Will Barry Sims end up with the 49ers?
Barry Sims met with the 49ers brass yesterday and continues a brief NFL tour that includes the New England Patriots, Baltimore Ravens and St. Louis Rams. I'd certainly have preferred that Sims have visited Santa Clara and quickly signed with the team. Unfortunately that is not the case and we get a little competition for his services. The question becomes who has the best shot of landing him and where does he actually end up. I had thought about a poll but I'd rather just hear the reasons why people think he'll end up in a given location. So I thought I'd put together a breakdown of the different situations, helped in great part by Maiocco's article linked above. Most guys in the league are motivated by either a big paycheck, significant playing time or both. Let's see what each situation brings to the table. I was going to look at the salary cap situation for each team, but I'm struggling to find that information. Google searches revealed May updates by John Clayton of each team's status but I can't find it for 2008. If anybody can find that information, it would certainly be useful for potentially knocking out a team that lacks the kind of space the 49ers should still have.
San Francisco 49ers: Joe Staley and Jonas Jennings are slotted in as the tackles.
Beyond that, the team certainly has some issues, particularly considering Jennings' injury history. The current backups are Damane Duckett and Chilo Rachal, a man who hasn't played the tackle position full time since high school. They've got an assortment of bodies that could move over to the tackle position, but it's not exactly a stable backup situation. Nonetheless, the 49ers offensive line situation has been discussed ad nauseum so we'll move on to the other teams in contention.
New England Patriots: The Patriots are a team you usually don't want to be competing against for free agents. They've become the premier franchise in the league and can sell many free agents on that winning atmosphere. Their current tackles are Matt Light and Nick Kaczur. Maiocco indicated Kaczur could be face disciplinary action following a recent drug possession charge. Kaczur's backup is former Cal lineman Ryan O'Callaghan and he seemed to do ok his first couple years in the league. Kaczur and O'Callaghan are both young guys, whereas Sims is 33. While I could see the Patriots bringing in Sims to push O'Callaghan, I'm not sure they would view him as anything more than a stopgap until Kaczur's problems are cleared up.
Baltimore Ravens: Jonathan Ogden is contemplating retirement, which would certainly be quite a blow to their offensive line. Baltimore Beatdown thought he'd return for another year back in January, but doesn't seem quite as sure now. If he does, it sounds like Adam Terry and Jared Gaither are the two main competitors for that left tackle spot opposite Marshall Yanda. Neither Gaither or Terry has a lot of experience and a veteran like Sims could be brought in to both work with them and push them for a starting spot. If the Ravens don't feel either guy is ready to be a starter, Sims could easily be pushed in. Sims has spent quite a bit of time at left tackle so he could certainly fit in there quite well.
St. Louis Rams: Simply put, the Rams have had some offensive line issues in the recent past. Orlando Pace has had injury issues and while Alex Barron is certainly a decent option at right tackle, they have a considerable lack of depth behind those two. If Pace can stay healthy he's still got plenty left in the tank, but the injuries are definitely something for the Rams to worry about. Unless Sims beat out Barron for a job, it seems like Sims would simply be an insurance policy against a Pace injury.
So where do I think he ends up after all this? I think the Ravens are a very real possibility. Jonathan Ogden seems to be leaning towards retirement and I could certainly see Sims getting a very good chance to win the left tackle job for now. He wouldn't be a long term answer for them, but he could prove a solid mentor to Gaither and Terry. Aside from the Ravens I do see the 49ers as a legitimate possibility. I do believe there is a possibility Jennings is not with the 49ers by the end of training camp. He is immensely talented and immensely fragile. Sims could be a short term solution considering he has not had major injury issues. While the Patriots can always seem to convince free agents of the allure of Foxboro, I would imagine they'd stick with the young guys, particularly since any discipline of Kaczur would not be all that long.
So, if I had to handicap this race I'd say:
1. Ravens
2. 49ers
3. Patriots
4. Rams
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Barry Sims a 49er?
It would be a nice jump across the bay for Barry Sims, if he decides to sign with the 49ers, I personally am enticed with the thought of Barry Sims on our roster. He’s a good, solid player, a consistent performer. I hope Sims saw the writing on the walls that we are aiming for the playoffs. I think he wants to win, judging from the fact he has included the New England Patriots, Baltimore Ravens and St. Louis Rams on his NFL tour, those teams have chances to go the playoffs, if not the Super Bowl.
I would have liked to see Sims sign as fast as Justin Smith did with the 49ers, maybe we should have taken Sims on a helicopter tour of the SF bay area over the Golden Gate Bridge. Maybe hire a plane flying a banner that says, “We Want You, Barry Sims,” while he watches. Put him in a Limousine and whisk him away to Sonoma, to one of those wineries, wine and dine him, and sign him on the spot.
At least, that is what I would have done. I would find out what kind of cheese he likes, too, to go with the wine.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Jun 10, 2008 8:07 PM PDT
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Rams... really?
I think that of the four teams he’s interested in, the only team with a legitimate shot at playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl, would be the Patriots. The Ravens are still half a team, hardly. The Rams, they have a ton of question marks, much like the 49ers do.
Sims isn’t really more than a stop-gap offensive tackle. He’d be best relegated to backing up at RT with Jennings sliding to LT if Staley gets hurt. I wouldn’t take him on some kind of helicopter ride, not for a backup. That’d be sending the wrong message to the rest of the team who wouldn’t get treated to such a thing, such as the starters?
by sfgfan on
Jun 11, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
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Lock Up the Roster
A helicopter ride might be necessary to lock up the roster for the 2008 season and get it underway. If it sends the wrong message to the rest of the team, that would weed out the players that have too much ego that gets in the way of playing like a championship team.
A championship team plays as a unit, not individuals with egos.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Jun 11, 2008 9:29 AM PDT
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Please
It’s not about egos. It’s about treating players with respect that deserve it. If you busted your butt (i.e. Staley) to get where you are, wouldn’t you be upset if some exiled, old, and potentially useless, lineman was treated as if he was some sort of deity? I sure as heck would.
Besides, how the heck does signing Sims really “lock up” the roster? He’s going to become a has-been-now-turned-journeyman who has been exiled by one team (“salary move” be damned), and turned down by, possibly, at least 30 other teams. He’ll offer depth, sure, but that’s a far cry from “locking up” the roster. That’s not to mention the fact that he’ll probably only get a one-year deal, not dissimilar from Bryant Johnson.
by sfgfan on
Jun 11, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
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The Sooner, the Better
What I was referring to in regards to locking up the roster, I am not talking about lengths of contracts, whether it’s a one-year contract or a long-term contract. I am talking about the team as an unit gelling together, learning the offensive and defensive schemes, and for the team to be ready to go. I personally have a pet peeve with hold-outs over contracts because it kinds of stalls certain things like a domino effect, causing others to be out of whack when we step in just before the season starts and force players and coaches to fill in what was learned at the OTAs and training camps.
In pro football, we all have 6’3” 315 pounders, even in college football, but it’s about being on the same page and having the same understanding amongst each other that makes everything work out, for a strong start early in the season.
Former 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo treated lavishly ALL of the players, whether a pro bowler or an old, exiled free agent who are basically has-beens, he treats all players the same and inspired motivation to the players. I would treat Sims the same way I do Justin Smith, because they both are on the same team and both are in it for one reason:
To reach the Super Bowl and win it, and go to Disneyland.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Jun 11, 2008 2:29 PM PDT
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Two different eras.
The way DeBartolo ran the team is not the way a team can be run now-a-days. It just doesn’t work. DeBartolo didn’t treat his players lavishly because he was treating them to extra things, he was also paying them, pretty much, whenever they’d as for it. You can’t do that now-a-days, and it’ll never be like that ever again.
On the flip side, I have no problem with contractual holdouts if the player is a free agent. He deserves to find himself the best situation he’s in and the team deserves the choice to decide how much they want to pay him. Like I said, it’s not like Sim’s is going to be a starter, so him missing time will just allow guys like Rachal, Duckett, and Wragge, people who may actually end up on the team, a chance to get on the practice field more.
by sfgfan on
Jun 12, 2008 9:01 AM PDT
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DeBartolo
To clarify things, it still can be run now-a-days if DeBartolo wishes to, the other owners just don’t do that including the Yorks. I am not aware of an owner that is in the prototype of Eddie DeBartolo, but once he is back, I don’t think he will have changed. He paid salaries as all owners do, but that is not the point. He treated them lavishly with incentives, like bringing their families to road trips, taking care of them, and to this day his players remain loyal to him, as a result.
Of course I don’t hold it personally against contractual holdouts, of course, I know their reasons, but it’s just the distraction that makes me take a deep breath. I mean, they make millions of dollars already, and I may never have that kind of money, and what, they want more moolah. Sometimes I just don’t get it. It’s a cut-throat business. Pay me or I don’t play. You know?
Some of the best ever to play in this game like a Jim Brown, never made even a fraction of what the worse players make now in his heyday. I’m like, “come on.” But still, with all the training, the travelling away from their families and the emotional expense that comes with it, I guess the monetary compensation makes up for it and they want their kids set up for life, and their grandchildren, too.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Jun 12, 2008 10:14 PM PDT
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I disagree
I really don’t think an NFL team can be run the way DeBartolo ran things. There’s a reason the 49ers fell apart after he left, and it’s not because they lost a very good owner. If you want my opinion, he left the team a mess. The front office was screwed up. The coaching was screwed up. The kicker? The entire salary structure (and as a result, the cap figure) were all screwed up. Money isn’t as readily available to NFL owners as they used to be. Anything that wants to be given now would probably be in the best interest of BOTH parties (i.e. owner/team and the player) to write it into the contract. Incentives, especially.
The 49ers, outside of monetary stuff, still do take care of their players (and coaches). When a player suffers a family issue, the team is right behind them. The team doesn’t disclose the matter unless the player wants it to be disclosed (i.e. “personal reasons”). I really think the 49ers still run the team well, contrary to all the York haters out there.
by sfgfan on
Jun 13, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
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Love Amidst a Mess and Normal Team Operations
First of all, sfgfan, isn’t it a puzzle why players remain fiercely loyal and closely in touch with Eddie DeBartolo if he left the 49ers a “mess.” DeBartolo put everything into the 49ers to make them a dynasty, a historic triumph.
Secondly, all teams, outside of monetary stuff, takes care of their players and coaches with family issues, all teams will be right behind them. No team will disclose a matter that is kept confidential for personal reasons, of course, unless that player has violated certain team rules that leaks out to the public for obvious reasons.
I am not a York hater. I back York 100%. Although the Yorks don’t carry as much flair as DeBartolo did, the Yorks are the best ownership option since the former DeBartolo. The Yorks do know their business, it took a few years, but all pieces fell into place.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Jun 16, 2008 6:33 AM PDT
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Team vs. players
Leaving the team in shambles has nothing to do with how much his ex-players love him. Of course they love him. They got everything taken care of, and most importantly, they got paid. The 49ers were running 80MPH toward a brick wall near the end of the old ownership regime, and the new ownership took the brunt of the punishment for it.
by sfgfan on
Jun 16, 2008 9:24 AM PDT
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Brick Walls and Fast Cars
It was worth the run to the brick walls. We have to win at all costs, yes? Sometimes new ownership have to come in and clean up the whole mess but they have one advantage: The 49ers headquarters has 5 Super Bowl trophies to show off. Talk about brick walls!
Punishment? Hawking 5 SB trophies is punishment enough, I guess.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Jun 17, 2008 8:14 AM PDT
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