Vernon Davis Role in Martz's Offense

by 16to80endzone on Jun 1, 2008 10:19 AM PDT Comment 73 comments

As you know, the 49ers signed Isaac Bruce to be the go-to-receiver that is already deeply familiar with Martz's innovative offense, and the Niner's have a solid, if not marquee, receiving corps for the quarterbacks to connect with.

The question is, will Vernon Davis be relegated as a blocking TE, or be deployed as a decoy to pamper the Martz offense, in the effort to create openings or to change the call at the line of scrimmage?

Before I go on, the tight end position is one of the most difficult positions to learn, there are so many things a groomed TE has to learn. It's not as if one lines up and goes straight on full speed for the bomb. It's more complicated than that.

What kind of skills does Davis have as a TE? Or as a football player in whole? Davis has speed. Dashing speed. He can beat the opposing defender if he kicks into higher gear without a problem, and he is strong as an ox. Fight him, and he'll trod over your facemask. Even if you are a linebacker, you don't want to mess with Davis, even if he is a tight end.

Secondly, he can catch the ball and run after the catch, given the speed he possesses. He can block if you ask him to.

I believe his role with the Martz occupied 49ers, will be to utilize his TE position to the tee. Martz knew how to use Marshall Faulk, and he'll use Frank Gore and who is to say he won't use Davis? Martz is an offensive coordinator who will unleash his weapons, as he did so in creating three NFL MVPs during his coaching career. His offensive scheme empowers the offense to run up the score. Jim Hostler, the 49ers Offensive Coordinator last year, will be a forgotten man, with a R.I.P. status, talk about Hostler, it would be like reading an obituary. It is going to be like Martz has been with the 49ers forever, with the ghosts of the past, present, and future.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Hostler ended up as a waterboy.

Jason Hill runs a 4.3. Bruce is the 3rd leading wide receiver in the history of the NFL who amassed over 14,000 receiving yards. Battle is a steady, reliable possession receiver who can score. Lelie has a mentor in Jerry Sullivan, the WR's coach improving under him. Bryant Johnson is a starter who was hopelessly down the depth charts in the Arizona Cardinals list of elite WR corps (Fitzerald and Boldin), possibly the best in the NFL, the odd man out, but when he played, he duplicated them. Davis is going to have the leash taken off him this year if Davis grasps Martz's offense like a farmer milking the cow.

Martz, like a Santa Claus throwing candy, will direct balls to every offensive weapon that is capable of running the routes, holding on to the ball, and running away with it. That is not to say that Davis won't be one of them. Yes, Davis will be asked to block. At times, he will be a decoy. But when his number his called, the opposing defenses won't know who to double team and be left scrambling after the ball. There will be highlight reels on the Budweiser's Play of the Game, with Davis prancing. One quarter, it will be Isaac Bruce. The next quarter, it will be Vernon Davis, the TE.

Martz will make good use of Davis as the starting tight end. I have suspicion that Martz is intrigued with speed and elusiveness, because it gives his quarterbacks a chance to perform the way his offense is designed to.

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Enough with the [crappy] similies/analogies

So you’re telling me Vernon is fast, strong, and can catch? Woohoo!

Davis is going to have the leash taken off him this year if Davis grasps Martz’s offense like a farmer milking the cow.

Seriously, WTF?!

by methodrampage on Jun 2, 2008 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

analogy

Yea, I’m a little confused too about the farmer milking the cow business.

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by Fooch on Jun 2, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Techincally I think that one is a similie

Combine that with Martz’ Santa Claus-esqueness and the Maserati 49er offense and this could be a really good reality TV show.

by methodrampage on Jun 2, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

simile-analogy

You’d think after all the standardized tests I’ve taken I’d know the difference.

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by Fooch on Jun 2, 2008 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fooch

BTW the way I’m working on an idea for front page post that was supposed to be my reward for winning the draft challenge.

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

email

Shoot me an email when you get it done so I can keep an eye out for it.

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by Fooch on Jun 3, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Reality TV Show in My Own Words

Speaking of the Santa Claus-esqueness, and the Maserati 49er offense, I guess I do have to explain everytime I do a post. Let me start with the Maserati-esqueness, if I may..Did you read in the 49er website that Nolan actually quoted saying he in the effort to improve Alex Smith as a quarterback, he handed him to the keys of a Maserati (whom he implied to be Martz because his offense is faster and the scoring type), and that it would be up to Smith to drive it.

As for the Santa Claus-esqueness, if I was a receiver, and got the ball everytime we came out of the huddle, I’d feel like our offensive coordinator was giving me candy everytime I took the field.

How sweet. And Martz is gonna unleash his offense with the 49ers this year and yes, we won’t be last in the league in offense this year. We will push past the middle of the pack and if our starting quarterback does a good job all year, we can end the 2008 NFL football season as the top 5 offensive teams.

I don’t know if that’s dreaming or some heck of a reality show, if there is one, I’d like to watch it!

And in my own words!

by 16to80endzone on Jun 2, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I would say that he is fast and strong – his hands remain an unknown.

Pedro Feliz would look great in Dodger Blue.

by irwin on Jun 11, 2008 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hands

I’m pretty sure he has a few. Or a couple. Could be a few. Who knows?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

According to...

... NFL Network, he’s got big hands.

by sfgfan on Jun 12, 2008 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Clarification

When you milk a cow for the very first time, will you do it like an old pro? Or will the cow be kicking you, as you fumble with your smallish fingers as you try to grasp it or will the milk squirt everywhere, on your pants, your face, get my analogy?

When I write I may use examples in a satire way at times. So, if Vernon Davis grasps the Martz offense, then there is no reason why he shouldn’t be able to learn how to milk a cow.

It’s about the ability to learn. Whether that be an offense or milking a cow, I don’t care, but I want Vernon Davis to learn the Martz offense and get with the program!

by 16to80endzone on Jun 2, 2008 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I still don't see what Martz' playbook has to do with squeezing teats

by methodrampage on Jun 2, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Neither do I, but I’m way more excited about it now than I was before that connection was drawn.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ha

by sam23 on Jun 2, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come to think of it, as am I

I can’t wait for Vernon Davis’ music video either.

My milking teats brings all the boys to the farm
And Martz’ is like
It’s better than Hostler’s
Damn right it’s better than Hostler’s
I can teach you
But I’d have to charge

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Check that last line

But I‘d have to ~~charge~~ block

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

I still don’t see what Martz’ playbook has to do with squeezing teats

Alu mohe!

by Fana Chimes on Jun 2, 2008 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Milking in the Playbook

We have to learn the playbook and play well to give the 49ers the best chance to win. If we can’t learn to milk a cow, we cannot learn Martz’s playbook either.

Anybody can fix a car if they put their minds to it. Let’s hope one of the three quarterback hopefuls puts their mind to putting Martz’s playbook into play. It’s about putting your heart and soul into the offense, you have to believe in it to make it work.

I am not going to put my mind into milking a cow, but if all of them fail, I might as well as try out for the quarterback job. I may not be able to throw 70-yarders but in short slant or verticle plays I can throw dead-on accurately, with pie on my face or not.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 2, 2008 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I think I milked a cow once, when I was like 6

Nevermind, this is going no where.

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm reminded of any number of Samuel Beckett plays.

The players:

Coherence:

The Nothingness:

The scene:

Coherence and The Nothingness sit in a well lit room, the only blackness of which lies in their souls.

Coherence: Hey man.
The Nothingness:
Coherence: Are you going to say anything? If you’re not going to say anything I’ll just get out of here.
The Nothingness:
Coherence: FAULTY BUBBLES PIE ARE!

Exeunt Coherence.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 2, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

???

i understood vernon milking martz much more than I did that, but at least it didnt leave me with such a disturbing image.

by sam23 on Jun 2, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm… Elaborate Samuel Beckett Jokes Which Reflect the State of This Thread FTL?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2008 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You just milked my mind man

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s what I do. My fingers are just the right size.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

How do they compare to Alex Smith's?

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Vernon Davis gets paid to catch the ball. He will catch the ball.

by rufio on Jun 2, 2008 9:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Right on the Money

Rufio, you’re right on the money! If one gets paid to catch the ball, he better catch it. Or any team will let a player go if he is not catching balls. This is the NFL, brah!

by 16to80endzone on Jun 2, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

AND

milk cows…..or milk Mike Martz I’m still a little confused. Maybe the Giants ought to pay Zito to milk cows , because I think he gets paid to get guys out, but he doesnt seem to be doing it.

by sam23 on Jun 2, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zito Ought to be Doused (milk?)

Sam23, Zito is getting paid too much to have lost 20 games in two seasons so far, but he is coming along. He is pitching better, but he needs to continue being more productive or else he’ll have to buy a big ranch and get up at 4am every morning to milk cows.

Because he’ll get a one-way ticket to milk cows.

Anyhow we need to forego the milking cow riotous conversation, because if any of the 49ers are reading all the comments about milking cows, they’re going to get distracted from the complex Martz offense. They need their focus, with their milk and cookies.

Let’s not catch them at the cookie jar, because Martz wouldn’t like that. Coach Martz needs them slender and fast to make his offense work.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 2, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

OT-giants

true but what do you think makes Lincecum sicker? -seeing the Giants blow 7 shutout innings worth of work to tag him with a no decision or seeing that Zito’s paycheck is roughly 30 times as much as his own?

by sam23 on Jun 3, 2008 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

both

are probably worse than milk on a hot day. “milk was a bad choice”

by sam23 on Jun 3, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sticking to Football

Aside from this blog being Niner la-la land, mention of Zito makes me think of spoiled milk. I am going to be drinking Gatorade from now on until Zito starts winning the next 8 games to be a .500 pitcher for half of our money’s worth.

Sometimes Linecum would get a win after 6 or 7 innings which makes the no-decisions he gets even more maddening. I regurgitate on how Linecum could have got the win like a poor cow, stuck with Zito’s blase’ grass.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 3, 2008 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

So much for football...

I thought this might be an interesting discussion about football. No doubt the discussion is interesting, and quite entertaining, but not a lot of football going on here. Consider this my attempt to bring this back to football.

I think this topic brings up a serious concern. endzone, I think you brought up a good point, but then dismissed it just as quickly. The TE has never been a key component of a Mike Martz offense, at least that I can recall. The Greatest Show on Turf, and even the Lions offenses, revolved around a versatile running back and three solid receivers. I think we’ve got the ingredients to fit this profile, but Davis might end up the odd man out. Bad news for the team that is paying him over $3 million this year (via Niner Cap Hell)

Now that I’ve mentioned football, I have to go back to the milking thing. All I can think about it Vernon Davis in an UnderArmor commercial. “Click, clack. This is our farm! We gotta fill them buckets!”

"Rapport? You mean like, 'You run as fast as you can, and I'll throw it as far as I can'?"
-Jeff Kemp, 49ers quarterback, when asked about his rapport with wide receiver Jerry Rice

by Exhibit G on Jun 3, 2008 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice

Probably the main reason for the lack of football talk is that this topic has been discussed previously. But in response to your concern, if Martz is a big enough dumbass to totally ignore his biggest playmaking receiving threat, then there in no way he belongs in the NFL at any capacity. I highly doubt that Martz is a one-trick-air-it-out-pony, he’ll get the running game and TE more involved than he has in the past. Martz has never had a TE that has had the potential to perform like Davis, maybe that was by design maybe not. All I know is that as an outsider looking in Gore and Davis represent, hands down, the biggest playmaking threats on the offense. If it takes splitting Davis then so be it but Davis better have a prominent role in this offense.

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I’ve honestly not followed Mike Martz’s career with any fervor until he became part of the Niners organization. While I would assume he never had a talented individual at the TE position, I could not say for certain. Davis will probably be just fine. My concern was just that I had to look up who his Tight Ends were in the past, and barely recognized the names. I figured that, even if they weren’t stars, I might have more easily recognized the names of the players in such a key offensive position.

"Rapport? You mean like, 'You run as fast as you can, and I'll throw it as far as I can'?"
-Jeff Kemp, 49ers quarterback, when asked about his rapport with wide receiver Jerry Rice

by Exhibit G on Jun 3, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Return to Football Amidst Concerns Over Depth at O-Line...

Exhibit G (Exhibit Gig at TE?), your successful attempt in bringing this back to 49er football, as for Davis being the odd man out due to the Martz offense utilizing a versatile running back and three solid wide receivers, we must remember that Martz has a liking to anybody with raw speed, he probably will use Vernon Davis more than a Billy Bajema. I like Delanie Walker, it’ll be both him and Davis that Martz won’t hesitate throwing to, but Bajema will have his number called just like any other NFL player. Martz will use the one who blocks the best and throw to him in bringing up the score, but not in running up the score as an affront to the NFL’s mutual code for all teams in respect towards each other and the sportsmanship of the game. Davis can be an insurance for the Niners if the receivers do not score, for some reason. The TE role has to be re-defined each time we have to bring in a new offensive coordinator in digesting the playbook and getting accustomed to the intricacies of the offense.

It’s not Pop Warner football, after all.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 3, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

WTF are you talking about?

Martz will use the one who blocks the best and throw to him in bringing up the score, but not in running up the score as an affront to the NFL’s mutual code for all teams in respect towards each other and the sportsmanship of the game.

First off this makes zero sense, like most of your post that this was exerted from. Secondly, when was the last time that the Niners were even good enough to run the score up on a Pop Warner team?

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes WTF I'm a Talkin' About

Methodrampage, if we have a group of TE’s on any given team the coach will use the one who can block the best. And since Davis will not be the go-to-man, due to the fact he will use three-man receiver sets..Obviously Davis is just another added weapon to Martz and to win by bringing up the score, he’ll throw to Davis.

In the NFL there is a code, an understanding between all teams that when a team is way ahead in score (i.e; 45-3 49ers) that it is a no-no to run up the score.

There is a difference between bringing up the score and running up the score. Bringing up the score is scoring enough points to win. Running up the score is scoring more points purposedly because we are so way ahead and completely demolishing the other team that we show no mercy, just for show. In the NFL, when a team does that, it’s offensive.

Thirdly, my post was speculative on the TE position. In writing fanposts, we either can be experts on NFL football, knowing the fundamentals of football and all the techniques, plays, and even some intricacies of the playbook, or we can be 49er fans who reads news often, keeping track of the 49er team, checking the team websites often, checking player profiles and commenting in 49er blogs and fan blogs.

NFL football is difficult to comment from because a head coach who is the insider, has his reasons for the moves or positioning a player or for choosing who will start for the 49ers.

We are not insiders but we can write fanposts to the best of our ability and write from a fan’s perspective.

After all, at the beginning of each fanpost written, it states “This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation’s writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation’s writers or editors.”

I sure can write. I am a writer. I just started writing posts on NinerNations, and while I may be a little off to start with, I’ll get back on track. The Milk debacle was funny, though from seeing some comments, I got a kick out of it. Tell me what you want me to write about, and I’ll cook it up, but sorry, no field trips to watch the cows being milked.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where do you get this stuff?

if we have a group of TE’s on any given team the coach will use the one who can block the best.

Bajema is by far the best blocking TE on the team. So you’re telling me that Bajema will be the starting TE or atleast used more than Davis? I think not.

In the NFL there is a code, an understanding between all teams that when a team is way ahead in score (i.e; 45-3 49ers) that it is a no-no to run up the score.

Do you have a link or a source for such a code? Because I’m pretty sure you’re making this up. (see 2007 NE Patriots).

In the NFL, when a team does that, it’s offensive.

You’re right this is the NFL, not pop warner, not high school, not college. The NFL consists of grown men, who if they didn’t want to score to be ran up on them they should probably do something about it, like score or stop the other team from scoring. By no means should they be getting their big boy panties in a bundle.

Don’t get me wrong I enjoy your Fanposts, very much so. It’s just that when you start making stuff up you should expect to be called out on it. That’s all.

by methodrampage on Jun 4, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Blocking

Methodrampage,

If Bajema is the best blocking TE on the team, if he doesn’t have the speed like Davis does, Martz will use the balancing scale and go with the player who has raw speed but adequate blocking skills.

I just believe there is an unspoken “code” between players in the NFL about running up the score. I’ll research for links/sources for this issue.

For example in baseball, in the Major Leagues there are things players/teams can do and things they can’t do. Like when you hit a homerun, you don’t point your finger at the pitcher and say, hahaha! Or keep your hands in a flap down during a home run trot, like Jeffrey Leonard, formerly of the SF Giants, did. I am sure the opposing team was offended when he did that.

Same here when game is long over, by being ahead 49-3, do we kick for the field goal or opt to try for a touchdown? I think that is what I am referring to. There is a silent code of ethics among players in professional sports. In cycling, do we hang together in a pack to battle the oncoming winds in order to go faster or do we disperse and go solo, making it a slower race for everyone?

I hope there is a grasp on my examples if they were sufficient enough to point out in explaining some of my quotes.

The New England not only ran up the score, they cheated. If not officially, then in our minds there is an asterisk next to the Super Bowl wins recorded in the history books.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Running up the score.

Who sets the arbitrary point where a game is “out of hand?” Why would it be a 40 point deficit instead of a 35? Or how about 32?

I don’t believe in there being rules against “running up the score,” as method points out, these guys are all grown men. The team winning still has a job to do, regardless of the score. So if the winning team gets into field goal range, they have to kick a field goal instead of running the regular offense until they’re stopped? That’s a load of bull. Why, as the head coach, would I agree to take away from my players’ in-game experience (gains/losses) by pulling the chord? Likewise, if i were the losing team, why would I want to deter my players from learning that they CAN get their heads kicked in if they don’t learn from their mistakes?

It’s all kind of goofy and very “protect the children” for my tastes.

by sfgfan on Jun 4, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

NFL Rules or Silent Code of Ethics

sfgfan, do you know what Silent Code of Ethics are? A silent, mutual agreement among teams regarding the dos and don’ts.

I'd run up the score it it was 57-34. Because things change fast. But if the score was 57-3, I'd choose a field goal, because I don't need to run up the score unless we want to set records just for that sake. It should be a 50 point deficit when we should stop running up the score, and if it is in the 4th quarter.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

NFL Rules or Silent Code of Ethics

For some reason the font changed and the rest of my comment was cut, so I am re-doing this comment:

sfgfan, do you know what Silent Code of Ethics are? A silent, mutual agreement among teams regarding the dos and don’ts.

I’d run up the score if it was 57-34, because things change fast due to the fact it’s only a 23-point deficit. But if it’s a 50-point deficit, I would elect to do a field goal, instead of taking the snap for another try for yet another touchdown, especially if it’s the 4th quarter.

Make sense? Unless a team wants to set a scoring record at the risk of incurring wrath from the other team.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I must not be ethical in sports.

Isn’t part of competition to, you know, score? On top of that, isn’t part of competition to, you know, generate rivalries? What’s a good way of stimulating a rivalry? Beat another team repeatedly and try to beat them bad everytime. If they get upset about it, they should work harder to reverse the tables and lay the beat down on you.

It’s a sports competition, not some kind of family or friend relationship. What happens on the field should stay on the field.

by sfgfan on Jun 4, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you watch sports?

Have you seen what Manny Ramirez does when he hits a homerun or the shit Joba Chamberlain and Frankie Rodriguez pull? They may have been this code of sportsmanship in previous generations but it is quickly deteriorating.

As far as the NFL goes the reasons teams don’t “run up the score” has infiintely more to do with not risking injuries than it does for the feeling of the players on the opposing team.

by methodrampage on Jun 4, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bajema or Davis?

If Bajema is by far the best blocking TE on the team, is that to say that Bajema will get the nod over Davis as the starting TE, given his scheme calls for blocking so the wideouts can get open?

Or if Davis is too good to be a 2nd stringer, if Bajema is a better blocker, then what are the options and how does it play out? As we obviously need blocking as well as ability to catch the ball and run with the speed like Davis has.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bajema

He’ll be lucky if he’s anything more than third string. By this, I mean that he’ll be lucky if he plays more snaps than Delanie Walker, let alone Vernon Davis. He may get in on goal line and short yardage situations, but no matter HOW good his blocking is, he will not be a starter on a team with Davis on the roster. It’s kind of silly to even think that he would be.

by sfgfan on Jun 4, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

3rd receiver

Do we not consider Davis to be motioned out to be a third receiver at times… Martz is known for motioning all its targets as well as disguising the look of an offense to be either run or pass… Can we not consider a double tight end line up with Davis being a slot receiver and keeping Bajema to help with protection or motion Bajema out and become a fullback for a running play… This is why Martz is such a “Mad Scientist” he will come up with crazy formations, shifts and personnel alignments to confuse the opposing D. Martz will always look for mismatches but its up to the players to pick up weekly alignments quickly… im eager to see what he can do with Davis, Walker (a poor man’s Davis) and Gore, not to mention Johnson, Bruce and Battle.

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Jun 3, 2008 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

With Gore and Foster on the roster, we’re one good back away from being able to return to the dominant T formation!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Imagine motioning from a tratitional I formation with Davis as TE, 2 WR out wide, whoever our fullback is for the particular play (let us say Robinson, here) and as I believe he was called earlier “bowling ball with knives” Frank Gore.

The D would have no choice but to run their base D, either a 3-4 or 4-3. If they ran Nickel, you just give it to Gore and he gets 5+ yards a pop.

So, with at least 3 LBs in the game for the defense, we change the formation so that Vern Davis is out wide, one of the 2 WRs moves inside Davis to the slot, Gore motions into the other slot, and the FB lines up next to the QB, who is now in shotgun.

We now have the following mismatches: 1 slot WR against a bigger, slower LB, Vern Davis against a much smaller, and possibly not as fast CB, Frank Gore on an LB, passing attack against a run defense.

If we don’t see that type of thing on Sundays, I will be disappointed.

by rufio on Jun 3, 2008 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly my point

hence the name Mad Scientist Martz… from what I remember from the rams offense their whole scheme is based on how a defense lines up… so all of the offense has to know how to recognize the defense… basically everyone with the potential to touch the ball has to see what a quarterback ordinarily sees

I too will be disappointed if your scenario does not go down throughout the year.. great scenario by the way

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Jun 4, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am a Browns fan too, and with Winslow Jr and the newly drafted TE Martin Rucker, plus their fullback who is a new school pass catching/smaller faster type plus their 5’9” Darren Sproles type RB who can catch….there is a lot that could be done. I probably think about it too much.

Still, there is a point where this sort of thing gets gimmicky and stops working in the NFL for whatever reason(s). Play-action where Davis looks like he is going to take on a SLB and then burns him is something you will probably see a lot more than huge formation changes. Hopefully Martz doesn’t try to pass 75% of the time and the heavy doses of Gore keep Ds honest.

Simple motions (such as moving one WR on to the same side as the other WR) can also be effective, create mismatches, and reveal coverages. If the CB goes with the WR in motion, you can bet on it being man coverage, and if he doesn’t, it’s probably zone….we should see that sort of thing too.

by rufio on Jun 4, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Martz and a TE

I don’t think Martz’ lack of a “productive” TE in his past is not necessarily something he purposely does. He’s just never had a very good receiving tight end, and DEFINITELY never had one with Vernon Davis’ skill-set. Martz, as method points out, would be a complete idiot to leave Davis out of his game plan.

Davis, aside from Gore and/or Robinson, will probably lead the team in receptions. At least, that is, unless the quarterback is a complete FAIL.

by sfgfan on Jun 3, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

If the Niners wanted someone to ignore Davis they could have just retained Hostler.

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow.

My grammar is FAIL. First sentence is basically saying that I don’t think Martz has “ignored” the TE on purpose.

by sfgfan on Jun 3, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Beware of the double negatives

by methodrampage on Jun 3, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

is it possible to weed out stupid posts and diaries like this one?

when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??

by diehardkingsfan5 on Jun 3, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

But without diaries (fanposts?) like this I never would have been able to make fun of Samuel Beckett. And even if I was the only person who thought that joke was funny, it made this whole thing worth it for me.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 3, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no clue who Samuel Beckett is and Wikipedia didn’t help me understand (too many big words).

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Jun 3, 2008 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Weeding out Idiotic Posts

You can weed them out by writing a better one than mine, simply. Maybe another topic would be more endearing to you.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

a better fanpost

would be to ask or discuss whether we think vernon will have a better year and how martz will use him (not to milk cows or whatever you said). Method was great in calling you out on your completely made up comments. The stuff that you said was so incredibly far-fetched that I can’t help but wonder if you are being serious with the stuff you say or are you just trying to be funny.

when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??

by diehardkingsfan5 on Jun 4, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I think thats what the "Recommend" action is for

by methodrampage on Jun 4, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just Trying to be Funny

When one tries to be funny, it’s unevitable that someone like Method would call me out, I kinda expected that. Didn’t hurt to test the waters.

I would have to pay closer attention to the the details before doing a fanpost, otherwise you’d think I was making it up. As for the milking cow debacle (laughing), I guess it was more odd than I thought it was to use in a fanpost. I don’t know what got into me, the creativity or the oddball syndrome. Really, I don’t know.

You’ll see a more 49er-like fanpost next time. At least I got you guys a little more loose.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Don't sweat it.

I’m just kind of busted your balls because your new as I have on a couple others. I hope you didn’t get offended and I’m not sure if Fooch agrees or not but I don’t think fanposts or discussions need to be hardcore serious talk all the time.

by methodrampage on Jun 4, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think I’m the poster-child for fanposts and discussions not being hardcore serious all the time.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 4, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Well that’s because you’re never serious.

by sfgfan on Jun 4, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

FanPosts

I definitely have no problem with more light-hearted FanPosts. Heck, a FanPost doesn’t even have to be about the 49ers or the NFL if it’s topical and worth discussing. I obviously prefer discussions centered around the 49ers, but there is always interesting stuff to discuss. The exceptions to that would be politics, religion, that sort of thing. Normally a FanPost about the Giants would fit in better at McCovey Chronicles, but if you think it’s something 49ers fans would be interested in reading about and discussing, go to town. Hope that makes sense.

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by Fooch on Jun 4, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lighthearded But Goofy

Fooch, glad you have no problem the lighthearted FanPosts, although some of my quotes were a little goofy. Same here, would like to see discussions centered around the 49ers, of course. Maybe a tidbit here and there dropping in names like Zito and his misery with the Giants.

By the way I sense there is a Chilo Rachal/Adam Synder battle for the offensive guard position. And seeing Rachal being put at tackle where there is “space” speaks volumes of the confidence Nolan has in him.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Confidence.

Does that mean Nolan lacks confidence in him? The 49ers perceive guards to “not do much,” so if the 49ers didn’t think he could compete with Snyder, Baas and Wragge and moved him outside, does that mean the 49ers lack confidence in his ability to start?

by sfgfan on Jun 5, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Confidence Both on the Inside and Outside

Nolan has confidence in Rachal on both the inside and outside, but putting him into where there is “space” which takes certain athleticism, that speaks volumes, does that clarify, sfgfan?

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 5, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

How much confidence...

I think you’re just reading too much into it. I think they needed depth at tackle, so they moved him there. Not necessarily because they were sure he could play tackle, but because the team would have a more genuine need for him if he could. As it stands, the team is brining Sims in for a tryout/physical on Monday, so I don’t think there was THAT much confidence that Rachal could stick outside. There was just too much competition inside.

by sfgfan on Jun 5, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sweating Like a Pig

Ha, naw, I am not sweating it although I tend to explain myself although I suck in explaining myself out of traffic tickets. Ho Humm…

Method, I didn’t get offended. It’s nice to be splashed with cold water every once in a while, it puts me back into perspective on what works and what doesn’t.

And no, I don’t plan to be hardcore serious all the time, barring another milk debacle.

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs