Could Alex Smith actually return to the 49ers in 2009???
Could this man actually be a 49er in 2009? Since Alex Smith first was put on injured reserve, heck since J.T. O'Sullivan first started getting snaps with the #1 offense in training camp, the question has been when, not if, Alex Smith would end up somewhere else in 2009.
At the time, the thinking was, he's scheduled to make a ton of money in 2009 and 2010 so clearly he'd have to renegotiate to a significantly lower salary. Then there's the problems he's had with the team and with Mike Nolan in particular. During all this time, people have posted polls about what the 49ers would do going forward at QB ranging from going after Daunte Culpepper to the most recent FanPost about Byron Leftwich.
However, is it possible the situation has changed enough that Alex Smith might come back for 2009? Smith had surgery on his throwing shoulder last week to remove a small piece of bone that broke during the preseason. In addressing the issue yesterday, Matt Barrows discussed the possibility of Smith returning in 2009:
Smith is scheduled to earn just under $10 million in base salary next season and GM Scot McCloughan said in September that that's too big a price tag for a back-up quarterback. Things have changed since then, however. For one, Mike Nolan - with whom Smith clashed last season - is no longer the head coach. His presence in 2009 certainly would have sent Smith seeking another team next season.
Second, the player who beat out Smith for the starting job, J.T. O'Sullivan, has been demoted. O'Sullivan was the favorite of offensive coordinator Mike Martz, whose high-risk, high-reward offense doesn't seem as appealing as it did in early September. With Shaun Hill at quarterback, the 49ers are turning to a more measured approach on offense during the second half of the season.
As was mentioned earlier in the season, Smith asked to stick around the facility and keep doing the "classroom work" with the QBs. While he doesn't participate on the practice field or travel with the team, he's attended the home games and fully participated in team meetings.
On the one hand, skeptics (and some Smith-haters) would argue that doing this shows future teams that he's committed to the team concept and always looking to improve himself as a quarterback. On the other hand, a lot of players placed on IR will return home to rehab and do their own thing on their own schedule. So the argument could go both ways.
I do believe that the 49ers need to draft a QB this year because to say Alex Smith or Shaun Hill is the QB of the long term just doesn't hold a lot of water with me. I do believe Hill is a short-term viable option to transition to the new young QB. Alex Smith, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about. Assuming Smith actually wanted to return to the 49ers next year, is it really the best option for all parties involved?
One problem with this sort of analysis is that there are a whole lot of variables involved. The two biggest, aside from the players, would be who is the head coach and who is the offensive coordinator. Whether the team sticks with Singletary or goes with another offensive minded coach would affect the decision. If the team went with an offensive minded coach, maybe Martz's ego can't handle that (or handle numerous other problems) and he hits the road.
There are probably too many questions to accurately answer whether Alex Smith will be back in 2009, but on a basic black and white yes/no type of question, what do you think? I know that I never expected to be discussing this when he first went on IR, but it remains a very real possibility I think.
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Wow...
10 Votes… 5 yes/5 no.
I’m stunned this is even a possibility.
Personally, I think its best for the team and Alex to move forward separately. Smith will always (rightly or wrongly) be a reminder of the “bad old days” to a very large sub-sect of the Niner fan population. For Smith, he could have an opportunity much like Steve Young did (or more probably… much like Tim Couch attempted when he signed with Green Bay) to back up an aging Hall of Famer somewhere and step in a few years down the road older and wiser.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 4, 2008 11:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I said yes, but...
It depends on the coordinator, I think. If Martz is back, then Smith won’t be. If there’s a guy like Norv who can play to Smith’s strengths, then I don’t really see the problem. There aren’t any QBs coming out of college who are The Answer.
Besides, if Kyle Orton can become a solid quarterback, then Alex Smith can too, dammit.
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by groug on Nov 4, 2008 12:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
agreed about Kyle Orton
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
redo his contract...
and keep him. he is still the same age as many rookies and 1st year players. hes been plaqued by injury since last. year. hes still young. keep him.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 12:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad to see that I wasn’t crazy when I started thinking about this a few weeks ago.
It’s hectic right now. I’ll try to say more after I work and vote.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 4, 2008 12:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
two problems:
1) i’ve already made the statistical argument that alex smith projects to be, at best, a mediocre nfl qb…if the niners are investing $10M/yr (hell, even $5M/yr), it shouldn’t be for someone with that low of a cieling.
2) i don’t think martz is the coordinator next year under any circumstances, just my opinion. he doesn’t mesh with singletary’s “hit ’em in the mouth” philosophy, and a new HC would most certainly want to bring in his own OC (if not call plays himself). either way, with no martz, that means alex will have his 5th OC in 5 seasons if he sticks around…that hasn’t exactly worked well so far.
by Florida Danny on Nov 4, 2008 1:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith
on this team only need to be a game manager. That is if Singletary stays at the end of the year. I agree they are paying Smith too much to keep him even as game manager. They have to redo his contract. I don’t think Martz will be back either no matter who the HC is. Saw something interesting this morning on Martz while watching my Super Bowl DVD’s. In 2001, when he took the Rams to the SB against the Pats, the team broke some yardage records but also led the NFL in TURNOVERS and almost reached a record high in them as well. He also had Bruce, Faulk, Warner and Holt. And he probably wonders why he could’nt duplicate that with the Lions and why he can’t with the 9ers. How surprising….
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Singletary stays...
… Martz will stay. It’s unlikely the 49ers would keep Singletary without a strong-minded offensive coordinator to run that half of the show. Besides, he’s under contract for next year, so the only way he leaves is if the 49ers fire him, and I don’t think Martz has given the 49ers any reason to do that.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe true
just have to see if they end up butting heads or not
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Martz vs Singletary?
If the problem is that Singletary and Martz don’t get along, I’d imagine that McCloughan/York would opt to keep Martz instead. But that would mean bringing in a new coach who may want to bring in his own coordinator, too. Martz has done a lot more for this team in the past year than Singletary had done the previous 3 and a half.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow wait a minute
Who has developed patrick willis? Singletary. Who has Lawson playing well when he is healthy? Singletary. The linebackers are the only part of the defense that looks good and has looked good for 2 years now. That’s Singletarys baby and he hass done a good job. As for martz, he has boosted offensive production but can’t keep the ball on our side. Given, his offense is a high risk high turnover offense as i pointed out earlier. But the so called QB competition was a load of crap and it blew up in his face and Hill is the starter now. Who cares if the offense has boosted it’s yardage if it keeps on turning over the ball?
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As of right now...
Norv did a better job with this offense than Martz has
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
Here are some “vital” offensive stats and where each coordinator stands right now:
Yards per game:
Turner: 303.6
Martz: 310.5
Yards per play:
Turner: 5.3
Martz: 5.4
First downs per game:
Turner: 15.1
Martz: 17.2
Third down conversion percentage:
Turner: 34
Martz: 31
Time of possession:
Turner: 29:00
Martz:29:10
Interceptions:
Turner: 16
Martz: 22 (projected based on current numbers through 8 games)
Sacks:
Turner: 35
Martz: 68 (projected based on current numbers through 8 games)
Based on those numbers alone the two weren’t very different at all. As a matter of fact, if you take away some of O’Sullivan’s boneheaded-ness, it’s very possible that Martz would completely control the time of possession comparison and maybe even produce MORE first downs and convert on more third downs.
As it stands right now, though, the two really weren’t that different.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are they winning with the offense?
Is the offense keeping them in the game? No! They have upped the yardage. But has that given them wins? No. The team went 7-9 in 2006 because of the offense. The defense sucked. Norv did a better job.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from the turnovers...
.. the offense HAS kept them in the game. As method points out somewhere in this thread, Martz has upped the scoring by 7 points a game. That’s a lot in the NFL.
by sfgfan on Nov 5, 2008 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it still hasn't amounted to wins
both sides have not been looking good lately. it doesn’t matter if the offense has put up an increase of 7 points a game if they still can’t close the game out.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 5, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing it has amounted to wins.
I’m saying Martz puts the team in a better chance to win, and by putting up 7 more points than last year’s team, I’d say that’s a very fair assessment. As I said before, you can’t really blame Martz for all of O’Sullivan’s (and soon to be Hill’s) shortcomings. Martz inherited a lousy situation and has made some pretty good lemonade out of it.
by sfgfan on Nov 5, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my biggest issue
is when martz has had the chance to win he goes away from frank gore. he has kept it more competitive this year but has not been able to close the deal when the he could have. like i said before, martz has a high risk high turnover offense in which no matter who is in, they are going to turn the ball over. this team is not good enough to be like that and martz has to and i think will adapt to that.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 5, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hah.
Willis was a natural talent that was almost as sure a thing as there was in that draft. You can’t credit Singletary for Willis’ physical talent and his unique drive to learn. He could have learned from anyone, really.
Manny Lawson has pretty much been a failure since coming here. Don’t get me wrong, I like the talent in the guy but he has yet to show any of it on the field. He was drafted as a pass rusher, but was too raw at that, so they decided they’d make him a poor man’s version of Julian Peterson. However, he hasn’t stood out like a first rounder should either. I understand that it was odd that Nolan kept him out of the starting lineup, but isn’t it also odd that a first rounder hasn’t FORCED his coach’s hand by his fourth year (or third if you want to ignore last year’s injury riddled season)?
Singletary has done VERY little in terms of development. With the exception of Willis, he has right now exactly what he had when each of those players came into the league, physical talent but lack of consistency and identity. Lawson is identy-less. Haralson, a “natural pass rusher” has not developed into that. What has Singletary actually done with these guys?
Martz turned a HORRIBLE offense into one that actually resembles a winning offense. If the number of inopportune turnovers were reduced, this team may be tied for first with the Cards and not in a three way tie for last place. You can’t honestly say that taking a WHOLE unit and improving it isn’t a lot more impressive than taking a small sample of physically gifted players and hardly doing anything with them at all and actually believe it could you?
Martz offense is NOT intended to be run as a high risk offense. The QB running it was the one that opted to continually write his own script and paid the price for it. Martz has said all along that you need to get the ball out at a certain time otherwise nothings there. The problem with the offense the first half of the season has been that O’Sullivan doesn’t understand that and KEEPS looking even after his opportunities have come and gone.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bullcrap
They are 2-6! They were 2-6 last year too! The offense hasn’t showed squat. They still can’t win. Both the offense and defense are equally crappy. Martz has no advantage over Singletary.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get off your Martz bashing high horse.
I’m not saying Martz is a savior or anything like that. Hell, I’m not even saying he should stay. I’m just saying that he has done a whole lot more for this team than Singletary has.
I present to you a VERY valid argument and your infinite wisdom responds with “bullcrap.” You bash Martz for an offense that “hasn’t done squat,” yet you praise Singletary for doing exactly just that with his defensive players, too. You’re just hating on Martz because it’s the freaking flavor of the weak, and it’s just ridiculous.
If the 49ers were 6-2, you’d be completely fine with all the mistakes O’Sullivan (or Martz, as you like to blame him for O’Sullivan’s overall lack of learning) has made.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
singletary wasn't the defensive coordinator over those players
they have done equal. there is no advantage to either side.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are they 6-2?
no! so it doesn’t matter. i didn’t start bashing martz. you were the one who said martz has done more than singletary. they are equal in the matter.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You said that Singletary has a shot at staying but you think Martz would be gone no matter what. I’d say that is saying they aren’t equal, wouldn’t you?
How can you honestly say someone that can’t even improve the players in ONE UNIT has done the same as a coach who has improved the overall production of an entire unit.
I KNOW that the production hasn’t yielded wins. I’m not saying it has. But it’s clear to me (and I’m hoping others) that Martz has done a whole lot more to help put this team in position to win than Singletary has. That’s my main point. Martz gives this team a better chance to win than Singletary does, and in turn, McCloughan and York would be hardpressed not to see that.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
at the end of the year
i think singletary has a better shot at staying than martz. i don’t feel the 9ers will look at martz as a HC canidate. thats why i feel that martz will go. as for the OC position they may keep martz. my whole point from the start is that they may butt heads too much over offensive philosophy.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing, though.
The whole problem during the last four years was that Nolan was too involved in the offensive side of things when he was clearly unqualified to do so. Singletary may be even less qualified to do so, as he hasn’t even been a coordinator and is viewed as a very weak X’s and O’s guy.
I don’t think it is his place to tell Martz what to do, and if he really wants to succeed in the NFL, he needs to be able to give his offensive coordinator autonomy, as Singletary himself really has no offensive background whatsoever.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but
singletary is in place to tell martz whatever he wants because he is the HC. it is clear that the offense has to start playing ball control and run it more. you can see it just being a fan and watching every sunday. singletary is a defensive guy. but martz has to know when to adjust his offense. i think singletary will push him to make some tweaks that should be made. he already has with putting in hill and baas which i think are the best moves right now. we’ll see if they pan out.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great
I really look forward to the days of Singletary making the offensive plays calls. Can anyone say 2-14?
Martz has added over 7 pts./game over last season, in one year with garbage for QB’s. He’s done his job. Who would have done better?
by methodrampage on Nov 4, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Inserting Hill and Baas....
… were more moves of desperation rather than well thought-out moves. Of course you’re going to bench O’Sullivan after all the mistakes he’s made.
I didn’t say Singletary doesn’t have an opinion in the offense, but ultimately, he knows very little about how to evaluate offensive talent, let alone how to use them.
by sfgfan on Nov 5, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
move of desperation
not really. if the qb in place and guard in place are playing like crap then you should take em out and put someone else in. its not desperation. its common sense.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 5, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except..
… when the backup QB was actually a third string QB 8 weeks ago and the guard got beat out while he missed time due to injury. Neither player is guaranteed to stick either, but the 49ers have nothing to lose by trying it. That’s desperation.
by sfgfan on Nov 5, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
shaun hill
is the starter because smith got hurt. otherwise Smith would be starting now. That has nothing to do with deperation. And Snyder was struggling to block midgets so in came Baas. Not desperation.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 5, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm saying.
Baas got beat out by the guy who “was struggling to block midgets.” What makes him any better? Nothing. The team is just throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks.
by sfgfan on Nov 5, 2008 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
teams doing well
also go to depth if someone is struggling. its not desperation then. the 9ers are doing exactly that. going to depth because the guys in place are not cutting it.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 5, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think sfgfan’s point is that it’s not desperation to go to depth when you actually have it. When you don’t have real depth, you’re just hoping to be surprised by somebody who you don’t believe in.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 5, 2008 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we don't believe in Hill
as i recall the only spark they had on offense last season was Hill. I’m very much more comfortable with him being the guy than JTO. Thats not desperation. We know Shaun Hill can play better because we’ve seen him before.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 6, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You believe what you want...
… and I’ll believe what I believe. The way I see it, if Hill was THAT much better than O’Sullivan, he would have forced his way into the lineup, Martz be damned.
by sfgfan on Nov 6, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see
if Hill plays better than JTO which he probably will, what are you going to say then? the qb competition was a joke. jto knew the offense already and that was the only thing that gave him a step ahead of hill and smith. hill will play better than JTO
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by maveric_87 on Nov 6, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the offense
the offensive production has not yielded wins
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't praise singletary either
i was simply making a point that he has done equal to what martz has
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think that...
1) singletary has made it pretty clear that martz’s offense is not what he wants to run. in fact, singletary has, without actually saying it, hinted that the offense right now is fucked up because martz’s play-calling and game-planning is diametrically opposed to the personnel they have.
2) regardless of how singletary does for the rest of the season, the job search is going to be open after the season. if the 49ers choose to hire singletary permanently, that would mean martz got passed over twice for the job. he wouldn’t be the first coach ever to negotiate a release from his contract.
3) martz hasn’t given the 49ers any reason to fire him? first, see my point (1) above. second, the niners are the highest sacked, and highest giveaway team in the league.
4) it’s pretty clear that the martz pick at OC was pushed primarily by nolan. given mcloughan’s background in seattle, and jed’s connection to the 80’s WCO teams, i don’t think either of them are at all enamored with the high risk, high reward offense that martz runs.
by Florida Danny on Nov 4, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sacks are nothing new for Martz.
But is it really appropriate to blame the turn overs on him? He’s not the one fumbling or making bad decisions and throwing picks. I actually think Martz is doing a decent enough job with what he has at QB and this should be about what the Niners front office should have expected.
by methodrampage on Nov 4, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
sacks and turnovers are nothing new in his offense. look at the 2001 rams super bowl team.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait.
Method said that sacks are a part of Martz’ offense, not turnovers. As a matter of fact, he even as if it is even fair to blame the turnovers on Martz. I think the turnovers are more on O’Sullivan than Martz. Heck, I even think a lot of the sacks are more on O’Sullivan than Martz.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Turnovers are part as well.
The 2001 Rams led the NFL in turnovers yet made the Super Bowl. It’s a high-risk offense that will result in both turnovers and sacks.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 4, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
While some of his playcalling is a little mind-boggling, he’s done a pretty good job with an offense that isn’t much different from last year’s, in terms of personnel. He couldn’t be expected to cure ALL of the problems in less than a year’s time.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible
But it would more than likely take Smith reworking his contract. This would kind of make sense for both parties. Smith isn’t going to command much on the open market and the 49ers would still probably provide him with the best opportunity to play. With a restructured 2-3 year deal Smith could have the opportunity to start for a couple years, or less depending on how he actually plays, while the Niners hopefully groom a new QB.
by methodrampage on Nov 4, 2008 1:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Possible
Yes or no? It’s a little too early to say. Taking from a couple of points above, it will take a lot of things to go a certain way in order for it to even be remotely close to being a “yes.”
First and foremost, the team will have to set up it’s coaching staff moving forward. This includes everyone from Mike Singletary all the way down to Ted Tollner, as a new head coach would probably bring in his own staff. If the current staff stays on as it is situated, there is very little chance Smith stays. The system just doesn’t quite fit him (being told where to throw the ball, instead of allowing him to go through progressions), and the coaching staff (and maybe players) may (or may not) have negative feelings toward him.
Secondly, his contract is a complete monster right now. Even if the 49ers cut him, he’d still cost them somewhere between $5M to $6M in guarantees. The only way he stays on is if he (and his agent, Condon) agree to rework his base salary figure down to around the league’s veteran minimum (from $9M+) and replace the majority of that money with performance/roster incentives. While it’s completely likely that this could be done (Smith seems like a team guy, as he’s still sticking around, so he may be willing to come back on a “put up or shut up” kind of deal), it is also likely that Smith would like to sever ties with the 49ers now rather than later.
I still think Smith has the tools to be a solid NFL QB. He’s not going to be Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Peyton/Eli Manning or anything like that, but there’s nothing wrong with a solid QB if you can put players around him that make him look better than solid. He just needs to find himself a little stability.
As I pointed out, there are a lot of factors. No one really knows where the coaching staff situation will go, let alone the willingness of Smith to work out a new deal (and stick with the team). The question posted by Fooch will probably be best answered in about two or three months.
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why bother
Give the job to Hill, draft Colt McCoy, let him watch for one or two years and then hand the reigns over.
Smith needs a change of scenery. I think he can be a valuable back up somewhere and given the right system could lead a team to some wins in case of an injury. Just dont let it be with the 49ers.
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by SoCal As Fan on Nov 4, 2008 2:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Shaun Hill is clearly capable of running this offense for the next two years. Of course, so was JT O’Sullivan after week 3….
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by howtheyscored on Nov 4, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm voting no here, because I think Alex Smith is bad at football.
by mikev on Nov 4, 2008 3:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
mikev...
…once again with the best analysis on the thread. the overwhelming reason that the niners shouldn’t keep smith is because he’s not good. period. no reason to throw good money after bad based solely on a set of hypotheticals that contradict past experience.
by Florida Danny on Nov 4, 2008 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hypotheticals = incentive-laden deal.
I don’t think anyone here is suggesting Smith return at the $12M+ figure he is due next season. I think the “will he be back” is primarily under the assumption he either reworks his deal with the 49ers or he gets cut and signs a new deal at somewhere close to the veteran minimum (because chances are, anywhere he goes he will have to sign something similar with incentives and all that).
by sfgfan on Nov 4, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex's picture above...
Anybody think Alex is about to tell Ferris he’s his hero?
by StepUp on Nov 5, 2008 2:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
heyell yea
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