Legacy of Mike Nolan
I know there has been talk about Nolan under notice that his team has to get better or he has to go. People even talk of Martz replacing Nolan eventually, which was uncalled for because Martz was brought in to run the offense, not to be groomed as Nolan's successor. Capisce?
Nolan brings a legacy to the 49ers dynasty. He has the dignity to have suits made by sponsors and wear them in honor of his father Dick Nolan and after the likes of Dallas Cowboy's late Tom Landry. Nolan may not be Bill Walsh, the Niner legendary coach, but he is coming after his own.
Nolan has a brilliant defensive mind and brought in a great coaching staff on both sides of the ball, and the very one thing I want to bring up is the team chemistry he brings to the table. If there is one reason why the 49ers will win this year, is the cohesive chemistry of the team. This is not only a business to all the players, coaching staff, and 49ers management, but it is a family.
Remember Eddie DeBartolo? All the players loved him and played their hearts out for him, and DeBartolo rewarded his players and coaches lavishly. Not that I don't know if Denise York treats the team the same way, but she is not a cheapskate like Marge Schott of the Cincinnati Reds were. Not that York is a penny pincher, but she wants a championship like all of us do. I dread the moment Eddie DeBartolo decides to buy the St. Louis Rams, because he creates the same kind of team chemistry Nolan has built up to date, and team chemistry is a very dangerous thing for opposing teams especially if the starting quarterback and the go-to-receiver are on the same page on every jot and tittle.
Yes, the 49ers personnel (both players and staff) know that Nolan means business, not a coach to go around on. At the same time, Nolan is not that rigid as a coach, he stresses team chemistry because he knows that has to happen in order for all of the players to be on the same page. If that takes team BBQs, or taking part in team fundraisers or skiing in Tahoe, those are the things that have to bring the players together. The 49ers want to win. If Alex Smith and Isaac Bruce have to go to a movie together, even if the movie is called "Goldilocks," to build chemistry, then so be it.
Period. Capisce?
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Legacy of Mike Nolan?
Alex Smith.
What happens with Mike Martz?
Depends on Alex Smith.
Past team chemistry?
Remember what happened with Alex Smith.
Alex Smith.
Nolan’s legacy, past and future, depends on Alex Smith.
And winning, of course.
by DesertFox on May 29, 2008 12:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Point of No Return
Despite Alex Smith’s fiasco with the press instead of keeping it in-house, he is at the point of no return. He knows that. That’s past chemistry between Smith and Nolan. What I am stressing here is team chemistry in 2008. Nolan in his socks and dapper tie is not in the trenches when the referee whistles play. It will be the best 11 players that Nolan chooses to start, including the starting quarterback.
Martz definitely will not depend on Alex Smith. Martz will play the best quarterback, Smith or not. How about shooting from the shotgun with Smith and Wesson? It will be ultimately Martz’s offensive scheme that will utilize the talented wide receiver corps, not Smith’s chemistry with the team or with Nolan. Nolan will go with the best 11 players that operate with the special team chemistry, that is present.
If we move forward from the past into a new quest for the championship, let’s uncork the champagne bottles and spray!
If Smith survives in the trenches, he will be entrenched with champagne.
by 16to80endzone on May 29, 2008 2:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
16-32
What kind of legacy is it when you’ve lost twice as many games as you’ve won. Nolan has no legacy. There will be no reminants of Nolan, outside a few expiring contracts, beyond this year if he can’t win at least half his games this season.
by methodrampage on May 29, 2008 7:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Martz
I think people asking of Martz could replace Nolan at the end of the season have a VERY valid question. Nolan’s contract is up at the end of the season, and if I remember reading correctly, the 49ers have never went into the final season of a head coach’s contract. What does this mean? Either the 49ers will ask Nolan to step down, or they will extend his contract.
Naturally, which way the team goes will mostly depend on what goes on throughout the season. If the team wins, and Nolan doesn’t make a lot of the same mistakes he’s made in the past (i.e. the Alex Smith “fiasco” or game management type issues), then he will more than likely be back. However, the 49ers will have to ask themselves this question: which is more difficult to obtain, a solid defensive coordinator that will stick, or a solid offensive coordinator that will stick? The past four years (and one could argue to include the few before that) are living proof that it is VERY difficult to find a competent offensive coordinator who will stick with a team.
As DesertFox points out in his comment above, Nolan’s reputation, along with the overall success of the team, rides on Alex Smith. Alex Smith’s success will depend on Mike Martz, primarily. So if the 49ers succeed this season, a great deal of it would be attributed to the ONE offensive coordinator who got Smith’s train rolling. If Martz threatens to leave (for a head coaching job), do the 49ers let him go and just extend Nolan? Or do they feel like he’s more important than Nolan?
Don’t get me wrong, Nolan’s done a VERY commendable job in improving the overall structure AND talent of this team, but sometimes you have to draw the line. Marty Schottenheimer was fired not because he couldn’t win, but because he couldn’t take his team to the next level. If the 49ers get to the next level this year, it’ll be (primarily) because of Mike Martz, so it IS a very valid question of whether or not the 49ers would choose him over Nolan.
Does anyone else see it this way, or is it just me? I just really think that with a successful campaign, the 49ers will actually consider choosing Martz over Nolan. Will that actually happen? That’s left to be seen, but it is VERY possible.
by sfgfan on May 29, 2008 8:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
One minor note, I think this coming year is Nolan’s 4th out of a 5 year contract. I might be mistaken, but that’s how I remember it.
Anyways, as has been stated by others, if Martz does well, the Niners will probably do well, and Nolan will be retained.
At that point, if Martz is going to leave, I don’t know what the Yorks will do, but I don’t know if Martz will actually be offered a head coaching position anywhere. Maybe I’m deluded, but I really don’t think teams will be interested in having him as a HC, even if he is successful with the Niners.
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by marcello on May 29, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fault.
I meant to say that next season, he’d be going into the final year of his contract. The first part of that sentence is just all wrong, my mistake.
I think it’s fairly plausible Martz is offered a head coaching gig if he does well. He did a decent job with the useless front office and talent in Detroit (as the coordinator). If the 49ers do well, it’ll probably be because me had great use of a mediocre receiving group and a QB many people are practically ready to call a bust. This is not to mention the fact that he still holds a fairly impressive record as a head coach.
That’s just my thoughts, though.
by sfgfan on May 29, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leaving a Legacy in the Clubhouse
Despite Nolan’s track record as a head coach, losing more games than winning, and going through 4 different offensive coordinators as of late, Nolan fosters close relationships within the team clubhouse and promotes team chemistry which is more than we can ask of Nolan to do.
It is up to the players to execute.
As for game management, Nolan just started head coaching several years ago. He is a defense coach which is his speciality.
Lastly, keep in mind that it may take Nolan and Martz to mesh together in staffing and to get things rolling, because of the new offensive scheme, or rather, a more elaborate and complex offensive scheme that all the players have to learn.
I’d give the 49ers two years to achieve our goals and dreams.
Two years max. That is reality, and a run to the playoffs or a championship this year will be the icing on the cake.
Just don’t catch yourself putting a finger to the frosting and licking it. Wait until the champagne bottle uncorks, 49er fans. Be patient.
by 16to80endzone on May 29, 2008 9:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
chemistry?
He doesn’t seem to have much chemistry with the QB he drafted considering all the communication problems last year.
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by Fooch on May 29, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're funny
You have to admit, it’s endearing when people like Mike Nolan as much as 16to80.
by Nineraguan on May 29, 2008 10:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I got a good laugh out of this as well.
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by Josh from Hollywood on May 29, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I consider myself a Nolan supporter, but so far, any legacy he’s left has to be a negative one.
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by marcello on May 29, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post!
...but aren’t we a little late for April Fool’s Day?
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by LA49er on May 29, 2008 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Nolan era
I would like to ask a question, what do you guys think Nolan accomplished during his now-present tenure as the Niner’s head coach? Do you think good players were brought in and signed, and did we have good drafts? Never mind Alex Smith, he has not really proved anything yet, but who do you have in mind that made Nolan successful? I’d like your thoughts about the Mike Nolan era. Don’t tell me about his suit and ties, or the trend that is starting among the head coaches in the NFL. Was Nolan dead-on the right track by hiring Martz? Never mind Hostler, last year’s offensive coordinator. I don’t want to think about that.
I do have thoughts about Mike Singletary, the assistant head coach succeeding Nolan several years down the road, and have Martz stay on as offensive coordinator. That’s my ideal scenario later on..
I have seen Singletary coach in person, and whoa he has so much energy while coaching his players, he’d make a fine head coach.
But now is the Mike Nolan era, and never mind the public relations fiasco with Alex Smith or the on-field management, what does Nolan represent? That’s what I’d like to hear from you folks.
My assessment? He brought in a solid group of players, and did well with the drafts, and fostered an exceptional locker room atmosphere, he has a great vision for the 49ers..never mind the miscues regarding the communication breakdown with Alex Smith, that was going to happen anyway, under the duress of seeing a no. 1 draft pick get a separated shoulder during a third offensive coordinator change, amidst gripes about the shoulder rehabilitation process. Free speech in the press prevailed over the censorship or in-house communication. If I was Nolan, I would have said to Smith, “Shut up and get with the program.” Smith has shut up and now he speaks very positively and he is excited to have the keys to the Maserati Nolan gave him in driving Martz’s offense.
The question is who will snatch the keys from Smith and what does the Nolan era represent?
Not the one who knows the playbook the best, but the one who is the best playmaker, one who can go 120 mph in a Maserati, will get the starting quarterback job and the Nolan era represents a wardrobe filled with tailored suits and ties with the 49ers logo, and a much improved damage control tactic from the Alex Smith syndrome.
Mike Nolan is a really good coach. We will know by January, for sure.
by 16to80endzone on May 30, 2008 12:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Very selective discuss
Apparently you want to ignore most of Nolan’s shortcomings; Alex Smith, Hostler, on field management. I mean what else are we supposed to discuss? I wouldn’t say he’s drafted exceptionally well, I haven’t seen any production from his first round picks outside of Willis and Staley. I also wouldn’t say he’s “fostered an exceptional locker room atmosphere” because I have been privy to locker room access but maybe you have.
You’re also kidding yourself if you think anyone besides Smith, barring injury, will be the opening day starting QB. Now I’m not saying that’s the right or wrong decisions but the Niners seem incredibly dedicated to Smith and probably rightfully so seeing how he’s still only 24.
So what does Nolan represent to me? A pretty solid DC who happens to look good in a suit. I don’t think he’s much of a HC, at least he hasn’t proven otherwise yet.
by methodrampage on May 30, 2008 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore this, ignore that.
You can’t talk about a person’s “accomplishments” or “tenure” without discussing both the good and the bad. Mike Nolan’s regime, right now, is the epitome of “mixed signals.” They’ve done some things right, but they’ve also done other things not so right.
We’ll start with the good, as that seems to be what you want to talk about. Nolan’s brought in plenty of talent. Four years ago, this year was practically the Kansas City Royals of the NFC (if not the NFL). The talent level absolutely stunk, and the salary structure, as a result was completely out of whack. Players were getting extensions that didn’t deserve it (see: Barlow, Kevan). Players who shouldn’t have been let go, were, for pride or “cap moves.”
Mike Nolan and Scot McCloughan came in and purged the entire roster of the “uselessness.” They rebuilt the front office, re-worked the salary structure (i.e. the good get rewarded with new contracts/extensions). They brought in quality character guys (with the exception of Antonio Bryant) who haven’t caused any trouble. Most importantly? The two of them drastically improved the quality of the talent here. A lot of the players on the roster four years ago, if they were with the team today, would be fighting and scraping for a roster spot, let alone playing time.
Basically, I’ll agree that he and McCloughan have forged a new “aura” around 49ers’ headquarters, but it pretty much stops there.
As method points out above, most of the “talent” he’s brought in has failed to deliver. Most of his draft picks, outside of Staley and Willis, have proven little more than league-average or roster filler. In other words, outside of Willis and Staley, there are no players who are (basically) assured a Pro Bowl spot during their careers. While the talent is solid, the realization of such talent has gone M.I.A..
Mike Nolan’s forged a really solid front office staff. The coaching staff also has a fairly solid relationship/rapport with the players. The players respond to coaching (at least they say the right things). The issue is this, while I’ve always been an avid supporter of the thought that BOTH sides were wrong in the Smith-Nolan debacle, it’s still a situation that could have been very well avoided by both parties. Both sides let the proverbial crap in the fan, but instead of shutting up and dealing with it on their own, each took additional shots at each other. That’s not conducive to a “good locker room environment.” You’re blaming Smith for the entire incident, and that’s not the case at all. It’s conceivable that Nolan wrongfully called out Smith. He may have been mis-informed by doctors (or Smith), but he threw him under the bus, nevertheless. You just don’t do that.
Another big strike against Nolan is that he had no backup plan for Norv Turner. I’ve said all along that no one could have expected Turner to go, but it’s the head coach’s job to plan for it anyway. Nolan has always touted his coaching staff as “good,” so you would think that he’d have a decent playcaller waiting in the wings behind Turner. It seems that he’s learned his lesson on this, so not only do the 49ers have Martz, they also have Tollner now on staff in case there is another Turner-like departure waiting for Mike Martz.
As I said, there are positives and negatives to Mike Nolan’s “regime.” I’d say that it’s fairly even right now, which is probably why he still has a job and is BARELY holding on. If Smith and Martz don’t pan out, he can assuredly kiss his head coaching gig goodbye. He’s done a lot for the organization, but the bottom line is that he still has to win, which he’s been unable to do. As method said: he’s a pretty solid defensive coordinator, but he hasn’t shown enough to be called much of a head coach. That opinion can change, but it is what it is, right now.
by sfgfan on May 30, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor defense of Antonio Bryant
After the Niners cut Bryant, I absolutely loved the fact that Bryant admitted he had the opportunity to do things right, and he recognized he screwed up. How many stupid people are out there that would tell you all about how the other side was obviously wrong, and he’s right (cough TO! -cough)? I respected Bryant for manning up to his mistakes afterwards, and was really hopeful he’d catch on elsewhere and do well for himself.
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by JRPhillips on Jun 2, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan
I lost a lot of respect for Nolan the last couple of years.
Many of his decisions have been suspect, IMO.
I like the idea he’s a hard nosed, don’t mess with me coach. Sent a few players packing, to “set the tone” so to speak, some a business decision, some seemed to be a “personal” decision. I’m ok with that.
Not so sure he handled Smith correctly from the get go. When Nolan decided to out Rattay, and insert Smith as starter for second half of a year that was already shot, that was a mistake. At the time our O line was not only one of the worst in the NFL, but it was a revolving chair O line because of non-stop injuries. Seems each week we had a new lineup, sometimes it changed during the game.
Should have kept Rattay as starter, and put Smith in selectively.
Yeah, there is nothing like experience, but getting experience behind a porous O line, running for your life, getting slammed into the turf isn’t ideal. Needed the reps, didn’t need to be shoved in as permanent starter.
Onward to last year.
Yes, Nolan threw Smith under the bus. There is NO WAY Smith was ready to go back in. Yes, Niners were struggling with backups in, Nolan was probably viewing a pink slip if the team didn’t turn it around, and rushed Smith back in.
Smith didn’t just look in pain as he was throwing, but he was literally bouncing balls off the turf, sometimes yards in front of the receiver, something Smith has NEVER done. His missed balls would sail, not dive. Still Nolan left him in. To Smith’s credit, all he said was ‘lots of players play hurt. It’s not a big deal”, even though it was obvious it was.
When Julian Petersen made the comment that it was obvious to everyone that Smith couldn’t use full motion, and was in pain, and shouldn’t have been in there, Nolan replied, at the press conference “I didn’t know Petersen was a doctor”.
Classless comment.
Followed by Nolan commenting ‘Smith’s problems throwing the ball are not because of injury.” MAJOR FAUX PAS CLASSLESS COMMENT.
That is throwing your qb under the bus. I’m glad Smith stepped forward and called Nolan out. He should have. He should done exactly what he did. Nolan DIDN”T KEEP IT in house. Nolan ripped Smith in the media. Classless act that warranted a rebuttal.
Lots of other decisions Nolan made that lead me to believe he may end up being of the Mike Martz mode of coaches…stick to your forte’, in this case defense, and forget trying to run the ship. The weekly defending of Hostler didn’t help Nolan. Hostler was so out of his element, and for Nolan to state he was very happy with his OC, and was sticking with his OC meant he makes personal decisions in lieu of business decisions.
Nolan still hasn’t grasped the not so fine art of clock management, calling timeouts, or even the right time to go for it on 4th down, which, IMO, has cost us games, or the chance to win them.
If Nolan goes at the end of the season, I don’t see that hurting the Niners.
by Mike49er on May 30, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nolan's departure
I can definitely see scenarios where if Nolan is ousted, the 49ers get even worse. The one big thing that Nolan and McCloughan have brought to the 49ers is a front office that knows football. The Yorks have been pretty hands-off since 2005, which is where an owner should be. I’m not saying the front office WILL go to crap if Nolan leaves (especially not immediately, but it’s definitely a possibility (especially over a few years).
by sfgfan on May 30, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Changes That can be Caused by Nolan's Depature
The question will be, will the front office stay intact if Nolan gets fired? It’s important for the front office to stay intact. Nolan, as I agree with sfgfan, brought to the 49ers a front office that knows football. I rather just give Nolan the benefit of the doubt and see where the 49ers go in 2008. My conclusion is that Nolan is a great coach, given the miscues with the Nolan/Smith debacle with the media, and certain aspects of game management, if we lose him, we have to replace Nolan with a coach that can continue the 49er’s tradition, without bringing in some other inept coach. Nolan has done a lot of things for the 49ers, it is up to the best 11 players to give the Nolan era something to show for. It’s not Nolan that will be taking the field, he will take the sidelines. I want to see Nolan achieve his goals for the 49ers, don’t we?
If we are diehard 49er fans we need to back up the head coach and his players. And Nolan won’t be departing anytime soon as long the Maserati stays in top mint condition in running the 49ers’ offense.
by 16to80endzone on Jun 1, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maserati?
Is the 49ers offense really a Maserati? I would think there are more apt descriptions for it? If they’re gonna rely on Gore to carry the offense I would think at best it’s a muscle car….
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by Fooch on Jun 1, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maserati v. Muscle Car
Didn’t Nolan hand the keys of a Maserati (Martz’s high octane offense) to Alex Smith? But it could metaphor into a muscle car, because Gore seems to save the day like Superman, swooping up Lois Lane from Candlestick Park routinely.
As long the 49ers win, Maserati or muscle car. And I don’t want the muscles just flexed, but the energy surging through it.
by 16to80endzone on Jun 2, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan is a great coach?
16to80endzone could you please change your user name to nolan’sfanboy. Personally, I would never classify a coach with a career 16-32 record as being great.
by methodrampage on Jun 2, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming into His Own
I prefer to run to the end zone wearing #80, sorry, instead of wearing a suit with tie and headphones, sir. I’d rather be wearing the uniform than be barking up and down the sidelines all day, because my voice will become hoarse. Hence, my user name stays 16to80endzone many times over. Besides the players wouldn’t be able to hear me because I am profoundly Deaf, or would you say, proudly Deaf, with a big “D.”
I classified Nolan as a great coach, not because of his career 16-32 record, but because of his code of ethics as a head coach, his VISION, and determination. I do concede on the record, it is better served to call him a great coach when the 49ers finally get to the Super Bowl. Almost all the final pieces of the puzzle are in place, all we need to do is finish the puzzle and frame it and put it up on the walls of the 49ers headquarters in Santa Clara, CA, USA, Earth, Universe, and finally, the Black Hole, away into history books, becoming a curiosity to aliens.
by 16to80endzone on Jun 2, 2008 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when he took control of the team
the roster was terrible. i mean a 5 win season was looking like a good bet. coming into last year, we were serious contendors. i mean, if we stay healthy, and alex smith figures out what to do, then this team could make a serious run at the playoffs. on second thought, i say we bring in bill billick. if he can win a superbowl without a qb, then maybe we can too
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by anaheim angels on Jun 4, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“when he took control of the team the roster was terrible. i mean a 5 win season was looking like a good bet.”
And last year he made good on that bet.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 5, 2008 4:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan is Da Man
Nolan is the man right now! If you want to write a column for 2009 speculating who the new coach would be or making bets if we bring in Billick..
If we want a successful year and not put too much mud into Nolan’s name and his thoughts, let him have the full control and see where Nolan takes it.
Then at the end of the year, we can go yak, yak, yak, sure…because you’d have earned the right to, because every man has to prove himself..
I am backing Nolan 100% as he IS the head coach and we are at his mercy of his coaching prowess..
If his ship sinks, then we move on to new things.
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by 16to80endzone on Jun 5, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nolan’s legacy will depend on whether or not he can make this past season seem like an anomaly. Nolan had a growing reputation for working on his defense and the way the Niners progressed from 2-14 to 4-12 to 7-9 and in the hunt for a wildcard spot until the second-to-last game of the year. 5-11 shouldn’t happen.
I don’t think the Niners will make the playoffs this year, but even if they end with a non-losing season, Nolan will continue on.
by Rishi on Jun 18, 2008 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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