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Is Bryant Young a Hall of Fame player?

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While Bryant Young is only recently retired, it's never too early to discuss his Hall of Fame candidacy.  Players have to wait five years after retirement before they're eligible to be on the ballot.  earlier today, Maiocco pointed out the guys who won't be back in 2009 and it is quite an impressive list: BY, Brett Favre, Michael Strahan, Warren Sapp, Steve McNair and probably Jonathan Ogden and of course Larry Allen.  Favre, Strahan, Allen and Ogden are likely locks.  I like McNair but am not sold on him as a Hall of Fame QB.  Sapp made quite an impact, but I personally think he is a borderline candidate.  That leaves us with Bryant Young.

Let's get the obvious stuff out of the way: We all love Bryant Young.  He was as classy a player as there has ever been and I don't know of anybody who doesn't like him.  If I could have it my way he'd be a Hall of Famer and that's that. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.  It's not the Hall of Nice Guys, but rather the Hall of Fame.  I definitely think being a nice guy ,might bump him over for voters who are on the fence.  However, it takes a little more than that to get to that point.  So has Bryant Young done enough to merit induction?

If you went strictly by the statistics he'd be borderline because he didn't accumulate the gaudy stats you see from many Hall of Fame players.  The problem with that sort of analysis is that BY's impact went beyond just high sack totals.  For defensive linemen, the sack is probably the most relevant among the counting stats.  For defensive tackles, the positional demands are going to lead to lower sack totals.  Young was always a pass rush threat, but just as importantly, he was a great run stopper.  Furthermore, other teams realized how good he was and that led to many double teams.  1997 is a perfect example of this.  Dana Stubblefield finished with 15 sacks, was defensive player of the year and walked away with a huge contract from the Redskins.  I still contend Bryant Young should have received commission on that deal because he was a primary reason Stubblefield had so many clear shots at the quarterback.  Young quietly went about his business and outside of the Bay Area, not much was said about that.  That's great for team chemistry, but for a player trying to make a name for yourself, not so much.  Of course, we know this was not an issue for BY and we all appreciate that.  Unfortunately it might hurt his Hall candidacy.  A writer from Jacksonville might look at him and think he was a good guy and a solid player, but not enough of an impact player.

Along those same lines is the team's for which he played.  Young was on some quality teams early in his career, but he was on some god-awful teams in the last few years.  It would be interesting to see whether that is held against him.  On the flip-side, you could argue that should be a point in his favor as he was still quite productive even though teams knew he was the only real weapon along the line.

I was going to try and compare Young with current Hall of Fame defensive linemen, but that is not as simple as it would first appear.  The NFL did not start keeping track of sacks until 1982 and so there are a lot of guys not listed on the career list.  Additionally, Bryant Young was a big time run stopper who was not always the team was looking to for the sack, so it wouldn't even be fair to compare sack numbers.  Warren Sapp will be eligible the same year and he finished with 96.5 sacks, 7 ahead of Young in one less season.  However, Sapp was considered a pass rusher first, so it was his job to get those sacks.  I think it's fairly reasonable to argue that if Sapp gets in, then Young should as well.

I did a little research and came across the rules for selection into the NFL Hall of Fame.  After coming up with preliminary lists, there is a vote reducing the total to 25 Modern Era semifinalists.  There is then a vote by the selection committee lowering that number to 15 Modern Era nominees.  There is then a vote to reduce the 15 nominees to 10, followed by a vote reducing that number to 5.  The 5 remaining individuals are then voted on individually.  Each of the five will enter the Hall of Fame if they receive at least 80% of the vote.

I can honestly say I really don't know if BY gets in.  I'm a believer in you either are a Hall of Famer or you are not.  In all sports, voters talk about how they decided that while the first five times they voted, a certain player was not a Hall of Famer, they finally decided he was deserving.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it's just not the way I think.  So I've thrown up a poll asking whether you think Young will make it in.  It's not asking if you think he SHOULD get in.  Simply whether it will happen or not.

Poll
WILL Bryant Young get in to the Hall of Fame?
Yes, on the first ballot
68 votes
Yes, on a later ballot
134 votes
Yes, by the "Senior Committee"
16 votes
No
30 votes

248 votes | Poll has closed

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If Larry Allen doesn’t return this year then he will be up for Hall Of Fame nods as well. He is a guy who certainly could be a first ballot Famer.

Next year will be our year! (copyright 2003*, been used each of last five years)

by StrictlyFootball on Jun 11, 2008 3:28 AM PDT   0 recs

Hulk Hogan By the Throat

Larry Allen probably can grab WWF’s Hulk Hogan’s throat and lift him up with his legs dangling..That’s how strong Allen was as a NFL football player. I hope he returns this year.

Simply said.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 11, 2008 5:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, Allen is pretty physically shot at this point. He’s still strong, but he’s also too fat for knees that have been carrying a really fat guy on them for years, so he has no mobility, no leverage, and no speed. He’s well past his glory days, and is probably not capable of starting for most teams in the league right now based on anything other than his reputation.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 12:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The WWF doesn’t exist anymore.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I Know

howtheyscored- I knew that but I prefer to call it WWF and for old time’s sake, it was when Hulk Hogan starred in wrestling. I don’t know why I always have to explain myself.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 11, 2008 10:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don’t know why I always have to explain myself.

I just like to be a pain, mostly. I’d recommend taking very few of the non-directly-football related things I say with any degree of seriousness. Sometimes my intent is clear and sometimes it doesn’t come through the typeface, but you can always assume with me.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 12:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

600 lb

bench press!! ridiculous

by sam23 on Jun 11, 2008 3:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

corrected

Completely forgot about big Larry. Thanks for the heads up.

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by Fooch on Jun 11, 2008 7:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bryant Young is a Hall of Famer

Bryant Young was one of the most consistent, the most resilent NFL football players I have ever come across to, a clubhouse leader, more so a leader on the field, he is a great player.

He should be a Hall of Famer and if not voted in the first try, he will be on a later ballot. Young has never disappointed me when I woke up each Monday to read the newspaper on all NFL stories in the aftermath of Sunday NFL football games. There were countless news articles about how Bryant Young was disruptive to the offensive line, pressuring the quarterback, the tackles he made, the sacks, and so forth…he never fell short of the measuring stick.

I met BY once at Circuit City in San Mateo, the old Circuit City on El Camino Real before it moved to it’s new location on Concar Drive. He looked so chiseled, all rock muscle and zero body fat, dressed so crisply, clothes clinging on to his body so that his muscles would pop out. I instantly recognized him, and introduced myself and shook his hands feeling a grip so strong. He was by no means a puny defensive end, but a nearly perfect human specimen. I was impressed. I instantly knew I had light years to go to match his physical prowess.

Not only that, he was a very intelligent player. I am sure, throughout his 49er career in the NFL, he has never said “ummm.”

Everything just clicked for him, pounding away, throwing people off their blocks.

That’s a Hall of Famer.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 11, 2008 4:29 AM PDT   0 recs

“Ummm” is not a sign of stupidity. At worst, It’s a vocal crutch for uncomfortable speakers.

It can be annoying, but it says less than nothing about a person’s intelligence.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 12:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Like I didn't Know That?

I know “ummm” is a sign of one being uncomfortable vocally or thinking too much. That dude BY was no means lost in thought ever. He knew exactly what he was doing and had to do. Intelligent people are usually very articulate people. I never referred to stupidity, hope this clarifies. Sigh.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 11, 2008 11:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry for the trouble. I’m really not trying to nit-pick every single thing.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 12, 2008 12:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Umm, guys I don’t think this is the, umm, point of the argument. Umm, I think BY should be in but when you look at how long it took some guys to get in, I worry that umm it is going to take some time.

Tom will never be as cool as Joe

by wader251 on Jun 12, 2008 7:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Umm, True..

Umm, I hope we grow old while it takes some time for BY to get in, and umm, I hope we get to keep all our teeth meanwhile we are waiting AND don’t need toupees, and umm, if BY doesn’t make it to the HOF, maybe there can be BY sightings like Elvis sightings in Canton, Ohio.

And umm, I have teeth and full hair, by the way. And umm, I was supposed to be the quarterback on the middle school flag football team, but the coach, even though I was the most deadly accurate quarterback candidate on the team, left me as WR and RB instead, because I was ummm, DEAF. The hearing QB that was second fiddle to me ended up handing off to me most of the time, because he knew he couldn’t throw as good as me..

And umm, that was no surprise.

(Further expounding of my flag football story: When the coach decided I was not to be the starting quarterback because I was DEAF, the hearing teammates were shocked and all yelled to coach, lookie here coach, watch him throw the ball. They had me throw to all of them which I hit all without missing one, and the coach defiantly said, sorry guys, he is Deaf. I cannot communicate with a Deaf quarterback to implement game plans. I don’t care how good he is. All my teammates were stunned. They all shook their heads and said, “there goes our playoff chances.” That was in 1979/80 at Union Jr High in San Jose)

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 16, 2008 11:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Line of the day
I still contend Bryant Young should have received commission on that deal because he was a primary reason Stubblefield had so many clear shots at the quarterback.

Haha…this has to be the line of the day.

As to BY, yes, HOF.

What I will remember most about BY, as a fan from afar, is/was his loyalty to the team.

I was going to ramble on about how I wish he would come back for another season. And how he could bookend his career with Championships. I was gonna ramble on about how he could possibly amass a career sack total of 100…how he could team with Justin Smith, Pat Will, “Nasty” Nate “Lockdown” “I’m gonna strip you sucka” Clements (that’s right, 3 nicknames, take that Deion). But alas, this kind of wishful rambling gets a man nowhere, except to the the end of my post.

Good day.

Fooch, when the aliens land and say, "Take me to your leader," I'm taking them to you!

by jfainsf49 on Jun 11, 2008 6:56 AM PDT   0 recs

final 5

I think there’s a decent chance he doesn’t even make the final 5 on the first ballot. 4 spots will be taken up by Favre, Strahan, Allen and Ogden (if he retires). The fifth spot could be BY’s or it could go to a coach possibly, so no guarantees there.

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by Fooch on Jun 11, 2008 7:46 AM PDT   0 recs

McNair gets the fifth spot

I think McNair gets the fifth spot and only because he was a former MVP, but i still dont think McNair gets 80% of the vote. BY is a great player but I dont think hes getting in…So does anyone else know if there is anyone of note that would be available who didnt make the a ballot in years past??

by 49er4life on Jun 11, 2008 8:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

5 years from now

Remember that BY’s not eligible for 5 years so there may be guys in the next 4 years that could carry over to that ballot. So it’s hard to tell right now what the competition looks like.

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by Fooch on Jun 11, 2008 10:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think McNair is a HOFer

McNair was good but not consistent enough to get in. McNair was a co-MVP, but his career stats are a joke compared to the other QBs of his generation. McNair’s high for passing touchdowns in a season is only 24 and he only broke the 20 TD mark 3 times in his career. He never reached the 3,400 yard passing mark in any season and only broke 3,000 yards in 6 of his 14 seasons. Drew Bledsoe, in the same generation, threw for 13,000 yards and 70 TDs more than McNair, appeared in a Super Bowl and received a ring for another (playing a major role in the AFC championship game. I’m not arguing that Bledsoe is a HOFer but if he isn’t neither is McNair, Rich Gannon, Mark Brunnell etc.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jun 11, 2008 2:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’ve always thought that Drew Bledsoe’s level of play was pretty deeply underrated. Not a HOF, necessarily, but people talk about him like he wasn’t very good when he was, in fact, one of the more prolific and succesful passers of our generation.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 11, 2008 2:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

I would argue he was one of the last true pocket passers. Sort of the last of a dying breed. A guy like Manning is a pocket passer, but I think even he can move a little bit, whereas Bledsoe couldn’t move to save his life.

Bledsoe is 7th all time in passing yards, 13th in TDs and 5th in completions. While I don’t think he’s a Hall of Famer, he’s definitely a very underrated QB.

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by Fooch on Jun 11, 2008 3:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tangent: Brunell.

If only the guy wasn’t made of glass. I think he had all the chances to become a poor-man’s Steve Young. I’m not saying this because he was left-handed and wore #8. He is/was an intelligent QB who was fairly quick in the feet. He was able to ad-lib quite a bit from time to time. It’s too bad time to time came few and far in between due to his injuries. Even when he wasn’t missing games, he had a hard time being 100%.

by sfgfan on Jun 12, 2008 9:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Defensive Formation

I’ve always loved Young and think he deserves going to the HOF. Having said that, I checked his numbers and they aren’t all that impressive. Furthermore, in the last years of his career, he played in a 3-4 formation, which isn’t very helpful to DLs for getting stats…

by jello on Jun 11, 2008 8:57 AM PDT   0 recs

No

BY was a very good player but not an all time great player.

by methodrampage on Jun 11, 2008 11:17 AM PDT   0 recs

As disappointing as it is to admit...

... I think this is what it’ll boil down to.

by sfgfan on Jun 11, 2008 1:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love BY

and I’d love for him to get in…...but it aint gonna happen.

by sam23 on Jun 11, 2008 4:01 PM PDT   0 recs

BY an All Time 49er Great

He is an all time great player. If fans won’t recognize that, the fellow NFL players, from the 49ers and other teams, will recognize his greatness.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 11, 2008 10:58 PM PDT   0 recs

I think...

... it works the other way around. Fans are more likely to grow attached to the good-guy, does what he’s supposed to, keeps his mouth shut kind of player. The media and other NFL players have a lot more on their plates, and are more likely to miss things like that.

BY will be in the Bay Area Sports Hall of Fame, but it’s VERY likely he’s going to miss out on Canton.

by sfgfan on Jun 12, 2008 9:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

BY Not Hall of Famer? Why not?

I am kind of perplexed and astounded to hear from some fans of the perception that Bryant Young is not Canton-bound as a HOF.

Did you wake up in the mornings and read in the newspapers in the Mondays (or tuesdays) after every Sunday NFL games or Monday Night Football and see mention of BY’s name in it? How he disrupted offenses, deflected passes, made key plays, pressured the QB, things like that, wreaking havoc every game? BY has had a quiet game once in a while, but for the most part, we hear things what he has done.

And you think he will miss out on the Hall of Fame? Not everyone has to be a Reggie White to be in the HOF.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 12, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know about you...

... but BY wasn’t ALWAYS in the news after a game. That’s why people love him so much. He was a guy who didn’t do the flashy things (i.e. things that got into the news) but he did what he was asked to do. Especially more recently, when the team switched to a 3-4, he wasn’t able to get the flashy plays or sacks.

There’s a reason why people say sacks are blown way out of proportion, and it’s because no one keeps track of pressures. You don’t have to be the career sacks leader, but you do have to be on top of the game.

I’m not saying he’s NOT going to make it. I’m just saying, if you read back on all my posts in this thread, that it’s highly likely he may miss out it. Fans don’t get to vote, writers do, no? Most writers don’t know didly-squat about BY. Come voting time, they’ll do a Google search on him and end up with nothing more than “decent” stats and a fluffed up Bio on the 49ers web page. That information, or lack thereof, is why I think it’s possible he’ll miss out on the HOF.

by sfgfan on Jun 13, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Writers

You’d think writers don’t know squat about BY, much less NFL football, they should not be in the business. Googling time before voting time? If that’s true, the HOF vote should be re-named “The Google Vote.”

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 16, 2008 6:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hah.

In the bay area alone, there are more clueless writers working for newspapers than I care to read from. Look at the list of people who get to vote. There are some seriously flawed “journalists” on that list. Just because they write about the NFL, it does not mean they know about the entire league. If that were the case, then local beat writers like Matt Maiocco and Matt Barrows would be out of a job, because Len Pasquarelli won’t be useless because he knows it all.

Just because they get paid to write, it doesn’t mean they’re much of an authority. Sadly, the news (television AND print) fail to recognize this and let them stay in the business.

by sfgfan on Jun 16, 2008 9:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

His Comeback

I realize that this isn’t a consideration for the HOF but the fact that he came back to be a pro bowler after that terrible broken leg on Monday Night Football gives him extra points in my book. I can still see Norton’s helmet hitting his leg that night. I thought his career was over when I watched the repeated replays that night. All I could think was Theisman.

Tom will never be as cool as Joe

by wader251 on Jun 12, 2008 8:09 AM PDT   0 recs

For an unbiased view...

I was watching NFL Live on ESPN the other day and they listed all the guys who could possibly end up in this class. The guys on the show basically agreed all the guys mentioned above would make it, and only Strahan and BY would not be in on the first ballot. Obviously, what is said on ESPN doesn’t mean anything in itself, but I found it interesting - and a pleasant surprise - that members of the East coast-biased national media thought BY was a sure HOF-er.

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 12, 2008 4:24 PM PDT   0 recs

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