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Character Questions: When are the headaches too much?


Thursday saw the news break that Chris Henry had gotten in trouble with the long arm of the law once again.  That was followed by the not so surprising news that he was released by the Cincinnati Bengals who clearly were fed up with his act.  Even less surprising (and this is not meant as a dig at NorCalDevilASU), somebody threw up a diary about the idea of signing Henry in part because of his tremendous upside.  I definitely am in no place to criticize a suggestion of signing Henry considering I was fully behind signing this guy and even more so this guy (a search for whom led me to this "classy" website).

Anyways, I would imagine this strike will not go over well with Roger Goodell and if Henry was not suspended for the season (pending appeal as always), I'd be more than a little bit surprised.  I'm not opening this up as a thread to discuss signing Henry.  Rather, I wanted to open up the discussion on the character issue as far as signing free agents and drafting certain players.  As far as I can tell, virtually every team has signed and/or drafted a guy that had red flags based on some character issue.  This brings up a couple of questions.  I'm curious what everybody's opinion is on bringing in players with red flags.  

They always say you hate a guy until he's on your team (TO, I'm looking at you).  However, before even addressing the idea of acquiring players with character issues, we have to figure out what we consider to be a character issue.  I mean they took Tarell Brown who slipped because of misdemeanor gun and drug charges.  I look at his past problems as wrong place, wrong time and he probably isn't such a bad kid.  Of course I'm also looking at this in red and gold tinted glasses.  The current brain trust rolled the dice on Antonio Bryant and after that didn't work out, you'd like to think they're skittish about bringing in a guy who will cause problems.

Of course Tarell Brown's off-the-field issues do not come close to comparing to those of Chris Henry so I guess we have to factor in the proverbial totality of the circumstances before making a decision.  Personally, I have no problem with giving guys a second chance, particularly when it will likely come cheap.  Of course, I can also acknowledge there is considerable hypocrisy in my view.  If Lawrence Phillips or Antonio Bryant had signed somewhere else, I would have probably been out there with a few sarcastic comments about signing "criminals."  They come to the 49ers though and they're not all bad; they're misunderstood; they'll be surrounded by the right kind of people and won't get in trouble.  Then you also have to consider the talent factor.  A guy who's had some brushes with the law and is supremely talented, like Chris Henry or Lawrence Phillips or Antonio Bryant, is going to get more second chances than some practice squad guy.

I think part of the hypocrisy comes from being a fan of the team, which I think is a fairly obvious observation.  I grew up in Las Vegas in the 80s when UNLV was the baddest team on the planet and everybody considered them cheaters.  As far as I was concerned the NCAA and the rest of the country could kiss off because they were just jealous.  Of course I still think that but that's another matter for another day.  

So I guess the question is what are your thoughts on character issues.  Chris Henry seems to be the threshold guy as far as clearly being out of control and not worth the headaches (or maybe not).  Is there a definitively line on who you'd accept the 49ers (or any of your other favorite teams) signing or is it a pretty tough line to mark?

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My moral compass is all kinds of fucked...
...compared to most people, but I really don't care much about character issues as long as they can play.  As long as their character issues don't keep them off the field (suspensions, arrests, etc.), I don't care.  The only questions then are:
  1. How good are they?
  2. How much of a discount are we getting?
We are not who I thought we were.

by marcello on Apr 3, 2008 10:41 PM PDT reply actions  

3 should probably be
3. what is the risk they won't be on the field?
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over....

by howtheyscored on Apr 3, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, I win this one
That was my "zero" condition
We are not who I thought we were.

by marcello on Apr 3, 2008 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...
That makes it 1-1 going into half-time?
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over....

by howtheyscored on Apr 4, 2008 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Added to the list
should also be whether they will have character issues with teammates and within the locker room.  We never want to see a guy with off-the-field issues, but I feel like a terrible teammate is even worse.

by good as gold on Apr 3, 2008 11:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice name
i still love TO!!! get your popcorn ready!!!

by diehardkingsfan5 on Apr 4, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rules
I think talent plays a big part. Obviously if a guy is as good as a carton of milk left out for a week as well as being a criminal than he will not be welcome on a team. But if the guy is as good as a bottle of water after starving in the desert for a couple of days than the team will over look the criminal infractions. Case in point Steeler's letting go of WR Cedrick Wilson and keeping of pro bowl linebacker James Harrison after both be charged with physical abuse on a lover. Obviously Harrison is the better player and so he was kept, but it seems that their is a double standard.

Beyond that I think that it also depends on the crime and public view. If it was a DUI and fans don't care, than team discipline will be minimal, but if it was killing puppies... don't know who that reminds me of... and their is active protests than obviously measures must be taken. It all depends on how the crime is viewed, as well as the character of the person. Let's say their was a charge of soliciting a prostitute, who would you most likely believe did it: T.O. or Brett Farve? If a person we see as being an ob-standing guy we don't care about charges unless he is convicted. Until then we are willing to give them a pass.

Lastly I think it depends on league involvement/punishment. If a player is getting a lot of looks by the league for a crime he is accused of and/or is sentenced a/an suspension/expulsion from the league than that would certainly change the outlook of the players rule on the team. Especially if it's a year long suspension.

Next year will be our year! (copyright 2003*, been used each of last five years)

by StrictlyFootball on Apr 4, 2008 1:40 AM PDT reply actions  

To be fair to Cedrick Wilson
He didn't really abuse his lover. He just didn't realize that HE NEEDED TO GO DOWN on her before trying to get in her end zone.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over....

by howtheyscored on Apr 4, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes
I'm still mad about that play.
I keep reliving the moment when Steve Young almost fell down... over and over....

by howtheyscored on Apr 4, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're not alone
i still love TO!!! get your popcorn ready!!!

by diehardkingsfan5 on Apr 4, 2008 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mario Manningham
I'm not usually a guy to hanker for players with bad character (I wouldn't touch Henry or Pacman with a ten-foot pole, despite their talent).  But I think I have to confess my man-crush on Mario Manningham--even despite the fact that there are reports he lied to teams at the combine (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/hotlist.html).  (In his defense, he did try to make it right by apologizing...).  If the 9ers would trade back out of the 1st round, it would be just awesome to pick him up with a mid 2nd-round pick because a) he knows how to separate and b) HE RUNS GOOD ROUTES--a factor that's absolutely critical.  Anyone who watched his combine 40 runs knows (4.6 range) that his technique was horrible, so I'm one to believe that his pro day times (4.4 range) are more accurate.  Here's hoping that he falls...to us.

by grantmp on Apr 4, 2008 5:39 AM PDT reply actions  

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