Shaun Hill?
If you've read any of my comments, you know I am not a fan of O'Sullivan as starting QB for a number of reasons. Like a number of 49ers fans, I'm hopeful that Alex Smith can be who we wanted him to be, but was also impressed with Shaun Hill's performances, no matter how weak the defenses, in his starts. There's seriously a possibility that Shaun Hill can be our "diamond in the rough", our discovered talent. Yes, he doesn't practise well, but he plays well in game situations, makes plays, and protects the ball.
The reason I'm bringing this up is it seems Shaun Hill is becoming the odd-man out in this joke of a QB derby. O'Sullivan got one start in a preseason game against the Raiders and was terrible. Smith can't get the start in the next preseason game because he has to go to his friend's funeral. What about Hill? Why is O'Sullivan starting again against the Packers? Are people seriously forgetting how Hill somewhat salvaged our season last year?
If O'Sullivan will be promoted just because he knows Martz' complciated system, then this isn't a fair competition. Give Hill a starting chance in the preseason. Come on.
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HEEZ COMPETITION SUKED! NO CREDIT TO HILL!
I’m pretty much with you, I think he earned the spot last year, especially if Smith is underperforming in preseason.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 15, 2008 8:32 AM PDT 0 recs
O'Sullivan awful?
Was O’Sullivan that awful? He made some bad plays, but he certainly showed a few things given that it was the first preseason game of the year. I certainly didn’t like that jumping toss back to the running back, but I liked what he did with Josh Morgan. I’m not on the O’Sullivan bandwagon, but I am willing to see what he can do against a tough Packers defense in the first half this Saturday.
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by Fooch on Aug 15, 2008 8:43 AM PDT 0 recs
I didn’t think he was “awful” but he in no way made me feel good. The one advantage he supposedly has over the others is knowing how to run the system. And I do realize that the rest of the offense is still learning the system too, but we were very out of sync. Outside of the aforementioned throws to Morgan, I didn’t see anything to get excited about. And if that is with the QB who knows what he is doing, then I’m not hopeful that the offense will be any good until a few games into the season.
by lacrosse_cat on
Aug 15, 2008 8:54 AM PDT
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No one is saying to throw O’Sullivan into the sea; just, he’s had his chance to start, now give Hill a chance to start in the preseason.
I’ve heard a lot of Lions fans talk about how Martz pushed O’Sullivan as the backup QB and now Martz is trying to push O’Sullivan as the starting QB. Maybe he sees something that no one else does, but there’s “giving a chance” and there’s overcompensating. This is the latter.
PS, http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/around_the_nfl/post/Opinions-vary-on-49ers-QB-job;_ylt=AjjA2mZdMmL.AhbhpU9fUpNDubYF?urn=nfl,100938
Seems like players like Hill too.
by Rishi on Aug 15, 2008 9:24 AM PDT 0 recs
What a useless blurb.
According to Matt Maiocco yesterday, most players on the 49ers roster are staying out of commenting on the QB situation. Who is Jason Cole and what access does he have to the 49ers locker room? I mean, how would he get a bit of information no other beat report is reporting?
As for the opposing GM on how Alex Smith isn’t accurate, it’s a very… stupid comment. While it could be fair to say that Alex Smith is inaccurate (which he is, at times), it’s kind of goofy to use the argument that Smith “will throw two good passes and then miss on the third. That’s what he has always done.” Last time I checked, 2/3 as a passing percentage for QBs is very good, no?
As I said yesterday (I forget what post/fanpost/fanshot it was), I think the team wants to see more of O’Sullivan. Not because they think he’s the front runner or anything, but maybe the team already has an idea on what they have in Hill and Smith? It’s very possible Hill or Smith will get the call in the next preseason game.
by sfgfan on
Aug 15, 2008 10:32 AM PDT
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2/3 comment
You’re right. I noticed the comment about 2/3 of his passes being good. That’s just stupid talk.
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by Fooch on
Aug 15, 2008 10:48 AM PDT
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“maybe the team already has an idea on what they have in Hill and Smith?”
I hope that’s the case. I mean, we have an idea of what Smith is like healthy and with a good OC and what Smith is like unhealthy with a useless OC (ie last year). But I’m still clueless on Hill. Plus, there’s the wrinkle of Martz’ insanely complicated playbook that I’d like to see everyone run with the first team offense.
I guess if this were last year, my response would be “In Nolan We Trust”. I’m not so sure it’s like that anymore.
by Rishi on
Aug 15, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
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I’m still pretty inclined to read as little into the exhibition rotations as possible. If Hill is getting third string snaps in the next game, I might start to think that the writing is on the wall, but when we’re still this early in the preseason I try really, really hard to be patient with this stuff because it generally means nine different inconsequential things for every consequential thing that shows up. Plus, we still have to see how they actually play this week.
I think I’ll start throwing my hat into the conjecture ring a little more next week, when more time has passed and more things have shaken out.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 15, 2008 12:25 PM PDT 0 recs
It’s not even just the preseason rotations or whatnot. It’s that Hill isn’t getting first-team reps.
Give this guy some practise.
by Rishi on Aug 15, 2008 12:54 PM PDT 0 recs
I know my opinion does not equal the team's opinion, but...
In my opinion, Hill really has no talent. He has a quick release, but as I’ve mentioned around here before (probably not recently at all), Hill didn’t have anything to lose at the end of last season, and that may have affected the way he played. The 49ers were out of contention (long before he took over) and the entire offense was written off as “SUCK.” Hill had no where to take the team but up. On top of that, he is basically a “no-name, nobody” that has been previously ignored/undrafted, and released multiple times.
Pair those two things together and Hill really had nothing to lose. He had no pressure of being a #1 pick and the “future” of the franchise. He had no pressure of having to maintain a winning team while the starting QB was out. He was, literally, able to go out and “sling it.” Whether or not he actually carried that mentality into play last year is all a matter of speculation, but it’s not really that far fetched, right?
Alex Smith had the physical AND mental tools to be a good QB. He has the (somewhat) double-edged-sword-esque trait of wanting to be too perfect. Before training camp began, I was hoping Martz could instill a little more of a relaxed (or kind of gunslinging) mentality in him, as I think it would actually do him good. Because of his “potential” both physically and mentally, I think the 49ers think he CAN be their starting QB, and that, I think, is what is separating him from Shaun Hill.
JT O’Sullivan, like Hill, really doesn’t have anything to lose. On top of that, he has the added benefit of already knowing Martz’s system fairly decently. That, I think, is what’s separating him from Hill.
Basically, I think that when the 49ers supposedly made up Shaun Hill’s tired shoulder excuse over a week ago, they weren’t happy with Hill’s progress and Martz wanted to “re-introduce” O’Sullivan into the mix. The battle, I think, is really between Smith and O’Sullivan now, and I think the team really just wants a good look at O’Sullivan (or at least show the fans how much not-good, or suck he is) before they name Alex Smith the starter again. Like I said, they already know what they have in Smith, and now they need to figure out what they have in O’Sullivan.
by sfgfan on
Aug 15, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
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Shaun Hill...
Has been on one team before the Niners, the Vikings. Even before the Minnesota game, there was buzz about Hill after his preseason performance, especially against the Broncos.
Hill has a quick release, good mobility in the pocket, and he can throw on the run without making stupid mistakes. Here’s the other part – he’s a proven winner. Who else could take a Maryland team to the Orange Bowl? He has a lot of promise – dont’ throw it away prematurely.
This whole “O’Sullivan knows Martz’ system” is really nonsense. It takes time to learn a system. It doesn’t mean you give up on a QB because he doesn’t know a system yet. Seriously, that’d be like giving Clemens the starting bid over Favre in New York because Clemens “knows the system”.
by Rishi on
Aug 15, 2008 2:50 PM PDT
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Weird...
I could have sworn I read that Hill had been practice squaded by the Vikings previously, which would mean he had to have been cut first. My mistake.
As for proven winner, Smith tore through things in Utah, Jake Plummer was a Bill Walsh favorite coming out of college, and Rex Grossman starred at Florida. Being good in college doesn’t translate to success in the NFL, and that should be fairly obvious. Heck, if Hill was THAT good coming out of college, someone should have drafted him in the seven rounds of the draft in 2002 (or ~200 picks), but they didn’t, so there have to be some kind of concerns surrounding him.
As for your last point, I totally agree. It DOES take time for a QB to learn a system, and we see that first-hand with Alex Smith. If Smith had one offensive coordinator for his first three seasons, he would probably be a lot better off than he is right now. Because he didn’t get that opportunity, however, the 49ers (or namely, Mike Nolan) are at a crossroads. Nolan needs to win to save his job, so he can’t really afford to “take time” for his QB to learn the system. He needs someone that can provide instant returns, and someone who knows the system (even if it was only one years worth of tutelage) definitely has a better shot at that than someone who doesn’t.
I’m not completely writing Hill off, and as I said, my opinion doesn’t necessarily reflect what the 49ers are thinking, but it’s not really that far fetched. If Smith had the same credentials and skill-set as Hill, I’d be inclined to believe that the 49ers would have announced O’Sullivan the starter by now. Except, they don’t have the same credentials or skill-set, and the 24-year old Smith still has “potential” going for him, while the 28-year old Hill may have already seen that bus pull through the terminal.
by sfgfan on
Aug 15, 2008 3:19 PM PDT
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You said “released multiple times” and I just corrected that.
Dont’ get me wrong – I’m not endorsing Hill above Smith, nor am I saying that O’Sullivan is bad (he’s just a target of my frustration). All I’m saying is to give Hill a chance before giving up on him. And it looks like this coaching staff has given up.
by Rishi on
Aug 15, 2008 3:50 PM PDT
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Hill said “it’s been a little while” since Nolan talked with him about where things stands.
So I’m not that only one who has no idea what’s going on with Shaun Hill.
by Rishi on Aug 15, 2008 12:56 PM PDT 0 recs
Well, that certainly sounds a bit more like writing on the wall than premature exhibition action. Interesting.
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by howtheyscored on
Aug 15, 2008 1:13 PM PDT
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When camp started I had high hopes for this season…as things have progressed, my hope meter has fallen. It just seems like we are on the path to another mediocre season and alot of times it seems like Nolan has no idea what he is doing. His handling of this whole QB situation has been terrible. It has turned into a joke, and I am starting to realize that this season is probably going to go that way too…
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by 49erLou on Aug 15, 2008 1:10 PM PDT 0 recs
Yeah, I’m on board with you. The handling of the QB situation is making me dread this upcoming season more and more.
by Rishi on
Aug 15, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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My God, put this guy with first-string players, coaches. Give him a chance.
by Rishi on Aug 18, 2008 8:00 AM PDT 0 recs













