Is Shaun Hill Finally The Man?
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 8, 2008 2:00 PM PST
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It seems that Shaun Hill will remain the starter as long as Mike Singletary is the head coach. He played well against the Jets and have played well with all the other games he was involved in. Hill is definitely an upgrade over JT. His salary, compared to other starting QB's, is relatively affordable and cap friendly. In the meantime, what to do with former over all number one pick, Alex Smith? If Shaun Hill is truly going to be the 49ers starting QB for the rest of the season and beyond, Alex Smith has to go. JT would then become the 2nd string back-up and draft someone to be the understudy. And, it doesn't have to be a high draft pick, either. If Alex Smith stays, not only are the 49ers paying him a huge contract to be a back-up, he might even be a distraction. Shaun Hill has proven to be effective. Continue to play him and let him grow comfortable with being the starter. In the meantime, let the draft be the center piece for building a future Super Bowl team. The team still drafts pretty high next year. I also think that Spikes should be resigned. So, Shaun Hill, are you going to be the man to handle the duties of resurrecting the 49ers team? Particularly the offense?
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That said, yeah Shaun Hill’s the man!
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 8:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Finally?
Shaun Hill was the man at the end of last season. He is the only SF QB in the last… how many years?… to have a winning overall record.
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
by LA49er on Dec 8, 2008 9:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not even Jeff Garcia had a winning record.
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty crazy.
Especially when you consider that not only is Hill 5-2 as a starter, but if they had given him a chance to throw at the end of the Cards game, he might be 6-1.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 8, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in case you missed it:
sarcasm.
Jeff Garcia was/is a baller.
by shlecko on Dec 9, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
Jeff Garcia’s record w/ Niners = 35-36.
Fact = Not sarcasm
Am I missing something?
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 9, 2008 4:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Did not know that.
My mistake, I guess.
‘99 and ’03 were pretty embarrassing, and I guess they took a heavy toll on Garcia’s record as a 49er…but 2000, ‘01, and ’02, he was one of the league’s top QBs. I guess my argument is with those who say we haven’t had a good QB since Young, even though we apparently have, in fact, had no other winning QB since #8.
by shlecko on Dec 10, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BUT IT WAS AGAINST WURSER TEAMZ!! DOESN'T COUNT! BLAGH!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 9, 2008 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PS
Just want to point this out:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2008/9/29/624421/dear-mike-nolan-and-martz
Screw you, JTO.
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 9:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t look like I said it in that thread, but I stand by my assertion that earlier in the season it was the right decision to be fairly weary of Shaun Hill. Definitely not to the point of letting JTO continue to play, but certainly to the point of not expecting much. That said, I couldn’t be happier that he continues to prove a lot of people who I think were jumping his gun right.
Here’s to hoping he keeps it up!
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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That just depends on your definition of the phrase “the man.”
Shaun Hill is proving to be a very capable QB, whom none of us seem to have any objections about running this offense. He could get better. He could stay the same. He could come back to Earth (a lot of QBs do). We’d obviously be happy with the first two.
It seems that Shaun Hill will remain the starter as long as Mike Singletary is the head coach.
This is a bit premature for a lot of reasons. He’s definitely the starter this season and, I would assume, at the start of next season. Beyond that, there’s no telling. Especially assuming we draft another QB of the future to be an understudy.
With Hill playing well, Alex Smith is almost 100% done as a 49er. There’s absolutely no reason to fool around with him anymore when we have another guy penciled in to be the starter.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 9:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I mean, we already signed Shaun Hill to an extension – the good part is we don’t have to re-sign him.
Definitely agree with drafting a QB, but in the later rounds. I’d love to see a QB who has to work to earn his position. Think Curtis Painter, Hunter Cantwell, etc.
I was quite bummed that we didn’t draft Dennis Dixon last year.
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dennis Dixon
I wrote a blog on foxsports.com about draftting Dennis Dixon. I like the guy, too.
Second to None!
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 8, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this guy could be a stud with the Steelers if given a good o-line and the proper opportunity.
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Only until Martz pulls Drew Henson out next training camp and annoints him the next JTO
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by Mike Hawk on Dec 8, 2008 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think he's good enough to be a part of the near future.
I think that, given enough surrounding talent, he is capable of “leading” the team to the playoffs. Christ, Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.
I think having a ZOMG BEST QB EVAReE!!11ONE TOMB RADY BRETT FAVRAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA is overrated. Matt Cassel is proving it with New England. The QB is just 1 player out of the 11 on the field. It doesn’t matter HOW good he is if the rest of the offense absolutely sucks ass.
Shaun Hill is, simply, “good enough”. I don’t think he’s awesome, but he doesn’t suck. He makes the plays that he should make, and he generally hasn’t done too many stupid things on the field. On the occasions when he HAS made a boneheaded play, it’s plainly visible that he knows he screwed up and he shouldn’t have done it. The good thing is that he appears to learn from those gaffs, and he’s not trying to do too much when he’s on the field.
In short, it works for me, and I think drafting a QB is not a day 1 priority anymore unless somehow Nate Davis is available still in the 2nd round.
by mikev on Dec 8, 2008 10:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nate Davis said he’s sticking around for his senior year…
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, and nobody has ever lied about something like that
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know – would a guy named Nate Davis lie?
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It'll be interesting to see what QB's actually stay
As far as senior QB’s are concerned this is a pretty weak draft class and some of these underclassmen QB’s, should they declare, could stand to make more money this year than they would next.
by methodrampage on Dec 8, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it would be a really really bad decision for Nate Davis to actually go back to school, I would be shocked if he did. Bradford, Stafford, and Sanchez probably wouldn’t hurt themselves by going back, but Bradford and Stafford are pretty much guaranteed top 10 picks, it would be hard to turn that down.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What is Matt Cassel proving?
If anything he’s proving the opposite of the point you’re trying to make. Cassell has gone 8-5, tied with two teams in their conference who won a combined 5 games last year, with a team that went 16-0 in the season prior. I guess Cassel is proving that you don’t need Brady to maybe make the playoffs but if you actually want to win some playoff games you’re probably going to need more than Matt Cassel.
by methodrampage on Dec 8, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody was predicting the end of the world when Brady got hurt.
Cassel is proving that a team doesn’t need an all-everything quarterback to win games. If the team itself is good, the quarterback just has to be something other than completely awful.
by mikev on Dec 8, 2008 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I get it
Cassel is proving that a football team consists of more than just a QB. Wow, incredible. Beacuse it’s not like Doug Williams or Trent Dilfer, among others, haven’t already proven this point.
Finishing 3rd in the AFC East would pretty much be the end of the world. An 8-5 record isn’t all that impressive when the Dolphins (who won 1 game last year) and the Jets (who won 4 games last year) sport the same record. The Patriots have absolutely dominated that division posting the division’s best record since Tom Brady took over at QB.
Whatever point Cassel is proving Brett Favre is disproving. The Jets go 4-12 without “ZOMG BEST QB EVAReE!!11ONE TOMB RADY BRETT FAVRAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA” but with a “ZOMG BEST QB EVAReE!!11ONE TOMB RADY BRETT FAVRAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA” they’re at the top of their division and until a weekend ago were a lot of people favorites for the Super Bowl.
Cassel is really only proving that a mediocre QB can take a dominate team and turn them mediocre.
by methodrampage on Dec 8, 2008 4:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you can’t compare the Dolphins last year to the Dolphins this year or the Jets last year to the Jets this year… they are phenomenally different teams all around, not the least of which begins at QB and continues with free agents and healthy players.
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How are the Jet's phenomenally different?
Less Favre and Faneca, it looks like pretty much the same team they had last year.
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So minus one of the best guards in the game and Brett Favre over Kellen Clemens, it’s the same…
They’re actually one of the most changed rosters. I think they spent the most on offseason acquisitions and such.
by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Less Favre and Faneca, it looks like pretty much the same team they had last year.”
I’d add Kris Jenkins to that list.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 9, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Jenkins has been a huge part of their stellar run defense. I still don’t think Miami is that good of a team, eventhough they are vastly improved from last season, and the Jets have some big question marks. Honestly, I don’t see any team from the AFC East gettting past the first round of the playoffs.
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You realize that the Patriots have had a pretty big turnover, right?
last week they had something like 10 of the 22 starters from the Super Bowl team last year.
But, I guess the Patriots were going to be 16-0 again this year before Brady got hurt, so it’s Cassel’s fault they’re 8-5. It has nothing to do with anything else.
Whatever.
by mikev on Dec 8, 2008 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point
Cassel hasn’t proven anything.
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, so I worded it wrong.
New England is proving that you don’t need an MVP quarterback to still be a good team.
by mikev on Dec 10, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize the outcome of a game was strictly influenced by the quarterback
And apparently every other variable in the game has remained static from last year to this. Amazing.
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by JRPhillips on Dec 8, 2008 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I say anything close to that?
Making stuff up is benefiting anybody and reflects poorly on yourself.
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, everyone knew the Pats were going to lose more games this year. They lost Stallworth and they lost Asante Samuel in the secondary.
Yes, Brady would have won more games. But the drop-off hasn’t been that great from a future first-ballot HOFer with three super bowl rings to a QB who hasn’t started since high school.
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
The Patriots could very well miss the playoffs and finish 3rd in their division. Please don’t try to tell me that going from 16-0 one season to not making the playoffs the next isn’t a significant drop-off.
by methodrampage on Dec 8, 2008 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but they lost a WR and a CB, the two most replacable positions in football.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they lost a
WR3/4 and an overrated and overexposed CB that wanted way too much money.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Dec 8, 2008 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But when you're beating teams by 20 pts.
You could probably spot them an extra WR and CB
by methodrampage on Dec 8, 2008 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but that’s really not fair. They would not have gone 16-0 this season, even with Brady at the helm. That’s the point.
They’re 8-5? Brady would have been, what, 10-3? Okay then. How many games did Cassel lose or, hell, fail to win for the Pats? The loss to the Dolphins happened because the Pats’ defense could not stop the WildRonnieBrown formation. The loss to the Jets wasn’t on Cassel – he brought his team back to win in very Brady-esque fashion. The Steelers – fine, I’ll give that, even though it was against what is now a phenomenal defense.
A lot of games have been lost because of the defense, not lacklustre output by the offense. Just saying..
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the main point (which all of you seem to be avoiding)
Are the Patriots a playoff team with Cassel? Maybe. Are they a real Super Bowl threat with Cassel? No.
Would the Patriots be a playoff team with Brady. Most definitely. Would they be a real Super Bowl threat with Brady? Yes.
There’s your difference. Yes, it’s possible to win games, maybe even enough to get you into the playoffs, without a Pro Bowl caliber QB most unless other aspects of your team are truly elite you’re not going to get very far in the playoffs and that’s why “ZOMG BEST QB EVAReE!!11ONE TOMB RADY BRETT FAVRAHAHHAHAHAHAAHA” aren’t really overrated.
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 8:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the idea you’re missing is this – I’m not saying that Matt Cassel is just as good as Tom Brady. All I’m saying is that the drop-off from future first ballot HOFer Tom Brady to a QB who hadn’t started since high school (Matt Cassel) isn’t as large as you’d imagine. Sure, the team would be better with Tom Brady, but it’s still a damn good team even without him.
Also, it’s dishonest to claim that this team was 16-0 last year, so already Cassel is 5 games worse than Brady.
by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're also trivializing the real impact of 2 more wins.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but in baseball isn’t a player that is worth, say, 5 additional wins, over a 162 game season, really really good? So if Brady, or any other player, is worth 2-3 additional wins, over 16 games, wouldn’t that be even better?
If the Patriots were 10-3 they’d be looking at a bye in the first round of the playoffs instead of barely looking to get in.
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 8:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Tom Brady is really, really good. But his impact on the team was less than people imagined.
by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is hopeless
2 games, thus far, is a big ’F’ing drop off. 2 games is huge in the NFL. Going from a Super Bowl contender to possibly not making the playoffs is a hugely negative impact. What exactly was the impact that people imagined and do you have a link or source for such information or are we just making stuff up again?
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh...
Forget it.
You’re right, the Pats would be 16-0 right now with Tom Brady. Matt Cassel sucks. Great.
by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're both being unreasonable...
and ignoring each other’s points, choosing instead to construct straw man arguments you can then knock down.
Rishi: Method is not saying the Pats would be undefeated with Brady, just that they would be demonstrably better (i.e. Super Bowl contenders).
Method: Rishi is not saying Cassell is as good as Brady, just that the difference isn’t as large as one might have expected between the league MVP and a guy who hadn’t started a game in 9 years.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Dec 9, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know what Rishi is saying
And I think the biggest disconnect we’re having is just how big of a difference it is for a team to be 10-3 and 8-5. And in my opinion that difference is huge.
I’m not sure what everybody’s expetations were of the Brady-less Patriots but I definitely didn’t think they’d be in the cellar. They’re still one of top organizations in football with one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL. I thought 8-8 might be as bad as they would do and they’re not that far off from that.
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, they’re three games from there. Let’s let the season play out and then we’ll revist this topic, how about that?
by Rishi on Dec 10, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not saying that.
And yet you keep saying it. He’s even saying that if Brady leads them to 10-3, it’d make them one of the top teams in the AFC, and not just a potential outsider looking in.
Never once did method say that Cassel sucks. He simply pointed out that Cassel is not the kind of QB you settle for if you’re looking to get beyond “winning.” Unless the rest of your team is among the elite of the elite, a potentially average QB (maybe Cassel is a little more, but not much more than that) is not enough to make playoffs, let alone threat to win any playoff games.
by sfgfan on Dec 9, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Patriots could very well miss the playoffs and finish 3rd in their division. Please don’t try to tell me that going from 16-0 one season to not making the playoffs the next isn’t a significant drop-off.
I honestly don’t think we disagree that much. I’ve argued that an elite QB can bring the team to another level (see Colts: 2006). And this Pats team will make the playoffs, but won’t make the SuperBowl and isn’t a huge threat.
That said, the drop-off from Brady to Cassel wasn’t as much as expected. That’s it.
by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it really depends on what you...
… consider to be the drop-off. If you’re looking purely at wins, then yes, maybe the drop-off isn’t THAT bad. If you look at where they stand amidst the playoff race, it’s a huge drop-off. Even with the staggering defense, Brady probably wouldn’t have led this team to the playoffs without any questions asked. Cassel, on the other hand, doesn’t have that kind of ability.
The way that team is built, no missing player will tank the team (in terms of wins). But a missing player in the right place (Brady) can most definitely take them out of playoff contention. That’s pretty much what they’re facing now.
by sfgfan on Dec 9, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please quantify the drop off you expected.
Did you expect the Patriots to go 0-16 without Brady? 4-12? 8-8?
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The drop-off I expected? Not as much – as I’ve mentioned, I’ve been a fan of Cassel for a while.
When I get a chance, let me pull up a ton of articles right after the Kansas City Chiefs game that seriously predicted that they’d be lucky to be 8-8 with Cassel.
by Rishi on Dec 10, 2008 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's the part I didn't understand...
.. from the get-go. Media pundits, fans, non-fans. They all thought Cassel would put a “FAIL” stamp on the franchise.
I’m with method (and apparently you, Rishi) in thinking that Brady’s injury wouldn’t completely cripple the team. Heck, I even thought they still had a good shot at the playoffs. I guess, as it’s been agreed to now, the initial views/reactions to Cassel differ greatly.
by sfgfan on Dec 10, 2008 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They actually still have a great shot at the playoffs… it’s been pointed out they could finish third in the conference, but they very easily could finish first as well.
by Rishi on Dec 10, 2008 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, yeah, that’s what I meant. We really need an edit feature here.
by Rishi on Dec 10, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
The Patriots playoff dreams will pretty much hinge on their game with Arizona next week (assuming they beat the Raiders this week).
by methodrampage on Dec 10, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I get why some might have thought that way
But seriously, did we all think that Bellichick would be dumb enough to carry a completely inept back-up QB. Nobody outside of the Patriots franchise may have seen much of Cassel prior to this year but I’ve got to believe that Bellichick would be smart enough to cover his ass with a serviceable back-up QB ane he did.
by methodrampage on Dec 10, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even Tom Brady was not too wanted coming out of college.
Second to None!
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 10, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, the Patriots have the EASIEST schedule in the NFL
So actually, I have to believe that only being 8-5 with the easiest schedule in the NFL is a significant drop off.
by methodrampage on Dec 10, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, everyone knew the Pats were going to lose more games this year.
I would venture to say that this was always the smart guess.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 8, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I mean, they were 16-0 last year and they’re 8-5 this year, so clearly, if Brady was playing, they’be 13-0, right?
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly wouldn’t have bet on them losing less games this year
by FluLikeSymptoms on Dec 8, 2008 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,but is Aaron Rodgers proving the opposite?
He’s taken over a team who went 13-3 last season and now they are not going to make the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, its not all down to Rodgers in GB but, likewise, its not all down to Cassel in NE.
by Ninerfromacrossthepond on Dec 8, 2008 6:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I was going to use this example. Green Bay is losing games not because of Rodgers (okay, maybe the Saints game), but because of their defense and bad luck. Yet, according to the methodrampage method (weird), if they had Favre, they’d be 13-3, so clearly, Aaron Rodgers sucks, thanks.
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Rodgers has played better than Favre. So in reality, its possible that the Packers have upgraded the QB position by going with Rodgers in lieu of Favre.
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DVOA
which is supposed to be “as teammate independent as possible” has Cassel at 26th in the NFL, -2.9. Shaun Hill is +3.6, 20th (in fewer reps, obv.)
Brady last year was +57%, best ever since this stat was tracked (1995).
Rodgers 2008: 11th, +17, Favre, 23rd, +1.5
Oh, JTO last in the league for >100 passes, -37.7%
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by zenbitz on Dec 10, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is definitely playing better now than he was last year or in the first couple Singletary games.
I would like to seem him finish out the season, but I would be happy with him as the starter for 2009.
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by zenbitz on Dec 8, 2008 2:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t JTO a free agent next year? And if so, would the Niners really want to re-sign him?
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by JRPhillips on Dec 8, 2008 3:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
God, no. I’d sooner sign Alex Smith – at least we can turn him into a fullback.
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex has really skinny legs
Like, Zeigler-skinny. For reals.
that is all.
by shlecko on Dec 9, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Did he spend too much time doing curls and bench and not enough time doing squats?
Shame on you, Mr. Smith.
by Rishi on Dec 10, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually, he's got pretty scrawny arms, too...
For a 6’4 NFL QB. Black out the numbers and put him in a line-up, and I bet you couldn’t tell him from Andy Lee.
by shlecko on Dec 10, 2008 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His weight/size...
… was a big question mark coming out of school. Tall enough, but people feared he was too “scrawny.”
by sfgfan on Dec 10, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that . . . .
JTO can’t come back. He’s proven he can’t play.
Smith, I think, has potential but needs stable coaching, and the way the 49ers have changed OCs so often has hurt him, not helped.
Smith’s best performance was under Norv Turner. I think if the Niners waive him and Norv survives as SD head coach, that Smith would sign with the Chargers. (SD is also Smith’s home town.)
Now, that said, (in a somewhat muddled sort of way) the 49ers will need a capable back-up. Who should that be?
by Rhino95 on Dec 16, 2008 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible...
I think its possible O’Sullivan returns, but there is no way he is guaranteed a roster spot. He’d probably compete with Alex Smith for a roster spot (assuming Smith re-works his deal), with Smith (possibly) being the favorite (only for the simple fact that Martz hasn’t had a true opportunity to see Smith in his offense).
by sfgfan on Dec 8, 2008 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(only for the simple fact that Martz hasn’t had a true opportunity toseeruin Smith in his offense).
by Rishi on Dec 8, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt JTO returns (if Smith reworks his deal)
If they resign Smith there is no reason for them to keep JTO, especially if they draft a QB. If they like Smith enough to rework his deal then they like him more than JTO and I’d think they’d prefer a younger QB with a potentially higher ceiling than JTO who has a pretty limited ceiling.
by methodrampage on Dec 9, 2008 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I thought of that after I hit send, but left it as is.
That makes tons of sense. If they re-work Smith’s contract, they aren’t going to cut him. If they draft a QB in the middle rounds, there’s no way they’re cutting him either. So O’Sullivan would just be in a bad situation (for himself).
by sfgfan on Dec 9, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been impressed with Hill
He sems to run the offense well and doesn’t hold the ball forever like JT. That said I don’t know if I’d call him ‘the man’. I wouldn’t mind him coming back as the starter next year but I would also like to see the Niner’s draft a quarterback for the future. I’m not a big fan of using a first round pick but maybe a second or third rounder depending on who is available.
I don’t think Hill has the arm strength or the accuracy to be a great quarterback, but I think his decision making is good enough to run the Martz offense.
by DiegoAsFan on Dec 8, 2008 11:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Arm strength.
I don’t know if arm strength is all that important in Martz’ offense. Hill has enough arm to sprinkle in deeper routes (like the pass to Walker this past weekend) amongst all his dump offs and quick passes. Did you see that pass he zipped to Bryant Johnson on a comeback to get a long first down?
Besides, I think it would be ridiculous to draft (or sign) any QB with just Mike Martz’ offense in mind. Martz could very well be gone after this season, and if not then, then probably at the end of next season. Then what do you do with that QB? Not all of Martz’ QBs succeed outside of his system.
by sfgfan on Dec 9, 2008 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa there
I never said the Niners whould draft (or sign) a QB with just Mike Martz’ offense in mind. My point was that Hill has good decision making and timing which is great for Martz’ system, but that his lack of arm strength and accuracy would be more exposed in another system. That is why I suggested drafting another QB. Not to get someone who is a better fit for the offense we run right now, but to find someone who is more talented and has a better arm.
by DiegoAsFan on Dec 9, 2008 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Alex Smith on "The Dirty"
Second to None!
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Dec 10, 2008 2:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen this website twice in the last two weeks, and I’ve decided it’s stupid.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Dec 10, 2008 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a noob but..
I’ve been saying on yahoo. for months.. He’s TOUGH, hes smart, he knows football, he can play, he’s competitive, at the most competive moments, he gives the whole team a feeling of confidence, and he can throw th the ball just as far as Joe Montana. Isn’t that enough?
Oh yeah, he’s is also the winningest, and most proficient QB, since Garcia was the first 49er to throw for over 4,000 yard in a season. What if Hill gets 2,000 yards, after 8 games? it’s going to be tough, even though he’s ranked 14th in the NFL with 225 yards per game, not bad with out Larry Allen. And he can also play well in the bad weather conditions.
by Josh G and the Shaun Hill band wagon on Dec 13, 2008 11:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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