49ers-Jets Statistical Preview: Near, Favre, Wherever You Are
The 49ers welcome their nemesis, Brett Favre, to San Francisco this week in a game that has far more in the way of playoff implications for the Jets than it does for the Niners (sigh). The fact that the 8-4 Jets are playing a meaningful game during December is quite a turn of events considering that they were 3-9 at the same point last season. The conventional wisdom says that this 5-game improvement is the direct, tangible result of replacing Chad Pennington (and Kellen Clemens) with Favre. The opposite can be said of Favre's former team: With Favre last year, the Packers were 10-2 through 12 games; without Favre this year, they're 5-7. If you haven't noticed, that's an amazingly symmetrical 5-win turnaround as well. So it's pretty obvious that the Jets are a better team with Favre, and the Packers are a worse team without Favre. That much we can agree on. One important question remains, however: Did the acquisition of Favre CAUSE the Jets' improvement and/or the Packers' decline?
That pesky five-letter word, "cause," is far more complicated than its length suggests. I'm not going to turn this preview into some kind of science or philosophy class, but I'll make one very important scientific point. Two conditions are necessary to say that variable X causes outcome Y: (1) X must occur at a point in time prior to Y, and (2) the effect of X must be isolated from the effects of other variables. In the case of Favre's impact, we can only assert causation if Favre's arrival came before the Jets' improvement (and/or the Packers' decline), and if we can isolate Favre's arrival from other factors that might have "caused" the Jets' improvement (and/or the Packers' decline).
Obviously, the time condition is easily satisfied here. In contrast, the "isolated effect" condition is very difficult to satisfy because football is played 11-on-11 (except when the 49ers play 11-on-17 when the officials suit up for the opposition). More than any other team sport, the successful execution of a play requires several players moving in unison, such that perfect individual execution may not translate directly into team success. And let's not forget about the "on-11" part of 11-on-11. There's a defense on the other side of the ball trying to disrupt what the offense is trying to execute. These within- and between-team dynamics make it very difficult for football statisticians to cross the threshold from correlation to causation. In other words, there are so many factors influencing a given football outcome, that it's nearly impossible to tell what is a cause and what is a coincidence.
Amazingly, assessing the impact of Favre is as pristine a cause-and-effect analysis as it gets in football statistics. Think about it. Going into this season, the sans-Favre Packer offense was essentially the same unit as the 2007 version: Same coach, same running back, same wide receivers, and same offensive line. Likewise, the sans-Favre Jet offense of 2007 was essentially the same unit as this year's version: Same coach, same running back, and same wide receivers. It turns out that, to assess Favre's causal impact, there are really only three factors that we have to account for. First, the Jets acquired LG Alan Faneca and RT Damien Woody to strengthen their offensive line. Second, the Jets and Packers have played different schedules this year than they did last year. Finally, the Jets and Packers have played in different situations than they did last year. Luckily, we can account for these factors thanks to Football Outsiders because, as we all know by now, they have developed a statistic (ALY) that isolates offensive line performance (as much as it can be isolated), and another statistic (DVOA) that adjusts performance for game situation and opponent.
So in this week's statistical preview, I'm going to attempt to answer a question that has permeated NFL debate all season: After adjusting for schedule strength, game situations, and the Jets' offensive line improvement, did the acquisition/loss of Brett Favre cause the Jets' offense to improve and the Packers' offense to decline?
RUN BABY, RUN!
Below is a table showing a comparison of the 2008 Jets offense to the 2007 Jets offense, as well as a comparison of the 2008 Packers offense to the 2007 Packers offense:
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Team |
OFF DVOA |
RK |
PASS DVOA |
RK |
RUSH DVOA |
RK |
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NYJ 07 |
-11.10% |
25 |
-8.30% |
23 |
-14.00% |
28 |
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NYJ 08 |
4.60% |
19 |
3.10% |
19 |
6.40% |
8 |
|
NYJ DIFF |
15.70% |
-6 |
11.40% |
-4 |
20.40% |
-20 |
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Team |
OFF DVOA |
RK |
PASS DVOA |
RK |
RUSH DVOA |
RK |
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GBP 07 |
17.30% |
5 |
26.10% |
5 |
3.50% |
9 |
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GBP 08 |
12.00% |
10 |
21.20% |
9 |
1.40% |
15 |
|
GBP DIFF |
-5.30% |
5 |
-4.90% |
4 |
-2.10% |
6 |
After the jump, I'll discuss this table, attempt to adjust these numbers for the Jets' offensive line improvement, compare Favre and non-Favre quarterback performance for the Jets and Packers, detail 5 crucial game situations, and make my prediction for this week's 49ers-Jets game...

Clearly, the Jets' offense has gotten better this season with Favre at quarterback, and the Packers' offense has gotten worse this season without Favre at quarterback. And remember...these changes have been adjusted for changes in schedule strength and game situations. What's interesting in this table is that the improvement/decline of each offense has not come via the passing game: The Jets' passing offense has only moved up 4 spots in the rankings, while the Packers' passing offense has only moved down 4 spots. By far, the most glaring Favre-related change has been to the Jets' rushing offense: They improved from 5th-worst in the league to 8th-best. This begs the question: Did the acquisition of Favre cause the Jets' running game to improve?
Below are two tables. One compares Thomas Jones' 2008 performance with his 2007 performance, and the other compares the Jets' offensive line performance in 2008 with their performance in 2007:
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RB |
DYAR |
RK |
DVOA |
RK |
RUNS |
YDS |
EYDS |
TD |
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T. Jones 08* |
279 |
3 |
12.5% |
5 |
311 |
1,451 |
1,600 |
15 |
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T. Jones 07 |
-36 |
43 |
-11.3% |
40 |
310 |
1,126 |
1,074 |
1 |
|
Jones DIFF |
315 |
-40 |
23.8% |
-35 |
1 |
325 |
526 |
14 |
* Prorated to a 16-game season
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Team |
ALY |
RK |
MID ALY |
RK |
RT ALY |
RK |
|
NYJ 07 |
4.10 |
21 |
4.22 |
12 |
4.38 |
15 |
|
NYJ 08 |
4.71 |
4 |
4.66 |
4 |
4.92 |
2 |
|
NYJ DIFF |
0.61 |
-17 |
0.44 |
-8 |
0.54 |
-13 |
As you can see by these two tables, the Jets' offensive improvement has been largely due to the concomitant resurgences of Thomas Jones and his offensive line. With nearly an identical number of projected carries, Jones will gain about 325 more yards (1.04 more per carry) and 526 more EYds (1.64 more per carry) than he did in 2007 because he has been almost 25% more situationally efficient than he was last season. Furthermore, Jones is over 300 yards more valuable to the Jets' offense this season as compared to last. Much of Jones's renaissance can be traced to the addition of Faneca and Woody, which has resulted in an increase of about half-a-yard per carry in terms of overall ALY, middle-of-the-line ALY, and right-tackle ALY.
OK. So I think I've established that the Jets have Faneca, Woody, and Jones to thank for their offensive improvement this season. Surely, however, Brett Favre's move from Green Bay to East Rutherford has had some impact on the Jets' and Packers' passing game, right? Well, below are two tables comparing Favre's performance on the 2008 Jets with that of Favre on the 2007 Packers, Aaron Rodgers on the 2008 Packers, and Pennington on the 2007 Jets.
|
Player |
DYAR |
RK |
DVOA |
RK |
ATT |
YDS |
EYDS |
TD |
INT |
COMP% |
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Favre 08* |
580 |
16 |
4.7% |
20 |
561 |
3,525 |
3,809 |
27 |
19 |
69.30% |
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Favre 07 |
1,437 |
3 |
28.0% |
5 |
556 |
4,151 |
4,915 |
28 |
14 |
66.90% |
|
Rodgers 08* |
1,035 |
11 |
17.8% |
10 |
573 |
3,639 |
4,308 |
27 |
13 |
64.70% |
|
Pennington 07* |
251 |
22 |
-3.6% |
26 |
508 |
2,843 |
3,033 |
18 |
16 |
69.40% |
*Prorated to a 16-game season
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Comparison |
DYAR |
RK |
DVOA |
RK |
ATT |
YDS |
EYDS |
TD |
INT |
COMP% |
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Favre 08* vs. Favre 07 |
-857 |
13 |
-23.3% |
15 |
5 |
-626 |
-1,106 |
-1 |
5 |
2.4% |
|
Favre 08* vs. Rodgers 08* |
-455 |
5 |
-13.1% |
10 |
-12 |
-113 |
-499 |
0 |
5 |
4.6% |
|
Favre 07 vs. Rodgers 08* |
402 |
-8 |
10.2% |
-5 |
-17 |
512 |
607 |
1 |
1 |
2.2% |
|
Favre 08* vs. Pennington 07* |
329 |
-6 |
8.3% |
-6 |
53 |
683 |
776 |
9 |
3 |
-0.1% |
*Prorated to a 16-game season
What we see in these two tables is the following:
- Favre is on pace to have a less-efficient 2008 season than Rodgers.
- Favre is on pace to have a less-efficient 2008 season than he did in 2007.
- Rodgers is on pace to have a less-efficient season for the Packers in 2008 than Favre did in 2007.
- Favre is on pace to have a more-efficient season for the Jets in 2008 than Pennington did in 2007.
So basically, Favre's not having a particularly valuable or efficient individual season, but he's still better than the guy he replaced in New York who had essentially the same supporting cast. Likewise, Favre's replacement in Green Bay is worse than Favre was last year with essentially the same supporting cast. Also, if you compare these QB DVOA differences to the team passing DVOA differences above, you find that the gain/loss of Favre accounts for a large percentage of the overall differences. Clearly then, acquiring Favre has improved the Jets' QB position, while losing Favre has deteriorated the Packers' QB position.
And finally, here's one last piece of evidence showing Favre's impact on the Jets' and Packers' passing offenses:
|
Team |
ASR |
RK |
|
NYJ 07 |
9.3% |
30 |
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NYJ 08 |
6.6% |
19 |
|
NYJ DIFF |
-2.7% |
-11 |
|
GBP 07 |
3.1% |
1 |
|
GBP 08 |
5.9% |
16 |
|
GBP DIFF |
2.8% |
15 |
Here we see that the Jets' offensive line has cut its ASR by nearly one-third this season, while the Packer line's ASR has nearly doubled. What's interesting though is that the magnitude of ASR change is practically identical for both teams. Remember, the only thing that's changed on the Green Bay offense is the QB, so we can allocate almost the entire ASR difference to losing Favre. Allocating the Jets' ASR difference is more difficult because the offensive line acquisitions have surely had as much (or more) of an impact than Favre.
Wow, that was a veritable cornucopia of statistical evidence about the Favre impact!!! What conclusions can we draw? For fear of retribution in the comments section, I'm going to be as conservative as possible here...no hyperbole:
Bottom line: The major statistical difference between the with- and without-Favre Jet/Packer offenses is a clear improvement in the Jets' running game, which has been caused more by the acquisition of Faneca and Woody than by the acquisition of Favre. In terms of passing offense, the Favre move has caused the Packers' passing game to get worse because Favre was more efficient and better able to avoid sacks last season than Rodgers is this season with the same supporting cast. Finally, although Favre has caused an improved Jets' passing game by being more efficient this season than Pennington was last season, it's unclear how much of the impact has been due to the offensive line acquisitions and their effect on pass protection.
49ERS-JETS DVOA MATCHUP
Here's how the 49ers stack up against the Jets in terms of DVOA:
|
Team |
Total DVOA |
Rank |
Offense |
Rank |
Defense |
Rank |
Special Teams |
Rank |
|
SF |
-20.0% |
26 |
-18.1% |
29 |
7.9% |
19 |
6.0% |
1 |
|
NYJ |
6.1% |
14 |
4.6% |
19 |
3.6% |
12 |
5.1% |
4 |
For the second week in a row, we have a battle of special teams...just kidding. :-) This week's game should definitely be much more action-packed than last week, for better or for worse. Although the Niners have a 26.1% overall disadvantage, which is very similar to the disadvantage they had going into the Saints game (a 31-17 road loss), almost all of the disadvantage resides with one unit. When the Niners' D and special teams are on the field, this is a pretty even matchup. The same can't be said when the 29th-ranked 49er offense lines up against the 12th-ranked Jet defense. Luckily, the Niners' offense plays better at home (-11.3% DVOA, 27th) and the Jets defense plays worse on the road (9.7% DVOA, 19th), so a 14.5% disadvantage reduces to a mere 1.5% disadvantage when game location is taken into account. With that said, this sure looks like a game that will be closely contested deep into the 2nd half, which means that we'll find out once again whether Coach Singletary has to show off the "FINISH" mantra tattooed across his butt cheeks.
THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS
The five SVW's to focus on during this week's 49ers-Jets matchup are detailed below:
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Situation |
SF Rank |
NYJ Rank |
|
SF RED ZONE OFFENSE VS. NYJ RED ZONE DEFENSE |
31 |
5 |
|
SF RUSH OFFENSE VS. NYJ RUSH DEFENSE |
26 |
7 |
|
SF RUSH OFFENSE VS. NYJ RUSH DEFENSE ON 1ST DOWN |
28 |
6 |
|
SF PASS OFFENSE VS. NYJ PASS DEFENSE ON 3RD DOWN |
30 |
8 |
|
SF DEFENSE VS. NYJ OFFENSE ON 2ND AND SHORT |
27 |
6 |
OK, so the Niners have no DVOA matchups that they can exploit this week. Rather, they have five unfavorable matchups that they have to overcome in order to win this game. To me, the red zone and rush offense matchups are particularly troublesome given Mike Martz's penchant for red zone suckage and Mike Singletary's affinity for smashmouth football. Hey, at least the defense has had 2-games worth of practice on these 2nd-and-short SVWs!
"WITH HIGH HOPE FOR THE FUTURE, NO PREDICTION IS VENTURED." - ABRAHAM LINCOLN
I got last week's pick wrong, but, to tell you the truth, we're all happy that I did. My rather small ego certainly allows for an unexpected Niner victory. On the other hand, what about an unexpected Niner loss? Hmmm...we just might find out on Sunday because...given the statistical matchup between the 49ers and Jets, here's my prediction for this week's game:
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New York Jets |
21 |
|
San Francisco 49ers |
24 |
**DVOA, DYAR, ALY, and ASR statistics used to produce this article were obtained from Football Outsiders.
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Just to thank Florida Danny for his excellent work. Really good stuff.
by drummer on
Dec 5, 2008 2:07 PM PST
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Thanks for joining
We’ve got a solid community here, so feel free to join in the discussions. Should be a nice little crowd here during the game on Sunday.
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by Fooch on
Dec 5, 2008 3:09 PM PST
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Thanks Danny
Maybe you were about to start a wrong streak? Why’d you have to go and predict the Niners winning?
At any rate good stuff, good stuff, always my favorite read.
by Ninjames on
Dec 5, 2008 3:25 PM PST
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Running Game Comparisons between GB and NYJ
I think both teams running games need to be brought into the Favre-effect analysis. Expanding on your analysis above:
2007
TEAM______ ALY______ RB YDS______ Rank______ 10+ %______ 10+ Rank
GB _______3.95______ 4.49 ______ 26__________ 27% ________ 3
NYJ ______ 4.10______ 3.88 ______ 21 ______ 12% _______ 25
2008
TEAM______ALY____RB YDS_____Rank_____10+ %_____10+ Rank
GB______4.14______ 4.10______ 20______ 19%_______ 13
NYJ ______4.71______ 4.77______ 4 ______22%________ 9
The 2007 Packers ability to break 10+ yard runs inflated overall offensive performance, including Favre. The Pack was ranked in the bottom half in the NFL in rushing, yet over a quarter of their rushing yards were acquired 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. Their ALY was slightly below average, but their actual RB yards were almost half a yard above average.
When you look at the 2008 Packers rushing attack, you can see both the ALY and RB yards are fairly close, but the 10+% is down almost 10. With the Jets, it’s just a plain better rushing attack, as both the Packer and Jets have similar 10+ %s this season. The Jets have the 4th ranked O-Line in 2008 compared to 21st last season. They are more than half a yard better in ALY and almost a full yard better in RB yards.
This is telling me that in 2007 the Packers and Favre benefited from an unusually high number of 10+ yard runs for a bottom half ranked rushing attack. This year Favre and the Jets are befitting from a just plain good running game while Rodgers and the Packers aren’t getting those long runs in 2008.
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by MeSoKrabby on
Dec 5, 2008 3:27 PM PST
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Oh yeah
Props on the breakdown, Danny. Gotta get DVOA, ALY, ASR, et al. out there.
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by MeSoKrabby on
Dec 5, 2008 3:33 PM PST
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Somebody else offering the good stuff
hmmm
by Ninjames on
Dec 5, 2008 3:39 PM PST
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definitely a good point...
i did compile those stats in preparation for the preview, but wanted to limit the evidence i actually cited to stats that are adjusted for situation and opponent, given that these are two huge factors that influence changes in performance from 2007 to 2008. 10+ yards isn’t adjusted for opponent and situation, so i left it out. the same could be said for power success and stuff %, which are, as you know, also unadjusted.
since you brought up 10+ yards though, i’ll bring up the power and stuff% stats in the comment section. the packers’ OL has actually gotten waaaaay better in power success, improving from a 30th-ranked 50% last season to a 4th-ranked 74% this season. the jets’ OL has also improved, but to a much smaller degree (31st to 26th). in terms of stuff%, both OLs have dropped over 10 spots in the rankings this year, with the jets going from top-10 to middling and the packers going from middling to bottom-5.
what does this all mean for the running game comparison? taking your point into account, it sure seems to me that the packers’ running game is much more offensive-line-dependent this season than last, while the jets’ running game is less offensive-line dependent this season than last. that’s a bit counterintuitive given the fact that the packers’ OL did not undergo any personnel changes, while the jets’ OL underwent two very high-profile personnel changes.
regardless, the fact of the matter is that the only jet/packer offensive DVOA that has changed substantially from 2007 to 2008 is the jets’ rush DVOA. if that’s — as i just showed — less offensive-line-dependent than we think, then the credit for overall offensive improvement has to go to thomas jones. if favre gets any credit, i guess it would only be in an indirect strategic sense, i.e., the threat of an efficient passing game opens up the running game. favre’s made the jets’ passing O more efficient, which has opened up the running game for jones, who’s taken advantage by being a more efficient RB and a better long-distance runner, so to speak.
by Florida Danny on
Dec 5, 2008 3:54 PM PST
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p.s...
i’m kind of disappointed no one’s brought up my unbelievably lame reference to celine dion vis-a-vis titanic in the article title.
by Florida Danny on
Dec 5, 2008 3:58 PM PST
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I was going to, but then I actually got the song stuck in my head and I was suddenly too angry to give you the satisfaction.
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by howtheyscored on
Dec 5, 2008 4:16 PM PST
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Power Success
I wonder how much the Packers Power improvement is related to the decline of the10+%? Do you think they are correlated? With so many 10+ runs, did they have a lower number of Power Success plays?
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by MeSoKrabby on
Dec 5, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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fyi...
just ran a really rough correlation analysis using the past 3 seasons of OL data (N = 96) to see if there are any generic relationships. here are the correlations and two-tailed p-values, ranked in order of statistical significance:
statistically significant
r(rbyds, 10+) = .743, p < .001
r(aly, rbyds) = .651, p < .001
r(aly, stuff) = -.603, p < .001
r(power, stuff) = -.255, p = .012
r(aly, power) = .248, p = .015
r(rbyds, stuff) = -.224, p = .028
statistically nonsignificant
r(10+, stuff) = .195, p = .057
r(rbyds, power) = .173, p = .092
r(aly, 10+) = .044, p = .674
r(power, 10+) = -.021, p = .842
so power success and 10+% actually is the lowest and least significant of all the inter-OL stat correlations. i guess that means the answer to your queston is probably no.
by Florida Danny on
Dec 5, 2008 4:30 PM PST
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Muchas Gracias
Yeah that makes sense. No matter how many 10+ runs you have, it won’t change your Power Success.
Do you chart for FO?
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by MeSoKrabby on
Dec 5, 2008 5:14 PM PST
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nope...
…just an avid consumer and all-around fan of theirs. my phd minor is in research and evaluation methodology, so i enjoy judging and/or applying measurement statistics like the ones they’ve come up with.
by Florida Danny on
Dec 5, 2008 5:43 PM PST
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also...
…i think that, of the correlations above, the most interesting to me is the -.255 power/stuff correlation. i figured that would be a much higher negative correlation than it is because success on short-yardage running plays, and success on avoiding stuffed running plays involve essentially the same offensive line skill: power. if an OL is more powerful than the DL, then they should be gaining the short-yardage first downs as well as preventing the run-stuffing penetration.
by Florida Danny on
Dec 5, 2008 5:52 PM PST
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sorry for any innuendo that...
“run-stuffing penetration” might elicit in everyone’s minds
by Florida Danny on
Dec 5, 2008 5:54 PM PST
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Maybe it's the alcohol
but DL stuffs include 2nd down.
OT: Why did the Saints run a play action when they were down 10 and TB was playing pass? Who was fooled?
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by MeSoKrabby on
Dec 5, 2008 6:52 PM PST
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yeah...
the 2nd down thing explains why the stuff numbers aren’t simply the opposite of the power numbers (i.e., a -1.0 correlation), but it still doesn’t explain why two stats that seemingly measure the same underlying offensive line skill exhibited such a low correlation. it would be like SAT scores and ACT scores having a -.255 correlation even though they’re both measuring cognitive ability.
by Florida Danny on
Dec 5, 2008 6:59 PM PST
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