Culpepper? Still out there why not niners
Maybe I'm just not happy with our current qb situation but wouldn't it be fitting to work out culpepper or even leftwich. Or heres an Idea Kurt Warner could possibly be dealt. Please SF make somthing happen. Im a fan and will always be a fan but what happend to the win now attitude you can only rebuild for so long. Obviously we have the recievers in place IE. Josh Morgan very impressive our defense is way better then a few years ago but still we are weak at a position were the niners were know for QB.
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Well, we’re not going after Culpepper because he’s not very good. We’re not going after Leftwich for more or less the same reason. And we’re not going after Warner for the same reasons we didn’t go after Favre… and because as far as I know, he’s not even available. In fact, as far as I know, Leftwich isn’t available either. I don’t know anything about Culpepper at the moment, apparently…
I’m all for getting a good quarterback, if it means we’ll have a good quarterback for more than one or two seasons. I don’t see how any of these would do that. Leftwich is the only one of those who could be potentially long-term… and his play has regressed so severely over the last year and a half that I can’t believe it would be worthwhile.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 10, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what your saying to an extent, However I believe culpepper has somthing left in him. Leftwich is workin out with the steelers possibly due to the recent injury of batch. And in a recent interview during there preseason game Warner said he would love to start and if that meant going to a different organization then he would. I can’t think of a better fit for a martz offense. But who nows maybe alex will wake up one day and relize he’s a good qb and we can start winning games.
by crazytoon on Aug 10, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"However I believe culpepper has somthing left in him."
What has lead you to that opinion? Culpepper hasn’t proven that he’s any kind of QB without Randy Moss. It’s my opinion that Culpepper is truely a one trick pony who had the benefit of playing with one of the greatest WR of all time and perhaps the best deep threat WR ever. Culpepper also has really looked less than impressive since injuring his knee. So unless you’ve just got a hunch I don’t see any reason to believe that Culpepper has anything left in the tank.
by methodrampage on Aug 11, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
QB NEEDS
Ya we shouldn’t pick up a hall of fame quarterback if hes 38 years old, we shouldn’t make a move for a super bowl MVP QB if he cant give us more than two years, as a matter of fact we shouldn’t pick up any Quarterback unless they can guarantee five or more seasons and five super bowl championships.. It is always better to sit on your hands, do nothing, and hope for the best because eventually things will workout in your favor..
in the NFL you either improve or you DIE!!
by youngbuckeroo on Aug 11, 2008 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, and Kurt Warner has really helped an Arizona team over there that’s just steeped in talent.
And also, I don’t think you’ve got the right idea. How many really good NFL teams come equipped with quarterbacks that they picked up for one or two flash in the pan years? Let me think about the teams in the NFL that have been really good:
New England: QB Drafted
Indy: QB Drafted
Pittsburgh: QB Drafted
NYG: QB Drafted
Jags: QB Drafted
Dallas: QB Drafted
Seahawks: Traded for Hasselback years ago as a long term solution
San Diego: QB Drafted (and a drafted QB before that who started things rolling)
You can even add a few borderline teams like the Eagles (who have been awfully good for a while and went to the Super Bowl… with a drafted QB!), the Redskins (Drafted QB), the Titans (Drafted QB, and before that a drafted QB in McNair), the Bengals (drafted QB), the Saints (signed Breed as a long term solution), and the Browns (Drafted QB).
NOW: How about a look at some of the team’s that have picked up short term “star” QBs as solutions:
Ravens: signed McNair… FAIL
Dolphins: signed Culpepper… FAIL
Cardinals: signed Warner… FAIL
Lions: signed Kitna… FAIL
The only “short term / win now solution” successes that I can even think of in the recent past are Tampa Bay (Garcia) and maybe Denver (Plummer).
LESSON: Short term stopgaps at QB don’t work very well at the NFL level. To build a good team, you almost exclusively have to build for long term success at the QB position.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. Hopefully this will stop all this QB talk.
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by marcello on Aug 11, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
which option would you rather see as a 49er fan?
1) 49ers bring in Joe FA, who will certainly be gone from the team in 2 or 3 years, where you can take a shot at the playoffs but have to look for a new QB after that…
or…
2) go through another 4 or 5 year rebuilding period where Jim draftee is picked and groomed for QB, and all you really have is hope that he can become league average one day?
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my whole point of my above post was that bringing is Joe FA who will certainly be gone from the team in 2 or 3 years, where you can take a shot at the playoffs but have to look for a new QB after that actually rarely works, and often just puts you in a situation where you’ve failed for another two years and then have to manufacture another “4 or 5 year rebuild” 2 or 3 years later than you should have.
But there’s also a problem with the idea that it has to take 4-5 years (in QB years). In my above list, how many years did it take each team to get things going with the new QB? NE, Indy, Pittsburgh, San Diego, Jacksonville, NYG… hell, except for Dallas most of those teams started winning within 2 or 3 years of the new QB being on the team.
But it’s also the point that you don’t HAVE to draft. You can go for free agents. But short-term solutions are, more often than not, really solutions in a successful sense. Find a guy in FA who you believe in who you think you can build a team around for a while and go after him. Find a guy you want to trade for who you believe in who you think you can buid a team around for a while and go after him.
But going to FA for a one year fix is a pretty decent recipe for failure.
It’s not about win now vs. wait another five years. It’s about “do it right without panicking and then win for another five to ten years.”
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 11, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its nice to hear logical thoughs said in a non “my-way-or-the-highway” manner.
of course i might be saying this just because i agree with your points.
by good as gold on Aug 11, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casting my vote...
I vote we panic, release Alex Smith now, mercilessly beat up Shaun Hill, and just stop paying JT O’Sullivan (we FIXED… The glitch). Then we make a panic trade, giving up our first round draft pick for Kurt Warner because A) He’s familiar with the Mike Martz offense, B) he’s over 45 years old and therefore loaded with gamer savvy, and C) I don’t have a C, so I’ll stick with A and B.
Daunte Culpepper gets signed to be the backup quarterback.
3rd stringer is JT O’Sullivan. If we’re not paying him, and he keeps showing up anyway, we might as well use him to carry a clipboard until he wises up. Once he stops showing up, then we can look for a new 3rd stringer. Maybe a panic tag-team of Michael Robinson/Arnaz Battle?
It’s FOOLPROOF!
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by JRPhillips on Aug 11, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great line!
Whoah, just a second there professor….
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by Fooch on Aug 11, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B) he’s over 45 years old and therefore loaded with gamer savvy
Hey, we’re not talking about the Giants here.
Trent Kline: Decentish. Also, my website is called ChatterBalks Dot Com and on it I make jokes about things.
by groug on Aug 14, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamers
The SF treat!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 15, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, it is possible to get a QB that will spur winning immediately...
But as many teams listed in your post that had that happen, there are twice as many that tried but had the QB bust. I could theoretically see this happening with the 49ers (winning, that is), since there are many parts in place for a good team…but you really have to stumble on an exceptional QB to do that.
and often just puts you in a situation where you’ve failed for another two years and then have to manufacture another "4 or 5 year rebuild" 2 or 3 years later than you should have.
Agreed, and I do understand. I guess I am still wishing they had gone after Favre, because it seemed like a perfect situation. With Smith being under contract for a couple more years anyway, and assuming he isn’t THE ANSWER, they could have brought him in and then rebuilt after that (or trade/sign a long-term answer), which they would have had to do anyway if they stuck with Smith. But that train has left the station.
So…how does Vick in ‘10 sound? ;)
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm ex convict Mike Vick…I think the Cowgirls already have him on speed dial when he gets out
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by 49erLou on Aug 11, 2008 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
youngbuckeroo...
You realise that you’re crazy, right? Look, hate all you want, but Smith was injured last year and Hill has started two games with good results. Throw O’Sullivan in if you want and he’s never started
Why not give one of these people a chance and chalk this up as a rebuilding year? If they work, they work. If not, we draft a QB (Stafford or Painter, not Tebow) next year.
by Rishi on Aug 11, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably
because they have been rebuilding for 4 or 5 years already, and it’s reasonable that the Smith experiment has failed?
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it now? The guy has been in the league for three years. His first year sucked, his second year showed improvement, and he got injured in his third season.
No one said hand him the starting job. But whoever wins out of this messed-up QB derby – let them play out the year. If that QB shows potential, keep going. If they don’t, then draft a QB.
by Rishi on Aug 12, 2008 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and what of the three games Smith started before being injured?
Did those just magically not happen? And what about being beat out by JT O’Sullivan in preseason? If you think he’s going to magically turn into a 15-23, 230 yards, 2 TD kind of QB…well I’ll just say you have a LOT more faith than I.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 12, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played well against the Cards and Rams in clutch, which is what’s important. Yes, his stats were mediocre, but the way he managed the game-winning drive at the season opener was great.
He had a decent game against the Steelers, nothing spectacular.
I honestly think this season would have gone by quite differently had he not gotten so badly injured.
by Rishi on Aug 12, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly think this season would have gone by quite differently had he not gotten so badly injured.
I guess we shall just have to wait and see.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 12, 2008 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh
I thought I went too far with the whole “let’s get Favre” thing. This is just stupid. He had one or two good years, and has been plagued with injuries since. Keep this in mind: the Miami Dolphins, who have had infinitely worse QB problems than the 49ers, wouldn’t keep him. That should be pretty telling.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2008 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
rishi
Just a question for you.. what rebuilding year are we in now???? this is the reality we are in right now, this team meaning the forty niners, is just one player away from contending this year, in this division… we have a great running back, a great TE, decent recievers, and a defense featuring one of the best linebackers in the league.. you wanna sit on your hands and rebuild?? well while you do, this core of players gets one year older.. Call me crazy but i believe that upgrading our QB position would actually give us a chance to compete.. Get a veteran for one year, two years, whatever at least we compete, hoping to suck and draft a QB next year, means more time for this core of players to fall apart.. then what?? you’ll say we need to rebuild our RB’s, our Defense.. really it doesn’t matter because it’s too late.. But i must say your opinion is not worth the empty space its typed on, any time someone says, “Why not give one of these people a chance and chalk this up as a rebuilding year? If they work, they work. If not, we draft a QB (Stafford or Painter, not Tebow) next year.. Chalk up the season as a rebuilding year!!!!!!!! WHAT??? go tell that to Frank Gore, or any of the other players risking life and limb to succeed. or how about us season ticket holders paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars for tickets??? i expect the team to do all it can to succeed.. not just hope we draft the next Joe Montana, how soon you forget we drafted ALEX SMITH!!!!! good point buddy
by youngbuckeroo on Aug 11, 2008 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
As bad as your suggestion was to bring in Cullpepper, you have summed up my exact feelings about this team in this post. Most people around here either fall into 2 categories: (1) give Smith one more year to see if he works or (2) draft a QB and keep rebuilding. Unless you’re a diehard Smith supporter, I think everyone knows in the deepest parts of their brain that Smith is not going to bring the Lombardi trophy to SF again. I really don’t see what you all have been looking at to think otherwise.
If the team drafts another QB, the likelihood of having another 4 or 5 year rebuilding period is about 90%, and by the time this new QB is hopefully at a point where he is adequate, a lot of the team’s superstars will have left or will be past their prime. Maybe you guys just have more patience than I do, but I don’t feel like it’s reasonable to go through another rebuilding period, after all the time and money they have devoted in building a pretty good team outside of its QB.
Culpepper is not the answer, certainly. Favre could have been, but I won’t bark up that tree again. A quick Google search of FA in ‘08 and ‘09 turned up a lackluster pile of has-beens and never-made-its. I have a feeling this team is going to have to make a big trade for a good QB, or rebuild. I see two options here, and neither are all that comfortable.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm...my bad.
You didn’t suggest Culpepper. I thought you were the original poster. So yeah, I agree with pretty much all you’ve been saying.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are not a good QB away from contending. We’re not the Vikings.
Yes, we have a top RB and good TEs, and okay (relative to Niner standards) WRs. The Defense is improving. Does that really sound like a contending team? How about our struggling offensive line?
Face it, our situation is a mess right now. It’s going to take a while to get out of this.
by Rishi on Aug 12, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we have a top RB and good TEs, and okay (relative to Niner standards) WRs. The Defense is improving. Does that really sound like a contending team?
Umm…yeah, pretty much.
STEVE HOLM: Better than Alfonso? Why yes, of course.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 12, 2008 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except...
... Rishi didn’t mention that our offensive (and defensive) line has yet to prove that they are playoff caliber unit. Until guys like Snyder, Baas, Heitmann, Jennings, AND Staley show that they can play together as a solid unit, it really doesn’t matter how good your RB is or how good your QB is. Just ask Brett Favre two years ago.
by sfgfan on Aug 12, 2008 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Calling a team a contender without knowing how well their O and D-lines can perform as a unit is putting the cart before the horse.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 12, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh???
when the last time he had a good season???? It damn sure it been awhile. haha Hey we should bring in Mike Vick when he get out of prison. lolWe will give him some dogs as a signing bonus too. j/p with you. Anyway, Culpepper isn’t going to solves our qb problem. So, it a pass for me.
by warriorfan4life on Aug 11, 2008 7:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO
YA BRING IN VICK!!!!!!!! LOL!!!
by youngbuckeroo on Aug 11, 2008 8:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wow I had no Idea bringin that up would spark such different opinions. It is amazing to see so many of you have already given up on the niners season this year and want to just keep waiting around for somthing to happen. Bill Walsh is rolling over in his grave right now. Clearly Alex Smith, J.T., or Hill is not gonna win games. And trading or pickin up a FA is not a bad idea so he only sticks around for a couple years at least the other QB’s on are roster can learn from a Veteran. Its part of football Learn from a Veteran well at least it used to be. You think Steve young would of been shit if he didn’t sit and watch Joe, or even Elvis ya he went to KC But he learned from a Vet (maybe not the best exp with Elvis but he had some sucess). Guys like Tom Brady sat Behind Bledsoe. All I’m saying is address the problem get a QB win games.
by crazytoon on Aug 13, 2008 9:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Before you criticize another groups’ point of view(s), how about you understand what it is they’re trying to say and FIRST counter those points. You’re basically looking at other people’s VERY VALID concerns and basically saying “well you’re wrong.”
First of all, HTS put in a VERY good post on how bringing in a ringer doesn’t necessarily translate to success, EVEN IF you are looking for success immediately. The QB has to learn a new system, new teammates, and all the while adjust to a new “home.” And you suppose this quarterback is supposed to do this with three preseason games left before the regular season? The odds are REALLY stacked against him there.
This is not to mention the fact there there ISN’T a game breaking QB that’s available (either through a trade OR free agency). This isn’t Madden, you can’t just call up a team and say, I’ll give you my future #1 and #2 for Phillip Rivers. It takes two to tango, and not very surprisingly, teams hold onto the QBs that have talent. Heck, teams will sometimes carry two QBs that can start on other teams (i.e. San Diego two years ago). So WHO do you suppose the 49ers get now?
I guess your counter-point for the following point was implied, but it’d be nice to actually see you say it. Do you really think this team is ONE PLAYER, a QB nevertheless, away from being a Super Bowl team? I sure as heck don’t, and I know there are plenty of people around here who feel the exact same way. There are quite a few very valid reasons for why people feel this way.
As I mentioned in another comment above, the offensive line has shown to be nothing other than fragile and full of holes. They’re young, yes. They’re full of potential, yes. However, this unit lacks experienced depth, which a playoff team NEEDS. If Staley goes down, you either have a cast-off (Sims) or another player made of glass (Jennings) taking over for him. Beyond that, if Baas doesn’t play, you have a career backup (Wragge) or a rookie (Rachal) stepping in. It’s not that there is a shortage of bodies, but there is a shortage of knowledge in what those bodies can actually provide.
The next question mark is the WR group. While it is DEFINITELY improved over last season, the bottom line is still very similar. You have a player that may be washed up (Bruce), a project that has tons of potential (Johnson), and the steady #2/#3 (Battle). Even on paper, this group probably doesn’t instill much fear in anyones eyes, so it’s a very valid concern that the group may (still) not measure up.
The defense still lacks a serious pass rush. The team signed Justin Smith, yes. He’s never been known to be a pass rusher, who’s skill-set may actually be better suited to playing a 3-4 DE (even if he may be a little undersized). The team is still playing with Haralson and Banta-Cain, who have each shown flashes but neither have shown any kind of consistency. Who else is there to pressure the QB? Manny Lawson? The team seems VERY intent on making him a Julian Peterson-like (during his later 49ers years) OLB. They like his athleticism in coverage, so even before he got hurt last year, he was dropping back A LOT. So there you have it, a pass rush that’s dependent on two players who haven’t proven they’re pass rushers, a guy who is learning a new position, and a guy who the team hasn’t used as a pass-rusher.
As we saw in the first preseason game, the defensive line is not a pretty sight either. This is especially true at the nose, where Aubrayo Franklin apparently wanted to leave the door open for the Raiders. Even if they switched to a 4-3, the defensive line would be a serious concern because not only are they borderline against the run, the pass rush then becomes dependent on them.
I know that a few of these question marks may answer themselves this season. I also know we’re all 49ers fans and of course we’d all LIKE for this team to succeed. However, just because we would like that and wish with all our might, it does not change the fact that this team has some VERY valid question marks. This team is NOT one player away from being a competing team, even if that one player is a Brett Favre in his prime. Even in his prime, he struggled if his OL struggled and the Packers struggle when their defense struggled.
by sfgfan on Aug 13, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm JR Phillips
And I approve of this post.
To me, at this stage of the game, what it all really comes down to is this: Ff you think acquiring a veteran QB NOW and making him the starter is going to improve the fortunes of the 49ers, then you probably know less about football than I do.
"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler
by JRPhillips on Aug 13, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only by the grace of you being awake before I am did you get to this first, and you were probably more thorough than I would have been. Clearly, I completely agree with what you’re saying.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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