The Two Mikes: Battle of the Egos?
I like to think of myself as a positive individual. There are plenty of sites that go negative and are as pessimistic as can be. However, while I'm positive I'm also a realist. When the team was in the tank I certainly wasn't predicting great things.
So that brings me to this post. I find myself optimistic about the offense entering the season. There are certainly question marks, but I don't see why the offense can't turn the corner. Of course, part of that is due to my eternal optimism about Alex Smith. However, I find myself really intrigued by the dynamic of the Mike Martz-Mike Nolan work relationship. All I know about Mike Martz is what I've read and that always seems to be second, third or fourth hand. What do we really know about the personality of Mike Martz?
Over the three seasons Mike Nolan has been head coach, his offensive coordinators have been Mike McCarthy, Norv Turner and Jim Hostler. Not exactly a barrel of personalities. Norv Turner is a great offensive coordinator, but he's not the larger-than-like personality that seems to emanate from Mike Martz. Even the rest of the coaching staff doesn't seem to bring the type of ego most of us expect out of Martz. A guy like Mike Singletary is great and knows he's great, but doesn't appear to be egotistical in the slightest. Again, Mike Martz could be the nicest guy in the world. I'm making some broad assumptions here. However, if this team is going to succeed in any form this season, it will be because the offense takes a step to some next level.
So I guess the question is how do you think this relationship will pan out? I'm not thinking of this in terms of whether Martz leaves for a head coaching job next season or whenever. Rather, can two strong-willed individuals coexist in a situation where one of them is very clearly on the hot seat?
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Nolan's history
I think that Nolan and Martz will coexist without incident. I think Nolan has gotten a bad rap as being overbearing because he has had some pretty incompetent coordinators at times. I think Nolan has shown complete willingness to stay out of coordinators way when he respects them as able to get the job done. i.e. Manusky, McCarthey, and Turner. Its when Nolan loses confidence in a coordinator that he gets overly involved, which is when I think Martz and Nolan would butt heads. If the Offense is mildly productive Nolan will stay out of the way, and all will be happy in niner coaching land.
Tom will never be as cool as Joe
by wader251 on Jun 27, 2008 9:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Vs. Mike
I do believe the two will co-exist. In my view, Nolan will let Martz run the show to, one; improve the very worse part of the team, and two; have Martz there as a buffer to take the heat if our 08 Offense is anything less than stellar. Then too, we all know how it works, once this offense does begin ‘lighting it up’ Herr Nolan is the “face” of the team and will get the bulk of the glory/spotlight/praise for the “amazing turn-around” and Martz will off on the sideline taking in all of Nolan’s sound-bites.
Lets face it tho, what do we really care about their relationship – “just win, Baby” (can I use that without getting into trouble)?
by ninernutt on Jun 27, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Harmonious and Co-Existing, Both in Their Respective Places
Let’s go back to the flaky 2007 season, where:
1. The Head Coach is a Defensive-minded coach
2. The Defense had GREAT coaches- Singletary, Manusky, and the Head Coach himself, Nolan
3. The offense had, gulp, Hostler as Offensive Coordinator. When the season started, Tollner wasn’t on board as QBs coach/Assistant to the Head Coach. It was Hostler on an island all by himself, with veteran QB Dilfer acting as mentor to Smith, who took over eventually after Smith’s shoulder injury.
The reason I believe Mike Martz and Mike Nolan will co-exist, not only that but make significant contributions both to the offensive and defensive side. Nolan now has coordinators on both sides of the ball who really know their thing, not only them but the assistant coaches too.
Before, it was disastrous, the 49ers were more of a defensive team than an offensive one, and during that year I strangely wanted the defense on the field more than the offense. I wanted none of Hostler. I fretted and fumed everytime I read about Hostler’s conservative play-calling as if he was uncertain what to do with the departed Norv Turner’s offense.
Then, Tollner stepped in, and Shaun Hill took over the reins of the huddle, the whole climate changed.
Nolan once had complete control over the operations of the 49ers, but he was stripped of that power. Why did Nolan endorse the hiring of Martz, if he will return to head coaching again one day?
Nolan wanted people who understood how to run an offense, as he already had personnel to more than adequately run the defense. Once Tollner got on the boat, it was a signal to Nolan to bring back to the offense a very competent staff with stellar reputations. Martz was the best offensive coordinator the 49ers were going to hire, but Chan Gailey? Martz is better suited for a quick fix and re-grouping of the offense than Gailey is, it would have taken Gailey at least 2-3 years to re-shape the offense. The 49ers offensive players stressed learning as much of the Martz’s complex offense before the season begins, they have the two most important ingredients on board ready to take the reins, Isaac Bruce who will get things going, and J.T. Sullivan, who is ready to step in anytime.
Nolan is very competitive, so he will let Martz do his job, after all, he is a defensive-minded head Coach.
He’s let Singletary do his job so far.
And Singletary is the best.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jun 27, 2008 10:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Highly Agree!
Great posts from all of you! There’s no reason why they can’t coexist….I just hope Martz isn’t just a one and done deal like all of our coordinators have been for the last 3 years. It would be tough to fill his shoes. Do you think that if the Niners see some success this year that Martz will leave? It seems like he’s pretty excited to be here in Frisco, maybe he stays. Is it really about where you stand on the totem pole as far as coaching goes? He’ll still get all the credit in the world for turning this offense around if he sticks around for a while. Honestly, there’s always gonna be a job in the NFL for the offensive guru, Martz. Anyways, lets just hope we stop readjusting sooner or later so we can start to build some consistency. Agreed?
by #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. on Jun 28, 2008 6:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A Healthy Competition
There is no doubt in my mind that these two will work together as two true professionals but as I see it, the message is clear… If the offense improves but the team does not show marked improvement, it may again be Mr. Martz turn to lead the Niners.
Just as I’m optimistic that the competition at QB will finally push Alex over the top, Mike vs Mike is good for the team.
Oh, and by the way, I can’t wait to see Willis knock somebody silly!
Tinman
by Tinman17 on Jun 28, 2008 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Which Mike??
I don’t think the York’s pull the plug on Nolan just yet….but if they do I think they give the head coaching job to another Mike….I believe it would be Singletary before Martz. I hope we retain Nolan a little longer….I think what he and Scott have done in bringing talent and great coaches, is unmatched. The Niners arguably have the best coaching staff in the league right now….don’t change a thing.
by #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. on Jun 29, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Niners arguably have the best coaching staff in the league right now
Realistically I no idea how you’re coming to this conclusion. Because having the best coaching staff certainly hasn’t translated into many wins over the past couple of seasons. Nolan should need to win atleast 9 games to retain his job for one more season.
by methodrampage on Jun 29, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuttal
Meathodrampage, do you honestly think that is something you can measure over a couple of years? I believe our coaching staff is among the elite coaching staffs in the league….I understand that it hasn’t exactly panned out just yet, but the team has taken some pretty large steps since Nolan came to town.
Jim Tomsula is a highly motivated and energetic D-line coach that I happen to really admire. Al Everest took our special teams to one that was respected around the league. Mike Singletary demands the respect of anyone he coaches and will one day make an incredible head coach. Mike Nolan paired up with Singletary and Manusky make one incredible defensive three-headed monster. Now with the addition of Martz, the offensive guru…I guess thats where I’ve come to conclude this. I even left out some that I think really improve this team.
Why is everyone so negative anyway?
by #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. on Jun 29, 2008 7:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not being a Pessimist, It's being a Realist
And im starting to think this is 16to80 in disguise.
by good as gold on Jun 29, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Yes, I honestly think Nolan and Co. need to start winning some fucking games before I dub them the “Greatest Coaching Staff in the NFL”.
by methodrampage on Jun 30, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best coaching staff in the league?
I think the “cheating” Patriots are a lot closer to being the #1 coaching staff in the league than the 49ers are. Heck, if anything, the 49ers are closer to the bottom than the top, as they haven’t proven much of anything. If you think about it, they bring in all these “talented” players, and for some reason the players don’t realize their potential. At some point, that onus is on the coaching staff as much as it is on the players.
by sfgfan on Jun 30, 2008 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe… onus….
Oh wait… that’s not the word I thought it was….
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jul 1, 2008 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheaters the Best Coaches?
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on Jul 2, 2008 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not...
... that coaching staff is probably one of the best coaching staffs in the history of the NFL. Cheating aside, they don’t just win, they know how to evaluate AND develop players. That’s a lot more than probably a third to a half of the teams in the NFL can say.
by sfgfan on Jul 2, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who said about being the #1 coaching staff....I said among the best
I agree that they need to start winning games, who doesn’t want to see that….but just keep your panties on, and try to be positive.
by #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. on Jul 1, 2008 9:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Need a quote?
On Jun 29, 2008 10:09 AM PDT #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. said:
The Niners arguably have the best coaching staff in the league right now…
by sfgfan on Jul 2, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Apparently much how 16to80 dislikes to be quoted word for word as does #1TE, coincidence?
There’s a difference between blind loyaltist positivity and realist positivity.
by methodrampage on Jul 2, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Arguably the best" not Absolutely
Quote me all you want
by #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. on Jul 3, 2008 11:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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