Exploring the studio space with J.T. O'Sullivan
We're two weeks into the season and any quarterback controversy has officially blown by the way side. Whether people still have a problem or not with J.T. O'Sullivan, he is the guy for the rest of this season. As I've said numerous times, it may be a bumpy ride at times, but there's a reason people keep coming back to the roller coaster.
The win at Seattle aside, there still seem to be divergent attitudes about J.T. O'Sullivan and what he can do for the 2008 49ers. Clearly there is a big issue with his contract being up at the end of the season, but that's a discussion for another day. I wanted to open up the discussion about the talent level of J.T. O'Sullivan and what he brings to and takes away from the table on any given Sunday.
I will admit that JTO has won me over so this will lean more towards defending him than a neutral look at both sides. However, I recognize some limitations to and problems with his game. Rather than list strengths then weaknesses, I'm mixing them together as I think some of his strengths are also his weaknesses, for reasons you'll see below.
"Play-making Ability" - As the game was going on, one of the prevailing comments on tv and in the game thread was how much time JTO was trying to buy in the pocket. It's pretty clear this is both a good and a bad thing. On the good side, if the pocket is collapsing and your QB can escape pressure and make plays on the run, good times for all. JTO did manage 32 rushing yards, while also making some passing plays on the run.
At the same time, in a precision offense like that of Mike Martz, it's usually pretty clear right off the bat what will and won't work on a given play. The Martz offense is not built on improvisation. Mike Nolan addressed this briefly while discussing the eight sacks:
Sometimes quarterbacks will see something that they’ll flush early, things like that if they do. But look it: he made some plays off of those things, too, a couple of times. So it’s hard to be too critical in certain respects because he’s the guy pulling the trigger out there, as we all know. He made some plays. There were seven passes over 20 yards yesterday. Just seven. Four of them, every one of Isaac Bruce’s four catches were over 20 yards and obviously much more than that, some of them, with 153 yards. Players make plays, and I thought that there are times that if he feels the need to come out for something, it’s hard to argue with that on certain things. But, obviously, in watching the film, he’ll see, as they all will, who’s responsible for what.
There were numerous times where we all were yelling at the tv, screaming for JTO to just throw the ball out of bounds. For the most part, when O'Sullivan was completing passes, it was as he stepped up into the pocket and hit the player on his precise route. I want to go back over the game-tape at some point but I can't recall many solid completions to wide receivers coming after a made scramble. More often than not O'Sullivan ended up getting popped for a loss.
Accuracy - One big complaint early on was the accuracy, touched off on the overthrow of Vernon Davis early in the first half. I realize JTO wasn't perfect, but it seemed like other than that he was hitting most of his receivers, quite often right in stride, particularly Isaac Bruce. NN favorite Josh Morgan even had a touchdown for the taking but seemed to short arm the pass.
I would like to take this moment to address Isaac Bruce and his role in the offense and in the development of O'Sullivan. I'd imagine Bruce knows the routes of this offense better than he knows his own kids. The shutout against Arizona was rather surprising, but his performance against Seattle was mighty impressive, particularly considering the talent in Seattle's secondary. Considering the precision of the offense and Bruce's knowledge of the routes, I'd argue that JTO was right on the money, at least in hitting Bruce because he hit him in stride perfectly every time.
Leadership - Prior to him taking over the reigns in training camp, I'd heard he was a dick at Davis and his interactions with the media in training camp only seemed to propel that. However, it sounds like he has taken the bull by the horns with this team:
Gore was asked about O'Sullivan's demeanor in the huddle. Gore said when he calls the play in the huddle, he points to each player and really emphasizes everyone's assignment.
While you can see him get pissed on an incompletion or 3 and out, I don't see him calling out his receivers on tv for messing up routes (although Martz (rightfully so) certainly has no problem with that). It's too early to declare him the leader of the pack, but it sounds like in spite of his relatively solitary nature, he is earning the respect of his teammates. The only mention of Alex Smith that I'll make here is that you never seemed to sense that was happening with him. If it's true that JTO is an arrogant prick, maybe that's exactly what you need sometimes from the quarterback position.
When I began this post I wanted to post a poll, but I think I'd rather just hear opinions. If you still have issue with O'Sullivan I'd love to hear your reasons. Do people still believe his accuracy is a major issue? Currently he's throwing at a 65.4% clip, good for 11th in the NFL. Obviously two games is too small a sample size to make legitimate conclusions. However, my view of the first two games is that while he is certainly overthrowing some receivers, he's making enough plays to make up for that. Am I dead-wrong on that? If you think otherwise, feel free to chime in.
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I hear from some guys that played with him at Davis that he’s kind of a prick, but I honestly think he’s the most talented qb we’ve had in quite some time. Anybody catch that quote during the broadcast by Martz about JT being the most talented QB he’s ever had?
side note-that Terrell Owens guy is good, just moved into second place behind #80 on the TDs by a WR list. Wish we could get a guy like that……
by sam23 on Sep 15, 2008 5:59 PM PDT 0 recs
leadership
JT’s leadership in the huddle and his being an asshole is a great thing. Martz has the same attitude and for his starting QB to have the same swagger about him, that means they’re on the same page and in-house quibbling won’t be as much as last year. This type of attitude is exactly what this team needs from the quarterback position, especially after what we just went through the last three years with Alex (even before that with Rattay). No matter how much of an asshole JT is (up to a certain point of course), his teammates will respond.
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Sep 15, 2008 6:22 PM PDT 0 recs
I don’t see how he’s an asshole. One he’s a gamer, and there is a difference. And two, I’m not sure how much annogance a guy can have after sitting on a bench for 8 years. Cut the dude some slack.
According to the comminsioner of the nfl, 104 people retired last year. 7 due to age, and the rest because of Patrick Willis
by montasmob69 on Sep 15, 2008 7:10 PM PDT 0 recs
GAMER!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on
Sep 15, 2008 8:40 PM PDT
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Cockiness is a GOOD thing
I think you nailed it Fooch. Cockiness is a good thing. In fact, its a necessary thing.
Every great leader in the NFL has a huge ego. Why do you think Montana and Young disliked each other so much? They both wanted to be the guy and thought they deserved it! That may be a simplification of things, but the fact is that gamers want the ball, they want to be the man, and that calls for cockiness.
Now there is a difference between being a bit cocky and being a prick, but the fact that he may or may not have been a prick in college doesn’t really concern me. I know a lot of people who were pricks in college. Most of them mellowed out.
My two cents: there is no comparison between the guy who led the Niners to victory on Sunday and the Alex Smith that we were treated to last year. JT’s so-called accuracy issues (which have not manifested themselves in any significant way so far this season) are nothing compared to Smith’s accuracy issues. He made a habit out of over- or under-throwing wide open receivers 5 to 10 yards downfield.
More importantly, there is just a different feel to the team when JT is playing. Its hard to define, but he carries an air of confidence that compares favorably to the air of desperation that Smith exuded last year. I’m not trying to knock Smith, I feel bad for his injuries and, as many people on this site have rightly pointed out, his failings were not entirely his fault. But for the time being, JT is a winner with good prospects. Smith is not.
Young to Rice. Touchdown.
by Call It The Throw on Sep 15, 2008 7:40 PM PDT 0 recs
Cockiness and Pricks
My opinion of O’Sullivan is one that makes him BOTH a prick and very cocky. We all learn to overlook the fact that he may be a prick but his cockiness backs him up as he delivers the ball to the end zone. His cockiness is a separate entity of his character, if he is a prick, he may have to be in order to maintain the high level of play he wants to perform in.
But if I am a prick, and am losing a lot of games, well, then I must be really the kind of prick people love to hate.
So, by playing well and winning games, people love…
The prick.
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Sep 16, 2008 7:09 AM PDT
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J TMOBILE
I am surely not on the JT bandwagon, but i am not going to throw him under the bus.. so i will list my thoughts and observations..
He is not scared! Thank god we have a quarterback, who is not scared to throw the ball, maybe it is because he has a decent grasp of the offense.
His footwork is bad but he gets it done, to me this is the best indication of what is going on in a QB head, his anxiety worries me, not a good pocket presence but his natural ability to escape defenders helps mask this flaw..
Run-heavy red zone.. I believe this is an indication of JT O Grasp and Fluidity of the offense, he gets it but in the Martz offense its all timing and proper check downs, JT is good on longer developing plays but when you shrink the field he seems to have tunnel vision..
Mobiltiy.. JT MOBILE as i call him can make plays with his feet, he can scramble out and get some room for a nice completion, he can tuck the ball and get some yards, he can also drop back into the pocket too far and make it easy for defenders to get him.. His mobility is a blessing and a curse..
Accuracy.. He has good accuracy, but doesn’t throw many balls on a “rope” as they say, some of his balls are so soft it looks like slow motion, that really worries me.. it either means A: his arm is weak and will soon be a DB’s best friend, handing out INT’s like candy on Halloween.. B: Is a little unsure about either himself or the reciever..
Accuracy.. He has good accuracy, but doesn’t throw many balls on a “rope” as they say, some of his balls are so soft it looks like slow motion, that really worries me.. it either means A: his arm is weak and will soon be a DB’s best friend, handing out INT’s like candy on Halloween.. B: Is a little unsure about either himself or the reciever..Overall,, I am happy with our offense, i really believe we can make the playoffs, if our offense give the defense a chance this year… So J T MOBILe is ok in my book..
J GO
by youngbuckeroo on Sep 15, 2008 10:59 PM PDT 0 recs
O'Sullivan's Arm-Strength
O’Sullivan’s arm strength is stronger than Shaun Hill, and you say his balls are so soft looking like it is going slow motion? He actually has a weak arm? Throwing for more yards than the strong-armed Alex Smith, who had the strongest arm of the three quarterbacks?
"We Have a God who delights in impossibilities."
by 16to80endzone on
Sep 16, 2008 7:14 AM PDT
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He looked good.
I thought he was pretty accurate. He had pressure all day and he still managed to have the best game a 49er QB has had in years. Any one of the 49er teams of the last few years would have rolled over after the unlucky 14-0 deficit they faced early on but thanks to the defense and JTO, they came back and beat Seattle on the road. Also, watch the replay, I think VD could have caught that pass in the beginning of the game. He felt the safety coming on and he slowed up because he didn’t want to take the hit. I’m really down on him, he drops balls, runs poor routes, and in that play he was unwilling to take one for the team.
Go 9erss
by DubsFanByTheZoo on Sep 16, 2008 12:00 AM PDT 0 recs
About his completion percentage...
He went 20/32 this past game for 62.5, but had he thrown the ball away to avoid just 4 of the 8 sacks that % would be at 55.6.
by Cruithear on Sep 16, 2008 5:47 AM PDT 0 recs
Maiocco
Matt Maiocco does a nice breakdown of the eight sacks, describing what happened on each one and then assigning a percentage of blame of each.
Also eye-opening is a breakdown of our rushes against Hasselbeck. Although I saw something different, the Seahawks actually did considerably worse on the plays where the Niners only rushed four versus when they rushed five. So the bend don’t break nickel and dime strategy actually worked. Who’da thunk?
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 16, 2008 8:39 PM PDT 0 recs
I’d argue that JTO was right on the money, at least in hitting Bruce because he hit him in stride perfectly every time.
Eh. Not Exactly.
IIRC, Bruce was the target of 8 passes in that game. He caught 4 of them.
by shlecko on Sep 18, 2008 12:06 AM PDT 0 recs
















