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Schefter reports 49ers will not retain Mike Martz

EDITOR'S UPDATE 12:45PM: Maiocco spoke with Mike Martz and he has not met with club officials yet and is under the impression he has NOT been fired yet.  He seems to think he'll be gone, but is working as a man still on the payroll.  This could get more bizarre by the hour.
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Ninjames was kind enough to include a link in the Golden Nuggets about this, but it seems worthy of a separate post.  Adam Schefter of nfl.com is reporting that league sources informed him that Mike Martz will not be back in 2009.  The 49ers are holding their end of season press conference tomorrow at 2pm so I'd imagine the official announcement will be made at that point.

I'd imagine Mike Singletary has some guys in mind as a potential replacement, but who really knows, right?  Maiocco has indicated in the past that he thought it would be a young QB coach.  Feel free to start brain-storming some names if you know of any.  I know Norv Turner is someone everybody wants.  However, the Chargers indicated Turner would not be fired even before they won the division.  Now that they're in the playoffs I'd imagine he sticks around there for another year.

I'll throw one name out there.  What about Ted Tollner, the 49ers current QB coach and assistant to the head coach?  He's getting up there in age, but he would certainly present some level of continuity.  His hiring as an offensive assistant in 2007 occurred two weeks before Shaun Hill took over as QB.  Hmmmmm....

Definitely more to come on this subject.

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So weird. I did like I said.

I went to sleep, woke up, and a decision seems to have been made.

by Ninjames on Dec 30, 2008 11:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I’m weary of what happened in 2004 under Tollner (though he clearly had no personnel to work with) and of our history of promoting a QB coach to OC “for continuity”, but I definitely see wisdom in this pick.

How about Eric Mangini?

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Dec 30, 2008 12:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Mangini

He’s a defensive guy. Here’s the stuff on him from his wikipedia page (the Jets Mangini page has been taken down):

Prior to coaching the New York Jets, Mangini worked for the New England Patriots under Head Coach Bill Belichick, first as their defensive backs coach (2000–2004), and later as their defensive coordinator (2005). Before that Belichick gave him a job as an assistant in the Cleveland Browns organization (1995). Mangini was part of the Baltimore Ravens’ inaugural staff in 1996, where he was a quality control/offensive assistant coach. From 1997–1999, he worked with the Jets as a defensive assistant/quality control coach. That was also when Belichick was assistant head coach/defensive coordinator.

Looks like he was offensive assistant early on but became a defensive guy eventually.

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by Fooch on Dec 30, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad, I totally thought he was OC.

Lemme search for who is on the market right now, including fired head coaches.

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Dec 30, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ted tollner????

i’m going to go with the same guy i suggested the past 2 years on maiocco’s blog. they tried to get him in 06 but the bengals didn’t give the niners permission because it was so late in the process:

ken zampese

why?

1) at 41, he’s young.
2) he is ernie zampese’s son, so he is a zampese offense guy, which is great for continuity (same system as norv’s).
3) he oversaw the development of carson palmer.
4) the bengals are a joke of a franchise, so he will definitely be open to leaving.
5) he’s not going to be getting any head coaching offers any time soon, which is also great for continuity.

by Florida Danny on Dec 30, 2008 12:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

more...

6) he was the QB coach when martz was the OC in st. louis…again, continuity.
7) he made jon kitna a good qb in CIN…another martzian quality
8) justin smith and ahmad brooks can tell him how great it is to be in san fran

by Florida Danny on Dec 30, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone like that makes sense. My guess is that it will be a younger, less brand name guy (maybe someone Singletary has worked with in Baltimore or has crossed paths with) rather than a “name” guy like Tollner, Norv, Chan Gailey etc. That’s my guess. But since none of us are in the Niners offices, it’s all just guesswork.

by GeoMak on Dec 30, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My question is

Isn’t it a good thing that Martz is leaving? I don’t mean that to sound snide. I’m not really a Niners fan, but he’s not been a great coordinator for them, has he?

by Tyler Bleszinski on Dec 30, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Martz

There have been some inconsistencies, but the offense is much improved over last year. One reason for keeping him is the need for some kind of continuity. Over the last six seasons, the 49ers have had six offensive coordinators. Given the complexities of NFL offenses and learning new systems, keeping Martz would allow the offense to grow at a normal pace. Martz runs an especially complicated offense, so bringing in somebody new not only means learning a new offense, but trying to forget all the gibberish in your head from Martz’s offense.

Of course there are also reasons for dumping Martz. One is that the Martz offense is so combustible that it doesn’t seem like a long-term solution. Also, the he was strictly a Nolan hire. McCloughan and York did not want him because they felt the 49ers personnel were not suited for that style of offense.

Me personally? I like the contrasting personalities and I think Singletary has shown he can keep Martz in line. At the same time, an improved year in 2009 and Martz could be off for another head coaching job. It’s a big pain in the butt is what it is. I think ideally, I wouldn’t mind finding a young position coach that would be our OC for more than just a couple seasons. I think that create the most long-term stability.

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by Fooch on Dec 30, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Martz made no bones about what he wanted...

And that was a job as HC somewhere, and it was very obvious that he wasn’t gonna get that job in SF. One thing people forget: Jay Zygmunt is a close friend of the Yorks, and Martz’s one time nemesis in STL. Those 2 hated each other. Zygmunt was the guy who found Warner. I think the feud between Martz and Warner caused some resentment from Zyg. So there was no way that the Yorks would endorse Martz for any long term solution. Plus, IMO, Martz and Nolan’s rigging of the QB “competition” was a joke, and Martz so far has negated 2 big $$ draft picks, one in Smith, another in Davis. I think Martz was just using Nolan and the 49ers as an audition for another job, and his choice at QB killed the team, as well as his playcalling. Really, Nolan’s hiring of Martz was to spite the Yorks because they demoted him. That’s how much of an idiot Nolan is. Plus, there was no way that Smith could be salvaged under Martz. Martz doesn’t want Smith, he really didn’t want Hill, and if the 49ers want to draft a QB to groom later, then a system, instead of Martz, makes a lot more sense.

by drummer on Dec 30, 2008 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing?

Maybe. One thing we know for sure is, like Fooch said, the offense improved drastically under Martz. We also know what Martz brings to the table as an OC and the same can’t be said for some other candinates who haven’t been OC before. If I’m Singletary I would have probably stuck with the known commodity here.

by methodrampage on Dec 30, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’m not a Martz fan, but sometimes the evil you know (and have already learned to rein in and succeed with) is better than the evil you don’t know.

Check out The Examined Life. Or don't. Whatever.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 30, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well all I know

Is that Schefter really has never led me astray, so I’m pretty certain Martz is gone.

by Ninjames on Dec 30, 2008 1:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

New OC...

Why not go with the trend of hiring with no experience, but big-time balls…Trent Dilfer.

by StepUp on Dec 30, 2008 2:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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