Bryant Johnson vs. Arnaz Battle: Battle for the 49ers #2 WR
This post is inspired by two things. First, we had some discussion in the End of Week link dump about Bryant Johnson and Arnaz Battle. In a bit of good timing, that fell on the day Arnaz Battle made it to OTAs, after missing last week without notifying the team. In a conference call with reporters, Battle made it seem like a simple personal matter. When asked if he was disgruntled over the "demotion" to the #3 receiver heading into camp, Battle said, "If you look at the history since I've been here, every year they brought someone in to take a role in this offense as a receiver. I don't look at it as any different than the past. I just want an opportunity to do what I do and play a role in this offense." Let's be honest, professional athletes have become amazing at spinning things the way they want, so maybe he's spinning, maybe he's telling the truth. Who knows. However, my favorite line in response to a question about how behind he was in missing a week of learning the offense, "They (other receivers) probably have a step...But I played quarterback. I feel l have the intelligence to come in and learn the position and get out there and make plays and make things happen."
So aside from that little drama, the real question is what to make of the upcoming training camp battle between Bryant Johnson and Arnaz Battle for the #2 receiver position. First off, I'm working under the assumption that Bruce will be in the starting lineup. Also, I'd expect a lot of 3-receiver sets this season, but we're just considering two starting receivers for arguments' sake. While Bryant Johnson is slotted into the starting lineup, a lot can change in the next two months and even into the regular season. Thus, the answers available in the poll below. For now, let's see what each receiver brings to the table.
Bryant Johnson
Johnson has always been a huge potential guy with two camps: one side arguing he has never been able to put it all together and force the coach's hand and the other side arguing he's been stuck behind great receivers in Arizona and never got a fair shake. His career averages over five seasons are 42 receptions, 535 yards, 1.8 touchdowns and a career YPC of 12.7. All in all he's been a pretty average receiver if that. However, as is the case with many wide receivers, it's easy to get sucked in by the enormous talent. His scouting report points to all the exciting possibilities, as well as the inevitable causes of disappointment that seem to strike every high upside wide receiver:
Johnson is well-built, physical and fast. He has quality tools and a good feel for the game. He can find voids in coverage when a play breaks down. He knows how to use his size and strength to create separation...But Johnson's focus and consistency need to improve. He sometimes appeared frustrated with his role as Arizona's No. 3 receiver last season. His play seemed lackadaisical at times. He will peek at defenders around him in traffic and drop balls as a result...He doesn't play up to his timed speed. His effort as a route runner and downfield blocker could be better. He could be even more physical and a little tougher.
The "pro-Johnson" crowd (for lack of a better phrase) would argue that as this shows, his problems came from being held back as the #3 receiver. They would argue that as the #2 receiver in a Mike Martz-led San Francisco offense, Johnson would be able to make that step to the proverbial next level. He's only 27 years old and should thus be entering the prime of his career. The other side would argue that if he has concentration problems, what happens when the potentially dominant running game of the 49ers takes over and Johnson potentially becomes an after thought at times in the game? If he's not getting the ball enough would he become a TO-type distraction? Or if not a distraction would he just be ineffective?
Arnaz Battle
There is no doubt Arnaz Battle is a fan-favorite. Well he's certainly a favorite of this fan. That favoritism will sneak into this section on Battle, so be prepared to take some of this with a grain of salt. Battle was a converted quarterback who has done whatever is necessary to become a quality receiver for the 49ers. In his last four seasons (his rookie season he had no catches and was primarily a special teams guy), Battle has averaged 37 receptions, 448 yards, 2.75 touchdowns and 12.0 yards per catch. These numbers are worse than Johnson, but Battle has also shown improvement, where Johnson has been pretty much the same each season. The scouting report on Battle points to the strengths and weaknesses we all know are there:
Battle is physical and fast. He has quality tools and a good feel for the game. He can find a void in coverage when a play breaks down. He knows how to use his speed and route-running ability to create separation...He freelances less than he once did, but his route-running polish and effort need more work. His play seems lackadaisical at times...He could be more physical and a little tougher. He needs to work harder as a downfield blocker.
One prime argument of the "anti-Battle" camp (again, for lack of a better phrase) is that he is not a high upside guy. While he has shown some skills since his move to wide receiver, he will never have the freakish natural abilities of Bryant Johnson. One could argue that considering the problems the 49ers offense has had in the past, starting Battle might be too safe a play, and going with Johnson is a roll of the dice that could pay off huge dividends.
One positive to all of this is the potential for a whole lot of 3-WR sets involving Bruce, Johnson AND Battle. One thing I do need to do is some more research on the Mike Martz offense and some more specifics on the wide receivers contributions. We all know about "The Greatest Show on Turf" and the offensive fireworks in St. Louis, but we definitely need more specifics.
For now, though, I'm curious what people think will happen at that second starting wide receiver position. The poll responses aren't completely clear, but basically what I'm wondering is who will be starting at the beginning of the season and who will be starting at the end of the season. This does not consider injuries, but rather if one guy happens to have a strong year and move past the other guy on the depth chart.
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I voted in the poll, and I believe that my bias is showing.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 10, 2008 3:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted too in the poll, and my bias also showed. It’s hard to hide my bias, because we all know where Johnson came from, and why he was relegated to the no. 3 WR spot under Fitzerald and Boldin, the best WR tandem in the NFL.
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by 16to80endzone on Jun 10, 2008 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I really like Arnaz Battle. Like.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 10, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Battle and Johnson Competition
Johnson was a no. 3 on the Cardinal’s WR Corps, probably the best in the NFL, and without Fitzerald and Boldin, Johnson would have been no. 1. I put Johnson at no. 2 respectively, with Battle a close no. 3.
Battle was no. 2 WR for the 49ers, with Darrel Jackson at no. 1, in 2007, I think, I can’t remember exactly because I was so distracted with the OC Jim Hostler debacle after previous OC Norv Turner’s departure from the 49ers. With Battle stating as a former quarterback he will be able to grasp the new offense brought to the team by new and latest OC Mike Martz, the 49ers know they can play the best players without Battle griping since he is accustomed to his role with the 49ers, he accepts it and just wants the opportunity to contribute.
Without question Battle should have been no. 1 in 2007, but this year we have a much improved WR corps, Battle can step in and do his job, and the 49ers under Martz’s offense will go with 3-man WR sets, anyway. Who cares who is number 1, 2 or 3, if Martz will have 3 WRs line up on a single play or the entire 4 quarters? The 3rd WR will produce good numbers if not astronomical, to the least.
I don’t know Martz’s offense very well since as a 49er fan I tend to pay more attention to the Niner offenses in recent years. As a result I cannot speak for how Martz will use the WR’s, but I have a feeling that Johnson will edge Battle out for the no. 2 WR position, because Johnson is a no. 1 WR except for that Fitzerald and Boldin was in the way as I mentioned in the first paragraph of this comment post.
I would like to remind fanpost readers what Fooch wrote in 2007 speaking of the 2007 WR (team) Depth Chart, here it goes:
Wide Receiver – “So when we’re running 2-receiver pro sets, obviously Darrell Jackson’s the 1. Does Lelie get the first crack at the 2nd starting spot, or is Battle the incumbent and getting the first crack? I’d guess Lelie would be the 2 and Battle the 3 based on their individual skill sets.”
Fooch predicted Battle would be the no. 3 WR in 2007. Fooch, do you think Battle will make the jump from no. 3 to no. 2 in 2008 given the fact we have vastly improved WR corps, with the departure of the incumbent Darrel Jackson and the additions of Isaac Bruce and Bryant Johnson and the tutelage of Lelie under WR’s coach Sullivan and the potential for a breakout year by Jason Hill?
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 10, 2008 4:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
without Fitzerald and Boldin, Johnson would have been no. 1.
You can say this about pretty much every #3 receiver, though. And if the Cardinals thought so much of Johnson, why would they go out of their way to put guys on the roster who would supplant him on the roster (granted, Boldin was a bit of a surprise)?
Fooch predicted Battle would be the no. 3 WR in 2007.
A year sure makes a difference, huh? I’ll never hold a guy accountable for something he said about a football player a year ago. It’s just too easy for situations and opinions to change, even over a matter of weeks. I think Battle showed a lot last season. When everything was going wrong with the passing game, he still managed to find a way to have nearly the most productive season of his career (fewer catches, but more TDs and a better yard/catch than any other year).
I think that’s somewhat impressive. The fact that it was still only 600 yards makes it easy to dismiss, but this was a team on which the second leading receiver only had 509 yards, on which the #1 receiver had under 500 yards and only 60 more yards than the RB.
Battle was a veritable presense in a system that was practically designed to supress performance. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt going into camp.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 10, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it should be a good battle
I was never that big of a Bryant Johnson fan and I wasn’t too upset when no effort made to resign him but he is a decent player. My problem was he didn’t dramatically step up when he was given a chance to start (via injuries). I went back and looked at his stats as a starter vs. his stats as a #3 over the past three seasons. I didn’t look at his first two seasons since I gave that to him as a development period. I also omitted two games in 2005 in which he didn’t accumulate any stats.
20 Starts: averaged 3.4 receptions and 45.1 yards per game (13.3 ypc)
26 Non-starts: 2.2 receptions and 30.7 yards per game (13.8 ypc)
The only significant difference is when he managed to reach the endzone. Over those three years he scored 7 touchdowns and 6 of them came in games that he started.
None of those averages are discouraging but he basically caught one more pass in games that he started. Either way I think he can be an effective player in either role, especially in a Mike Martz offense.
by cgolden on Jun 10, 2008 8:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Repitition
Since there are multiple discussions on this topic floating around, I think I’ll just repeat one of my biggest pet peeves about the pro-Johnson camp:
I think it’s just plain wrong to ignore the fact that Johnson was a first rounder who lost out to TWO players. One of these players were taken AFTER him in the draft, which to some extent, should mean that he has the higher potential. The other player was a whole year behind in development and Johnson STILL lost out to him from the get go.
Johnson, for all the talent he has, also has an amazing ability for disappearing, apparently. Boldin had 100+ receptions in his rookie year. How many did Bryant have (being the ONLY other WR)? 35. Thirty-frickin-five. You would think a first rounder would have been in on the action more than that, ESPECIALLY with the WR playing opposite him probably drawing most of the double-teams. But for whatever reason, he didn’t.
Needless to say, I completely disagree that he’s shown himself to be a a #2. He’s a #3 that has potential to be a #1. He’s had five seasons to try to realize that talent, and he hasn’t done it yet. His career is half over, practically, so I think it’s an upwards climb for him to prove he’s starting material.
I’m not saying he CAN’T be the starter. I just think it’s completely wrong that they bumped Battle down on the depth chart, pretty much immediately, in favor of him.
by sfgfan on Jun 10, 2008 9:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Three receiver sets? Not witht hose scouting reports...
Everybody should know by now that Martz forgets about his Running Backs at times… Especially when they start out slow in a game. His greatest strength (and weakness) is his ability to change things up in mid stride. The problem is that once he does that, he forgets whatever he was trying to do in the first place…
Both Battle and Johnson were graded as average run blockers. I don’t know Bruce’s grade, but I hope its at least decent. Thank god for Vernon, who will be worth his weight in gold to those 3 receiver sets as he can maul or toast a LB.
Basically, I am worried about the fact that our base offense might be very bad at running the ball because the WR’s won’t do their jobs. No downfield blocking or even competent blocking early on= NO LONG RUNS.
by FallenSkye on Jun 10, 2008 9:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Run blocking
Funny, everything I’ve always heard about Arnaz Battle’s run-blocking ability is that it’s above average, he’s always striving to improve, and he actually likes doing it. I don’t know much about Johnson or Bryant, but I’m pretty sure run-blocking is something Battle is good at.
As for Martz forgetting his running back, I completely disagree for reasons previously stated in the dozens of other threads saying that he neglects his running backs. Marshall Faulk didn’t become one of the greatest running backs to ever play the game by being neglected. While he could certainly have rushed for more yards, I think Martz prolonged his career by using him less in the run game and balancing it out with using him more in the passing game. Just because Martz has appeared to forget about the running game from time to time, it’s a far cry from actually forgetting he has a running back that can play. He just uses them to do other things.
In Detroit, he had a sorry group of running backs. Any coach would have easily forgotten about them because, quite frankly, they’re very forgettable. Frank Gore? Not so much.
by sfgfan on Jun 10, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Battle and blocking
I agree on the Battle and run-blocking. The wording in the two scouting reports seems pretty similar leading me to think they really didn’t work all that hard on some of these and just inserted generic scout-speak.
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by Fooch on Jun 10, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The time has come for talent over solidiness
Johnson has far more upside, “God Gifted Talent”, than Battle does at this point in time. I think Battle is a solid receiver but he does not possess the qualities of being a #1 WR, and while Johnson has yet to show it, he does have the potential to be one. I think it comes down to this, who can handle a guy like Champ Bailey?
Battle would have a hard time because he does not have the speed to pass him, nor the height/leaping ability to catch over him, and while he may get a few catches he would never bust out for a huge gain catch or have yards after the catch. Johnson however has the top end speed, the jumping ability/height, and has a greater chance of catching a Hail Mary touchdown pass. I’m not saying that he will, but he has the potential too. I would give Battle a 3% chance and Johnson a 15% chance.
When it comes down to it, the 49ers are a team of hope. It’s been like this for a while now but this year especially.
We hope Johnson can turn out to be the answer for us
We hope Issac Bruce can still produce for the 49ers
We hope we will have a starting QB for years to come after this season
We hope Manny Lawson can stay healthy
We hope our O-line will hold and be good enough to handle a Mike Martz offense
We hope Mike Martz will revitalize this offense (and hopefully stay on for more than just 1 year)
We hope Larry Allen will re-sign
We hope that Takeo Spikes/Barry Sims will sign with us
We hope Balmer isn’t just a one year wonder
We hope the 49ers will solve their stadium issues while still keeping their name
We hope the York’s are not planning on selling the team (At least I am)
Mike Nolan hope’s he won’t be fired
We all hope for the 49ers to be a Super Bowl contending team again!!!
But like I said, we’ve been hoping for a long time and so far the gods have not shown favor. I personally hope that this year we strip away all of this “we hope” junk and become a team of “we will”.
Next year will be our year! (copyright 2003*, been used each of last five years)
by StrictlyFootball on Jun 10, 2008 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
... at least you’re hoping that will happen! I think a lot of people, including myself, expect the team to improve this year, but not to the extent where the team will have no question marks. Alex Smith, unless he improves to become some Pro Bowl QB incarnate, will still have question marks looming over him. If the team improves, there will be questions about Martz’ commitment to the team. Mike Nolan may still be on the hot seat.
I think the “we hope Lawson can stay healthy” part was a bit, premature. It’s not like he’s chronically injured. He had a ACL tear, a freak accident, or otherwise he’d have been healthy his first two seasons.
I sure as heck hope Larry Allen doesn’t return. It’ll just bump off the roster or into an unfamiliar spot, like Rachal. I REALLY hope Spikes doesn’t sign unless it’s for an guaranteed contract (read: no signing bonus, just performance ones), which isn’t going to happen.
This is the first time I’ve seen someone outwardly (at least to my recollection) state that they don’t want the Yorks to sell. I, too, am in this camp, and I think they’re fully capable of running this team and getting that new stadium. They’ve grown as owners of an NFL team since they’ve taken over, and I think they’re doing pretty well right now (in terms of not doing anything to the detriment of the team), at least in my opinion.
by sfgfan on Jun 11, 2008 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's this "we" you speak of?
We hope Larry Allen will re-sign
We hope that Takeo Spikes/Barry Sims will sign with us
Sims, maybe. But Allen is dead and gone, and Takeo Spikes is meh and getting worse. Those guys really have no place here.
by shlecko on Jun 13, 2008 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 13, 2008 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strictly Football, Here's My List (my changes/additions in high case letters)
When it comes down to it, the 49ers are a team of the DECADE. It’s been like this for a while now but this year especially.
We hope BRUCE can turn out to be the answer for us
We hope ALEX SMITH can still produce for the 49ers
We hope we will have an OFFENSIVE STARTING UNIT for years to come after this season
We hope ALEX SMITH can stay healthy
We hope our O-line will MESH WITH A STRONG DEFENSE AS A TEAM
We hope Mike Martz will BURY LAST YEAR’S OFFENSIVE STATS
We hope Larry Allen will COME BACK STRONGER THAN THE HULK
We hope that Takeo Spikes/Barry Sims will sign with us AFTER HELICOPTER RIDES
We hope Balmer isn’t just a one year wonder OR HE HAS TO START SELLING BALM FOR OUR HANDS THAT CLENCHES IN FRUSTRATION
We hope the 49ers will STAY WHEREVER IN THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA. PERIOD.
We hope the Yorks are not planning on selling the team (AT LEAST EDDIE DEBARTOLO IS)
Mike Nolan KNOWS HE WILL BE FIRED IF THE 49ERS DON’T KICK UP DIRT THIS YEAR
We KNOW THE 49ers ARE a Super Bowl contending team again!!!
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 17, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back to DeBartolo from the Yorks?
Word around the grapevine is that Eddie DeBartolo is thinking about buying the St. Louis Rams. If the Yorks ever sell, I’d prefer for DeBartolo to be the buyer. Keep it in the family!
By the way, the Yorks are doing a good job. I’d prefer they don’t sell, but if they do, keep it in the family! Eddie, Eddie, Eddie (chanting)...!!!
But if some other buyer steps in inoblivious to the 49er’s winning tradition, the Yorks are by far the best ownership suited for the 49ers, I really believe the Yorks want the Niners to go all the way.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 11, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Never going to happen.
It’s very unlikely that the Yorks will sell back to DeBartolo. Just too much fuss and headache for the two siblings to go through. Eddie will look for a discount (I think the Yorks were given the team, no?), and I highly doubt that John will be willing to cut him that big of a deal.
by sfgfan on Jun 11, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Family and Fuss
In the middle of all the fuss, never know what is going to happen. I back the Yorks all the way, and if ownership changes in the future, I hope it’s Eddie. Although I agree it may never happen.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 12, 2008 10:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I like Arnaz Battle and all…but I kind of hope that he doesn’t get much playing time at all this year. Primarily because I’d rather see Johnson getting a shot, but also because I think the 49ers would be a lot better off with some 2WR/2TE/1RB or 2WR/1TE/2RB sets than they would with anything that might send out 3WRs.
It’s obvious that our strength is going to be the run, and the 3WR sets aren’t known for their run-blocking schemes. Plus, Delanie Walker showed last year that he has some upside of his own, and the addition of Deshaun Foster (who is also a threat to catch the ball out of the backfield) means that it just wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense to have three of those guys out on the field.
In my opinion, Battle’s only real shot is to beat out Johnson for the #2 spot early and hang on to it – and if that were to happen, then we’d be under real heavy criticism for our WR free agent selections … holding what would essentially be overpaid, dead weight in Johnson and Lelie: a couple guys reeling in hefty paychecks for doing little more than the practice squad players. Djax and Antiono Bryant don’t make us look like prime WR scouts, either…so I’d like to see at least ONE of the guys we bring in do something.
by shlecko on Jun 13, 2008 2:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WRs
I think for $4M, Lelie was worth the attempt at “reclaimation project.” He’s a very talented individual who lacked technique and polish. I remember reading that when he first came in, Sullivan basically told him to erase everything he’s learned up until that point and start over.
Likewise, I think Johnson was worth the one-year flier as well. Like Lelie, he’s a very talented guy who, for whatever reason, just never panned out. Sullivan will probably do much the same with him as he’s doing with Lelie, except Johnson may be further along already.
None of the free agent WRs the 49ers have signed really signed big deals. Their contracts never really exceeded $2M a year, which is what you’d expect a #2 or #3 to make in this league (if not more for a #2). I think they found talented players that had rough edges and tried to smooth them out. So far it hasn’t worked, but I wouldn’t really say it’s THAT negative of a thing.
by sfgfan on Jun 13, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best of luck to Johnson...
Except twice a year when he plays the Cards of course.
Johnson seemed to do well on 3rd down conversions when Boldin and Fitz were in solid coverage. I wouldn’t want to depend on him in a high profile game winning situation though. A couple of wide-open dropped endzone catches have left that scar on my memory. I think he will always be more of a #3 than a #2.
I tend to agree with cgolden above that Johnson never stepped it up when given the chance. For example, one game last season where Fitz & Boldin were both limited to injury I picked him up off the waivers for fantasy league. He dissappointed with just several catches, and meanwhile #4 Jeherme Urban got like 130 yards or something like that. Go figure.
Can’t wait to play you guys in September!
by AJ BirdWatcher on Jun 16, 2008 5:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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