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"I Told You So!!" Many of the fans here were very critical when I mentioned that Foster can be a featured back if and when the 49ers decide to trade Gore for a franchise QB or a high draft pick.

DeShaun Foster played a decent game. I think if he is given the chance to at least touch the ball 5-10 times a game, things might happen. It also could help Gore by giving him some time to rest during a game. I mean, Foster is not a great RB. But, at least he can give us more than what Robinson can give. The team can use Robinson ala Harry Sydney since Mike was a QB anyway.

The 49ers can follow in the footsteps of the Giants with Jacobs, Ward, and Bradshaw; the Panthers in Williams and Stewart; Titans in White and Johnson, among others. An NFL team can never have enough good RB's in their roster. Remember the Chargers last year and other previous years, with Turner and LT? Besides, Foster fits the teams salary cap quite well (unless he holds out next season for a better contract).

Hopefully Gore can just rest his body for next season. It may also be wise to preserve him from future injuries since the team is not in contention anyway.

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RB duos

There is certainly some value in quality RB duos. Although I don’t think the 49ers need to go as far as splitting carries down the middle. The Falcons use Norwood about 6 carries a game…The Vikings use Chester Taylor about the same.

Before today, Foster had 7 more carries than J.T. O’Sullivan, so it might be worth using him a little more. Given that he’s signed to a 2-year deal, would he really hold out next year? I guess he could ask for his release….

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by Fooch on Dec 14, 2008 10:56 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t even think Foster overrates himself as much as Fuller overrates him, and thus is very very unlikely to hold out. He should hire Fuller to be his agent.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 7:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah...

not quite

I see the future, and it is Pablo

by CB30 on Dec 15, 2008 7:08 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Listen...

When I suggested that the 49ers offer to trade Gore for a quality QB, I said that maybe since they have Foster signed for two years they could use him as the featured back for next year. That is if the team would trade Gore. As I mentioned above, maybe the team should use him a little bit more and give him 5-10 touches per game. That would include receptions, not only rushes. With the 49ers roster this year, if and when Gore is not playing, who would you rather use as the featured back? Robinson? No way! Clayton? Is he any better than Foster? I mean, since he is on the roster, play him. That is all I am trying to say.

Here are his career stats:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=3562

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 15, 2008 1:52 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I suggested that the 49ers offer to trade Gore for a quality QB…

Here’s where I get lost on the idea, though: 1) What “quality QB” can we reasonably expect to trade Frank Gore for? and 2) What past examples of this kind of move support that the possibility is reasonable?

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by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2008 3:11 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even better question:

What holds more value to a team: a “quality QB”, or a HB of Gore’s caliber?

I’d lean toward the former.

by sfgfan on Dec 15, 2008 3:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well to rephrase

why would we dump Gore when we would probably have an easier time finding our own quality QB?

by boonitez on Dec 17, 2008 8:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easier time?

Yeah, the 49ers have had a REAL easy time finding a QB since stumbling upon a team who didn’t value Steve Young’s intellect and ability.

by sfgfan on Dec 17, 2008 9:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true

but whats easier? Finding one of the top 5 RB’s in the league or finding a passable, mediocre QB? I think it’s almost fair to say we already have both. Hill certainly hasn’t disappointed.

by boonitez on Dec 17, 2008 9:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garcia, baby! GARCIA!!!

Apparently, this may always be a point of contention among Niner fans.

And I know, howie, I know… You don’t like Garcia.

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by JRPhillips on Dec 18, 2008 10:03 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garcia...

… was someone they lucked upon too, if you think about it. A Bay Area native that was banished to the CFL (CFL, right?) wanted to return home.

I liked Garcia. I just have a hard time believing/admitting that he was the result of good scouting.

by sfgfan on Dec 18, 2008 10:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn’t he the result of a certain silver-haired genius?

As I recall the story, when Walsh was coaching Stanford, they played a game against San Jose and a certain Jeff Garcia. Stanford won, but Walsh was impressed by the play of Garcia. Here my memory is a little fuzzy, but later when Garcia entered the draft, Walsh made a bunch of calls around the NFL telling teams to take a chance on Garcia. Long story short (too late), when Garcia headed to the CFL (you are correct, my good man), Walsh told Garcia that if he ever went back to the NFL, Garcia was coming with him.

Garcia eventually dethroned Doug Flutie as the starting quarterback of their team, and he went on to lead his Canadian brethren to the Grey Cup, and Walsh eventually went back to the Niners. When he did, he called Garcia and told him to pack his bags and head back home to California, so he could try out for the Niners.

So you’re right, I don’t think Garcia was the result of good scouting, but Bill Walsh did see something there he really liked, and Garcia’s had a pretty good career since. Despite Howie’s disdain for the red-headed stepchild of 49ers quarterbacks.

I saw the Jeff Garcia Beyond the Glory. Good stuff, filled with so much personal tragedy and so many setbacks, I ended up an even bigger fan of Garcia than I really should be.

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by JRPhillips on Dec 18, 2008 11:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m guessing that Beyond the Glory contained some very dramatic narration

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 18, 2008 11:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course

Still, when you have two siblings die at a very young age, it’s tough to not sound dramatic. It was a great story, though.

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by JRPhillips on Dec 18, 2008 1:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

I know Garcia was a result of Bill Walsh’s influence on the franchise, but I never heard the story told like that. Very interesting story, thanks for sharing it.

I wonder what the 49ers would have been like had they listened to Walsh and drafted Jake Plummer? Wasn’t he a big fan of Plummer?

by sfgfan on Dec 18, 2008 11:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember hearing that too. Who was the GM at the time, and who was the coach? I feel like he was ignored because the new GM was trying to assert their authority over the team, but I don’t remember the full story there.

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by JRPhillips on Dec 18, 2008 2:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Policy and Mooch

Mooch had just been hired that off-season, and he and Policy supposedly liked Druckenmiller over Plummer. Why? I have no idea.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 18, 2008 2:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Slight Correction:

Now that I think about it, Policy actually held the “President” title, though he was essentially in charge of the GM duties. Dwight Clark may have held the title of GM by that point (though he was always pretty much Policy’s right hand, anyway).

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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 18, 2008 3:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Couldn’t he throw a refrigerator through the uprights from the 50 yard line on his knees, or something?

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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2008 3:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he was renowned for being able to beat an Oldsmobile into submission.

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by JRPhillips on Dec 18, 2008 4:00 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me just be the first to say that Vega is a big fat cheapo jerk. And that opinion is in no way colored by the fact that I’m not good enough to beat him.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2008 4:13 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I most certainly do not.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 18, 2008 10:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmmm...

The team has had Gore for 4 seasons now. In those 4 years, how many productive years has the team had with “Gore’s caliber” of play? I like Gore, too. But, if the team can coax someone to give up their QB, i.e. Brady, or Matt Schaub, then why not? Or, offer Gore for a high draft pick, like the number 1 overall. With that pick and their own 1st round pick, they could have a “stud” NT and another RB who could be similar or better than Gore.

Is there truly a need for an example for this? Well, okay then. How about the San Diego Chargers giving up the chance to pick Michael Vick and instead getting LT and Drew Brees. The 49ers could get it done that way.

I mean, if the team could trade away a Joe Cool to the Chiefs because of Steve Young, why not trade Gore to become a better football team?

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 15, 2008 4:31 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Montana/Young

I definitely get your point. Two quick counters. First, Gore is signed to a nice cap-friendly contract, while an unproven first round pick will cost you another monstrous signing bonus with no guarantee of anything.

As for Montana, well he was 36 when the 49ers traded him and coming off major elbow surgery that cost him virtually 2 full seasons. When he went to KC he played for 2 more years then retired.

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by Fooch on Dec 15, 2008 4:54 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What? Gore for Brady? Gore for Schaub? That’s insane.

Your example of a time when a running back was traded for a quality quarterback was the Chargers not picking Michael Vick in the draft?

At no point did I say, “I’m totally against trading Gore to improve the team.” I might be sentimentally opposed to it, but obviously: if you can improve the team, you improve the team. It seems like you’re missing my point entirely. I’m not saying “Don’t do it!” I’m saying “Okay, now tell me HOW you do it.”

I’m pretty sure that there is no precedent for the kind of move you’re suggesting here. If there was a history, even a small one, of a running back, which in today’s NFL is a fairly replaceable commodity, being traded for a “quality” quarterback, which we appear to be defining as a “Matt Schaub or above”, which is nowhere near as common, then I might be giving this idea a lot more due. But as it stands, I could go out and say “Let’s trade Nedney for a quality wide receiver!” and it would be the same thing. Here’s a trade that improves the team. Nedney is a guy who everybody likes. Can you trade him for a guy who is going to step in and take Bruce’s job? I’ve never seen it happen.

I am ALL FOR ideas. I’m just trying to find out where the idea and reality intersect.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2008 6:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you can probably count on one hand the number of good player for good player trades that have happened in the NFL the last few years. Every trade is either a guy being traded for draft picks (the vast, vast majority), a guy being basically given away for salary cap reasons (also usually for draft picks), or a guy a team doesn’t want/need being traded for another guy a team doesn’t want/need. Other than that trades are pretty much non-existent in the NFL.

The only ones I can think of are Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis and Dre Bly for Tatum Bell. Any others?

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 7:52 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, that’s two more than I was able to think of.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2008 8:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there is a reason there is no NFLTradeRumors.com

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 9:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Add these:

May 2, 1983 : Baltimore Colts traded John Elway to the Denver Broncos for Mark Herrmann, Chris Hinton and their first-round pick in the 1984 draft.

•Oct. 31, 1987 : Los Angeles Rams traded Eric Dickerson to the Indianapolis Colts in a deal involving three teams — Colts traded Cornelius Bennett to the Buffalo Bills and sent Owen Gill, their first- and second-round picks in the 1988 draft and first-round pick in the 1989 draft to the Rams; Bills traded Greg Bell and their first-round pick in the 1988 draft and first- and second-round picks in the 1989 draft to the Rams.

Ahman Green to Green Bay – Ahman Green was shipped from Seattle along with a fifth round pick for Fred Vinson and a sixth round pick. All Ahman did was rush for over 8000 yards in a Green Bay uniform.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 15, 2008 9:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok, that makes my point better than I could have

to find any precedent for a trade like this, you had to go back 21 and 25 years. The Dickerson trade is a good example, I can’t say I remember that, being that I was 7 at the time. The Elway thing is more of a draft trade since he never played for the Colts, not to mention a unique circumstance of a guy forcing a trade by threatening to go play baseball (does Sam Bradford throw a curveball?) The Green trade is just a silly example, the Seahawks traded a guy they didn’t want for some dude I’ve never heard of, they just screwed up on their talent evaluation and he went on to have productive years.

My point was that a trade like this is extremely rare, and you helped me make it quite nicely.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 9:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Rare but it happens, right?

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 7:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Define..

modern era.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 8:04 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The era...

… where a trade damages your salary cap. The era where an errant draft pick can set your team back (financially AND developmentally) for a handful of years. The era where a guy who hasn’t played a down in the NFL gets $20M+ to sign.

That is the modern era.

by sfgfan on Dec 16, 2008 9:18 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus whens the last time a team traded a proven starting caliber QB

Look, you might be able to trade Gore for some draft picks, although I have a sneaking suspicion that RB aren’t as valuable as you think , but you’ll never get a team to give up a proven starting caliber QB.

And if you bring up the Schaub trade I’m going to call you foolish because he was far having proven anything when he was traded.

by methodrampage on Dec 16, 2008 10:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Howtheyscored...

All I am saying is, to become a better team, teams need to become open minded when it comes to drafting/trading/signing players. Thus, I came up with the idea of what the Chargers did and how it became a success for them in terms of becoming competitive. Obviously, with Gore on board, the team hasn’t been over the stump that the 21st century has brought to the team. So, if the team can, I emphasize can, get a player who “could” make the team better, then why not go for that.

Another example of making a bold move is when the Cowboys traded Herschel Walker and got a whole bunch of players/draft picks in return. Walker was a pretty decent RB but certainly was not the RB he was in college. Yet Dallas got plenty in return and became SB contenders/winners.

So, while Gore is still young and a good RB, why not explore the possibility of trading him to make the team better, overall.

Another example of trading a star player to make the team better is the trade of Marshall Faulk to the Rams. Faulk was a really good RB for the Colts but they became better with Edge James.

So, that’s how you do it. Not naming names or positions anymore, if the 49ers are able to secure a player or two for Gore (maybe a draft pick here and there, as well) to make them a contender, then why not.

And, you could even say trade Al Everest for Adrian Peterson of the Vikes. Or, for that matter, you could say whatever you want to say, I don’t really care. I am merely trying to stir the pot by concocting a move to possibly make the 49ers better.

Obviously, if this was to become a reality, I have to impress the Yorks and convince them to hire me to become their GM and president. we all know it’s not going to happen. If it were in the first place, I wouldn’t be talking about this deal until after the season anyway, right?

And, may I remind everyone that the 49ers got a 1st round pick (18th pick overall) from the Chiefs for a 36 year old oft injured QB. And after all the wheelings and dealings of that years draft, the team ended up with Dana Stubblefield who anchored the defense for a few years.

I hope you get my point.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 15, 2008 9:22 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great point...

…on the Herschel Walker and Marshall Faulk trades. I could see such a deal for picks. The problem with acquiring players is the salary cap implications. But if you could get picks that could certainly make sense in the right situation.

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by Fooch on Dec 15, 2008 9:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks

Thanks, Fooch.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 15, 2008 9:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all he was saying is that we need to be realistic about what the 49ers could get if they traded Gore. To suggest they could get the #1 overall pick is obviously insane. To use a recent example: Marshall Faulk was traded for a 2nd and a 5th round pick. I can’t think of any reason the 49ers could expect more than that. Perhaps, a late first round pick? I think a 2nd or 3rd rounder is more likely. Another thing to keep in mind in trying to trade Gore is that he has had two major knee injuries and surgeries, and I don’t think many NFL GMs have forgotten about that. So if you want to advocate trading him for a 2nd round pick, that’s fine, let’s just be realistic about it

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 9:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That does sum it up nicely. Like I said, I have nothing technically against moving Gore (remember, sentiment is another issue) so long as it does improve the team for what is very preferably the long-term. But exactly like you say, while I’m open to the idea itself, I want to be realistic about the possibility.

It’s definitely a great idea if it works out… but the difficult part is working out how it does actually work out.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 15, 2008 10:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry, I didn't mean to speak for you Howie

I only speak for you when it involves something related to Savage Garden

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 15, 2008 10:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And...

when they traded Faulk to the Rams, the Colts drafted a guy named Edge James and it made them better, right? That’s the whole point.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 7:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

RB vs a QB.

It’s a lot easier to find a RB like James. It’s a lot harder to find a QB of the caliber you’re speaking of, trade or draft.

by sfgfan on Dec 16, 2008 9:17 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thus

Trade a RB for a QB who is already established.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 17, 2008 8:12 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That’s the opposite of “thus” in this case. Team’s don’t trade things that are hard to get for things that are easy to get.

Would you trade a mint Willy Mays rookie card for my Rich Aurilia? That’s extreme, but it’s the same idea. You don’t trade scarcity for abundance, and you can’t expect to be able to fool somebody into giving you scarcity when all you have to offer them is abundance.

The idea works like this: We can trade Gore for a quality QB and then replace Gore because RBs are easier to find. Now we have a quality quarterback and a good running back, while our trade partner just has Gore OR our prospective trade partner can keep their quality quarterback and just sign the guy that we were going to replace Gore with, so now they have a quality quarterback and good running back.

Why would a trade partner put themselves in a deficit like that? It doesn’t make sense.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2008 8:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay...

make it, “therefore,” then.

But, as I have stated before make the trade IF someone was willing to do it. If not, keep Gore and Foster, allow Foster to touch the ball 5-10 times per game and hope that Shaun Hill or whoever their QB will be would be good enough to take the team to the playoffs.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 17, 2008 9:00 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suspect the point of your post is simply, dangle Gore and see if there’s a trade partner (such as a team with a quality backup QB, like what Schaub used to be for the Falcons). If not, move on.

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by JRPhillips on Dec 17, 2008 9:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think this guy (like a lot of people around the internets) understands that for a trade to occur both parties must consent to it. It’s not like a girl breaking up with you where only one party has to consent to it.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 17, 2008 10:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the hell are you talking about???

Breaking up is like launching missiles from a submarine. Both people have to turn the key.

Anywho, my guess is Fuller isn’t saying it HAS to occur, but instead saying that due diligence should be performed to see if trading Gore for a quality QB could be done. Kick tires, but don’t feel obliged to make a trade if one doesn’t exist.

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by JRPhillips on Dec 17, 2008 10:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

alright.

That is exactly my point. But, people like flu does not have a clue because he wants to analyze things word by word.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 17, 2008 10:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All I try to do is inject some realism into something like this. You can say “let’s trade Gore for a quality QB” or “let’s trade Gore for the #1 overall pick” but that is just totally unrealistic to the point where it would be a waste of time (even though I’m sure most of us are not exactly lacking for spare time) to discuss it. If you want to really give some serious thought to what we could get for Gore (and how we would replace him with somebody who hasn’t already failed as an NFL starter), rather than the first thought that pops into your head, and then bring that up for discussion I would be all for it.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 17, 2008 10:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But, as I have stated before make the trade IF someone was willing to do it.

Yes, but this goes without saying. IF you can trade a 5th round pick for Peyton Manning, then you do it. IF you can trade Mark Roman for Julius Peppers and Steve Smith, then you do it.

Yes, IF you can improve the team by making a move, then you do it. Obviously. It goes without saying. As in, you don’t have to say it. It’s known. It’s universally understood. The whole point of saying anything about something that goes without saying is when there is a realistic scenario attached to it.

I’m just trying to suss out what that “realistic scenario” is. As far as I can tell, there isn’t one.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 17, 2008 10:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if Anne Hathaway offers me money to sleep with her I will accept

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 17, 2008 11:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What if she offers to trade you for Tom Brady?

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by JRPhillips on Dec 17, 2008 11:58 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m sure the Patriots would be all over that

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 17, 2008 12:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Realistic Scenario

We trade Frank Gore for Ryan Fitzpatrick. The Bengals could most definitely use a RB and Fitzpatrick is expendable with Carson Palmer returning next year.

by methodrampage on Dec 17, 2008 3:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

there you go

now that is a realistic scenario!

who wants to do that? all those in favor say aye

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 17, 2008 4:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay...

when you want to make your team better, do you say right away, “Okay, I would like to trade my number 1 RB for your punter or for your 6th round pick.” Obviously, you want to get the better part of the deal. I’m not saying to make the move just to make a move. Make the move or at least offer to make a move if you think that it would make the team better. So, be it the number 1 overall or the last pick in the first, the bottom line is, if it makes the team better then make the move. Makes sense?

And the point about his injuries, coming out of college and now in the NFL, that just makes my point even better. There are too many RB’s that do not have the injury history of Gore. I understand, too, that not too many RB’s play like Gore. But, if he is at least similar or a little better, wouldn’t you want to make the move? I would!

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 7:32 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, be it the number 1 overall or the last pick in the first, the bottom line is, if it makes the team better then make the move. Makes sense?

I’ve never said anything contradictory to this. I agree with this. It’s the method that I’m curious about.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2008 8:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Method?

Trade Gore to team that WILL give up what the 49ers ask for. Is that clear cut enough?

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 8:48 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My thing is, what team (or teams) is that, and what kind (not even specific) of package are we getting from them?

It’s always really nice to say “Trade x for a bunch of stuff to a team that will do it,” but it doesn’t really mean anything unless we have an idea of what bunch of stuff could actually be coming back and what kind of team could actually be willing to sacrifice it.

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by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2008 9:01 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So consider this...

IF the 49ers are asking for a first round pick or a starting caliber QB, WHO (meaning WHAT TEAM) do you think would give the 49ers what they’re asking?

This isn’t Madden. You can’t just go from team to team and check to see if the meter turns green to approve a trade. With the commonness of a “good RB” in this league, why would anyone give up a first rounder to bring in Gore. With your own first rounder, you will probably find someone that can do just as well as Gore but be four years younger and not have the past injury concerns.

Also, no one was willing to give up a whole lot for Michael Turner a year ago. Not that they’re the same, but production-wise, they’re not going to be THAT different.

Gore probably doesn’t have a whole lot of value to anyone other than the 49ers. Why does he have value to the 49ers? Because they only cost him a middle round pick and is signed for cheap. Why isn’t he of value to other teams? Because you perceive that it will cost them a high draft pick or another starting-caliber player.

by sfgfan on Dec 16, 2008 9:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah Madden

Reminds me of my Justin Fargas, Kwame Harris, ’09 2nd Round Pick for Anquan Boldin trade.

by methodrampage on Dec 16, 2008 11:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait...

does that mean u were playing as the raiders?!?

In the words of Charles Barkley, “That’s Trble”

by good as gold on Dec 16, 2008 11:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it’s always fun to start a Franchise as the worst team in the league and try to build up from that black pit of nothing.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2008 11:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i agree

but to be fair, we were’nt too far off.

by good as gold on Dec 16, 2008 3:57 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sfgfan...

I didn’t know that Howie hired you to be his lawyer. But, I was saying, trade him to a team who might, might, might, might, give up something the 49ers want and need. If they can get a 2nd rounder and they wanted a 2nd rounder, then go for it. If it is a first rounder, then, yipee!!!

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 9:33 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well.

If you’re saying that the 49ers want a 2nd rounder out of Gore, then I say that they’re undervaluing Gore in their offense, which is down-right stupid. If they think Foster, an injury-riddled, failure as a starter RB can produce just as well as Gore, then they’re totally mistaken.

Gore is a willing and able student. Foster? I’m not so sure about that. Foster and Gore are similar in that they both came into the league with fumbling problems. Gore has worked very hard to reduce those issues, and it shows. Foster? Not so much.

As for me being HTS’s lawyer, that’s just a lame way of attacking me instead of my points. Howie and I may agree on a lot of things, but that’s just the way it is. That’s why there is discussion, to see where people’s opinions are, no?

by sfgfan on Dec 16, 2008 9:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I say...

trade him for a 1st rounder, you’ll say no one will give up their 1st for Gore. I say 2nd rounder, now you say the 49ers are undervaluing him. How about this, the team should not trade Gore, even if they were offered, notice the IF, the 1st overall pick.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 9:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I say trade him for a 1st rounder, you’ll say no one will give up their 1st for Gore. I say 2nd rounder, now you say the 49ers are undervaluing him.

and thus, we don’t have a fit here, debate solved.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 16, 2008 10:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying don't trade Gore.

I’m saying no other team in their right minds would give anything of value back to the 49ers.

The only person who would be stupid enough to trade any value for Gore would probably be someone like Al Davis. Since there’s only one Al Davis, and he seems to have his fill of RBs, any trade of Gore for value would be highly unlikely.

by sfgfan on Dec 16, 2008 11:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jerry Jones is close

I mean Roy Williams for a 1st, a 3rd and then some?

by methodrampage on Dec 16, 2008 12:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but again, they are pretty set at RB with barber, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 16, 2008 12:22 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But if they did have a void a RB, Jones would be one of the few crazy/stupid owners to trade any value for Gore.

by methodrampage on Dec 16, 2008 1:25 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jones

Overlooked him. He and Davis are very similar, in my mind.

by sfgfan on Dec 16, 2008 1:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Big Difference:

Davis hasn’t had any plastic surgery.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2008 1:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I’d say at least not on his face…

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2008 2:44 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Davis is a whole lot more senile than Jones.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 16, 2008 2:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Besides...

Madden are for … ah whatever.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 9:34 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Besides...

I mentioned above the fact that Gore and Foster could co-exist and even help each others game by allowing Foster to touch the ball a few times.

2nd Infantry Division --- Second to None!

by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 9:47 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

flu like

I don’t even think Foster overrates himself as much as Fuller overrates him, and thus is very very unlikely to hold out. He should hire Fuller to be his agent.

Because I said so!

signed,
flulikesymptoms

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 17, 2008 8:07 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

These conversation strings are a lot easier to maintain if you use the Reply link.

Helpful tip of the day.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Dec 17, 2008 10:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ok, I don’t really understand what you are trying to say here, but if you are very clumsily trying to disagree with my take on Foster, here is my response:

I love Deshaun Foster, I was a student at UCLA when he was there and I saw him play many many times. I’ll never forget being in the 9th row at the Rose Bowl when he rushed for 301 yards against Washington in a battle of top ten teams and then was ranked #1 in ESPN’s Heisman poll the next day.

But if you look at his NFL career, the Panthers gave him a chance to be a featured back, and even signed him to a 3 year $14.5 million contract. He did not get the job done and they chose DeAngelo Williams over him. When he was released and became a free agent, the other 31 teams in the NFL could have signed him to be a featured back and all of them decided not to so he took a contract offer to be a #2 RB with the 49ers.

So then last week you declared him (I guess based on his 37 carry 78 yard season to date) to be a suitable featured back in the NFL. Then you thought his 18 carry 76 yard performance as a starter validated your declaration somehow. All evidence from his NFL career suggests he is not a featured back in the NFL, nothing he has done this year, and certainly nothing he did in one game last Sunday, has changed that fact.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 18, 2008 12:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WIN
“When he was released and became a free agent, the other 31 teams in the NFL could have signed him to be a featured back and all of them decided not to so he took a contract offer to be a #2 RB with the 49ers.”

Not only did all 32 teams decide they didn’t want him as a starter, but I’d be willing to bet quite a few decided he wasn’t even suitable for a backup, as the Niners weren’t/aren’t exactly the most attractive franchise to sign with. Not only was no reason to think he’d play in important/postseason games, but they have an established, clear-cut #1 back.

And it’s not like we’re talking about some kid out of college who nobody knows well enough to accurately judge, every team in the league has years of game tape and scouting reports on him. Long story short: DeShaun Foster is who we thought he was.

Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 18, 2008 1:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We SHOULD trade Gore

It would keep 49er fandom pure, and it would be an effective preemptive strike against bandwagoners that might show up on NN because we actually start “winning”.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Dec 17, 2008 10:15 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

band-wagoners

Of course, you have to know I’d be willing to sell my soul for more traffic, even if meant bandwagoners…Maybe we could mark them with a Scarlet B?

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by Fooch on Dec 17, 2008 10:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Foster

can not be a fulltime starter because he has been on the injury list way too much throughout his career. Thats why he’s not with the Panthers anymore and also why he lost his starting job to Deangelo Williams while with them. He’s a good backup to have.

Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.

by maveric_87 on Dec 17, 2008 7:40 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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