New Offensive Coordinator Options
by cuse7284 on Dec 30, 2008 4:22 PM PST
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With mike martz now officially fired, who do you all think would be a good fit for our niners? I wanted to start this thread so that people can post some rumors or suggestions. Things to keep in mind
A) fits with the Singletary mindset of smash mouth football
B) someone who will stick around and develop with Singletary for years to come. Mike Martz did a decent job with the niners and I dont think anyone will disagree that he could have stayed on with the team. However, he didnt seem to be a good long term solution.
I will start. How about our old friend NORV TURNER. Seems like he would be the perfect fit for us, other than the fact that hes the current head coach of the chargers. I do think that they will get beat badly this weekend and he could lose his job, thus making him a longshot candidate but one I would support.
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I don't have a good suggestion
but I don’t think it would be a good idea to bring Norv back. He’s obviously going to jump at any chance of a head coaching job, and that’s not the continuity we’re looking for. He’s part of the good ‘ol boys’ club, and will always have his name tossed around when there is a head coaching vacancy.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 30, 2008 4:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how many offers will be out there for Norv
I don’t think he will be fired by the Chargers, but if he is I can’t believe anybody would be offering him any head coaching jobs any time soon. He is pretty much the definition of re-tread at his point, unless he takes the Chargers to the Super Bowl I can’t imagine him being a very hot property.
by DiegoAsFan on Dec 30, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i would agree
except I felt that way after the Raiders fired him, and somehow he lands a plum job with one of the most talented teams.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 31, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Options:
Mike Shananhan
Chris Palmer- Giants QB coach
Ken Anderson- Steelers QB coach
Mike McCoy- Panthers QB coach
but my choice would be Pete Carmichael, Jr. he has helped the development of Brees and has worked with every phase of the offense including gameday planning
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Dec 30, 2008 5:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mike Shananhan would be awesome
but I doubt he would take a step down to a coordinator position
by cuse7284 on Dec 30, 2008 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NO Shanahan
He’d be gone in a year and I couldn’t stomach all the cut-blocking.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Dec 30, 2008 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as it's not...
Jesse Palmer.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 30, 2008 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesse Palmer
Is destined to annoy me with horrible college football announcing for years to come. Not a chance he starts coaching, it would be too much of a relief.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 31, 2008 5:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Palmer
When he first was doing NFL color commentary he was actually quite solid. His very first game as an NFL announcer was a 49ers game.
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by Fooch on Dec 31, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's still good, IMO
I can’t remember ever being so surprised at someone being a good announcer. I mean, he’s Jesse Palmer — The Bachelor — but he knows his stuff, and he’s able to express it in a well-thought-out, straight-forward manner, and with a not-as-annoying-as-you’d-think personality. I’ve been impressed with his work at FOX last season, and especially his work for ESPN this year.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 31, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that game
I remember watching that game thinking, “Who is this analyst that isn’t sucking the soul from my being? Jesse PALMER??? Okay, who’s jerking my chain?”
I’ve not heard him since then, but he gave the best game analysis I’ve heard in a long time.
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by JRPhillips on Jan 1, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
Ken Anderson was a Bill Walsh pupil, right?
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 30, 2008 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yes he was... i think it says he was a 3rd string QB
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Dec 31, 2008 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure every coach in the NFL...
can be traced back to the top, via the Bill Walsh Coaching Tree
by shlecko on Dec 31, 2008 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Norv
While it’d be nice to bring back Norv (since if he’s fired I doubt he gets another job) I don’t see him getting fired this year. They gave him public backing BEFORE he’d won the division. An 8-8 division champ is weak, but makes it a little more difficult to can him.
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by Fooch on Dec 30, 2008 5:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
SMASH MOUTH FOOTBALL!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 30, 2008 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know this is an even longer shot
But if we would be able to pick up Josh McDaniels, the current New England Patriots Offensive Co-ordinator and QB coach. I also agree that bringing Norv back would be a great choice for the niners, seeing as how he helped alex smith get from a 1-11 TD-INT ratio in his first season, to 16-16 TD-INT in his second season.
by ro128487 on Dec 30, 2008 6:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels
Definitely a long shot. The problem is that since he’s already an offensive coordinator, I don’t see why he’d move to a parallel position. I’d imagine that one of the only reasons an OC would go to another OC position is if they were fired (Martz), or let go with the coach (Knapp in Oakland).
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by Fooch on Dec 30, 2008 6:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reasons to go
Pad the resume with new networking?
Right now, coordinators from the Belichick system aren’t looking so hot. Just ask Cleveland, Notre Dame, or the Jets.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Dec 31, 2008 5:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels
He just doesn’t fit the mold of a Singletary offense—a spread offense doesn’t say SMASH-MOUTH football to me. His offense requires a Randy Moss and a Wes Welker, and I’m not sure we have those types.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Dec 31, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Few other names to throw out there:
Scott Linehan
Brian Billeck
Tom Rathman
by cuse7284 on Dec 30, 2008 7:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tom Rathman!
My vote
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Dec 30, 2008 7:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Why?
Think with your head not your nostalgia.
by methodrampage on Dec 31, 2008 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hes young and wont leave
Nostalgia only has alil to do with it. He will run the ball and also stick around for a couple of years.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Dec 31, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is young and completely inexperienced and hasn’t even coached on good teams. There’s only one reason you like the idea, he played for the 49ers.
by methodrampage on Dec 31, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't ASSume
I don’t like him just because he was a 9er. And actually the Raiders team he was coaching on this year did pretty well in Rushing.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Dec 31, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ex-Player
I like the idea of having ex-players coaching as well.
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by maveric_87 on Dec 31, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what about Steve Young
as the Quarterbacks coach?
by cuse7284 on Dec 31, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be ideal
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Dec 31, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Nice, because that always translates well. Rathman is completely unqualified but you like him because:
A) you know his name from him being a 49er
B) you like ex-players as coaches
That some swell reasoning.
by methodrampage on Jan 2, 2009 7:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just posted my comment thats all
I don’t give a rip about how you feel about it. Plus Rathman probably wouldn’t come to the 9ers anyways because I’ve heard he’s still upset about Mooch getting fired after making the playoffs. Rumor but I don’t know. Rathman would know how to run the ball atleast. Something that Sing is looking for. And don’t use inexperience as an excuse not to hire him. Sing and Jed are both inexperienced and I don’t hear you raving about it.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jan 2, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got excited when I saw his name
Then I thought exactly what you just said.
Would be a good story, but no.
by shlecko on Dec 31, 2008 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rathman
He can bring that running presence that Singletary wants. Lets grab him before anyone else does.
by Knowshon Ciron on Jan 6, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Rathman...
I don’t think he wants to come back to the 49ers, though. I believe it had to do with the way Mooch was fired.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 30, 2008 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One of my all time favs
I hope that he’d change his mind if we were offering him the OC job… He was an absolute beast…
by JerseyNinerFan on Dec 31, 2008 7:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess
It seems more likely that Singletary will pick someone who hasn’t been an OC before, and Rathman fits that bill.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Dec 31, 2008 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scary
Nolan went down this path with Hostler. Singletary can’t be that dim. Singletary would be a fool to higher someone, like Rathman, without a track record. If this happens I’ll jump ship and join the “I-can’t-wait-for-Al-Davis-to-die Raiders Bandwagon”.
by methodrampage on Dec 31, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Nolan went down this path with Hostler. Singletary can’t be that dim. Singletary would be a fool to higher someone, like Rathman, without a track record.”
+1
“If this happens I’ll jump ship and join the "I-can’t-wait-for-Al-Davis-to-die Raiders Bandwagon".”
-1
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 31, 2008 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did I really say "higher" someone?
Doh!
by methodrampage on Dec 31, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, my mom fits that bill too.
by methodrampage on Dec 31, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
yeah, but I think that Singletary wants a) to put his stamp on the team and b) to have an OC who won’t Norv the team (i.e. bolt for a Head Coach position at the last minute).
Hostler was an idiotic hire for other reasons (he was a defensive guy calling offensive signals— that was the real warning sign).
If he does want to hire an OC with a proven track record, why wouldn’t he have stayed with Martz, who was already under contract and had had some success, and then bring his own guy in to learn the players and some of the existing systems and to then take over when Martz’s contract was up or when the OC-OTF was ready?
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Dec 31, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Martz
Probably got fired because he probably wasn’t viewed as a long term solution. For the record I think Singletary should have kept him. I thought Hostler was coaching the QB’s prior to his promotion to OC.
Anyways, Rathman really scares me as an OC. In what capacity is he coaching now? RB Coach? While I get that Singletary may want to put his stamp on the team going to 2009 with Singletary still not having a full season as a head coach under belt and a rookie OC sounds a little scary. I guess it’s all on Singletary now and his choice for OC will be paramount in determining just how good of a HC he’s going to be for the 49ers.
by methodrampage on Dec 31, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
Just posted a comment below when you posted yours and it’s good timing and sort of related to your mention of a rookie OC.
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by Fooch on Dec 31, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Rookie OC
OK, maybe a guy (like Linehan) who nobody will touch (at least for a while) as an HC-candidate will do just as well. I think I agree with your point that a 1st time HC with a 1st time OC is pretty scary. We’ve already seen how big a role clock management plays and a guy who is wired to make the right decisions in those pressure-packed situations is crucial. Just having experience isn’t enough, though, as the Arizona game (with Martz at the helm) and any number of Andy-Reid-coached Philly games proves. I think I’m with Bill Simmons in saying that all OC’s-to-be should take a ‘graduate seminar’ in clock management by playing late-game scenarios in Madden 09 for a solid month during the off-season.
Throwback unis? Yes. Throwback afros? YES!
by grantmp on Dec 31, 2008 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d hire your mom.
This would be funnier if you and I were on better terms, but I’ll be danged if I’m going to let the opportunity to throw this joke out there slide.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Jan 1, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Norv Turner.
Assuming he and Singletary get on the same page, (I don’t think that is hard).
For some reason I really have faith in Mike S. (and Jed York and McLoughan) that they will make great progress with this team. It feels like the competent adults are now in charge. I wonder if they will bring back McVay in an advisory role.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Dec 31, 2008 8:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You want smash mouth football?
Then the 49ers should use Rachal as a FB like Guy McIntyre did for goal line plays.
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 31, 2008 9:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You've been watching too many Dan Klecko highlights
If there are such a thing.
by methodrampage on Dec 31, 2008 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even before...
the Bears used Refrigerator Perry as a goal line RB, Walsh used Guy McIntyre as a blocking back in goal line play(s).
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jan 1, 2009 12:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The "Angus" formation.
When Walsh used it to score a TD against the Bears in the 1984 NFC Championship Game, Ditka was incensed. The next year, he first used Perry as a blocker on the goal line against the Niners as revenge.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Jan 1, 2009 3:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sando's thoughts: We need a "restaurant manager"
He threw out Scott Linehan (he’s not the first). He compared the Mike Martz situation to an eccentric and world-renowned chef working in a greasy spoon cafe.
The food could still taste good, but the fit was never going to feel quite right. In keeping with the metaphor, the 49ers need more of a restaurant manager at offensive coordinator, someone to carry out the head chef’s philosophy while contributing to a smoother overall operation.
That is why I think a former head coach such as Scott Linehan could make sense for the 49ers. Linehan’s record with the Rams says he wasn’t a great head coach, but his record as a coordinator was strong, and his run-first philosophy lines up with Singletary’s priorities.
The point of his I particularly liked:
Linehan’s experience as a head coach might help Singletary manage some of the late-game situations that proved problematic at times this season. A coordinator with less experience handling those situations could leave an inexperienced head coach such as Singletary more exposed.
As methodrampage just said, a rookie OC is a bit frightening given Singletary’s own level of inexperience.
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by Fooch on Dec 31, 2008 11:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
gotta find someone that will stay long term…so hiring any ex coaches or young coordinators (like McDaniels) is out of the question.
rathman, every where he’s gone his teams have run the ball even with the lions (when he got Kevin Jones 1000 yard season)
by cazzuno on Dec 31, 2008 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is true
However, do you think it’s possible we could get 2 or 3 years out of Linehan before someone decides he’s worthy of an HC job again?
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by Fooch on Dec 31, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Linehan is safe
I don’t suspect that he’ll be on anyones HC radar anytime soon.
by methodrampage on Dec 31, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The race btwn Linehan and Marinelli...
to be HC’s again is pretty dang close. At least Marinelli had the respect of most players and others in the NFL.
After a little Wiki stats review, looks like Linehan’s teams were successes offensively. I’m liking the choice.
by StepUp on Dec 31, 2008 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Coordinator
What I liked about the Martz hire was that he was an experienced play caller- Hostler had no play calling experience and that was one of the big reasons that he was fired.
Therefore… we need an experienced play caller- someone who has been in hundreds of gameday senarios..
get that experience and the players will hopefully do their part-
by 1981 on Jan 1, 2009 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Link to more firings.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/01/SP8I1526HR.DTL
This move would make the offensive coordinator’s job a little bit more enticing.
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by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jan 1, 2009 2:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
broken link. Just copy and paste.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jan 1, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
repost from previous Martz story comment
i’m going to go with the same guy i suggested the past 2 years on maiocco’s blog. they tried to get him in 06 but the bengals didn’t give the niners permission because it was so late in the process:
ken zampese
why?
1) at 41, he’s young.
2) he is ernie zampese’s son, so he is a zampese offense guy, which is great for continuity (same system as norv’s).
3) he oversaw the development of carson palmer.
4) the bengals are a joke of a franchise, so he will definitely be open to leaving.
5) he’s not going to be getting any head coaching offers any time soon, which is also great for continuity.
6) he was the QB coach when martz was the OC in st. louis…again, continuity.
7) he made jon kitna a good qb in CIN…another martzian quality
8) justin smith and ahmad brooks can tell him how great it is to be in san fran
by Florida Danny on Jan 2, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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