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Niners trade for Boldin PLEASE!!!

mite be old news... but anquan boldin has requested to be traded once again. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3543594. The niners should really think about trading for him, adding him would definetly help JT/Alex. Please trade for boldin san fran. Make the bay happy, cuz we been suffering for a long time. He should wear number 81 with us too, another T.O. in the making? But in all seriousness, this is something we should be interested in without a doubt.

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Not only do I agree with this post… but who or what would people suggest would make this trade happen… of course a first round pick but what would the niners lose to gain such an offensive weapon?

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Aug 19, 2008 9:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

picks

You willing to give up a first rounder and however much more for Boldin PLUS sign him to the long term deal he wants?

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by Fooch on Aug 19, 2008 9:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Boldin would be worth a 1st round pick

He’s established himself as a good WR, which is more than the Niners can say about any WR they’ve drafted since TO.

On the other hand, if one is counting on drafting a QB soon, it may not be wise to give it up.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Aug 20, 2008 2:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dont

EVER NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER EVER NEVER trade our 2009 draft pick! for this reason!!!
TIM TEBOW

by hyphy cowboy on Aug 19, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t think your reason is going to convince very many people. Tebow is a DEEPLY flawed player.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 20, 2008 2:16 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah

do not want, Alex Smith x2

by CB30 on Aug 20, 2008 10:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tebow is the Tyler Hansbrough of college football, an extremely talented college athlete, who doesn’t have the skills to transition to the pro level. Someone else already said that on one of these threads, sorry but I can’t remember who and I am way to lazy to go back and search for it, but I agree big time, I am a huge Tar Heel fan and I love Tyler Hansbrough, but I know that he will not be the same dominant player if or when he goes to the pros. The same thing with Tebow, he’s a great fit for the college game and the system he is in, but I honestly don’t see him being a great NFL QB.

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Aug 20, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hansbrough

will be a better pro than Tebow

by sam23 on Aug 20, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i said it

but i may have not been the 1st. DO NOT WANT TEBOW!

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Aug 20, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, I'll bite

I am not at all for drafting Tim Tebow. However…

How is Tim Tebow a “DEEPLY flawed player”?

by Rishi on Aug 20, 2008 4:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Surely we’re not going to rake me over the coals for exercising a little bit of overstatement through the use of all caps. I think the reasons that Tebow is a deeply flawed player – or to be more specific, a deeply flawed prospect in terms of NFL skills at the quarterback position.

I think it’s no secret that Tebow’s claim to fame is his athleticism: or rather, that the guy is huge and runs like a half-back. Now, that’s obviously no knock on his potential. In today’s NFL, the better a QB can run, the more useful he is likely to be considered. There shouldn’t be any question that Tebow is enough of an athlete to play at the NFL level. I was actually very surprised by his college stats because I didn’t realize that he had been as good of a passer in 2007 as he actually had been. It was a very fine year through the air for Tebow. Nearly 67% completion percentage. 32 TDs, 6 INTs.

Like I said, I didn’t realize he had that good of a year. In perspective, though, it was actually (marginally) worse than Alex Smith’s final year at Utah in nearly every significant statistical passing category, but the problem with college stats is that they mean so much less than pro-stats without a scouting edge to them. Alex Smith was criticized for playing in a gimmick offense. Tebow has to have to the same criticism (hell, it’s the same coach!). Tebow is a system QB with a strong arm who has a reputation for doing more damage on the ground than he’s ever done through the air. His accuracy on short and intermediate throws has been called into serious question by scouts. His mechanics are generally reviled, as his footwork is bad and has never improved and his release is very long. All of these are things that will give him trouble at the NFL level.

At best, transitioning from the option offense at Florida to an NFL offense will take him a couple of years. He has the habit of locking onto his receivers and telegraphing his reads. When he’s been forced by defenses to play in the pocket in the past, his vulnerabilities have been exposed, as he’s by far the more effective player when he’s disrupting defenses and making plays outside of the pocket.

As a quarterback prospect, he’s just extremely raw from his mechanics straight to his system experience. He has all of the physical tools, but he’s struggled with his accuracy (despite that shiny completion percentage), and he’s considered by some to be more likely drafted as a fullback than anything else.

He may not be a DEEPLY flawed player. But he’s at least a deeply flawed one. And a serious project for QB at that.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 21, 2008 3:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One more point I don't think you elaborated enough on

From what I’ve seen, he’s more of a power runner than a Young/Cunningham/Vick type runner. He’ll more often than not just plow through the OL, like a halfback, which you mentioned. This running style is much more dangerous for a QB in the NFL than an agility-type runner (for lack of a better term). LB and DL are bigger, stronger, and tackle harder. I don’t see Tebow lasting in the NFL for more than a couple seasons if he keeps that running style. QBs that are known for their running, and are deemed successful, also have a very strong passing game, which as you pointed out, Tebow does not.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Aug 21, 2008 8:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

umm...

I’d much rather have Alex Smith/Anquan Boldin versus Tim Tebow/OUR BEST RECEIVER FROM THIS YEAR

I think I pulled my swagger muscle...

by BawLa on Aug 20, 2008 3:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.

by bayboy on Aug 20, 2008 7:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Reasons for Tebow?

Can you give us reasons for wanting Tim Tebow? Particularly considering he’s not likely to be a QB at the next level.

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by Fooch on Aug 20, 2008 8:04 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tebow is dreamy…

I dunno, I figure after Smith, people would be weary of another Urban Meyer product. Apparently not.

by Rishi on Aug 20, 2008 9:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ehh..

I think he is a great player.. but with the Niners QB position in flux, i don’t think its worth it.. He is obviously unhappy, probably a diva type and we all know what happens to Star egotistical recievers who have no QB to throw to them.. The become unhappy, talk trash and demand trades.. Im looking forward to Josh Morgan, (hopefully) Issac Bruce and Vernon Davis.. If we can get those guys the ball to make plays, i think you may be suprised..

J GO

by youngbuckeroo on Aug 20, 2008 12:21 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hell yeah!

let’s start two former cardinals at wideout!!! but for real, who could we trade to get anquan?

by J2daZ on Aug 20, 2008 1:09 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

umm

why in the world would the cardinals trade a pro-bowl caliber player within their division? we would have to give up a hell of a lot to have him traded to us. if they do end up trading him (which I see doubtful) they will most likely look towards AFC teams

by dandydaniel on Aug 20, 2008 1:35 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is more or less how I look at this. I would love to have a player of Boldin’s caliber on the team, and I likely wouldn’t even remotely complain (at least not right away) if the 49ers managed to wrangle one, even for a high price. But I also can’t get myself to think seriously about transactions that just don’t seem very likely to happen.

I mean, basically, I’d be happy if the 49ers got Boldin. But I’m absolutely not going to burn this mother down if they can’t get him or if they don’t try very hard, and I won’t be caught leading any rallying cry that involves making a move for Boldin, simply because it seems like a very, very unlikely thing to happen, and my energy would be better spent not playing those odds.

So, to sum it up: Boldin would be great, even for a high price. But I don’t think it has a chance of happening.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 20, 2008 2:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well said.

I’m generally against trading high draft picks for someone else’s malcontents, but I don’t have anything against acquiring Boldin. But as you said, I’m not going to be up in arms if it never happens. There’s just too many things that make it highly unlikely. The Cardinals won’t want to trade him, even if he’s asking for it. What’s he going to do, hurt his value to other teams by not playing? If they DO decide to trade him, they’d be more inclined to send him out of the division (as dandydaniel points out). Aside from all of that, the 49ers would probably have to part with a first (and maybe a second rounder) to acquire someone of that caliber at that age (or place in his career), contract situation be damned.

by sfgfan on Aug 20, 2008 8:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bolin

Would be great, but we II think we need to save our draft picks. The man who should wear 81 is JOSH MORGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis

by montasmob69 on Aug 20, 2008 7:41 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

since when

did wearing 81 become a huge privilege?

by sam23 on Aug 20, 2008 1:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm down for trade

We’ll trade J.T. O’Sullivan for Bolding.

by Rishi on Aug 20, 2008 7:51 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bolding?

and J.T. is our starting QB in case you missed it.

by sam23 on Aug 20, 2008 1:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I typed an extra g. Sue me.

And I hate J.T. O’Sullivan (or at least the treatment he’s receiving right now) in case you missed it.

It was a tongue-in-cheek remark.

by Rishi on Aug 20, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

josh morgan is the answer! to hell with Tebow! I think Smith is still our QB for the future, he just needs some time to build his confidence.

by drunk9erfan on Aug 20, 2008 9:06 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

umm...

Brandon Lloyd is the answer!
Antonio Bryant is the answer!
Jason Hill is the answer!
Ashley Lelie is the answer!
Isaac Bruce is the answer!
Josh Morgan is the….. see the pattern here?

by sam23 on Aug 20, 2008 1:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even if Arizona is going to trade Boldin...

they won’t trade him to an inter-division rival. They don’t want to see him two times are year.

Kinda like that Brett Favre thing. I hope people heard about that, since it didn’t get any press coverage or anything

by yapheelme on Aug 20, 2008 11:26 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never really understood the no trading within the division

If you get a good return for your player, why not pull the trigger? It’s one thing if you let him go for nothing, but it’s only two games all year. Plus, you should know his limitations better than anyone, and should theoretically know how to defend him better. The only owners I’ve heard of that don’t follow this rule are the Maloofs in Sacramento, and I applaud them for it.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Aug 21, 2008 8:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the thing though...

While one may think that the haul for a player traded to a division rival may sound/look/be good at the time, there’s really no saying how good it really is until it actually hits the field. This is especially true if you’re trading an All-Pro QB for a future draft pick that could (by chance or by fluke) end up being a mid-to-late first round pick. Not that you can’t find a starter that late in the draft, but not all draft picks are guarantees. The Cardinals would, essentially, be trading a sure thing for a question mark (and an potentially equally expensive and potentially more destructive one, at that).

Of course the same fears can be had if you trade with ANYONE in the league. However, if you lose out in a trade within the division, you see it rubbed into your face twice a season (at least). Even if you know how to stop him (Boldin), it doesn’t mean that you’re actually able to. Last I checked, the Cardinals’ secondary isn’t all that strong, especially at the corners.

by sfgfan on Aug 21, 2008 9:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I think it depends on the situation too

With the Favre thing, if they trade him to the Vikings or Bears, being at the QB position Favre can control a game much more than, say, a WR could. Like you said, the nature of trading lends itself to uncertainty — you know what you have, and you’re willing to give it up for an unknown commodity. Even if what you’re getting is a proven veteran, you don’t know how well they’ll mesh with your team or fit into the system.

Given the nature of uncertainty in trading, it really comes down to having the balls to take chances. If you make a bad trade within the division, sure you’ll get it rubbed in twice a year, but most fans will still rub it in enough if it’s still outside the division. If you have a situation like Boldin, where he’ll be unhappy and potentially a “cancer” on the team, I think you should definitely consider offers within the division, especially if you get perceived equal value. Trading takes guts, and if you’re not trading within the division based on fear, then I don’t think you are going to be a good GM. IMO, you need to assume you’ll eventually make a mistake, but as long as the majority of your other moves are solid, it will be okay.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Aug 21, 2008 9:41 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very good point.

You definitely need some guts to be a GM.

by sfgfan on Aug 21, 2008 9:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trading within the Division

The Cards have just a good of a chance of winning the division this year as the Niners do. Trading Boldin to the Niners would be a big blow to the Cards and a huge upgrade for the Niners. Maybe if the 49ers were a powerhouse playoff lock and the Cards were in rebuilding mode a trade within the division makes sense, but not in this case. I doubt he will get traded, but if he does it will be to the AFC or a team in the NFC whom the Cards don’t see hurting their playoff chances. The Packers used the same logic when they traded Favre.

by enut21 on Aug 24, 2008 6:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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