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49ers OTAs Day 3: Battle, Sims, Spikes...

I was planning on giving a brief recap each day for the 49ers organized team activities.  However, some days are slower than others so this will be more of random summaries to date with no particularly organized time pattern.  Additionally, it will likely be a combination of open thread on the OTAs and a link dump of anything remotely related, so feel free to throw in any links you might come across.

Arnaz Battle
After falling off the face of the earth for much of this week, Arnaz Battle has made contact and will be attending next week's workouts.  Battle gave the ever popular "personal reasons" as his excuse for missing the first week.  A lot of times you can figure out the real reason, whether it be a contract issue, playing time, or general unhappiness with the team.  In this case, I honestly don't know what would be the cause of this, other than something that actually is a "personal reason."  At some point some reason is bound to slip out, so I guess we'll just wait and see until then.  In the meantime, assuming all is well, Battle is definitely in a position for another solid season considering his past and the incoming Mike Martz-offense.

Barry Sims
Depth along the offensive line is viewed as a big problem going into the 2008 season.  Nolan has admitted as much and injuries over the past few seasons have created problems along the OL.  Any and every able body helps and so the 49ers have been talking with 10-year veteran Barry Sims.  It certainly helps that he's been playing in the Bay Area for so long and he is represented by a San Francisco-based agent.  I was looking over his Scout's Inc scouting report and he could definitely be useful this season:

Sims has adequate bulk and strength to go with good foot quickness and agility. He is a smart player with the ability to learn and has played both tackle spots as well as guard. He is a tough lineman who plays with a lot of confidence and tenacity. He can struggle in a strength contest but will fight and scrap and generally get the job done. He understands angles and blocking techniques and rarely allows himself to get into bad situations. He lacks the stride length to be effective out on the island as a tackle and lacks the bulk and power to be real effective inside against the NFLs bigger nose tackles and defensive tackles. He works blocks and rarely lets his feet die, so he always has a chance to get the job done but it won't always be pretty. Sims is the kind of lineman you love for his leadership and competitiveness, and while you hope to have enough talent to keep him on the bench as a backup but he won't hurt you as a starter.

This is definitely something to keep in the back of our minds.  Even if he's not productive on the field, a guy like Sims seems like a perfect mentor for Chilo Rachal.  Sims is experienced and as a tackle he could definitely show Rachal the ropes.  I just hopped over to Barrows blog and he had an interesting comment on what could potentially happen if Sims were signed.  It seems there is some disagreement on moving Rachal to tackle.  Bringing in Sims would provide the necessary depth at tackle and allow the team to move Rachal back to his more natural guard position.  We'll see how this plays out.

Take Spikes
The rumors had floated around about Spikes for the last couple of months and it seems like we can finally stick a fork in them.  Spikes is on the downside of his career and I'd prefer to see guys like Ulbrich and Thomas get a crack at the Ted position.  Veterans are always nice, but I didn't see Spikes contributing anymore than the guys we've already got.

If anything else comes along today I'll update this.

EDITOR'S UPDATE 10:15PM: MM is reporting Barry Sims will be coming in for a workout next Monday.

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Takeo Spikes

I was intrigued with the idea of a Takeo Spikes signing. He is a good player, not someone to easily pass over. He might be towards the end of his career but he could add to the reinvigoration of the San Francisco 49er’s roster. We still can use Ulbrich and utilize Thomas but why not add Spikes to the squad?

I wasn’t sure what the hesitation is in signing him. He’s one of the top unrestricted free agents. We need more veterans to mentor the new players and to be one of the players to occupy the Ted position. Even if we may have another player best suited for that position, having depth at any given position is a plus.

16to80endzone

by 16to80endzone on Jun 4, 2008 10:09 PM PDT   0 recs

money

According to the article, Spikes wants $2.5m and the 49ers don’t want to pay that much.

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by Fooch on Jun 4, 2008 10:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

49ers Interest in Takeo Spikes

Fooch, 49ers remain interested in signing Takeo Spikes, the reason they do not want to pay as much as $2.5 million is because if Spikes is signed, they won’t put him in as starter, but into the thick of competition for the starting spot, and if the 49ers looked at Spikes as an immediate starter for the 49ers, they would have no problem dishing out $2.5 mil.

Agreed?

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 6, 2008 1:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Spikes

Yea if they thought he could start and make a big impact for them I’m sure they’d have no problem paying out a 1 year deal for $2.5m. However, I’d assume they think he’s simply not worth that kind of money for whatever reason, whether it be that he simply won’t have enough of an impact or the injury possibilities or whatever. He’s guy I’d like to keep an eye on going forward to see what he actually does this season, for whomever signs him.

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by Fooch on Jun 6, 2008 7:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly.

Why would you give a guy $2.5M that could potentially get cut at the end of August? Not only is he a risk NOT to start, it’s VERY plausible that he can’t even make the roster.

by sfgfan on Jun 6, 2008 9:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pay up or Lose

Really, in the NFL if we want to go all the way to the playoffs and a berth in the Super Bowl, we have to pay up to make the roster star-studded or at least a more solid roster up and down.

16to80endzone

by 16to80endzone on Jun 5, 2008 7:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Star-studded.

I wouldn’t exactly call any roster “star-studded” if the entire roster consisted of players like Spikes. The guy is worn-down and no longer has what it takes, physically, to play in the NFL. It’s not like the 49ers are the ONLY team passing on him.

by sfgfan on Jun 5, 2008 9:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Money Speaks Louder Than Words

Fooch just quoted Spikes wants $2.5 million and the 49ers don’t want to pay that much. Isn’t that suggesting the Niners should pay up?

This is the year! Let’s go to the pockets, as I said, money speaks louder than words.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 5, 2008 7:54 AM PDT   0 recs

First off this is NOT the year, to think otherwise is pure lunacy.

Secondly, Spikes isn’t the player that’s going to put the Niners over the top and I doubt he’d make much of a TED anyways. Lastly, if the Niners haven’t “paid up” thus far then what do you call the Clements, Lewis, Franklin, Bruce, Johnson, Foster, Thomas, and Smith signings? Between Clements and Smith the Niners have “paid up” to the tune of $106 million.

by methodrampage on Jun 5, 2008 8:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

More Elite Players

I always want more elite players.

Why not? We need to solidify the offensive line. With rookies it will always be a learning curve.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 5, 2008 9:03 AM PDT   0 recs

Spikes != Elite

Spikes was never an “elite” player. He was good, but NEVER an elite player. Couple that with the fact that he’s worn down (failed physical is why he’s a free agent in the first place) and probably can’t play the “Ted,” what good is he to the 49ers?

Your assumption that a championship team is built through signing “studs” has a lot of faults in it. One, there are no studs that really hit free agency anymore. They’re either locked up long-term before the deals are up, or they are traded for pieces. Because of point number one, the players that DO hit free agency will generally have some fault in them. This is ESPECIALLY TRUE if the player lasted through the entire first round of free agency and THROUGH the draft. It means that all the teams in the league are wary of him, not just the 49ers.

If he were truly a stud, some team would have picked him up. If he was really a diamond in the rough, I’m sure the Patriots would be more interested. Spikes being a stud or elite player, especially at this stage in his career, is just a huge pipe dream.

by sfgfan on Jun 5, 2008 9:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"I always want more elite players", who doesn't?

But see there’s this thing called the salary cap, oh and then there are those 31 other teams, that make signing elite players a little difficult.

by methodrampage on Jun 5, 2008 9:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One Player Away

We are one player away from making the 49ers serious contenders.

Not that they can’t do without the addition of one more elite player to be serious contenders, but that is just a thought.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 5, 2008 9:04 AM PDT   0 recs

One player?

If the 49ers are one player away, it is NOT a “Ted” linebacker. That one player would be a starter-quality quarterback.

by sfgfan on Jun 5, 2008 9:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, but I disagree

As currently constructed, the Niners would need a Pro Bowl starter-quality quarterback for them to be considered a serious contender. The team is simply too young and still under going too much transition at this point.

by methodrampage on Jun 5, 2008 9:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pro Bowler

I was thinking that, but left it out, for whatever reason. We’re basically on the same page.

by sfgfan on Jun 5, 2008 9:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Difference Maker

One player can be a difference maker, if he has a monstrous, pro bowl type of year. That, to me, is one player away.

If it takes a (Kentwan) Balmer, who had 3.5 sacks in his senior year, and a (Justin) Smith who had 2.0 sacks in 2007, then these two players have to make up the difference.

But if we have that one player, an elite NFL player who will make the difference, along with these two guys, that will do.

And Isaac Bruce.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 7, 2008 10:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

I guess you must have missed my point. I’m basically saying that no SINGLE DEFENSIVE PLAYER is going to make this team a competitor. The ONLY position that an elite playmaker (who has as “Pro Bowl type year”) is quarterback. Defensively, they’re already pretty good, and an elite player (especially a “Ted”) is not going to stop the offense from going three and out.

by sfgfan on Jun 9, 2008 10:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Filling Up Roster with Godspeed

In the off-season, we have to grab the best players available in the market before other teams snatch any quality player. If not elite, we want quality. Of course, my pipe dream is a roster filled with elite players all the way through.

A nice dream to pass the nights.

Reality is what we have to endure passing the days.

"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."

by 16to80endzone on Jun 5, 2008 10:35 AM PDT   0 recs

For the love of everything holy, please start using the reply feature. Notice how everyone’s posts, except yours, indent off the post they are replying to?

As for this post, what the fuck? No one in the league wants Spikes, haven’t you noticed that? We would end up paying him 2.5 million, to likely play 2 games before he gets hurt, at a position he’s probably not any good at.

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by marcello on Jun 5, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can you please use the + reply option found at the bottom of the comment that you’re looking to reply to?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jun 5, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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