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49ers Roster Bubble Watch: Josh Morgan

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Now that Mike Martz is running the offense, the wide receivers will certainly play a bigger role and more talented receivers will be necessary (thank you Captain Obvious).  After the top 3 of Battle, Bruce and Johnson, the team has an assortment of knick-knacks, each of which has a different set of fans.  Although nothing is guaranteed, I'd imagine Jason Hill and Ashley Lelie are pretty much assured of roster spots, barring injury.  That leaves 2008 draftee Josh Morgan and guys like Dominique Ziegler, Robert Jordan and Cam Colvin (among others) competing for a roster spot that might not even be there.  I'll discuss the roster futures of those last three later, but for now we'll talk about former Hokie Josh Morgan.

There's been a decent amount of press around Morgan during OTAs, as he appears to be putting on quite a little show in practice.  He's made some nice catches and is getting good press from Nolan.  Maiocco is doing a feature involving 5 questions posed to new 49ers.  Here's his piece with Morgan.  For Morgan, it is not necessarily a matter of competing for a wide receiver position.  The five wide receivers mentioned above are more or less locked in to roster spots.  It's a matter of whether the 49ers think he can make a contribution, as compared to anybody else at any position.  He will actually be competing with guys like Marcus Hudson, Thomas Clayton, Melvin Oliver and Roderick Green (among many others) for a roster spot.

It's easy to get excited about big practice performers (also known as the Brandon Williams club).  However, scouting reports would indicate Morgan is a guy who will definitely bring something to the table:

Morgan was overshadowed at Virginia Tech by Eddie Royal, but early in their careers Morgan was the better overall player. What he lacks in elite speed, he makes up for with good size and quickness. He will get in and out of his breaks quickly, with little wasted movement. In the Mike Martz scheme he will be asked to run inside routes based on timing. Morgan can do this, showing the ability to make the quick cut on his outside foot when running the slant. Morgan must get better at catching every pass, as he has shown some inconsistencies.

While he certainly has some apparent weaknesses, Morgan is definitely in a good learning environment with a guy like Isaac Bruce to emulate.  Maiocco asked him about working with Bruce:

Instant 49ers: Is [Bruce] approachable?

Morgan: He's very approachable. He's down to earth. He talked to me a couple times when I first got here at the minicamp. He saw the coach getting on me. I just got there and didn't know the plays and the coaches wanted me to just go full speed. He came to me and said he saw me working and told me to keep working hard and that I looked good. Those comments took the load off my shoulders. For someone like him to tell me I was OK and to keep working hard meant a lot. He told me to get in the playbook and keep working hard. That's what I'm doing so far.

It is certainly great to have a guy like Isaac Bruce on the roster to help the young guys develop.  However, it is equally important that the youngsters take advantage of the wisdom Bruce brings to the table.  Morgan certainly appears to be on the right track, but it will take some time to see how it plays out.  The OTAs have had no pads so that will be one benchmark.  After that, it will come down to some preseason production.  Of course, Morgan could produce in the preseason and still be stuck on the practice squad.  Just look at Thomas Clayton last August.

Poll
Will Josh Morgan appear on the 49ers 53-man roster?
Yes, right away
192 votes
Yes, after spending some time on the practice squad
78 votes
No, practice squad all year
27 votes
No, cut
2 votes

299 votes | Poll has closed

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I could be mistaken...

... but I recall hearing/reading Nolan speculate that Morgan may also get to field kicks (in camp). It’s quite plausible that he proves his worth there and the team cuts Rossum. While a long-shot, it’s definitely a possibility.

by sfgfan on Jun 16, 2008 2:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Morgan/Smith

I’d love to see Morgan and Reggie Smith get a crack at returning kicks and punts…Rossum is solid but he’s also getting up there in age and we could use the roster spot.

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by Fooch on Jun 16, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’m not interested in Rossum one bit. At best he is average and last year he was around 20th best in the league among those qualified at both PR and KR. I’d rather have the young guys at both CB and fielding returns.

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by marcello on Jun 16, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rossum, the Fastest Player on the Team, Cut? Plausible?

Sonny Boy, Rossum is the fastest player on the team and in the NFL. He is FASTER than both Isaac Bruce and Vernon Davis, and maybe seconds faster than the 4.3 Jason Hill. And you think it’s plausible Rossum will be cut?

We cannot afford to let go of speed. We need to see a more marginal player cut, not Rossum. Even for Rossum, it might take a while to kick into higher gear, but that wouldn’t be a reason to cut him, just to add Morgan to the Roster.

Make no bones about it, I have a feeling Morgan will contribute to the 49ers. Just cut one of the undrafted free agents.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 16, 2008 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding me?

The fastest player in the NFL? He never was the fastest player in the NFL at ANY time, let alone right now. Two words: Devin Hester. Seriously, I have no idea where you get your information sometimes.

On top of that, saying he’s faster than Bruce isn’t really saying much. Bruce was never considered a burner. He was fast, but he wasn’t even close to being one of the fastest in the league. Bruce made his living knowing his assignment, knowing the system, and knowing how to read a defense.

Speed is only one dimension of football. It’s kind of stupid to hold onto someone who is all speed in exchange for someone who is actually useful. What the hell does Rossum do other than kick return? I don’t care what people say about special teams, you don’t cut a player in favor of a special teams player (someone who will hardly see the field 6 times in a game, half of which will be fair catches) unless that special teams player is in the similar mold to Dante Hall or Hester. Rossum is not even close to that, and you’re delusional if you think otherwise.

As for your last line, it seems that you haven’t been reading. The 49ers will be making cuts BEYOND the guys that came in as undrafted free agents. It’s very unlikely any of the UDFAs will make the 53-man roster. It’s actually likely almost half of this year’s draft picks won’t make the roster.

If you don’t cut Rossum, take a look back at Fooch’s projected 53-man roster. Who would you cut instead?

by sfgfan on Jun 16, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

rossum

This is not exactly the most detailed report on it but rumor has it Rossum won a fastest man in the NFL contest at the 2005 Pro Bowl. Not sure if that is done with or without pads and if it’s even true.

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/printthread.php?t=16987

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by Fooch on Jun 16, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even in 2005

I’m sure he had teammates faster than him (DeAngelo Hall).

by sfgfan on Jun 17, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Would Cut Them

I would Kaut Auf:

DE Atiyyah Ellison, QB Drew Olson, WR Dominique Zeigler
S D.J. Parker, S Lewis Baker, WR Jerard Rabb, TE J.J. Finley. TE J.J. Finley is a good player, that is one cut we might have to re-think. Bad cuts or good cuts.

Honestly I am not a writer with much knowledge of stats, I do have to make time to study stats before I give responses, but I tend to make quick responses which backs up your contention that I haven’t been reading. At least I am honest. I have priorities, I am a family man, work two jobs, I write for another website. But if I am paid, or turned into one of the feature writers of any Niner blog, I will devote myself to a thorough examination of the 49ers and write more respectful posts.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 16, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What website do you write for?

You just blew a perfect opportunity to plug your site.

BTW none of the guys you listed are part of Fooch’s projected 53 man roster, so it’s assumed that all of the guys that you mentioned are going to be cut already.

by methodrampage on Jun 17, 2008 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kaut Auf!

I just listed those I feel should be cut, whether from a projected 53 man roster or not.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 17, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I ask...

... what guy from the 53-man would you cut to keep a practically useless player known as Rossum?

by sfgfan on Jun 17, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I answer..

Stats and onfield play tell two different stories. I MISS Otis Amey! I’d cut Rossum for Otis Amey to return to the roster!

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 17, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

It’s a pretty simple follow up question. I say Rossum doesn’t belong and feel that Morgan can more than take his place. You say, basically, “are you nuts?” So I follow up with: who DO they cut then?

And then you give me some mumbo-jumbo about Otis Amey, who is out of the league? Apparently you have some mixed up concept of “value.”

by sfgfan on Jun 17, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Heck It Is..Supposed To Mean..

sfgfan,
Even if Otis Amey is out of the league, he is doing extremely well elsewhere, he has upside to his potential, I’d like him back. Since you kept saying that Rossum was a useless player, I decided to play along and assume that if Rossum was cut, I’d want Amey to return to the 49ers and take his spot. I cannot say WHO DO THEY CUT THEN, because for one:

1. I want to see what the next to final roster looks like, after the first round of cuts.

2. Only then, I can see who should be cut. The reason is, some players that I don’t know personally about, might be a surprise coming out of the camp, even the preseason. I don’t want to cut a player that came out of nowhere who can play like a superstar. It does happen.

So, I am not going to cut just for the sake of it. I would closely evaluate all players first. Assuming Rossum is cut, I’d bring in Amey, that is all I was saying. You seem to think I am made out of some mumbo-jumbo, sonny.

I honestly don’t think Rossum will be left off the roster. I keep hearing good reports about Rossum. The 49ers are high on special teams, and they are one breakaway play from a kick off return touchdown.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Method's 53-man Roster

Offense
QB (3): Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, J.T. O’Sullivan
RB (3): Frank Gore, DeShaun Foster, Michael Robinson
FB (1): Moran Norris
WR (6): Isaac Bruce, Bryant Johnson, Arnaz Battle, Ashley Lelie, Jason Hill, Josh Morgan
TE (3): Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Billy Bajema
LT (2): Joe Staley, Damane Duckett
LG (2): Adam Snyder, Tony Wragge
C (2): Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace
RG (2): David Baas, Chilo Rachal
RT (1): Jonas Jennings

Defense
DE (5): Isaac Sopoaga, Justin Smith, Kentwan Balmer, Ray McDonald, DL (Cohen, Ramsey, Oliver or Allison)
DT (2): Aubrayo Franklin, Ronald Fields
OLB (4): Manny Lawson, Tully Banta-Cain, Parys Haralson, Jay Moore
ILB (5): Patrick Willis, Jeff Ulbrich, Dontarrious Thomas, Brandon Moore, Larry Grant
CB (5): Nate Clements, Walt Harris, Shawntae Spencer, Tarell Brown, Reggie Smith
FS (2): Mark Roman, Dashon Goldson
SS (2): Michael Lewis, Keith Lewis

Special Teams
K: Joe Nedney
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings

I basically took Fooch’s projection and modified it a little. I cut Rossum and Strickland and added a DL and Jay Moore and I believe this roster projection is good enough to facilitate the “Who would you cut for Rossum” discussion. The way I see it, Morgan and Grant are the two whose roster spots are most likely at risk. So if Morgan and or Reggie Smith prove to be adequate return men do you cut Morgan or Grant, who you’d have to consider to have more upside, in favor of Rossum? If no, then who else would you cut?

All the homework has been done for you and I think most would agree that the actual roster could be very similar to what I’ve posted above so there’s no need to wait to conclude this discussion until the last roster cuts.

by methodrampage on Jun 18, 2008 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hudson

I’d cut Grant in favor of Hudson, possibly, before I cut Grant in favor of Rossum.

I just think Rossum is a pretty useless player on the current 49ers roster.

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fantasy Cut: Rossum

Method, I’ll buy you a coke if Rossum gets cut, but I don’t think Rossum gets cut. It’s funny how people think Rossum will be cut. And why they call him a useless player, especially on special teams.

And a Rossum cut is a fantasy cut. Keep on fantasizing, intrigue me.

And if you turn out to be right, I’ll try fantasizing, too.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kick returns.

What reports are you hearing about Rossum? I don’t recall seeing much mention about special teams at all, let alone kick returning, at this point of the offseason.

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rossum

It appears you haven’t been reading the 49ers website, sfgfan, look under the news story title “Better Late Than Never.” Here is what was quoted about Rossum in the 49er website, written by team writer Chrissy Mauck:

“Allen Rossum is best known for his special team return skills, but he got to show them on defense too on Tuesday when he notched an interception.”

In my initial comment titled “The Heck it is Supposed to Mean,” I quoted “I keep hearing good reports about Rossum. The 49ers are high on special teams, and they are one breakaway play from a kick off return touchdown.”

Regarding my quote, I was correct about Rossum’s involvement with the special teams, and in the 49er website it did mention his special team return skills.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

team website

I’d imagine they’d be more likely to discuss the positives over the negatives as well…Have to take that stuff with a grain of salt.

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by Fooch on Jun 18, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

I don’t think the 49ers website has ever said anything bad about a player during a players’ tenure with the team (or after it). Mauck gets paid to write fluff pieces, and that is exactly what she does.

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fluff Piece?

So, you’re saying that the 49er website is filled with fluff pieces, that the writer has got it all wrong?

If I was the coach I might put have my writer put in inaccurate information to mislead the scouts on the other teams. Maybe mislead people on what we’re going to do, and come season opener, shock the world. It does make me nervous when Nolan or some of the players offer perspectives on the Martz offense, because the opposing teams might have their heads perked to the “hot reads” the 49er starting quarterback will be making.

Oh I know, everybody knew about the big show when Martz was with the Rams, and possibly some intricacies of their offense, but still…

That’s just wishful thinking.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say that.

I’m saying that they over-emphasize “good points” and almost NEVER the bad points.

On top of that, Nolan has little power over what appears on the website. 49ers.com is the responsibility of the marketing and PR team, not the football operations.

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Team Website Fact v. Fiction

There are either stories written, whether positive or negatively or as factual versus anomaly; Besides the Yorks, Nolan and McCloughan have control over the entire operations of the 49ers, including the team website. You won’t see the website bash Nolan, neither will it exalt Rossum if he is going to be released, anyway. I’d take the stuff with a grain of salt if I take the positive as a hint that they have plans for Rossum.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are these "plans" they have for Rossum?

To return kicks? Everybody knows that. However, he was signed prior to the draft and Morgan and/or Smith may prove to make Rossum disposable. But the bottom line is Rossum hasn’t been a great kick returner recently. Other than returning kicks do you have any ideas on what “plans” the 49ers have for Rossum?

by methodrampage on Jun 18, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lanes for Speed

The plans the 49ers have for Rossum are to pave lanes for Rossum’s speed to dash through.

They’ll use him on special teams, and while I don’t know about the offense, they could, if they’re innovative enough, use Rossum even as a decoy or on reverse plays, any play that requires exceptional speed to execute.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

An interception...

... against a quarterback who’s still quite rusty (and is learning a new system) is hardly something to write home to mom about. I stand by my original assessment that Rossum is as much on the bubble as any of the other fringe players (i.e. guys who are either going to be cut or put on the practice squad). I also stand by my statement(s) that guys like Hudson, Strickland, Morgan, Reggie Smith, Tarell Brown, or Thomas Clayton are all better served taking up a spot on the 49ers 53-man roster than Rossum is.

We’ll just have to “agree to disagree.”

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree to Disagree

I agree that it would be neat to keep Hudson, Strickland, Morgan, Reggie Smith, Tarell Brown, Clayton, AND Rossum, all of these players.

But I disagree on who should be cut.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Allen Rossum is best known for his special team return skills, but he got to show them on defense too on Tuesday when he notched an interception."

There is no way Rossum plays any defense with the Niners or any team for that matter. He’s strictly a return guy at this point. Rossum may make the team and he may not but his spot on the 53-man roster is by no means secure and even if he makes it he could be the first one dropped from it. He’s just not that good. I’m not sure why you get all chubby for him, oh wait, he’s fast and I forgot that thats all it takes to be a good football player.

by methodrampage on Jun 18, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly.

I remembering seeing someone mention that he was the 20th ranked kick returner in the league last season. If you’re ranked that low in a revolving door position, your spot on ANY 53-man roster is pretty shaky.

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strong Special Teams Play Keeps it Honest

If Rossum was the 20th ranked kick returner, that shows that his former team’s special teams play was weak in the area of opening lanes for Rossum to dash through in kick returning.

Remember, it takes the best 11 players to effectively allow the kick returner to go through the holes. Sometimes a kick returner can do it all by himself, by his sheer vision of the field, but the other ten players have to take care of their part, too, and if they are not, don’t expect the kick returner to cook up something if there are no ingredients to do with.

It’s like asking me to make garlic chicken without any garlic. If you give me some garlic and perhaps a few other ingredients, I can cook up a gourmet meal.

That’s keeping it honest.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a pretty lame excuse.

If you recall, the “Beer Man” was once one of the NFL’s better kick returners and he didn’t do much for the 49ers last year either. There comes a point in a player’s career where he can’t do what he used to anymore, and I’m saying Rossum is at that point. If he was still an effective kick returner, don’t you think Pittsburgh would have just kept him on the roster instead of cutting him? He’s replaceable, and thats all I’m saying.

Or wait, maybe the 49ers aren’t very good at opening up lanes either and that’s why the “Beer Man” didn’t do too hot. Well, if that’s the case, then Rossum is dead where he stands, still.

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lame Excuses, Inc

One of our first questions should be, whether it’s the “Beer Man” or Rossum, is have they lost a step or are they as fast they were when they came into the league?

Secondly, the 49ers did pretty good with special teams last year, and that’s not to say they won’t this year, either.

Whether we are a running back or a kick returner, to survive in the NFL we must be able to see everything that goes on the field.

Otherwise, the NFL is fast.

You got the ball, whoosh, all the ducks in the pond will swoop up the bread we throw. It’s like going to the park and feeding pieces of bread to the birds.

So, even before the kick returner catches the ball, he has to anticipate where he has to go. It’s not like as if Rossum will be staring at the sky waiting for the football to drop in, he has to react how the opposing team are closing in and make a quick read on available holes.

There are intangibles that figures into a player’s ability to continue producing- has he lost a step or still run at the same speed, can he still use his vision to see the entire field and react according to what is happening?

Or will that player be dazed by players whizzing by, flying literally?

We’ll see where Rossum stands and what he does.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speed a Plus

Methodically speaking, this quote “Allen Rossum is best known for his special team return skills, but he got to show them on defense too on Tuesday when he notched an interception,” was written in the team website. Write your response to team writer Chrissy Mauck and see what she says.

Speed is a plus! I am especially intrigued by speed because that kind of speed can adapt itself into game speed nicely, and kick into 5th gear when needed.

If Rossum made an interception, it shows that the 49ers see him more than just a return guy, obviously.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rossum INT

You can interpret it as that, or you can interpret it as them being short-handed. According to Maiocco, Clements and Harris both sat out yesterday, which left them pretty short handed (Smith was playing third CB).

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In addition to being short handed...

... Rossum didn’t play a single defensive OR offensive snap last year for the Steelers. It’s not like they couldn’t use playmakers on offense. And it’s DEFINITELY not like they’re SOOO deep at corner that he couldn’t have earned some playtime. He just couldn’t break the lineup, not even as a package sub.

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunate

Unfortunately, some teams just don’t utilize or make use of a player’s talents. They may not recognize it or maybe their scheme is not endeared towards that player.

There are schematics we may not completely understand. Maybe Rossum is strictly a returner man. But anyway, he has speed. We have to use him.

If you can run faster than say, a Jason Hill, or a Rossum, I wouldn’t be leaving you to languish on the bench. I would utilize you.

That’s just the way I think. If someone is pretty fast, that player should be coachable.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s just the way I think. If someone is pretty fast, that player should be coachable.

Apparently Ashley Lelie and Peter Warrick missed that memo early in their careers.

by sfgfan on Jun 18, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Seriously, the logic behind this speed thing is so flawed it’s shocking.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Jun 19, 2008 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed again

I’ve given up on 16to80endzone. He’s displayed a level of competence that I find less than impressive.

by methodrampage on Jun 19, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we should probably just give him some floaties and let him play in the shallow end.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Jun 19, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speed an Experiment

Sometimes an NFL team will bring in a track star, a player possibly faster than all of NFL as an experiment to see if he can catch the ball, separate himself from defenders, and score. Speed can be a busy, then again, a great success if that player learns how to play football.

I am the type of person who would sacrifice one roster spot for a guy who possesses incredible speed.

That’s not incompetence, method. It just takes creativity to hit pay dirt.

Another logic I have behind this, if we have top-notch coaches, anybody who doesn’t have good stats or much experience to begin with, can be coachable. Otherwise, the coach should be out of a job, and particularly the player if he cannot learn.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 19, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

correction- busy=bust

I made a typo (at least I can catch them)..

change this sentence:

Speed can be a busy,

to

Speed can be a bust,

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 19, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assumption.

Your assumption is that the 49ers have good coaches. If you think about it, pretty much the entire defensive coaching staff is replaceable. Heck, if you look on the offensive side, almost everyone there is replaceable.

The only coaches that probably aren’t replaceable are Singletary, Martz, and Nolan. Problem is, they don’t have a hand in the development of every player and every aspect of their games.

Rossum’s been in the league for years, it’s not like he’s young. If he hasn’t picked up playing defense by now (he did play in Pittsburgh, one of the historically better defensive franchises), then he’ll never pick it up.

by sfgfan on Jun 19, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches

The 49ers do have a good coaching staff, and of course, Singletary, Martz, and Nolan aren’t replaceable. The senior coaches such as Singletary, Martz, Tollner, Sullivan, and Everest aren’t duds- they will not vouch for additions of coaches that are incompetent.

Hostler was a mistake, nothing more and nothing less. It was probably because the 49ers felt he was ready to carry Norv Turner’s mantle, in other words, continue Turner’s offensive scheme.

But conservative play calling? I think I had high blood pressure all that year.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 20, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh.

Tollner was a guy who was out of work for years. He was hired by the 49ers last year because he was available and Hostler was sucking up the joint.

I don’t think Hostler was a mistake, per se. In Nolan’s eyes, he may not have seen it playing out the way it did, but he may have thought Hostler was the lesser of the three evils that he had as options after Turner left. The 49ers, and Nolan, really had no other options.

by sfgfan on Jun 23, 2008 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Teams stopped bringing in track stars a long time ago. Get on the trolley.

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Jun 19, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man… then what the hell am I running all this track for???

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 20, 2008 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burning the Asphalt

We run on this track to burn the asphalt, nothing less.

Or you might say, burn the Tartan track.

If I was a track star, I’d want to get recognized by a professional sport that wants to convert track stars into their sport.

Like football.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 20, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a reason why track stars are track stars

and not football players. Running around in a circle really really fast is definitely a skill set in it’s own but it’s not a skill set that necessarily translates very well on the football field.

by methodrampage on Jun 21, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

It’s like saying a NASCAR driver can easily convert to a road racer.

by sfgfan on Jun 23, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slow Team

I would never want to root for a team that has players that are too slow. Why would speed be shockingly flawed?

I do understand the difference between game speed and timed speed, so what is the problem?

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 19, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speed

You can have all the speed in the world on a team, but that’s not going to win you anything. You know what people covet “big and fast” players? Because it’s a very rare combination. Why is that people want bigger players? Because they are better built to withstand the punishment of playing in the NFL.

Players can succeed without speed, and I’m willing to say that there are more successful players that you would probably classify as “slow” than players you would classify as “fast.”

by sfgfan on Jun 19, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The idea that speed = good player is where your logic is flawed. Michael Johnson would not have been good at football, regardless of his amazing speed.

Maybe I have this wrong though. I mean look at him, he’s so fast he’s a blur. How would corners cover a blur? It would be nigh impossible. It’s just too bad you were never a GM of a football team, all these eggheads in the front offices are missing out on all the best players.

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by marcello on Jun 19, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done

It’s also worthy to note that Rossum is 32 and his speed is more than likely already on a pretty good decline.

by methodrampage on Jun 20, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"maybe seconds faster than the 4.3 Jason Hill."

So Rossum runs a 2.3? Damn you’re right he is fast. But lets try to get this straight; track stars make about as good of football players as power lifters (and if you’re confused they’re both poor). Rossum has little to no upside which is at least something that Morgan has on his side, for the time being.

Make no bones about it, Rossum’s roster spot isn’t safe just because he’s fast.

by methodrampage on Jun 17, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Methodically Correct

Rossum is not a lock to make the team but he isn’t on the roster just to be dropped from it. 2.3? What time was it when posted your comment?

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 17, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the offseason...

... a lot of players on the roster just to be dropped from it. They call that [insert drumroll]... roster fodder. Training camp is so long and they don’t want to exhaust their “locks” for a roster spot, so they sign guys that will take some reps so that (hopefully) another team gets to see what they can do. This is not to mention that teams sign failed reclaimation projects all the time. Rossum was signed as an insurance policy, in case the team didn’t pick up any kick returners during the offseason. If Morgan and/or Smith show they can kick return, it makes little sense to pay for Rossum AND have him take up a roster spot.

by sfgfan on Jun 17, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like you said
[Rossum] maybe seconds faster than the 4.3 Jason Hill.

I took your comment and followed up with some simple math. 1 second faster would mean Rossum is running a 3.3 (4.3 – 1 = 3.3). 2 seconds faster would mean that Rossum is running a 2.3 (4.3 – 2 = 2.3).

by methodrampage on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pardon my Math

Method, pardon my math. I meant, somebody help my math, that if Rossum was faster than Jason Hill’s 4.3, Rossum would be 4.2.

However, I need to check if Rossum is actually 4.2.

Pardon my wording, again, if not, I’ll wait for the Presidential Pardon.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 18, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You said "seconds" faster

Seconds are a unit measure of time.

by methodrampage on Jun 19, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan

I’m not sold on Lelie at all. I know the player he was in college and I followed him throughout his pro career. Hill is as fast as Lelie so he should be able to stretch a defense just as well. We need an infusion of new blood on the team. If Morgan shows that he is as capable as Lelie I think we should have him on the 53 man roster come opening day. I feel there is more upside to Morgan. I am looking for Colvin or possibly Jordan to make the practice squad also

by shmudd on Jun 16, 2008 3:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lelie

I think he’s actually more at risk in getting cut than Jason Hill is. I the 49ers are dead set on carrying only 5 WRs and want to keep Morgan, I think they’d cut Lelie before they cut Hill. That is, unless Hill completely bombs it or Lelie completely blows it up during training camp.

by sfgfan on Jun 16, 2008 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lelie

Lelie will make the team, it will be his job to lose. The 49ers will send the good receivers into the practice squad postured to take Lelie’s spot if Lelie doesn’t have a productive year under the Martz offense. Martz ’s QBs will be throwing a lot, so the 49ers will have a good look at all of the receivers.

That is certainly an upside to Martz’s offense.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 16, 2008 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Practice Squad

The practice squad isn’t like the MLB minor leagues or something. In the NFL, every day is a rule 5 draft. If Morgan shows he can do something, it’d be stupid to expose him to other teams by putting him on the practice squad.

In case you didn’t know, ANY player is free to sign with another team if they’re on a practice squad, as long as they instantly become a part of the new team’s 53-man roster.

by sfgfan on Jun 17, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Veteran Praise of Morgan

Isaac Bruce told Morgan to keep working at his game, why would a hailed veteran waste time on Morgan if he had no talent or even a chance at making the roster? That says it all. Morgan is something special, even if we cannot see it. He might be the next Brandon Williams with a better clubhouse attitude. What I am entralled about Morgan is his leaping ability. We can have fast receivers who don’t leap as high as Morgan, who is slower, but can shift or cut sharply. Morgan might have more game speed than the other’s practice speeds, put it in this way.

Another way to put it, is a player can be explosive off the scrimmage, and while faster players may kick into 5th gear, Morgan can reach 4th gear and stay in that plateau every play. And Morgan is an explosive type of player given his leaping ability, you know?

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 16, 2008 10:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"why would a hailed veteran waste time on Morgan if he had no talent or even a chance at making the roster?"

Because he’s a decent teammate?

He might be the next Brandon Williams

Brandon Williams was far from special.

by methodrampage on Jun 17, 2008 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huff and Puffing

Brandon Williams made awesome catches, he was good for big plays but not for consistency and his clubhouse presence wasn’t as spectacular, either.

Bruce is a decent teammate who doesn’t waste time on people that have no talent. That’s for college coaches to huff and puff with.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 17, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know...

... what Brandon Williams was like to his teammates? Just wondering.

by sfgfan on Jun 17, 2008 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Lloyd!! Duh!

Dang it man, what’s happening to my brain? I was talking about Brandon Lloyd all along! Duh. Bash me, I’d welcome it this time. I deserve it. I can’t believe why I thought Brandon Lloyd was Brandon Williams. First names!

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 17, 2008 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In that case...

... Morgan has something Lloyd NEVER had. He’s recognized as having SOME KIND of ability to separate. Lloyd made ridiculous catches, but he couldn’t get away from a defender to safe his life anywhere within the normal passing ranges (i.e. 10-20 yards). Do you EVER remember him having any kind of run after the catch? I sure don’t.

Morgan supposedly has the ability to get away from defenders. That’s one of the main abilities that the majority of drafted WRs lack. Now whether or not the scouting reports are wrong is an entirely different issue.

by sfgfan on Jun 17, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce said two words to him? He must be the next Jerry Rice…

Neglectful father of David Quinowski

by marcello on Jun 17, 2008 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two Words and a Bowl of Rice

Maybe Bruce asked Morgan to join him for a bowl of rice..

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 17, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In That Case...

Separation after the catch, yes! There are two kinds of receivers who make ridiculous catches, one who can separate and the other who falls into net traps..

What is an interesting element of ability to separate, is that it doesn’t require Olympic speed to separate. It requires an uncanny ability, great motor skills, exposiveness, running after the catch, not running before the catch (chuckle)...

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 17, 2008 10:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would keep Morgan. Hands are not good, but has big play ability.

by justin3007 on Jun 22, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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