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McNabb may be available next year

There is talk out of Philly that McNabb may be on his way out of Philly after this year. He may be had for the right price. Now that he knows the rules of overtime maybe the 49ers will take a shot on him. The 49ers could contend for the West next year with McNabb under center. The question is he worth the gamble of money and draft picks?

What do you think the Eagles would want for him?

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great call

I would be so down for McNabb. We probably will also need a coach, though. And a WR. Damn. Here’s how it will/should look:

McNabb from philly for 2nd, 3rd round picks.
Crabtree with our first (presumably top 3-5)
Holmgren as coach

by UofAicon on Nov 19, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

I like Crabtree but Holmgren may be done as a coach.

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by TakeAGiantStepNGo on Nov 19, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

And our pass rush still sucks. I’m convinced to make this 3-4 really work, we’re gonna need a big time DT in the middle. I really cant think of a 3-4 system that has been successful in the past 15 years that didnt have an anchor in the middle of their line.

by sam23 on Nov 22, 2008 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to mention a pass rushing OLB.

The NT will definitely help their occasional lapses in run defense, but they really need “pure” pass rushers on the edges.

As method and I have pointed out before, a 4-3 would probably be the best way to go, as they’d only have to find a pass rusher (or two), as opposed to ALSO finding a true NT.

by sfgfan on Nov 24, 2008 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I concur. The 3-4 was supposed to provide a cheaper pass rush. I think the idea was that we could find a bunch of hybrid types late in the draft or 2nd and 3rd tier type FAs, line em up and OLB and theyd become instant pass rush studs to save us from having to pay big money on the pass rushing DE’s. Hasnt worked at all so far. What would a 4-3 do to Willis though? It seems to me it may actually make him better, but I’m far from an expert on the merits of 3-4 vs 4-3.

by sam23 on Nov 24, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Willis

I agree with it may actually make him better. Naturally, he would continue to play on the inside, so with two DT’s inside, he should have even more opportunities to be free from blockers.

I’m no expert either, but that’s what I see.

by sfgfan on Nov 24, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

im down with that

id take mcnabb too so as long as we still draft a qb in the earlier rounds

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Nov 19, 2008 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure GiantStep

what do YOU think? Do YOU think he’s worth the money and or draft picks given his injury history and less than all-pro caliber recent performance? What do YOU think the Eagles would want for him? And where did you hear about this ’talk out of Philly"? Could you link us to something please?

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Nov 19, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

I've read something about it too

Mostly it was speculating that he might be released after this year as his contract really begins to escalate in ‘09. I think the Eagles have a club option for him in ’09 so they could just decline his option and he’d be a free agent. He’s due something like this:

’09: $9.2M
’10: $10M
’11: $12.7M
’12: $14.14M
’13: $16.21M

Personally, I think he’s a good enough QB to definitely consider signing as a free agent but I don’t think he’s worth the money he’s due in addition to what ever draft picks the Niners might have to give up to trade for him. If he gets released he’d be a decent signing but $62.25M over 5 years is a lot to pay for a guy who doesn’t know how NFL overtime works.

by methodrampage on Nov 19, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I would gladly wait for him to hit the open market (if indeed he is getting released) than send off a 2nd, 3rd and maybe even more to Philly.

by sfgfan on Nov 19, 2008 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Donovan McNabb might be on his way out of Philly big freaking deal!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2008 12:49 PM PST reply actions  

Let’s have a freaking party.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 19, 2008 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Everybody now, pull your pants down!

by methodrampage on Nov 19, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I would like to invite you to the pants party

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Nov 20, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

McNabb is a baby not a winner..

We need players who put it all on the line and can somehow reach deep down and go beyond their abilities. From what I saw in the 2003 Super Bowl.. I have my doubts on his leadership skills and toughness.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Nov 19, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, only losers play for teams that are consistently in the playoff race in one of the most difficult divisions in the league and have also been to the Super Bowl. I think his toughness and his breakability are different. Even tough guys can’t play [effectively] with a tough injury, and he’s had a few of those. But his talent and his “leadership” are pretty unfreakingdeniable.

Another baby who isn’t a winner: Peyton Manning.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Peyton won the super bowl.. McNabb let it slip away...

I don’t see toughness or leadership in this guy, ala: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Marino, Elway, Kelly, Aikman, Brett Favre. He’s soft is all I’m saying.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Nov 19, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

No, McNabb is just a borderline hall of famer. There’s no way he could stack up to all of those actual Hall of Famers.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Admittedly, yes, but he’ll most likely have some numbers you can argue for when he retires. Assuming that football SABR doesn’t come into play, he’ll be around to 35,000+ yards, almost 400 TDs, likely a slightly better than 2/1 TD/INT ratio, and all rarely even having anybody who can catch the ball with him. There’s a lot more to it than that, but the bare bones are there.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2008 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Those projections are assuming everything goes relatively well.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That could definitely be. Behind what I’ve been saying, though, is that I just don’t get how anybody can say that he’s been anything but one of the top QBs in the league over close to the last 10 years. The achievements (not just the stats) bear out if you think about them even a little bit.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 19, 2008 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

yep, not to mention the fact that we probably wont find one of those Montana/Elway types available.

by sam23 on Nov 22, 2008 12:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Help me out here...

How many Super Bowls did Marino win again?

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 19, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Touche...

add Kelly to that 0 Super Bowl wins list too, I just don’t see the same leadership capabilities in McNabb that I saw in Marino or Kelly.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Nov 20, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

THANK YOU!

I know I’m not the only one that remembers him breaking his freakin’ ankle and playing the rest of the game some time about 5 years ago. This guy is a winner, and he always will be. I will never get why black qb’s are such lightning rods for criticism, while white guys like peyton manning (can’t win the big one, but finally did) and brett favre (painkiller addiction/holding his team hostage every year/most INT’s in league history) get a pass on everything. I went to the niners eagles game at candlestick this year and the guy was as good as ever. STOP HATING. A 2nd and 3rd would be worth it for a franchise that has had qb issues ever since garcia.

by UofAicon on Nov 19, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

No one's hating..

After the super bowl loss, and the way he played at the end of the game.. i lost respect for Mcnabb. I’d take Warren Moon, Cunningham or Doug Williams over McNabb anytime.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Nov 19, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

you lost respect for him? its not his fault he’s played with the worst receiving corp ever.

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Nov 20, 2008 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Nov 20, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

That was one year

And they went to the Superbowl. Over his career McNabb has probably played with what averages out to be one of the worst recieving corps ever.

by methodrampage on Nov 20, 2008 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s also worth noting that he didn’t have TO during the playoffs that season, so it’s not like the Super Bowl run was dependent on the presence of Owens in the lineup.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 20, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

What about

the Patriots pre-Moss? That was a whole lot of uninspiring WRs for all those years they were good.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Nov 21, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean like Deion Branch

Who was good enough for the Seahawks to trade a 1st round pick for?

by methodrampage on Nov 21, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Ummm, yeah...

Deion’s not exactly the Bee’s knees in his 3rd year with the Hawls. He’s missed 15 games in those 3 years and has a whopping 8 TD’s. Nice move, Mike.

by StepUp on Nov 21, 2008 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He was still better than any non-Owens receiver the Eagles have had. And I dont think anyone is trying to say McNabb is as good or better than Brady. But he is one of the league’s eliet QBs. I’m not a big McNabb guy at all, but I think he’s not getting enough credit /respect in this discussion

by sam23 on Nov 22, 2008 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

yup
he’s not getting enough credit /respect in this discussion

"They can trade me," Bonds said. "I don't think they will, though. It's not like I want to be traded, man. I'm a Giant. I'm stuck here till the end."

by GameSix on Nov 24, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

This comment is BS

QB’s, white or black, are all lighting rods. Peyton Manning caught a bunch of flack for not being able to win the game. A lot of people thought what Favre did this past year was messed up (even a lot of GB fans). Culter’s been criticized for saying his arm is stronger than Elway’s. Every QB catches shit, to think otherwise is just plain ignorant.

by methodrampage on Nov 19, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

oh brother

I really don’t want to incite a racial riot here, but pulling the race card here is just dumb.

A) if we’re comparing him to favre and manning, let’s take a look at their accomplishments

(career averages)
McNabb: 219 yards/game, 58.7% completion, 1.45 TD/game, 5 pro bowls, 0 MVPs, 1 NFC title, 0 Super Bowl titles
Manning: 258.4 yards/game, 64% completion, 1.89 TD/game, 8 pro bowls, 2 MVPs, 1 AFC title, 1 Super Bowl title
Favre: 239.3 yards/game, 61.7% completion, 1.72 TD/game, 9 pro bowls, 3 MVPs, 2 NFC titles, 1 Super bowl title

The stats pretty much speak for themselves…McNabb is no where in the league of Favre and Manning. Manning and Favre play 16 games each year consistently through their whole careers. McNabb hasn’t played more than 14 games since 2004. I also don’t want to hear any crap about McNabb not having talent around him. He had TO for a few years, he’s had Westbrook for many years, and they had one of the most consistenly good defenses through this decade.

You must have been watching a different game if you think he’s “as good as ever”. He can’t run nearly as well, and makes some very poor decisions at times. The reason many black quarterbacks aren’t considered as good as white quarterbacks has much to do with the fact that generally black quarterbacks rely on their quickness and running abilities rather than being especially skilled in their passing abilities. And if a quarterback relies on running the ball half or 1/3 of the time, they are going to have a shelf life closer to a running back than a typical quarterback.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Black QB's

are lightning rods for criticism because any criticism of them is interpreted as slinging mud at the black kid.

While we’re on the subject, I’d like to end right now the criticism of QB’s from the south. Hating on QB’s from the south just because they may have flown a confederate flag from a raised truck at some point is wrong and racist, and quite frankly, I’m not gonna stand for it anymore.

Please also visit my new site, TonyismIsWrong.com- just because your first name is Tony does not mean you choke under pressure and screw up holding the football for field goal attempts in playoff games.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 19, 2008 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Also

McNabb sucks. It might be because he’s black, but I don’t think my fantasy football team’s stat calculator is racist.

And if it is, it probably doesn’t like my mexican ass very much either.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 19, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

RE: their division

It hasn’t been that good since the past year or two. The Cowboys were pitiful for the better part of this decade, and the Redskins and Giants were mediocre at best.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely freaking not

It’s pretty obvious from the past few years that he has lost a step, and crumples under pressure. I do think he’s in the wrong style of offense in Philly, but there is no way in heck I would get this guy at what it will cost. Plus, he’s an outspoken jerk that somehow is dumb enough to not know basic rules of the game that he is getting paid many millions of dollars to play.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

ok, so even if all that you say is correct, what the hell is the downside to giving up a 3rd round pick for him to be the starting QB for a year or two?

by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 19, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt..

A 3rd round pick would be all it would take to get a starting QB from an NFC foe

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Nov 19, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

a third round pick? really?

if that’s all it costs…then I might pull the trigger. But why would they dump him for just a 3rd rounder?

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know, I think a 3rd round pick seems about right. If you look at some recently jettisoned QBs: Brett Favre was traded for a 4th round pick (with some weird escalation incentives), Trent Green was traded from the Rams to the Chiefs (after Warner’s emergence) for a 5th round pick, Steve McNair was traded from the Titans to the Ravens for a 4th round pick, Jacksonville traded Mark Brunell to the Redskins for a 3rd round pick. When teams trade a QB they deem to be past his prime they don’t usually get a whole hell of a lot back for him.

what is the “talk out of Philly” on what they would get back?

by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 19, 2008 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

good points

Although I think it’s arguable that McNabb has more left in the tank than those other QBs you listed, except maybe Favre.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Nov 19, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he probably has more left than McNair and Brunell did, but less than Green and Favre did. My whole point is just that the market for aging QB for draft pick trades is a lot less seller friendly than people seem to think.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 19, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

But why would they dump him for just a 3rd rounder?

Because he’s not playing at a level close to what he’s about to get for. Since I think he only has like $1.16M left of bonus money (paid in full in ‘09) the Eagles can cut him any time after that and not incur any cap penalties (If they release him in ’09 it’s only that $1.16M of a cap hit). Bottom line is McNabb is going to be 32 later this month, his play is declining and he’s getting paid like an elite QB. If he’s not released this year (which I doubt he will and Kolb will have another year to get ready) he’ll be cut the next.

by methodrampage on Nov 19, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Even if it was just a 3rd round pick,

The salaries that were posted earlier are way too much. Without some kind of restructuring it wouldn’t work. McNabb is still a good QB, and would be an upgrade over what we have now, but not at that price. If all the niners were missing was a great QB, it would be a different discussion, but they need D-line, O-line and WR help as well.

by illini49er on Nov 21, 2008 4:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I Bet

They’d take a straight up for Shaun Hill right now, the way they’re both playing. Hell, maybe we can work out a nice little 3-way trade between JustTurnOvers, Tony Oh-No and Donovan McChoke. Then again, if you’ve tried one idiot with a cannon for an arm who chokes under pressure, I guess you’ve tried them all, right?

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 19, 2008 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

where's TakeaGiant...

in this discussion. he never answered my questions :(

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Nov 19, 2008 3:55 PM PST reply actions  

more likely

he likes to spew random thoughts and never come back to engage in a real discussion about them

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Nov 19, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s almost as if you’ve seen this before on another site!

My current Interwebs obsession is pretty awesome. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.

by groug on Nov 19, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

Your defense of Rich Aurilia is pretty intimidating.

by methodrampage on Nov 19, 2008 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

my point is

that when you wrote a diary, you should come back and participate in the discussion that you “inspired”

he can’t be scared, because he gets the same response every time he posts a diary, both here and on McCovey Chronicles, yet he keeps posting more

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Nov 19, 2008 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I was ready to say something to the effect of, “Hey, look at that! Another post by GiantStep!” He did, however, make a comment on this page. So he went from 21-14 to 22-15. That TakeAGiantStepAndGo! He’s so hot right now!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 19, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Just because I don’t respond to people on this board does’nt make me a bad poster. I write what I want as a fan and leave it at that. I don’t have the time to continue to wait for someone to write something. If you don’t like my posts don’t read them.

Sports are man's last refuge from the insanity of life.

by TakeAGiantStepNGo on Nov 21, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t have the time to continue to wait for someone to write something.

So you don’t care about discussion. You just want to say something and have people pay attention.

Okay.

My current Interwebs obsession is pretty awesome. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com. It's not being updated right now. Hope for more at your own risk.

by groug on Nov 21, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone pay attention to me!

I need all of you, to stop what you’re doing and listen.

CANNONBALL!!!

Man, it’s got to be nice to be the new giantsrainman most important person in the world!

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 21, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

dont have the time? you know, if you learned to use the reply function you could reply to others and view their responses at your leisure.

by sam23 on Nov 22, 2008 12:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody likes your posts, you should stop writing them so we don’t read them.

I can haz homerunz!

by jbowl on Nov 22, 2008 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

but that's the point

the whole point of these boards and fanposts is to put something out there to discuss. If all you want to do is assert your own opinions that you should do it on your own blog if you have them. This is not your blog. That’s fine if you want to share your opinion, but people aren’t going to take you seriously or listen to what you have to say if all you do is throw something out there and then walk away. Stay to discuss it or defend your argument, otherwise you’ll just be ignored.

And if you don’t have the time, then consider writing less fanposts. Write ONE fanpost and spend the time participating in the discussion, rather than writing 4 in a week and ignoring all the comments.

That’s just my advice if you want to be considered a real member of this community.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Nov 25, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

you should do it on your own blog if you have them.

should say “if you have ONE.”

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Nov 25, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

another thing

you ask questions in the fanpost. if you aren’t interested in hearing people’s answers, why ask the question? and personally, I feel like if you spend the time asking questions, you should offer your own thoughts about the answers.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Nov 25, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I completely agree

This is more than just a message board. This is meant to be a community for people to interact with each other. I wouldn’t ask somebody a question and then walk away in the middle of their answer.

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by David Fucillo on Nov 25, 2008 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

McNabb was a good QB

But his best years are behind him. I understand needing a mentor, but we really need to rebuild elsewhere instead of picking up more high-priced free agents. Remember, this guy turned the ball over four times against the Bengals.

Let other teams chase him. Give the reigns to Shaun Hill next year, depending how he does the rest of the season. Draft the best OT/DE/DT/WR available with our first round pick (Crabtree would be awesome), get a QB in the later rounds (Curtis Painter could be a bargain) and let the team get better.

by Rishi on Nov 20, 2008 9:40 AM PST reply actions  

this FTW

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Nov 20, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Seconded

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Nov 21, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree to a point...

I think using free agency-even if it is big money- can be a big benefit to the team as long as the player seriously improves the team. For example, signing Faneca has seen the Jets improve bigtime offensively, and for me has had more of an influence than Favre to their team.

Make the two – draft and free agency – compliment each other.

by Ninerfromacrossthepond on Nov 26, 2008 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

But as far as McNabb is concerned...

I agree with Rishi that his best years are gone and is only going to suffer from more injuries the longer he goes on – especially given his injury history.

by Ninerfromacrossthepond on Nov 26, 2008 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Compliment each other?

Draft: Hello, Free Agency. You’re looking very dapper today!
Free Agency: Why thank you, Draft. And may I say, that sweater vest you’re wearing is a lovely shade of brown.

Sorry, couldn’t be helped. I know you meant complement each other, and that was just nitpicky stuff right there. Also, I agree with you.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Nov 26, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice one

Yes, I did mean complement each other.
Anyway, I wouldnt call it nitpicky, it was actually quite funny.

by Ninerfromacrossthepond on Nov 26, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Of note

MvNabb was benched in the second half today on account of bad play. Kolb was just as bad, but it’s still worth noting.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 23, 2008 8:04 PM PST reply actions  

yea I would think he’s a goner now barring a huge rebound from him down the stretch. Seems like Chicago wouldve been the logical destination for him, but with Orton having a nice year I dont know anymore. Detroit? Minny? Houston? There actually doesnt appear to be a ton of competition for QBs this upcoming offseason.

by sam23 on Nov 24, 2008 3:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Detroit would be my bet

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Nov 24, 2008 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Ill say Minnesota... I dont think McNabb would like to be a Lion..

but he can also end up with the chiefs since they are not in the NFC

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Nov 24, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

is that the “talk out of Philly”?

by FluLikeSymptoms on Nov 24, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

goner? gonner? how do you spell that anyway?

by sam23 on Nov 24, 2008 3:53 AM PST reply actions  

Goner.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Nov 24, 2008 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

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