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Glass much more than half full: Who do the 49ers have to beat?

If I had to classify myself, I'd say I'm somewhere between a realist and an optimist.  For example, using this year as an example I think 8-9 wins is a possibility for the 49ers.  What would that kind of prediction make me?  My guess is just above realist but not quite a crazy-eyed optimist.  We've looked at the 49ers schedule several times whether it be the gambling look or early win/loss predictions.

Today I've thought of one more opportunity to look at the schedule.  I think most of us would agree that the 49ers chances of making it to the playoffs are not all that great.  It would definitely be an optimistic, glass at least 3/4 full approach to consider that possibility.

One aspect to consider is who the 49ers will need to beat that they would not be expected to beat.  For this, we're going to ignore the 6 divisional games.  I honestly think 3-3 is a reasonable expectation, but that's for another day.  For now I'm going to break down the non-divisional games into three different categories.

1. Must-win even if we're only winning 6 or 7 games this year
Week 3 vs. Detroit
- I know they finished 7-9 last year, but I just cannot get behind them.  I realize Detroit could certainly win this game, but I really would be disappointed by a loss in this game.

Week 14 vs. NY Jets - I think our defense can handle the passing game and their rushing attack leaves much to be desired.  Another game I'd be disappointed to lose.

Week 15 @ Miami - Maybe Parcells will turn things around, but it will NOT be happening in year 1.

2. If you want to be a playoff team, you need to win some of these games
Week 6 vs. Philadelphia - The Eagles are going to be tough this year, but I think the 49ers have it in them to swing the upset.

Week 13 @ Buffalo - The Bills are quietly building something rather intriguing up there.  This will be a very tough game, but it is still winnable.

Week 17 vs. Washington - After building a solid defense, the Redskins added more weapons for Jason Campbell via the draft.  I think the Redskins are a playoff bound team

Week 4 @ New Orleans - I think the 49ers could easily get bulldozed in the Superdome, but an upset is not out of the realm of possibility.  The 49ers could be 2-1 at this point and have a little positive momentum, so we'll see.

Week 7 @ NY Giants - Maybe the Super Bowl hangover continues two months into the season.

3. Can we just take a knee to avoid injuries?
Week 5 vs. New England - I honestly just don't want to get embarrassed.

Week 12 @ Dallas - As much fun as it would be to go into Big D and shock the Cowgirls, I think they've just got too much talent.  Hopefully I'm wrong on this one.

So looking at those 10 games, let's do a little math.  If the 49ers go 3-3 in the division and win the category 1 trio of must-wins, they're 6-3.  Using last year as a baseline, 9-7 was sufficient to get a team into the playoffs.  That means winning three of the category 2 games.  None of them is an easy game, but like I said before, if you want to take the proverbial next step, you have to step up and win games you wouldn't necessarily win as an "average" team.

Once again, this is most definitely a glass half full look at things.  If the 49ers went 9-7 or even 8-8 I think most of us would be quite happy.  I'd say I'd be very happy with 8-8 and damn near ecstatic with 9-7.  It's a shame we settle for average to slightly above average, but as they say, you've got to take baby steps.

So would you agree with my assessment on the different categories of games?  I think the Saints and Giants games could both be especially tough, but not so much as to be virtually guaranteed losses.

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I like the positive flow

To me it comes down to this: Let us forget the opponents for a minute; the Niners have to not beat themselves. Then, then, the sky is the limit.

Good day.

Fooch, when the aliens land and say, "Take me to your leader," I'm taking them to you!

by jfainsf49 on Jul 15, 2008 6:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My own classifications

Fooch I would agree with your catagories but I think I would make it into four catagories as follows.

Must wins – Miami, Jets

2/3rd wins these are teams that I think if we played them 3 games we should win 2 of 3 – Detroit, Buffalo, Philadelphia

2/3rd loses just the opposite of the previous catagories that if we played them 3 times we should lose 2 of 3 – Redskins, Giants, New Orleans

Will lose- teams that would probably beat us 9 times out of ten – Cowgirls, Patriots

Under this thinking and assuming a 3-3 record in the division that puts us at 8-8 and another year of Nolan and Smith.

Tom will never be as cool as Joe

by wader251 on Jul 15, 2008 8:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am very optimistic about this season, but last season is still fresh in my mind so I try not to be too optimistic. I don’t think 8-9 wins is a stretch for this season. It is a little sad that we would be so thrilled with a .500 season but it would be a giant stepping stone for this team. I think this team lacks some confidence (well except for the Duke) and I think a decent season would help build some confidence and skyrocket this team to the next level.

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Jul 15, 2008 10:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Optimistic

I think if you saw my post about early season predictions you would see that I am going into this season with an extemely optimistic eye.

I know you said we'd talk about divisional games later, but I think now is a good time to bring them up to fully assess the possibility of us going 8-8 or 9-7. I truly believe we can win more than just an even split in the division. Even if we only sweep one of the teams, it would improve our record to a possible 10 win season. Plus, depending on who we beat out, and who is on top of the division it's like winning 2 games.

Let’s also talk Dallas….I think by week 12 our D will be as good as it’s going to get during the season. (if we’re healthy and that little thing called pass-rush is solved. Which I have a really good feeling about, with the additions of Smith and Lawson, and TBC coming off the bench.) We all know what kinds of mistakes quarterbacks make when they’re under pressure. Plus our corners will be playing physical, you know Lockdown is looking forward to playing TO, he’ll be ready for him. Hopefully our offense is all on the same page by then too….the real question mark on the entire season, but the way I see it, it had to of gotten better from last season, no way it doesn’t. You can only go up from practically being last in every offensive category.

My optimistic prediction is to go 11-5, the opposite of last years record….without any concern of a let down. Not really trippin if they don’t meet my lofty expectations. I’ll be stoked just to be watching some football.

Do you think 8-8 is good enough for the playoffs? Or will we have to do better to win in our division? What are the chances of a wild card entry?

by #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. on Jul 15, 2008 2:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs?!

In all seriousness, 8-8, unless it wins the division, will not get this team into the playoffs. If the team wants a realistic (read: promising) position for playoffs, they would need to go 10-6. Only one of the four wildcard teams claimed their spot with a 9-7 record, and that may not cut it this season. I just don’t think 10-6 is a very achievable record for this team. It’s definitely possible, but like how so many things went wrong for them last season, so many things would have to go right for them to achieve that this year.

by sfgfan on Jul 15, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but....

I agree that 8-8 is probably not gonna get us into the playoffs, but I do think 9-7 in the NFC West…. youve got a pretty good chance if you win most of your divisional games. In my opinion, the QB position was just in schambles last season due to injury….we had to resort to 4th string at one point, probably even thinking about throwing Michael Robinson in there at QB….thats what really went wrong. When Alex had a full season without injuries and a decent coordinator in 2006 we went 7-9….so to me, barring injuries, we’ve got all the weapons and an improved defense to improve upon that record. I think there’s quite a bit more to be optimistic about this season than the last when everyone was picking us as the “sexy pick” to make the playoffs.

by #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. on Jul 15, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Optimism

Even before Smith got hurt, he was showing signs of a QB who was too analytical and not very reactionary. He’s often too cerebral and doesn’t flash his natural talent enough. Heck, you would think that with his skill set, he could pass for a poor man’s version of Steve Young or a more intelligent version of Vince Young. Instead, Smith is a quarterback who holds the ball too long and got punished for it.

I don’t think people are pessimistic about Smith because he sucked in the performances AFTER he got hurt. I think a lot of people are down on Smith because he didn’t continue his upward curve BEFORE he got hurt. That is, at least why I’m more cautious this year with him than I was before last season.

Besides, injuries are going to happen. It’s not always that your budding star LB (I know, Willis was the star last year, but people expected great things from Lawson) AND your hopeful star QB (which is not hopeful AVERAGE QB) are hurt in the same year, but it happens. There’s no guarantee that Sims and Jennings don’t both get hurt and the 49ers are trotting out inexperienced players at RT or LG (because Snyder moved to RT).

It’s not that I’m not optimistic. I’m just not as optimistic as I was before last season.

by sfgfan on Jul 15, 2008 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He still went 7-9...

Analytical or not, 7-9 is not bad considering the previous 2 seasons….I think Alex gets it together this season, under the watch of Martz (who I’ve seen in videos to be stressing the getting rid of the ball aspect.) It sounds like he’s pretty much always yelling in his ear to let it go. Better Defense, more weapons, better coaching = better record.

by #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. on Jul 16, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better?

While I wouldn’t disagree that the team POTENTIALLY has better weapons and coaching, that’s left to be decided at a later time. You just don’t know for sure how the weapons will respond to the coaching. Who’s to say Smith and Hill will have Martz’ system figured out in a month? Heck, who’s to say they’re going to have it figured out by the end of the season?

On top of that, there’s no guarantee that the defense is better. The pass rush is a serious issue that people aren’t just throwing around for the heck of saying there’s a problem with something. I understand excitement in Justin Smith’s arrival and the return of Manny Lawson, but it’s hard to believe that those two players generate enough optimism to think that this team will even be league-average in terms of pressure and sacks. Lawson, before he got hurt, wasn’t being used as a pass-rusher very much. He lined up on the strong side because he’s able to fall back into coverage, and that’s essentially what he did. Similarly, while Smith may do a good job of occupying blockers, it not like BY or Douglas were huge slouches in that area, either.

So yeah. This team MAY be better, but I doubt it is much more than 3 wins better than last season, let alone 5.

by sfgfan on Jul 16, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Divisional Games

I don’t know why my line about divisional games looks like that but, it states : I believe we can do better than to just split the series at 3-3, even if we did one game better it would put us in a better position to win the division, especially if we swept the leader whoever that may be.

by #1TE.BadCaseofV.D. on Jul 15, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle

While I think Seattle has been way overrated this past summer (can you even call a team most people are projecting to go 10-6 overrated?), I think they are the 49ers biggest threat to splitting their divisional series. I think the 49ers can definitely split with the Cards and Rams, but not much more than that. I just think that it’s very likely the 49ers will lose both games against Seattle, and that makes their divisional record 2-4. Hence, I think 3-3 is a fair prediction, and a potentially optimistic one at that.

by sfgfan on Jul 15, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think 8-8 is good enough for the playoffs?

No. Considering the Browns couldn’t make the playoffs at 10-6 last year, and yes I realize that they’re in a different conference, but I still don’t think 8-8 will get into the playoffs unless the rest of the NFC West finishes below .500.

by methodrampage on Jul 16, 2008 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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