John Beck?

by methodrampage on Aug 13, 2008 11:15 AM PDT

First off, I'm not on the "JT O'Sullivan is our starting QB? OMG, we're all gonna die!" bandwagon. But the current QB situation is less than ideal and it sounds like Beck is the odd man out in Miami after their acquisition of Chad Pennington. Word also has it that Martz was a pretty big fan of Beck's prior to the draft and actually preferred him over Drew Stanton.

So is anyone else interested in throwing the Dolphins a late round pick for Beck? I know this muddles the QB situation even more and that it would mean the Niners would probably have to carry 4 QBs but I'd rather carry a 4th QB like Beck than a 2nd FB like Keasey. The way I see things, Beck could have a decent chance at possibly emerging as the favorite to start at QB for the Niners in '09, if acquired now.

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I think I would be all for sending a later round pick for him. Do you think something like a 6th or 7th rounder would get it done? Or do you think it’d be more like a 5th? I guess it doesn’t really matter, as the 49ers haven’t had much success with the players they’ve taken in those rounds anyway.

In short, “Yes” to John Beck for a late-round pick.

by sfgfan on Aug 13, 2008 11:30 AM PDT 0 recs

Probably a 6th

I doubt Miami is going to carry 4 QBs with Henne, McCown, and Pennington. So it’s either release him or trade him.

by methodrampage on Aug 13, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

I'd get on board with Beck

He’s young and has the potential to be good for a longer period of time than say… Brett Favre, Jeff Garcia, Kurt Warner, Daunte Culpepper, Chad Pennington… Who am I missing? Anyway, I’d prefer a guy like Beck where there’s a possibility of him being a long-term option.

Like I said before, the SF Giants have really made me irritable towards the notion of trying to sign over-35-year-olds.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Aug 13, 2008 11:40 AM PDT 0 recs

We have too many developmental prospects on our roster – we don’t need another one.

by Rishi on Aug 13, 2008 11:42 AM PDT 0 recs

Beck

I don’t think he’d be “just” another developmental prospect. He’d be a project, just like any other second-year QB would be, but I think he’s got more potential (and potential to realize that potential) than someone like O’Sullivan or Hill.

by sfgfan on Aug 13, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

We don’t really have developmental prospects on our roster, though. Hill is old enough that he has a really short window to prove that he’s more than the league thought he was. He’s basically past the age where the NFL is willing to provide him with “developmental” years. If he’s not going to be good this season, nobody is going to give him a chance afterward except by sheer fluke (kind of like last season).

And O’Sullivan was the starting QB at a minor football program (I can’t remember if he was at Davis before or after they were promoted), who was never scouted highly, doesn’t have a great skill set, and is only in the position he’s in now because he happens to have had the benefits of 1) being a 3rd stringer in the new system, and 2) being available.

Beck is considered to have a higher ceiling, and I would think has a better chance to reach that ceiling (or at least to reach the ceilings of either Hill or O’Sullivan). He’d also be, developmentally, at least year ahead of any QB that (if it comes to that) we draft next season, so we wouldn’t have to wait through as long of a period to evaluate his future with the team.

I think this is a fine idea. Would I prefer being able to sign somebody like Brees, who is established and available long term? Absolutely. Somebody like that simply isn’t available, though. Grabbing beck would be getting a head start on the possibility that we do have to look in another direction at QB next season, and he’s cheap enough that we wouldn’t have to feel beholden to sticking with him if 1) he ends up being crap, or 2) one of our current guys does take the next step this season.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

Finally an interesting QB idea. Beck would be a fine target.

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by marcello on Aug 13, 2008 11:57 AM PDT 0 recs

It's too late...

There is not enough time for him to pick up Mike Martz’s offense (Shit Smith and Hill are still learning it), and honestly Beck is nowhere near being a competent starting QB. I prefer us seeing how this year goes, and if their is still QB problems, next year make a bid for Brady Quinn.

by StrictlyFootball on Aug 13, 2008 1:14 PM PDT 0 recs

I think the problem here is thinking that bringing Beck in is a solution for this season. I think, if anything, he’d be a head start on the possibility that we have to find a solution following this season.

And aside from my own personal feelings about Brady Quinn as a player (and as a douchehead, though I try to keep the two separate), bringing in Beck would in no way stop us from being able to bring in Quinn next season. One does not exclude the other.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 13, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

Well said.

I think that was method’s original suggestion to begin with: Beck as a viable option for 2009. Keyword, option. Looking at the current options, adding Beck would definitely make him one of the front runner’s for the starting job next year, especially if he has a year to learn the offense.

by sfgfan on Aug 13, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

I certainly wouldn’t plan to make him the starter this year, but learning the offense now would be huge. And if the current three guys are catastrophic fails in the first half of the season, Beck might get some play time in later in the season, after learning more of the offense. Personally, I think this is the best quarterback option for anyone who wants to see Alex Smith go away.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Aug 13, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

Personally...

I have never liked John Beck and training him for next year just seems… well… not smart. First off he does not qualify for the practice squad so he would be taking a roster spot from an already cramped 53 man roster. Also bringing him in a year early to learn the offense may sound good but in all honesty, unless they cut a QB, he will not be getting any reps. I know he will still learn the offense but practicing it and knowing it are two different things. Also at this point i would rather have a stud WR to see what are current QBs can do with a competent/legit #1 WR.

by StrictlyFootball on Aug 14, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

It's called due dilegence

Giving up a 6th round pick for a 2nd round pick just over a year ago for a guy who could become your starting QB in a year is far from stupid. It’s low risk and potentially good reward. It is difficult to carry 4 QBs, I’ll give you that, but Fooch is projecting that the Niners keep Keasey and Norris and if that’s the case I’d have no problem with the Niners keeping Beck over Keasey. Obviously they would make room for Beck to get his reps if they think he could be the starter next year. What would the Niners loose by giving him half the 2nd team reps and Smith or Hill the other half?

by methodrampage on Aug 14, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

A high pick....

There is no way the Dolphins are parting with Beck unless it’s a second round pick. And for me, personally, I would rather fix our O-line and solidify it before I threw another QB back there. Honestly I think it was Smiths continuous beatings the first year that has scared him to hang back in the pocket and have constant happy feet. Also I would, again personally, prefer Brady Quinn, Drew Stanton or Kevin Kolb. I’ve seen what Beck can do and I was not impressed in the slightest, Stanton has experience in Martz’s offense and he, in pre-season games, has always performed well. Brady Quinn I feel is just bursting to come out and play and he, just like Stanton has performed very well in the pre-season. Kolb is a mere after thought but I have always been impressed by his quick release. But I think if our QBs due suck wind than we should draft a QB, I mean Pat White, Colt Mccoy , perhaps Tim Tebow, theirs is a lot of good prospects that are and may be coming out this year.

by StrictlyFootball on Aug 14, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up 0 recs

Can anyone tell me...!

Can anyone tell me why we should draft Beck?! He had a worse year than Alex Smith had his first year. What has Beck done to warrant such high praise and what has he shown so far that warrants a second round pick. I mean just because the guy was a semi high draft pick last year doesn’t mean he will be great. Time and time again that “myth” has been broken. Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Marc Bulger, and so on were not taken that high. What has Beck done to garner so much attention? Also who knows if one of our QBs does bust out and has a great year and getting Beck was just a waste of a second round pick. Let’s see what our guys can do with our starting WRs before we throw in the towel.

by StrictlyFootball on Aug 14, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

Nobody is saying give up a second round pick for Beck except you, and I don’t see why it would take that much. Didn’t Jason Taylor get traded for a freaking second round pick? And he’s going to be starting, and possibly starring on that defense. At this point, John Beck as NOWHERE near that level of value for the Dolphins. He would come for significantly less.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

Exactly

The question posed was, would you give up a late round draft pick to get him. The answer for most of us is, yes. I agree, giving up a second round pick seems like a waste of a higher draft pick, but a sixth rounder for due diligence? I’m down with that. It’s a win-win situation. If Keasey gets bumped, or even O’Sullivan or Hill (I don’t think Smith gets released), I just can’t imagine losing a lot of sleep over it.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Aug 14, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up 0 recs

He might already be cut?

Via Palm Beach Post.

So the Dolphins won’t trade him for anything less than a 2nd round pick but they’d consider releasing him outright. And you’ve seen what Beck can do on what stage? I don’t know if you can judge him based on his playing time with the Dolphins if we did that for Smith there’s no way he would have been back for his 2nd year. Why are you even bringing up QB that teams are even looking to move? That doesn’t make any sense. Quinn blows FYI, but maybe thats why you like him so much.

by methodrampage on Aug 14, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

Brady Quinn?

No thanks. He’s not going anywhere and he’d cost a hell of a lot more next year then Beck would cost now. There’s a definate advantage of having a QB learning Martz’ system for a year than not.

by methodrampage on Aug 13, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up 0 recs

Um… we’re more likely to get Derek Anderson than Brady Quinn.

Which is fine by me. The same strategy worked for the Saints.

by Rishi on Aug 14, 2008 7:53 AM PDT up 0 recs

Hmmm...

I don’t know. I don’t even know if the Browns even know what they have in Quinn. If time came and they had to choose between Anderson and Quinn, the decision would probably be a lot tougher than the Rivers vs Brees conversation. Brees had an injury past, remember?

by sfgfan on Aug 14, 2008 8:24 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yes, but if Anderson doesn’t lead the Browns to the playoffs, Quinn is going to become QB.

Just think about how popular Quinn is in Cleveland – his jersey is the number one-selling Browns jersey and he’s not even a starter.

There’s no way the Browns are going to hold onto Quinn for much longer without starting him.

by Rishi on Aug 14, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up 0 recs

what makes you think

the Browns WONT make the playoffs though? the roster is certainly talented enough, and their division is competive but outside of the steelers I dont think anyone else can win it.

by sam23 on Aug 14, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

Division + schedule is too tough, Steelers are gonna take the division.

The Browns have too tough a schedule (rising Bills team, on-the-rise Broncos, and the entire AFC South + NFC East) to finish with a good enough record to earn a wildcard spot.

by Rishi on Aug 14, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

I think this is also going to be a very interesting year for Anderson. He had a very, very flawed second half of the season last year thet gets really overshadowed by what he did in the first half. It’s still extremely unclear which is the real Anderson. He might just play himself out of having any significant value with anybody. Or, he might continue being an All-Star.

I’ll be watching with interest.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up 0 recs

Anyone please

J GO

by youngbuckeroo on Aug 13, 2008 3:51 PM PDT 0 recs

If we could dump Hill or Smith

then absolutely

by sam23 on Aug 14, 2008 3:14 PM PDT 0 recs

So you’re totally on board with O’Sullivan, then? I’d be wary about eating the preseason cookies before they were baked… not because the cookie dough isn’t good or anything, but just because, well… this analogy is going nowhere. I should have just said “drinking the preseason koo-aid” and have been done with it…

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 14, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

Hey

I’m a UC Davis guy. I’ve been on board with O’Sullivan since he signed. And its not so much that I’m eating the O’Sullivan cookies or drinkin the J.T. koo-aid as much as it is that I just really dont see Smith or Hill guiding us to any more wins than JT would. I’m not sayin JT is takin us to the playoffs….that pick he threw up in the right corner near the goal line in the raider game was “mind bottling.” My mind still feels like its in a bottle.

by sam23 on Aug 15, 2008 1:30 AM PDT up 0 recs