Who's our QB?
by maveric_87 on Nov 5, 2008 2:03 PM PST
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Obviously right now it is Shaun Hill which I completely agree with. But what about the future? I think we should draft a QB. I don't know what round to do it in, but I do think our boys should draft someone to make a project out of. But who's going to be the guy til then? Say Hill doesn't play well. Do we go after Derek Anderson who was recently benched for the so-called QB of the future in Cleveland? Do we go after Kurt Warner if he's released by the Cards? What do we do? I love everyones response even when the conversation gets heated. Makes it fun because we all know how important this sport is to us. I'm leaving this one wide open.
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Warner
Why would you think the Cardinals would release Warner? He’s in the middle of an MVP caliber season.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 6, 2008 11:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i said if
there is always the possibility they could let go of warner. you have to goo to youthe eventually. i don’t think they would but you never know….this is the NFL
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Nov 6, 2008 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah and maybe the Saints will release Drew Brees because he's too short.
by methodrampage on Nov 7, 2008 7:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dont be stupid
theres a very big difference between brees and warner. its called age!
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Nov 7, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't cut a QB when he's putting up MVP type numbers.
No matter how old he is and he’ll be with the Cardinals until he stops producing like he is (at which point the Niners shouldn’t have any interest). Warner is as valuable to the Cardinals as Brees is to Saints. I find it rather stupid to talk about things that have less than a 1% chance of happening.
by methodrampage on Nov 10, 2008 8:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
QB of the "future"
I think the team should take one of the many QBs that look like they’ll be rated as 2nd or 3rd round talents. I really don’t think this is a year to take a first round QB, not to mention the fact that the 49ers have plenty of other needs that should prevent them from forcing a pick in the first round.
With that said, I sure hope the team allows whomever they draft to learn a little from the bench. I don’t know for sure about these things, but I can’t see the harm in learning from the bench. In order to do that, though, they need a solid veteran that can play in whatever system it is that they will be in next year. If Martz stays, I’m fine with Hill or O’Sullivan going another year while the rookie adjusts mentally (taking in the playbook and all that). If Martz goes, the door is wide open in terms of who will be QB next season, as it will all depend on the new head coach (as I still believe Martz won’t be gone unless Singletary is as well) and new coordinator.
by sfgfan on Nov 6, 2008 1:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Miami should be our role model
Yeah I am 100% in agreement with with drafting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round and trying to develop him. I think Hill will be a decent stop gap solution. But if he turn out to be terrible we need to bring in a veteran for 1 or 2 years to buy developing time for our rookie. This is exactly what Miami is doing now with Pennington and Henne. Obviously it probably won’t work out as well for us because Pennington has been playing phenomenal. But at the very least it will buy some time for the young QB before getting thrown to the wolves on a bad team like Smith was. Warner is not a possibility because 1) he’s not getting released 2) he might retire 3) he’s not going to come to a rebuilding team like the 49ers (even with Martz). I think someone like Derek Anderson might be our best possibility or maybe Leftwich.
by fredfotch on Nov 7, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ive been thinking anderson too
decent player to fall back on. he is just having a bad year. i think he is the best option for going with a vet.
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by maveric_87 on Nov 7, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he is probably somewhere between what he did last year and what he’s done so far this year. He would probably fit well with the Martz system because he has a strong arm too.
by fredfotch on Nov 7, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes us think that Anderson is “just having a bad year”?
If you take the second half he had last season, then you’re looking at a guy with a year and a half of starting experience, the last year of which has been bad. It’s really easy to be hypnotized by his shiny numbers from the first half of 2007, but nobody has seen that version of Derek Anderson in over a year.
Now, I don’t mean to sound as negative about Anderson as all that. I like the guy. I think he’s as good a choice as anybody if your expectations are tempered. But I also think that he’s far from a guarantee to even be slightly above average.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 7, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not a guarantee
i dont think hes a guarantee either but if you look at who will be availabe at the end of the year i think he may be the best option
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Nov 7, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What would it take to...
even get DA? He’s under a new contract, so he would be available only via a trade or after being released. I’m not opposed to a trade, but with his new, fairly high-dollar contract, why would we do it, when he’s likely not much better than the existing stable of horses we have now?
Let’s face it, the Browns gambled they would get a DA on the upswing, not at his very short pinnacle. It’s not like DA stands out as either an experienced vet to learn under or a rising star. And don’t add Leftwich into that equation, either.
Don’t settle for a change, just because it’s a change. We need change to get better and with a plan in mind. Live with Hill/Smith for a while and draft a 2nd/3rd round QB or find a diampnd in the rough free agent QB.
by StepUp on Nov 7, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson's contract
Via Rotoworld
2/29/2008: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $14.5 million in guarantees, including a $7 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives based on Pro Bowls and performance. 2008: $950,000, 2009: $1.45 million (+ $5 million roster bonus), 2010: $7.45 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2011: Free Agent
He’s probably not worth a trade. I’d rather restructure Smith’s contract.
by methodrampage on Nov 10, 2008 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Nov 6, 2008 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Chris Sims!!!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 7, 2008 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why people love Simms
He has never really done anything in the NFL and wasn’t all that great in college. Now QB rating isn’t the best statistic, but he has played about the equivalent of 1 full year in his career and has a rating of 71. He also hasn’t played in two years and couldn’t beat Brian Griese or Garcia (who is still good, I can’t believe we got rid of him) for the job. What has he done to show that he is any good?
by fredfotch on Nov 7, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
QB Rating
I think that it’s kind of short-sighted to use just one stat as a benchmark for how well he’s done. His QB rating is tied to a whole heap of factors, not just himself.
by sfgfan on Nov 7, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Simms wasn't...
exactly tearing it up with the Bucs when he lost his spleen. He hasn’t done anything since. So, why even be interested in him other than as a back-up? We’ve got enough back-ups! We need a starter.
by StepUp on Nov 7, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tearing it up.
I’m not saying he’s some kind of superstar. I’m just saying, like Alex Smith, it’s not like he’s had a whole lot of help. I’m not even saying he’s going to stick as a starter, but you can’t honestly say he’s a worse option than O’Sullivan or Hill. He’s probably got just as much potential (if not more) as both.
If you don’t have a starter, why not look for someone who may be one. There’s nothing wrong with having a QB who just manages things. The Titans are getting away with it. The Bears and Ravens have gotten away with it before. If you currently don’t have any starters on your team, what do you have to lose? It’s not like chirop1 was trying to pass Simms of as the next coming or something. It’s just a matter of trying to find a “diamond in the rough,” but in this case, just finding a shard of copper or something may be just as good.
by sfgfan on Nov 7, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Simms...
improves anything. “Maybe” he’s a little better? Are we that desperate? I think with an improved O-line (an offseason absolute must priority) what QB’s we have now will be “a little” better anyway. I can’t get too excited about Simms’ mediocre future prospects.
by StepUp on Nov 7, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can't say he's worse you can't say he's better
You’re going to claim he’s better than Hill or O’Sullivan based on what? Different players different circumstances. It’s like the Smith/Rodgers comparison, to a lesser degree.
by methodrampage on Nov 10, 2008 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can use any stat you want with Simms, he is just not that good. His TD to Int ratio is 12:19, his Net Yards per Attempt is 5.2, his adjusted (for ints) net yards per attempt is 4.0. By way of comparison, the same statistics for Derek Anderson are 43:34, 6.3, and 5.1. You can blame the supporting cast all you want, but Tampa Bay isn’t exactly awful. Jeff Garcia came in the next year (2006) after Simms got injured and threw for 13 TDs compared to 4 Ints. He also put up NY/A of 6.8 and ANY/A of 6.6. I think the bottom line is its pretty clear that Simms isn’t very good.
The point about the Bears, Ravens and Titans is well taken but we aren’t at the point where our defense can win games. Even if we were, I would take other guys ahead of Simms.
by fredfotch on Nov 7, 2008 5:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
More than Simms.
Yes, it would take more than Simms to win games, but the 49ers don’t have more as it stands anyway. As I said, it’s not like I’m saying he’s a guaranteed return or that the 49ers should stop looking for another QB (in the draft, trade or free agency), but I’m just saying he’s worth as much as shot as anyone else could be.
by sfgfan on Nov 7, 2008 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MIKE VICK PLEASEE!
There has to be a Matt Ryan in this upcoming draft! But what i’m honestly looking forward to is Mike Vick coming out of jail and straight to the niners. I promise i will start using my season tickets from then on. I hope they have some sort of football league behind the slammers so he can increase his damn accuracy. MIKE VICK FTW!
by newbtoob on Nov 8, 2008 1:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Nov 8, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Vick is fun to watch when he runs.
Michael Vick is not a good quarterback.
No.
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by groug on Nov 8, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst. Idea. Ever.
Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Nov 8, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay if we don't like Simms...
How about Brian Griese!!!!!! ;-)
In all seriousness, I do think that guys like Simms and Griese are better than what we have but not as good as what we need. Derek Anderson was a gamble on Cleveland’s part. They thought he was more than a one year wonder… but we’ve all seen the guys who step in and have a great year before teams get film on them and can effectively gameplan for them.
In the end, I believe that the 49ers QB is not currently in the league. I think we should take a long term view of rebuilding the franchise by stocking the lines and shoring up the defense. Next year we should be looking for a QB. Grabbing a veteran between now and then would be fine as long as we recognize it as a stop gap move.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 8, 2008 6:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
The team should sign Steve Bono.
Second to None!
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Nov 9, 2008 1:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
ill second that
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Nov 10, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about Matt Cassel, there’s no way the patriot are gonna spend a lot of money for a backup.
by ro128487 on Nov 9, 2008 4:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Patriots did draft O'Connell in the 3rd last year.
So they might not be looking to sign Cassel but Cassel hasn’t looked impressive enough to command a lot of money.
by methodrampage on Nov 10, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he a Free Agent?
Or would he have to be acquired via trade?
The Pats have to realize they have a real commodity on their hands right now.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Nov 10, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be a FA
A real commodity? He looks like a decent back-up QB. I do realize that’s a good thing to have but I’d wouldn’t get my panties all up in a bundle for him. Less the fumbles, JT O’Sullivan has played just about as good as Cassel with a lot less to work with at WR.
Cassel is slightly intriguing if only because between college and the NFL he made his first start at QB this season. So I’d imagine it’d be difficult to rate what kind of ceiling he might have just because he hasn’t played everyday since high school. But with that said, he hasn’t looked overly impressive with the Patriots this year.
by methodrampage on Nov 10, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
i think he actually believes that.
by good as gold on Nov 10, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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