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49ers TE Delanie Walker & RB Michael Robinson: $9.5 million in potential

Yesterday came the news that Delanie Walker was inked to a contract extension through 2012.  Walker's deal appears to be a 3-year deal worth $6 million, including a $1.8 million signing bonus.  This comes on the heels of Michael Robinson signing his own three year extension for $3.525 million, including a $1.2 million signing bonus.  Both players rookie contracts expire after 2009.

Between the two of them, in two seasons they've combined for 237 rushing yards, 43 receptions, 324 receiving yards and 3 touchdowns.  Delanie Walker is a backup tight end and Michael Robinson is the third string running back.  On the surface this would not seem like much to write home about.  Of course, here at Niners Nation, neither Walker nor Robinson is thought of in such traditional terms.

Delanie Walker
Walker is definitely a fan favorite of many and his potential has folks rather excited.  Vernon Davis is the future of the 49ers at tight end, but Walker is a guy who can definitely make an impact.  The 49ers seem to think the same thing with this extension.  Furthermore, Mike Martz has been impressed with what Walker has brought to the table so far in practice:

"Wow. That's how I would say it. Wow. He has some real wow factor to him. He is such a professional and he works so hard at it. He's such a stickler for detail. You talk about some jets and some ability to run and eat up the field. Holy cow. I didn't know anything about Delanie until I got here. The last week or two, we put some things in just for him and he just really excelled."

Walker put up some decent numbers in the preseason last year and showed some signs of life in the regular season.  As with the rest of the offense, it's hard to predict what the Mike Martz offense will mean for Walker's production.  He had 21 receptions for 174 yards last season.  The preseason will likely not be much of an indicator since I'd imagine the team will hold back on rolling out the entire offense.  Any predictions on walker's season?

Michael Robinson
Robinson has always been intriguing because of the switch he's made from quarterback to running back, and the fact that the 49ers took him in the 4th round to make this transition.  Although he hasn't blown people away as a running back, he showed some progress last year, boosting his rushing average from 3.1 to 4.7 yards per carry.  It was based on only 26 carries, so we'll see if SSSS (small sample size syndrome) comes into play.  The addition of DeShaun Foster makes for an interesting situation for Robinson.  While Robinson might not do much as a running back this coming season (or even long term for all we know), he has shown some ability on special teams. 

One thing I do like about him is the fact that he, along with Arnaz Battle, can be utilized in some creative situations because of their quarterback experience.  Martz enjoys some trickery in his offense and this could be his best opportunity.  Throw in the fact that Alex Smith is quite athletic (you don't run Urban Meyer's spread option offense without being an athlete) and we could see some overall zaniness on the field in 2008.

The one thing to keep in mind with these two extensions is that they're low risk, high reward situations.  If there comes a time when there is clearly no room for one or both of them in the future, cutting them will not even remotely cripple the team financially.  Although the press coverage goes to Justin Smith and Nate Clements type signings, these smaller deals can often turn out just as important.

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I've always loved Delanie

I saw him return like 3 kicks his rookie year in the preseason, and I’ve always thought that he should be back there more often. We’ll see if he and VD become the scary duo they should be.

by bondslegend on Jun 22, 2008 6:14 PM PDT   0 recs

Delanie Walker, the Melanie Talker

Just kidding about the title about, however, Delanie Walker is my man over Robinson. Delanie is a true position player at TE and he’s right up there with Vernon Davis. If Davis wasn’t a member of the 49ers, Delanie would be a starter right now. However, if Vernon needs to catch his breath, or is sidelined, Delanie will step in nicely.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 24, 2008 8:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Robinson Still a Puzzle

Robinson is a converted running back who used to be a college quarterback. What is going on, given we had running backs available in the draft? Robinson’s potential was better than the running backs available or was it the fact he was able to convert to running back and the 49ers are intrigued by using him for trick plays where he gets the ball and throws it?

And they’re paying him a nice sum. Nice, for a converted running back, I guess.

Can anybody share their thoughts on this?

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 22, 2008 10:25 PM PDT   0 recs

I think the 49ers thought that he was the most athletic, versatile player at a point in the draft when they were no longer looking for immediate impact type players. I think he was clearly a hard worker and a class act, and Nolan & Co. put one and one and one and one together. Pure Athlete + Versatility + Project Luxury + Nolann-Style-Hard-Worker = Win.

Did they also see him at the Senior Bowl? I have it in my head that they did, and they certainly have a history of liking guys they see at the Senior Bowl.

What’s always puzzled me is why he was converted to a RB instead of WR, where we had the more pressing need and where I believe his skill set would likely have played better faster (and longer), and where most converted QBs seem to have the most success (I have no stat on that, though). I’m not a big fan of his as a RB, and the fact that he’s getting buried behind a mean platoon doesn’t make me like his position on the team anymore. I think his value has always been minimized since the team made him a RB.

He’s clearly a physical talent, though, and I love his attitude. He’s obviously a team and coach favorite. I just wish I could see what makes him so interesting as a backfield presence.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 22, 2008 11:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Robinson @ RB

I think that the team saw that he has a ton of power when he runs, and saw that fit best at RB, and not WR. He runs with power in the lower legs, and that’s good. His biggest bug-a-boo so far in his career is that his vision on the run is fairly suspect and he runs upright too often (probably a result of playing QB). I think he has more of a future on this team at RB than he does at WR. At RB, he can contribute to being a HB (on passing downs) or a FB when they need someone more athletic back there than Norris (which I’m thinking will be a VERY common occurrence from here on out). Versatility is better reserved for someone in the backfield, at least in my opinion.

This is not to say he wouldn’t have made a decent WR (a la Arnaz Battle), I just think he can be a solid contributor in the backfield (not necessarily by carrying the ball, of course).

If he was a WR this year, with the WR corps the way it is currently is, Robinson would probably have a hard time making the team. That’s just my thoughts, of course.

by sfgfan on Jun 23, 2008 9:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree that Robinson would likely be buried this season as a WR, though I can’t begin to say how his development would have been different from that position. Certainly, RB is one of the easier offensive transitions from college to the pros and WR is one of the most difficult, so it doesn’t make much sense to argue that he’d be further along right now if he’d been converted to receiver.

And there are some decent points coming up about Robinson’s role in the backfield, particularly as a blocker and as a running fullback. I can see quite a few ways that this specific role could give him considerable value to the offense. Could. I certainly like his strength and his versatility, but I really just don’t like his running. He runs very, very upright and I’ve never been impressed with the way he runs with his blocks – which as a former QB, I would imagine he’s somewhat comfortable reading. I don’t think he’s a natural runner at all, and I don’t know that he will be able to overcome that. As a running fullback, though, some of these concerns don’t mean as much, whereas his strength and his blocking skills will play much better.

I just can’t help but wonder. At the time he was drafted, we really had pressing, long term needs at WR, particularly moreso than at RB (heh, yeah we still do…), and he had a lot of the same qualities that other QBs who have successfully converted to WR have had. He has a good body type, good strength, decent speed. He understands the passing game (presumably)...

I guess it’s that the conversion to RB has always seemed very unnatural for him to me, from the fact of the conversion itself to actually watching him take on the growing pains and run into blockers and stand straight up all the time, where the conversion to WR always seemed much more natural… I just wonder what he could have done.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 24, 2008 3:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Long Term Needs at WR

First off we’re talking about a 4th round pick. The fact that he even has a role on the team makes him a successful pick, especially considering the Niners recent drafting history. The year Robinson was drafted the Niners took Brandon Williams with their 3rd round pick, I guess they could have taken a WR with back to back picks but they also had drafted Rasheed Marshall and Marcus Maxwell the year before and the year before that Rashaun Woods Derrick Hamilton were taken. I guess the Niners should just keep drafting 2 WR every draft until someone panned out, right?

by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Holy moly, I forgot how many WRs we drafted over that time. That’s a lot of misses (it’s also a lot of late-round picks, so misses aren’t unexpected).

You’re making a lot of sense, and after this entire discussion, I’m definitely less confused about why he was converted the way he was. I still think that he as an athlete just would have fit better at WR, but I’m happy to get any value out of him, and I think we have obviously already done that with him as a RB. I still don’t like his running, but he’s not a failure by any means.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 24, 2008 1:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

WR Experimentation Failures

I remember clearly Rashaun Woods, I was excited about him, but he didn’t pan out, I was disappointed.

Brandon Williams improved in his last stint with the 49ers, but the 49ers let him go. I think the Niners knew that even if he had improved he wasn’t a fit for the 49ers.

I still rave about Marcus Maxwell and Otis Amey and wonder why they’re not on the team. I prefer them over Cam Colvin and Dominique Zeigler by a wide margin. Especially, I want Amey back, he can be very productive for the 49ers.

Trust me.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 25, 2008 11:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You must be from Union City or something...

... if you like Amey so much. I don’t see what Amey or Maxwell did to draw such support from you (or anyone else in the fanbase). Maxwell had two years in NFLE, no? That means TWICE he went into training camp and didn’t make it. My opinion on Amey was stated before and here it is again: if the other 31 teams in the league passed on him as well, how much potential does he REALLY have? The 49ers may be wrong, I’ll give them that. A handful of teams can be wrong, I’ll give them that too. But it’s VERY unlikely that an UFA being passed on by all 32 teams (especially some teams with poor special teams) is serviceable.

by sfgfan on Jun 26, 2008 9:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Takes a Boat or Bridge to Cross Over to Union City

Please do research on how Amey is presently doing, and get back to me, I think he’s playing Arena football and scoring a bunch of touchdowns. Once passed over by the 49ers, he’ll be passed over by 31 other teams, they base on scouting reports (not so reliable scouting reports).

Besides the 49ers felt they had other WRs of equal or better value than Amey. Sometimes there’s a group of WRs which are all good but we can’t take them all, right?

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 26, 2008 7:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't get it.

I really don’t understand what you’re trying to say half the time you’re saying it. First, you say you’d rather have Amey than Cam Colvin. Then you say in your reply that “the 49ers felt they had other WRs of equal or better value than Amey.” So which is it? Do you want your judgment or do you want the 49ers? You can’t just have it both ways.

As for doing my research, I DO do research. I know he’s been in the Arena League, and frankly, I don’t care. The Arena League is NOT the NFL. Heck, it’s even GEARED TOWARD being a high scoring league. When is the last time a game had an under of 80 points? It seems like forever. I’m pretty sure that at least 3/4ths of the players in the Arena League wouldn’t even make it onto an NFL practice squad, let alone become serviceable in the league.

As for the 31 other teams passing because the 49ers did, that would be a joke, right? Other teams will sign a player if THEIR scouting department likes a player, not because another team’s scouting report does. They use their own scouting, because if they didn’t, why would they even have scouts? Guys like LaJuan Ramsey and Atiyyah Ellison have jobs because even though one team has passed on them, another one is interested. Also, this will be how guys like Ronald Fields, Melvin Oliver, Drew Olson, and Donald Strickland will still have jobs even if the 49ers cut them. If you AT LEAST have the POTENTIAL to be a serviceable player in the NFL, you will have a job (at least during training camp) even if another team passes on you.

by sfgfan on Jun 27, 2008 9:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Woods

I was pissed the moment the Niners passed on Will Smith.

Anyways, so you were excited about Woods huh? Just like you get all chubby over Amey? So far I see no reason to trust you ability to evaluate WRs.

by methodrampage on Jun 26, 2008 3:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's not to mention..

... Woods had ZERO kind of speed. That doesn’t fit the 16to80 M.O.!

by sfgfan on Jun 26, 2008 6:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Chubby Over Draftee Prospects

It’s actually the hysteria from the Draft. Actually I knew if Amey didn’t make the team, he would do good elsewhere. On Woods, he was a very solid possession receiver who could score, so I got excited about him. But now that brings to us the reality of what a truly different level the NFL is than college. The pace of play is much faster in the NFL than in college. One can be explosive in college but find himself chasing dust in the NFL.

After all, that is what the NFL is all about. I can be faster than all the elementary and middle school kids, but high school and college is the next level.

The NFL is as high we can get.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 26, 2008 7:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Mean Platoon is still pretty injury prone

Robinson is still pretty raw he’s only entering his third year as a full time RB. He has shown improvement from one year to the next and he’s a pretty valuable special teams player. He deserves a roster spot more than Norris.

by methodrampage on Jun 23, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Norris

I totally agree. I really don’t think Martz’ offense needs a full-time fullback, if one at all. Walker and Robinson can both fill in as the H-Back (the closest thing the 49ers’ system has to a fullback) as they are probably both capable blockers but yield a lot more in terms of production potential and potential mismatches.

Norris plays a position that is dying in the NFL. In this day and age where strength and speed are almost a necessity, the traditional fullback is falling by the way-side. This is not to say he isn’t a darn good run blocker and that he wouldn’t be a better lead blocker for Gore/Foster/whomever than Walker/Robinson, but in terms of overall usefulness to the team, Norris lacks it.

by sfgfan on Jun 23, 2008 12:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sensibility

That makes more sense converting a quarterback to a wide receiver, a good example is Arnaz Battle. I think the 49ers liked the explosive burst coming off the scrimmage in Robinson.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 23, 2008 7:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trick plays

I don’t think the 49ers drafted him with trick plays in mind. They probably drafted him because they saw the potential for a solid contributor in the offense. Whether that be running, run blocking, pass catching, or picking up the blitz, they saw it in Robinson. With a fourth round pick, you can’t really hope for more than a “solid contributor.” Robinson, if he can stick as a third down back or a H-Back that the team goes to (either exclusively or splitting time with Delanie Walker), could be a solid contributor. He’ll never be a world-class RB or a world-class WR, but it’s a little unfair to expect that from a fourth round pick.

by sfgfan on Jun 23, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Contributing vs Producing

If I was a marginal MLB baseball player, I would contribute to some runs, but if I was a productive hitter, I’d both bat .350 and score 100 runs. If Robinson can contribute in the NFL, fine, but if he plays the full 4 quarters, I’d rather see him be more productive.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 23, 2008 7:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Robinson is a 3rd string RB

Who also averaged 4.7 yards per carry last year. Which just happens to be more than Frank Gore. It would also tie his with Tomlinson and the list of other guys he tops is quite extensive (feel free to do a little research, that’s how you form a reasonable opinion). Small sample size be damned, Robinson produced when he was given the opportunity.

What 3rd string RB plays a full 4 quarters?

by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kevan Barlow also produced when given the opportunity as a part time player, to the tune of 5.1 yards per carry.

Just saying… you don’t have to be a good player to succeed in a particular role. But if Robinson is nothing more than a role player and he fills that role well, I have no real problem with that. If he does become a good all-around player, I’ll happily eat that crow.

Don’t get me wrong, I honestly like Robinson. I think he’s a soft-spoken, hard-working player who was thrown into a difficult situation and has done well in that position. I’m just very skeptical of his ultimate ability.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 24, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Situational

I don’t think the 49ers have any delusional belief that he can be a good runner. If that were the case, Thomas Clayton may not have been drafted last year (but then again, there’s the adage: you can never have too many running backs) and Foster would not have been signed this year. I think they’re really enamored with his overall ability and all the potential versatility that entitles.

What excites me is that Martz has shown interest in Robinson. If anyone can make use of the jack-of-many-trades-but-expert-of-none Robinson, it may be Martz. It’ll be interesting to see what he can do, because he has a very versatile backfield:
- Gore is a VERY good runner who is also fairly good at catching the ball.
- Foster is a fairly good runner who is also pretty good at catching the ball.
- Robinson, while not a good runner, could make a name for himself as a third-down back catching and blocking.

by sfgfan on Jun 24, 2008 1:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If Barlow was still capable of 5.1 yards per carry he'd still have a job

You can’t knock Robinson for only producing as a part time player. I don’t think anybody really thinks Robinson has starter potential. He’s a situational/role player, he does whats asked of him and he does a decent enough job at it. I guess I’m not sure what every one expects of the guy or what they want out of their #3 RB.

by methodrampage on Jun 24, 2008 3:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I’m not knocking Robinson for only producing as a part time player. I’m just not keen on especially crediting him for it either. I don’t expect that much out of him, personally, which might also be why I’m more critical of him than others.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 24, 2008 9:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But your critism seems completely unfounded

As far as I can tell you’re just a hater.

by methodrampage on Jun 25, 2008 10:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I’m being misunderstood, which is probably my fault.

Initially my criticism wasn’t against Robinson, it was against the decision to convert him to RB rather than WR. I’ve seen quite a few good arguments about this, and I’m actualy satisfied now in my understanding of the decision. I still think his skill set would have played better at receiver, but there was probably never any room there for him to take the time to develop. So that’s fine. He’s cut out a role where he is, anyway, and I think he has some value as a blocker who can run a little. I’ve been brought around on that point. It did make more sense to convert him to RB at the time.

When I’ve criticized Robinson himself, it’s been directly about his running, which I don’t like. I don’t think he runs well and I don’t know that he has the skills to overcome that. He runs high, straight up and down, often into blockers (this he’s improved, though), and he doesn’t seem to move laterally particularly well to me. He’s strong and can occasionally move the pile, but his value seems to play best as a blocker to me and I’ve never really liked him on third down. He has a role, and he’s effective on special teams, so I’m not trying to say that he’s useless. I just don’t see what distinguishes him so much as a fan favorite.

When I mentioned Barlow, that wasn’t supposed to be read as a criticism of Robinson. Barlow and Robinson are completely different in almost every way. Barlow was lazy and malcontent. His running problems seemed to stem from uncoachability. He’d stop moving his feet, he wouldn’t hit the line, he didn’t trust his blockers, he had no running strength and bad balance. Those things don’t apply to Robinson at all. What I was criticizing when I mentioned Barlow was the idea that 4.7 yards/carry was an example of Robinson’s ability to produce. Besides the fact that it came on fewer than 30 carries (and resulted in a grand total of 121 yards), at best it’s an example of him producing in a very limited role. I brought up Barlow to point out that even a bad player can do well in a role that complements him. The criticism was not against Robinson, but rather against the idea that his 121 yards of production really means anything.

I like that Robinson is a hard worker and appears to be a humble guy, but he’s never distinguished himself as a player to me. He plays a role, but it’s a role that is completely replaceable, and that I think a guy like Hicks actually played better.

I think I sound so negative because I’ve been on the other “side” of the Robinson debate. I’m not actually down on HIM so much as I’m down on the idea that he’s special. I get that he plays a role, and I hven’t been disappointed by his production in that role. If anything, he’s filled it well so far. It’s not really an important role at all. I was wrong about some things, but I still don’t get what’s so special about him. He’s kind of Hicks lite, and nobody was so wild about Hicks.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 25, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I still don’t get what’s so special about him

Maybe this would be good time for the Robinson Fanboys to step up. I don’t think he’s really anything special as far as NFL talent goes but I do think he’s adequate at his job. He’s also still pretty raw at RB, he may improve a little and he may not but either way I don’t see any kind of problem with him being the 3rd RB behind Gore and Foster.

by methodrampage on Jun 25, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Special

I don’t think people think he’s special. Speaking from my perspective, he just seems like a very likeable guy that a fan can latch onto. I have no thoughts of him becoming an incredible #2 back (let alone #1) or anything like that. I just think he’s a versatile player where that versatility is used very well as a 3rd string RB, third down back, and special teams player. If anything, I’d think that he should become more exclusively a H-back or quasi-tightend/quasi-fullback and let Clayton be the #3 RB.

I have gone on record saying that Robinson is probably a lot more useful to this team than Moran Norris is, though. I still think that is true. That’s not to say he’s a very good running back by any means. Just that he’s more useful than someone who is pretty much exclusively used for blocking.

by sfgfan on Jun 25, 2008 3:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

4 Quarters Play

If one shows he can be productive in a full 4 quarters, then he is better than a marginal player.

Regardless whether he’s 1st string or 3rd string. The 1st and 2nd stringers can get injured anytime and a 3rd stringer ends up playing the entire game.

Robinson being Robinson, running straight up in that style, soon defenses will close him down. That’s not being productive in the entire 4 quarters.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 26, 2008 7:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If your first and second string backs go down...

... you have a lot more to worry about than a third string RB running too upright.

by sfgfan on Jun 27, 2008 9:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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