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Overtime!

Is it just me or is overtime in the NFL a freaken joke? After watching lastnights game, I've had it with overtime in the NFL. I've done the best research I could on other sports and ovetime and this is what I got. Every major sport including college sports has an almost flawless form of overtime. Except the NFL. Soccer(which I hate) has sudden death along with hockey. Sudden death is great if both teams get an equal shot at winning which hockey and soccer teams do. Baseball? Extra innings. Both teams get their shot at it. Basketball? A timed overtime starting with a face-off. College football? The best. I don't think I have to go over all of the rules. Most of you guys probably know these rules but I had to go over the basics. And this brings me to the biggest QUESTION.

Why does the NFL not go to college football OT or something SIMILAR that includes punts and kickoffs as long as both teams get an equal shot?! Too set in their ways? Come on, they are always changing rules every year. Why not this? I saw a great game last night. Great game! Only for it to be ruined by sudden death. Some of you know I'm pulling for the Pats. They remind me of the old 9ers teams. It has nothing to do with this. Sudden death overtime sucks! I'd rather see a tie. Honestly. How great would it have been lastnight if they were using college football OT? Jets kick the field goal. Pats get the ball and get a field goal to tie it. OT2: Favre scores an incredible close your eyes and throw it bullcrap TD he always does to Coles. The Pats get their chance again and blow it with a fumble. GAME OVER.

Just a scenerio if they went to college OT but it sounds good right?

I'm sure they can come up with something similar to college OT. Why Not?

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How dare you

The 49ers are not cheaters that play for a fanbase chock full of whiners and douchebags and never have been.

…Did you say something about overtime?

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by LA49er on Nov 14, 2008 10:15 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Shut your hole

this post is about overtime. Not comparing 2 great teams.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Nov 14, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But to actually address the topic

I will use one of the arguments against a BCS playoff system that I hate hearing, partly because I know it’s true and partly because I know it’s grasping at straws to keep a system alive that is retarded and outdated-

If you change the OT from sudden death, where do you draw the line? Whatever team ends up losing will always have some grievance, whether it’s timeouts or challenges or time allotted or the initial coin toss or placing the ball at the 2 1/2 instead of the 1 where it’s supposed to be.

While I do think the current OT situation isn’t perfect, I do think it’s a much better deal for teams with great defense, which is all the more reason to make sure you either win in regulation or take a closer look at your defense. Remember, in soccer there’s always the chance to score another goal, if only you could have gotten the ball back afterwards, but the real opportunity is in stopping your opponent from scoring and taking the ball back yourself for the winning score. When you look at it that way, I don’t see how a “fair” OT like soccer is any better than the NFL OT situation.

I would comment on hockey, but I didn’t even think people played that anymore until you brought it up.

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by LA49er on Nov 14, 2008 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

College OT is no good for the NFL

Absolutely not. College OT would be a joke in the NFL. This is professional football! You can not eliminate an integral part of the game for the sake of a fair overtime. Removing kickoffs and punting – eliminating the field control game – would be absolutely criminal at the NFL level.

On the other hand, you can’t subject these guys to another full 15 to 30 minutes of play if you don’t have to. If a change is made, AT MOST it should involve assuring each team a minimum of one possession. If the game is still tied after both teams have the ball once, then sudden death rules apply.

But no, college football OT is entertaining in college, but screw it for the NFL.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2008 10:33 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

im sure...

youd be saying that if the 9ers got screwed in overtime due to a freaken coin toss.

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by maveric_87 on Nov 14, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For me, the first rule is always that if you can’t win a game playing by the rules that you spend all your time preparing for, then you didn’t deserve to win the game, anyway. Then, the second rule is that if a rule sucks, it should be changed.

The onus of losing is always on the team. The usefulness of the rules is important, but my uproar about bad rules isn’t predicated on them hurting my team. If I think a rule needs to be changed, it’s because it’s a rule that hurts the integrity of the league all the time, not because it was a rule that hurt my team once. The way I see it, if I’m fine with something until it hurts my team, then I better be prepared to be fine with it after it hurts my team, too.

That said, I do think the NFL’s current overtime could benefit with the slight change that I outlined above. Assure each team one possession, and then default to sudden death after that. And I would think that same thing even if the 49ers won out every single game for the rest of the season by hitting field goals after winning the overtime toss.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

just curious

why are you OK with it for college, but not the NFL?

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by UnleashTheGore on Nov 14, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Talent, really. That and the fact that it’s not professional. Special teams in college is so much worse and fluctuates so much from program to program that it actually could just make for some really ugly overtime situations to force the issue. But also, college is pretty much just a big audition for the NFL, and you need to put the skill positions on the stage. It braches out from those reasons, but those are the basics.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2008 6:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or, after thinking about it more, I think the reason is probably a lot closer simply to the fact that I don’t think competitive integrity is as important in the college (football) system as it is in a professional league. I think that’s where the ideas of talent and auditioning above were taking me. In the NFL – in a professional league – it’s important to have competitive balance. In college – in a league, for example, that has for years had no compelling reason to change a competitively unreasonable bowl system – that kind of competitive balance isn’t as high up on the list of things that give the system value.

Ah! Now I’ve stumbled on the easiest way to say it: Competitive balance has significantly more value in the NFL. Plain and simple.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2008 7:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And i agree...

that they should make some sort of change to the OT. Leave in the punts and field goals. I will edit this post too because I do feel that they should use a form similar and not exactly like college. Thanks

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by maveric_87 on Nov 14, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i love college OT

and I had never thought about the arguments that Howie makes above. Maybe I should have replied directly to his comment, but oh well.

I don’t like NFL overtime either and I think seeing NFL players doing college overtime would be damn fun and damn entertaining. The shootout in soccer or hockey removes a lot of the elements of the game for the sake of finding a winner, but part of that is because there are (or were) a lot of very low scoring soccer and hockey games, so the shootout at least assures there will be a winner. I guess my point is that I don’t think it would be THAT bad to remove the kickoff/punt/return game/field position elements in order to make a good, fair OT. But I get what Howie is saying about it, and I respect that viewpoint.

Probably the most pragmatic and realistic option is what Howie suggested of giving each team at least one possession. If the team that receives the ball scores, they have to kick it off and let the other team have the ball. But can they do an onside kick? what happens if they do? I mean, seriously. But yeah, that’s probably the most fair.

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by wjackalope on Nov 14, 2008 2:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

one other thing

for as “unfair” as NFL overtime is, the stats actually show it’s very fair. But in those cases where one team doesn’t get a possession, I think it’s not fair.

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by wjackalope on Nov 14, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea i agree totally with...

howies idea of giving each team a possesion. As for onside kicks, that would be great because if the team that scored is able to successfully achieve an onside kick then the game would be over and sealed. The other team would’ve had their chance to get the ball back but failed.

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by maveric_87 on Nov 14, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

College style OT is not the answer.

The two options that make the most sense to me are an extra full (or maybe even half) length quarter or first team to 6 points in OT wins (that way 1 FG can’t win the game).

by methodrampage on Nov 14, 2008 2:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thats why I said something similar to college OT

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by maveric_87 on Nov 14, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

here is a suggestion

for OT, it’s the same rules as it is now, including kickoffs and punts ect. BUT if the team that wins the coin toss scores on their first possesion, the other team gets a chance. Howeer, it they score on the 2,3.4 ect, then the game ends.

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by montasmob69 on Nov 14, 2008 6:22 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ideas

1. Play an extra quarter or half. 15 or 30 minutes and whoever’s ahead wins.

2. Shootout – just have a FG kicking contest, starting from 30 yards out, then 35, then 40, etc. First one to make it with other guy missing wins. Also, this should be full defenses trying to block the kick, etc. If you block it and run it back, you win.

3. Sudden Death w/ a twist – Same rules as now except each team is guaranteed at least 1 possession. If neither team scores with their first possession, then it’s sudden death and the next team to score wins.

4. Don’t change the rules. Screw it. It’s worked this long w/out producing any problems (just complaints). Lose the toss, lose the game. Too bad. Get over it.

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by Nosetackle Supreme on Nov 16, 2008 4:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No Field Goals

I like the idea of changing the overtime, but I don’t think the college rule is the answer. College overtime is more like arena football than a real game. I like howtheyscored’s idea that each team should get at least one possession, but I think this should be combined with a ban on field goals. I am sick of teams getting to the 20 yard line and then completely shutting down their offenses and going for a field goal. If a team is to win in over time they must score a touchdown (or safety). Now that offenses dominate the game it is too easy to get in field goal range. The rule will result in more ties, but I don’t mind ties, if neither team can score a TD in a quarter then they both deserve a tie.

by fredfotch on Nov 17, 2008 12:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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