have emotionless nolan?
sing is a first time coach and is going to make stupid mistakes. ill take that for now if emotion comes with it.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Nov 12, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I’ll definitely take Sing over Nolan. I just hope he’s able to improve on his knowledge of game situations more than Nolan did.
Actually, I think the biggest improvement they could make is to replace Marathe in the replay booth. He consistently sucks (he should’ve been in Singletary’s ear during that review telling him what we all saw — that it was either a TD or Gore would be ruled down at the 2 1/2 yard line). Even the idea that instead of a dedicated video review specialist you could hire for 30k a year, they have a salary cap expert who’s also doing “statistical work” during games trying to do it is ridiculous.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 12, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
seems like marathe has been giving the 9ers nothing but problems lately
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Nov 12, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On step at a time
At least he kept his pants on.
by methodrampage on Nov 12, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fooch
well said piece
Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal
by 49erLou on Nov 11, 2008 6:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I refuse to go into this subject
People who really allow themselves to believe something this absurd aren’t worth arguing with.
An NFL coach is never going to intentionally sabotage his own team’s efforts for any reason…let alone out of something as childish as bitterness over a missed promotion, the benching of an awful player, or disagreements in game management. If you really think that Martz would throw away a game to make a statement, then you grow the f*** up and take some time to learn how pro sports work.
Was the 30 second spike a disaster? Yes.
Was the final playcall facepalm-worthy? Yes.
But neither were intentional attempts to ruin the 49ers chances to win that game.
by shlecko on Nov 11, 2008 7:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sabotage?
It never came across to me that there was any potential sabotaging on Martz’s part. As Fooch already mentioned, there isn’t a good reason for him to do it. It doesn’t benefit him in any possible way.
What confuses me more is that he wants to be a head coach. So why would he do anything that makes him less professional that he already is? Now I know that this could be all directed toward O’Sullivan being benched, but a great offensive coordinator knows how to make things work when things go bad. And if Martz wants to be a head coach, he needs to be able to do that.
Making his players look bad and making coach Singletary look bad is not the way I think any sane guy would approach it. Fooch is right on the point. It doesn’t make sense for him to do something like this.
And for some reason this is the truth, well, all my respect is lost for Martz. But in this hectic world of football where chances are slim to be a head coach, why would Martz screw it up?
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by PHUT! on Nov 12, 2008 1:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
NO WAY!
He knows that if he F’s up, Singletary would beat his ass down…i wonder if Martz is one of the cancers. Anyways, Singletary wants this team to be a ground and pound team, so Martz abided and took orders…thats all. OT: Does anyone know if Martz drives an Aston Martin…i could’ve sworn i saw him in one driving around the city.
by newbtoob on Nov 12, 2008 1:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Martz...
just isn’t that good of a coach. Good with x’s and o’s, but communication and pressure situations? Not so good.
by StepUp on Nov 12, 2008 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
A comment was brought up at the end of the game.
I forget who posted it, but it was mentioned that Kurt Warner will be a FA at the end of the season. If Hill is not the answer and MM does return next year, how interesting would it be to have KW as a stopgap until a drafted QB develops. KW and MM have an good history despite the way things ended in St. Louis. Love him or hate him, KW has an incredibly accurate and strong arm, and has no problem with the "complex’ MM offense. Add a reciever in FA or the draft and we could see a Niner offense capable of scoring 25+ per game. And I dont know about you, but a 38-39 year old HOFer sound like a better option than some run of the mill journeyman with either a soft arm or a perpensity to gift wrap the ball for the defense.
by pfzilla on Nov 12, 2008 10:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
hopefully martz will be gone so lets nix the kurt warner idea
plus kurt warner is already old man river. next yr he’s old man river plus 1 year. who says next yr he’ll be capable of producing what he produced this year? we DEFINITELY should not make offensive moves that we believe will complement martz being here. most of us, probably including sing, want martz gone. hopefully that’ll happen. and you other dudes made valid pts. maybe martz isnt intentionally sabotaging this team. he just SUCKS!!!
by redrum21225 on Nov 13, 2008 6:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
From a Bronco fan who hates the 49ers(I live in nor cal) :P
I think Mike Martz is pissed off he didn’t get the head coaching job and is fighting Singletary at every turn. There is definitely a lot of friction and if Martz doesn’t start working hard to work well with his boss then he should be fired. An organization can only function if there is unity from the top down…don’t believe me? Look at the Raider organization…I am sure you folks don’t want to see your team degenerate into that!
If God is not a Bronco fan, then WHY are sunsets Blue and Orange? - Jon Tollerud 5/22/08
by Tim Lynch on Nov 13, 2008 10:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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