49ers Roster Bubble Watch: Jay Moore
After putting together a 53-man roster and practice squad projection, the next step is looking at the specific players that are battling for the final few spots on the 49ers roster. This first one is probably not as difficult a choice as some of the ones to come in the next few weeks. "My Boy" Jay Moore was drafted as a defensive end with the intention of moving him to outside linebacker. The experiment was cut short when Moore went down with a high ankle sprain that ended up putting him on injured reserve for the season. One could argue that was beneficial for Moore as he was able to spend the entire season learning what it takes to play outside linebacker. You never want to see a player lose a season to injury, but if it's going to happen, it might as well be when you're still learning to play a new position. You learn most on the field, but being able to observe has it's positives.
Way back in January of 2007 I got a scouting report on Moore from Corn Nation, the Nebraska blog for SB Nation. The big problem for Moore heading into the draft was his size. He was too small to be a traditional down lineman, but too big to be a linebacker. The 49ers picked him up with the intention of converting him to OLB, in part because he brought solid speed to the table. It's hard to make any predictions about his performance because his only NFL playing time was last preseason. Furthermore, we still don't have a complete idea of how he will contribute. Over at sf49ers.com, there was an article today in which they discussed the injury and what to expect this coming season. After looking this over, it sounds like he'll play a role somewhat similar to new 49er Justin Smith:
With the ankle healed, Moore shifted his focus from rehab to losing a good amount of weight to help him in his, “hybrid” role with the defense. As of the second week of OTA’s Moore has been lining up at outside linebacker and has also been in a four-point stance as a defensive end in the 49ers 4-3 alignment. His combination of size and speed has also been utilized on the punt team.
I don't know if it's accurate to say he is being groomed as a poor man's Justin Smith. However, Smith has been lining up an awful lot at outside linebacker, and Mike Nolan has discussed the plan to move Smith back and forth between defensive end and outside linebacker. Smith is a more natural fit at the end position, but is athletic enough to make a big impact at outside linebacker. The question is how Jay Moore perform in a similar role? Going into the OTAs I would have guessed Smith would spend most of his time at DE and mix in some OLB, while Moore would be the opposite. Now, Smith could very well be the starting OLB leaving Moore, TBC and Parys Haralson battling for playing time behind him and Lawson.
However, back to the bubble battle. I think the only reason it's even a little questionable if Moore will make the roster is because of all the time Smith is getting at outside linebacker. However, while contracts can certainly be voided, I don't see why you'd give Moore a 4-year deal if you didn't think he could make some sort of impact. One could argue for a linebacker like Roderick Green or Dennis Haley since they're both only two years older than Moore. However, I think Moore brings a little more upside to the table as far as the hybrid role he could fill. Part of it is my own irrational bias towards Moore. Either way, it could make for an interesting battle through training camp. While I think Moore is relatively safe to make the roster, I think Green and Haley are two of the primary guys he's battling for a spot.
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Moore
I think it will be Moore, because Roderick Green, while a somewhat proven pass rusher and a “Nolan Guy”, has already proven to be a replaceable part—if I’m not mistaken, two years in a row the Niners have been able to sign him during the season (once after he was cut by Baltimore, once after we’d cut him ourselves). There’s reason to believe no one would grab him this year, or that if they did, he wouldn’t be much better than whatever else is floating around out there.
Moore, on the other hand, while still a largely unknown commodity, has at least some perceived value simply because he decent college player who hasn’t had a chance to show what he’s got yet, and would likely be picked up. If he shows any skills at all at OLB, the team will probably be more motivated to keep him around because it’s more an investment in the future than a stop-gap.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 13, 2008 3:25 AM PDT 0 recs
I agree with this.
Even if he’s only a stop-gap or a career backup, I’d like to find out what he has this year, rather than play someone the team already knows what they’re getting with.
by sfgfan on
Jun 13, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
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At least the team will be marginally funnier.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2008 2:18 PM PDT 0 recs
I know I’m not the only one who makes this connection.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Jun 14, 2008 1:15 AM PDT
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Jay Moore
I strongly believe that Jay Moore will evolve into a very good OLB for the Niners. He has the size,speed, and motor to accomplish this. He had a very nice career at Nebraska. I don’t have to remind anybody that, with one glaring exception, the relationship between the Big Red and the 49ers has been a fruitful one.
In my senior year in high school football I suffered a high ankle sprain similar to the one that Moore experienced and it took all of a year to recover. My point being that with this last year to learn the new position he will be VERY ready to get out there and hit somebody come that first preseason game.
I am looking forward to following his career.
by mikemccwolf on Jun 13, 2008 6:33 PM PDT 0 recs
Instant Result Or Groom In The Making
Roderick provides instant pressure to QB, but Moore is a project we have to bring along since his return from his ankle injury.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 13, 2008 10:25 PM PDT 0 recs
"Roderick provides instant pressure to QB"
Really? Seriously? 4 tackles and 2 sacks, instant pressure? I think not.
by methodrampage on
Jun 14, 2008 7:30 PM PDT
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I've Been Waiting for This, Buddy
Method, you’re feeding me a huge fish! I have been waiting for this! You said really, Roderick only had 2 sacks. Instant pressure?
Now let’s hear this: Justin Smith only last year had TWO SACKS. Please echo to all of us for how much Justin Smith was signed to a contract, was it $45 Million?
I guess $45 million provides instant pressure. Pressurize my bank to plead for me as their customer, if I had a $45 million dollar check to deposit. That’s instant pressure to me!
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Jun 15, 2008 7:36 PM PDT
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Rod Green vs Justin Smith.
Justin Smith, while he failed to get sacks last year, was capable of generating pressure. Green? Not so much.
Justin Smith, if he fails at playing OLB, he can be a VERY good 3-4 DE. Green? Not so much.
Please don’t compare the two again.
by sfgfan on
Jun 16, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
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This is not to mention...
... Smith SHOULD be playing 3-4 DE. Two sacks from a 3-4 isn’t that big of a deal. Two sacks from someone who is put in the POSITION TO PRESSURE the QB (i.e. OLB in the 3-4 or DE in the nickel/dime sets) IS a big deal.
by sfgfan on
Jun 16, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
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THAT was your ace in the hole? Well played…
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on
Jun 16, 2008 10:50 AM PDT
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Please tell where I said Smith would provide instant pressure
by methodrampage on
Jun 16, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
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Precision, Method(ically)
Method, you questioned whether Roderick Green would provide instant pressure, citing his 4 tackles and 2 sacks..so I compared Justin’s stats of 2 sacks. I didn’t say you said Smith would provide instant pressure, where did I say that?
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Jun 16, 2008 6:45 PM PDT
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Inferrences...
The structure of your comment made it sound like you were imferring: “if Justin Smith gets to make the team with only two sacks last year, so should Green.” Basically, it reads that you were comparing Smith to Green, basically inferring he should be providing instant pressure because of his contract.
by sfgfan on
Jun 16, 2008 9:26 PM PDT
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Without that inferrence
His comment makes even less sense than it does with.
by methodrampage on
Jun 17, 2008 8:53 AM PDT
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Instant Pressure Issue
Smith’s contact only indicates they believe he will provide instant pressure, even if his stats in regards to sacks are identical to Green’s. The difference maker that sealed Smith’s contract was the fact he had approximately 74 more tackles that Green’s, who had only 4. That might be the clincher, Smith can tackle well and has potential to return to his potential of registering 10-plus sacks.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 16, 2008 9:33 PM PDT 0 recs
Typo
My recent comment above “Smith’s contact” was mispelled. It should be Smith’s contract…
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Jun 16, 2008 9:42 PM PDT
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So your really think Smith are Green (despite playing different positions) are in the same echelon of the 49ers defensive hierarchy?
I don’t at all think that Smith was signed to provide “instant pressure”. He’s never been an elite pass rusher but he has been very good against the run, something that is pinnacle for 3-4 DE. I know Smith is a little small for your typical 3-4 DE but I believe his skills against the run will make if a solid addition.
by methodrampage on
Jun 17, 2008 8:51 AM PDT
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The Rushing 5
I like the idea of 5 people who can team up to rush the passer, which are:
Justin Smith, Roderick Green, Brandon Moore, Manny Lawson, and Tully Banta-Cain. Opposing quarterbacks are in trouble in 2008 because all have registered 2 sacks or more last year and the previous year. Additionally I hope one of these players register 5 or more sacks so the rest of those players can roam around freely attacking offenses like sharks tasting blood.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 16, 2008 9:53 PM PDT 0 recs
You still don't get it...
Justin Smith is not here to be a source of QB pressure. I happen to think Parys Haralson is (or will be this year) a better pass rusher than Roderick Green and Tully Banta-Cain. That’s not saying much about Haralson, but it says enough about Banta-Cain and Green. They both… are unterrific.
by sfgfan on
Jun 17, 2008 9:15 AM PDT
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Wow, I really hope we never see those 5 on the field together. Nevermind that Green, Lawson, and TBC are all OLB’s, you have 4 LB’s on the field and no Patrick Willis. WTF?
Neglectful father of David Quinowski
by marcello on
Jun 17, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
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Offensive Penetration and Defensive Pressure
This year the offense is going to penetrate defenses and our defense will instantly pressurize opposing offenses.
It’s not about names, it’s about the team as a whole, an unit on one page, with the best 11 players going in to menace teams the entire 4 quarters.
That’s four hot dogs for me, one for each quarter. It’s not going to be a boring year in 2008.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 17, 2008 9:53 AM PDT 0 recs
Hmmm.
Four hot dogs a week for 20 weeks. You’ll be lucky if you survive through the playoffs.
by sfgfan on
Jun 17, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
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Don't Forget...
Four hot dogs a week for 20 weeks…don’t forget I have a wife and two kids to feed to, too.
Plus I lift weights. Digesting one hot dog per quarter is better than cramming up all four hot dogs in one sitting.
Right?
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 19, 2008 6:55 AM PDT 0 recs
















