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The question of Scot McCloughan...

A few days ago, ninjames posted an interesting San Francisco Chronicle article in the Golden Nuggets.  In the article, Nancy Gay concluded that the 49ers simply had to bring in New England Patriots VP of Player Personnel Scott Piolo to be team president.  Personally, I'm not sure I see Pioli leaving his ivory tower to come out here.  I suppose President is a step up from Vice President, but still, it does not seem likely.

However, that did get me thinking about the 49ers GM, Scot McCloughan.  In reading over the comments here the past few months, there seems to be a bit of a divide as to the support for him as GM.  I'm posting this because I want to hear from the detractors. 

Is it his connection with Mike Nolan?  The problem in assessing the performance of McCloughan comes from the nature of his working relationship with Nolan.  McCloughan came to town following his job as Director of College Scouting for the Seahawks.  Nolan was put in charge of football operations and McCloughan was Vice President of Player Personnel.  We all know how that ended, with Nolan being stripped of "some" of his power and McCloughan being named general manager following the 2007 season.

Given his high profile position, I'm somewhat surprised there isn't more commentary on the job of Scot McCloughan.  I've seen some comments of people who think he should be canned.  My intuition has me believing he's a solid option.  The problem is separating out what he's done for the organization versus what Mike Nolan did for the organization.  That's particularly important since Nolan is gone now and it'll just be McCloughan (as I highly doubt Singletary gets big time personnel power if he's re-signed).

While it's probably not fair, it might be easiest considering them as one person.  Until this past year I'd imagine Nolan had final say, but I could certainly see them hashing out a lot of the details together.  Given how awful the team was when the pair took over, it's not surprising that the team is more talented now.  When you've hit rock bottom, the only place to go is up.

Free agency under McNolan has had its hits (Justin Smith, isaac Bruce) and misses (Jonas Jennings).  What I do like is the fact that the last two years the team has been able to convince folks to sign with the 49ers.  Of course, it helps to have a ton of cap space from which to offer huge contracts.  On the other hand, the 49ers have still been a bad team, so there had to have been some sort of sales job.

The draft has had mixed results, but is improving every day.  We won't even bother getting into the Alex Smith mess.  For the purposes of this conversation, we all know how that's gone.  And while the drafts haven't been homeruns, they've slowly started to yield benefits.  There are some guys that could still move to bust, but even guys like Davis and Lawson have flashed serious talent.  Others, like Michael Robinson, aren't spectacular, but do make legitimate contributions, even if just on special teams (round #):

2005 - David Baas (2nd), Frank Gore (3rd), Adam Snyder (4th), Billy Bajema (7th)

2006 - Vernon Davis (1st), Manny Lawson (1st), Michael Robinson (4th), Parys Haralson (5th), Delanie Walker (6th)

2007 - Patrick Willis (1st), Joe Staley (1st), Jason Hill (3rd), Ray McDonald (3rd), Dashon Goldson (4th), Tarell Brown (5th)

2008 - Chilo Rachal (2nd), Josh Morgan (6th)

There are plenty of busts mixed in, and some of the guys above still have plenty of work to do.  However, in going through that list, the 49ers have some quality foundation pieces going into 2009.

I realize this is all probably a little too rah-rah and I would still like to hear from the anti-McCloughan crowd.  I know there are some of you out there because I can recall some McClueless comments (among others).  As for the supporters, or at the very least the neutral folks, is McCloughan a guy who can get this ship righted?  He's got the proverbial keys to the car (I think that's a 16to80endzone type of line), so there really aren't too many excuses going forward.  Thoughts?

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Mike Holmgren,... and linemen

I’ve heard rumors that he wants to be a GM after coaching and the 49ers would be his choice because of his history there. Would he be a good choice? I don’t know, but it’s certainly interesting to think about.

As for McCloughan, this offseason will be a make or break year. The worst thing he could do would be to sign several big time contracts for slight improvements. We need to build through the draft, particularly the offensive and defensive lines. I would hope there is a scout who’s only job is to look at o-line prospects, but if not, there should be. That is an area the 49ers have seemed to address in late rounds and free agency recently, which would be fine if it weren’t highly paid veterans at the end of their career.
  
Hopefully Staley and Rachal end up being solid players, but I’m selfish, I want pro bowlers on the o-line, and I want current and future pro bowlers, not former pro bowlers. I don’t see any of the 49ers current lineman ever being that good.

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by albertoleecho on Dec 16, 2008 9:15 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Parys has become a good player. Hope he stays healthy throughout his career. But, talking about Piolo, it certainly wouldn’t hurt. Might bruise someone’s ego, but… take one for the good of the team.

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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 16, 2008 9:54 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think...

It’s not so much that people are anti-McCloughan, I think that people just want someone else with more ‘experience’.

A lot of people want Mccloughan to be fired for the sole reason of bringing in Holmgren.

by dodgers_suck on Dec 16, 2008 10:55 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty crappy drafting if you ask me

Especially considering that the Niners were drafting pretty high for all those picks. There is a decent foundation to build on but it’s probably not what it should be.

by methodrampage on Dec 16, 2008 11:15 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we can debate about McCloughan all we want

the bottom line is that he is absolutely certain to be fired at the end of the year. So a more productive debate might be “who should we hire next?” That is a far more relevant question at this point.

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 16, 2008 11:19 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McCloughan

How do you figure he’s “absolutely certain to be fired”? The guy got moved from being Nolan’s equal (or maybe even lesser) into a role where he can now become the leader. The team wouldn’t just play musical chairs unless they feel like he’s going to be around for at least next season.

Even better yet, if McCloughan was truly on his way out, the 49ers could have fired him along with Nolan, as they really don’t need a GM during the second half of a losing season.

by sfgfan on Dec 16, 2008 11:38 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because I believe the organization truly does want a change of direction. I think they are going to look to bring in a President and also a new (and NFL proven) player personnel/football operations person, maybe even looking to hire a big name and make a splash in that regard. McCloughan was Nolan’s guy and I have to believe is still extremely tied to Nolan in the eyes of everybody in the organization. if you believe this Michael Silver article (and I do):

After last season, owners John and Denise DeBartolo York promoted McCloughan from vice president of player personnel to general manager with the intention of firing Nolan, sources close to the situation said. McCloughan’s first act as GM was to talk his bosses out of making a coaching change, persuading them that the team had enough talent to make a playoff run in ‘08 and that Nolan gave them the best chance to pull it off.

I just don’t see how they are going to view keeping McCloughan as the best way forward

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 16, 2008 11:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh.

I guess we’ll see when time comes. The way I see it, if you’re going to bring in a new GM/president, you should probably look to bring someone in early, as college scouting is an ongoing process.

by sfgfan on Dec 16, 2008 1:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bold statement

At least in my opinion. I added a poll to see how many people think he’ll be around next year.

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by Fooch on Dec 16, 2008 12:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there is a 100% chance he gets fired, give or take 0

by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 16, 2008 12:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree. The Yorks hopefully know that some sort of change is needed, and it’s not Singletary.

by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 16, 2008 12:35 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"But McCloughan's got a long-term contract..."

It seems that McCloughan’s exact responsibilities aren’t all that clear. For example, will next year’s HC (hopefully Coach Sing) have more or less autonomy with personnel and draft picks? McCloughan also said that he didn’t want to be GM unless Nolan remained as head coach at the beginning of this year. Well, Nolan ain’t the head coach anymore.

McCloughan sometimes has an eye for talent, but seems to lack a backbone in regards to management and his role in it. Anyone remember that murky (to put it kindly) news conference that Nolan, York, and McCloughan gave at the beginning of the year? It was a disaster, and he should have had the guts to tell the Yorks to fire Nolan.

Should he be retained for this next year, Coach Sing needs a GM with a killer instinct and a backbone. I don’t think McCloughan’s the answer.

by MondayMorningMontana on Dec 16, 2008 11:20 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Going into next season..

With just Scot, Paraag, Tumey, and whoever bean counter the 49ers have in the FO is doom for Singletary. Sing just doesn’t have the experience yet to overcome the current structure the 49ers have in the FO. I don’t have the feeling that the 49ers would be the Steelers in 2 years, so if the 49ers continue with this current FO, than Sing isn’t a good option at HC. No way.

Next season would be Jed’s de-facto one as the true Owner as well. That’s a whole lot of inexperience going into next season, at Owner, GM, and with Sing, HC.

by drummer on Dec 16, 2008 2:28 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here's an angle i don't see anyone mentioning...

mccloughan was a scout in green bay and director of college scouting in seattle. i’m trying to remember who was the head coach at both stops…hmmm…oh yeah, mike holmgren. if holmgren is, in fact, an option at some kind of “god of all things football” position above GM, it only stands to reason that mccloughan is just the man holmgren would be hiring to fill the GM position anyway. therefore, my view is that the probability of mccloughan being retained at GM increases as the probability of holmgren being hired at VP increases.

by Florida Danny on Dec 16, 2008 4:37 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Balmer...

Just wondering what some other people think of Balmer. He seems too undersized to ever play NT, but is he agile and talented enough to play DE? Does he fit into the 3-4 scheme or is he destined to play DT in a 4-3?

by 49er4life on Dec 17, 2008 8:53 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

size

He’s 6-5, 315 lbs. Looking at some quality nose tackles:

Wilfork: 6-2, 325
Hampton: 6-1, 325

Is it possible he’s too tall to be a nose tackle? Is the 10 lbs difference enough to make a difference?

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by Fooch on Dec 17, 2008 9:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think he's too tall.

It’s the overall build. Balmer is tall, but the issue is that his 315 pounds are spread out more. With guys like Wilfork or Hampton, their masses are more concentrated…

I guess what I’m trying to say is that Wilfork and Hampton have lower center of gravities, and that can help them hold their ground. Being a bit taller and weighing less could allow you to be pushed around a bit more. This is just all in theory, of course.

In my opinion, Balmer would probably be best playing a penetrating DT in a 4-3. If he can work on holding the point of attack and MAYBE take on more than one blocker, MAYBE he can play 3-4 DE.

by sfgfan on Dec 17, 2008 9:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so that kind of does mean he's too tall

That makes sense that his weight is spread too thin (or at least relatively too thin).

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by Fooch on Dec 17, 2008 11:05 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's probably more of a style of play thing

There is more to playing the NT position than just shear size. Balmer’s play, granted I haven’t seen much of it (but who of us has), probably just isn’t suited for the 3-4 NT. I’d imagine he was drafted more as a 3-4 DE or a 4-3 DT.

by methodrampage on Dec 17, 2008 11:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shaun Rogers

Who’s been playing a pretty damn good NT (who I also suggested the Niners trade for before the Browns landed him) is 6’4" 350lbs.

by methodrampage on Dec 17, 2008 10:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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