Saints 31-49ers 17: Our personal house of horrors
For the third straight season the 49ers went into the Louisiana Superdome and walked away behind a rather embarrasing loss. We spent all week pondering Reggie Bush and how the 49ers defense would contain him. Of course, it appears that in concentrating on one player, the defense forgot about the rest of the offense. Thanks to a pass rush that give him all day long to pass, Drew Brees absolutely picked apart the secondary with deep bombs, while Deuce McAllister made some key plays in the ground game.
The Good
As awful as this game was, there were definitely some bright spots. Unfortunately they didn't do enough to overshadow the crap-tastic display of other parts.
Frank Gore - I remain baffled at the lack of touches for Gore considering how successful he was. Gore touched the ball 18 times for 113 yards but he clearly did not touch the ball enough. Whatever ratio they planned for Gore either wasn't enough or simply wasn't reached.
Arnaz Battle - Battle had his first career 100+ yard receiving day as he became the go-to guy for J.T. O'Sullivan. Of course, when Battle has been the team's leading receiver in the past, the team has been pretty bad. Just something to think about
Patrick Willis - Bamm Bamm was all over the field making plays and helping to contain Reggie Bush. When he was involved in the pass rush, his athleticism showed as he almost snagged a sack. I understand his role on the defense but sometimes it's interesting to see what he can do when he pins his ears back and goes for the QB
The Ugly
I'm skipping over the bad because really there was only ugly. Deuce had a decent day but in reality, the 49ers did an ok job in stopping the run, holding the Saints to 3.3 yards per carry. Of course when you're getting shredded through the air it really doesn't matter.
The pass defense - I was going to break this down between the secondary and the pass rush, but they were equally awful. The defense garnered no sacks and it never really seemed like Drew Brees was concerned about being sacked. Given this much time, it's no wonder the secondary got shredded on several deep balls. At the same time, the receivers seemed to have absolutely no trouble getting behind the secondary.
J.T. O'Sullivan - After looking sharp early on, things absolutely went in the crapper for JTO thanks to turnovers. The fumble was a clear case of holding onto the ball too long. The two interceptions in the red zone? Wel those will absolutely kill a team, which they did too the 49ers. Given the way the Saints were moving the ball I don't know if the 49ers necessarily would have won without the turnovers, but either way it doesn't really matter. I certainly am not giving up on O'Sullivan as I think his turnovers are based on correctable mistakes. He has a problem with staring down his receivers and holding onto the ball too long. Both of those can be fixed in practice. Of course he had a similar problem in week 1 and the first half of the Seahawks game, so maybe it takes a little more to fix that.
All in all, this was not a pretty game. As people said, it's especially disappointing because it was a winnable game before all the turnovers. The biggest issue, and one that I'll open up for discussion later in the week, is the pass rush. As bad as the secondary was, I think more of the blame rests on the shoulders of the pass rush.
This Saints game was the first in a long stretch of tough ball games coming up. The Patriots come to town next weekend looking to rebound from an ugly loss to the Dolphins last weekend. Matt Cassel may or may not be a good QB, but if the 49ers continue to struggle in developing a pass rush, they could very well make him look like Tom Brady. If the 49ers want to have any hope of a .500+ season, they likely need to split the next 4 games (vs. NE, vs. Philly, @ Giants, vs. Seattle). There are numerous mistakes to be corrected, so hopefully they can get a good week of practice in.
I missed out on the discussion today but had a chance to go through it just now. Thanks to everyone who took part as we finished with 554 comments from 32 people. And yes I think howtheyscored is in the running for most vitriol per comment. Of course, after a game like today the vitriol was quite high.

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| Cruithear | 93 |
| sam23 | 64 |
| AndYourBirdCanSing | 46 |
| wjackalope | 44 |
| Bob On The Coast | 31 |
| pfzilla | 30 |
| howtheyscored | 25 |
| Karlifornia | 23 |
| Nosetackle Supreme | 22 |
| TexanNiner | 21 |
| Muy Macho | 20 |
| Persiflage | 19 |
| shlecko | 19 |
| deroque49 | 18 |
| renke81 | 18 |
| bayboy | 13 |
| Swager | 8 |
| TripTheNinja | 7 |
| baybruin415 | 7 |
| warriorfan4life | 5 |
| 49erLou | 5 |
| PHUT! | 3 |
| etb2 | 2 |
| GSwarrior | 2 |
| Athletic | 2 |
| CB30 | 1 |
| BawLa | 1 |
| groug | 1 |
| SloIsLonelyForTheOrange | 1 |
| jtoj | 1 |
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| 408 | 1 |
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My thoughts
The pash rush was pathetic, that’s for sure. I didn’t notice hardly any blitzing though, could that have been the reason? It didn’t seem very often that more than 4 guys were rushing. You’d think they would have taken a cue from NO’s blitzing success against the Niners’ offense.
Regarding JTO…sigh. He made me yell at my TV a couple of times. I don’t know that the INTs were more of a telegraphing thing so much…especially the INT in the end zone. It was just a horrible pass behind the receiver, which he sidearmed. Just plain dumb. I don’t remember the other INT off the top of my head, though. Regarding the fumble…yeah, he held on to it for too long, but the guy came from his blind side, and he had a good ten feet until sideline. It seemed reasonable to see if someone could get open for a few more seconds, and there’s no way he could have seen the DE coming or prevent a fumble in that situation.
I think the biggest problem was the OL, not the DL. They couldn’t give JTO any time to throw the ball. They’re going to have to pick their men up better or we’ll be seeing many more sacks coming.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Sep 28, 2008 5:21 PM PDT 0 recs
i agree with everyone’s comments about the saints game. even if the niners turn it around with a winning season this year, nolan still needs to be let go. i just can’t tolerate anymore excuses to keep him. being a niner fan i feel like i’ve suffered 400 years of slavery plus the holocaust. this streak of being a loser isn’t all nolan’s fault but i believe it takes a much more talented coach to take a team this bad and make a champion out of it. great that you all love the team and often want to highlight the good points but highlighting and emphasizing the weak points is what makes a champ. we have a 2nd rate coach, several 2nd rate QBs, and a 2nd rate secondary. Our OL is below average to average at best. I do believe that our weak pass rush is capable of improving though. i’m just sick and tired that this once great historical franchise is still wallowing in the mires with the perennial losers of the league.
by redrum21225 on Sep 28, 2008 5:31 PM PDT 0 recs
Getting the measure of the team
It takes a few games to figure out a team each each year. And as the season goes on a team evolves. After four games we’re starting to see some things repeat, though. O’Sullivan is still hanging onto the ball too long, sometimes looks down his primary receiver, and I think he’s having trouble keeping track of DBs in deep patterns. But remember, this is only his fourth game as a starter in the NFL.
There were way too many sacks, even in a Martz high risk/high reward scheme. You want your QB to live past the tenth game. I wouldn’t be surprised if JTO got a concussion. What seemed obvious to the viewers was that more running, Gore and the others, would have slowed down the rush as well as moved the ball down the field. And if Gore actually breaks one the pass rush is really compromised.
The pass rush was non-existant. The bend-don’t-break strategy doesn’t work against someone like Brees who picked the team apart.
And, as Unleash wrote, how does VD always disappear? Is he wearing camouflage out there?
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 28, 2008 6:21 PM PDT 0 recs
VD
so now how much longer do we wait for him to start producing? He made a couple more nice blocks today, but we cant afford to have him be the highest paid TE in the league and be almost nonexistent in the passing attack. What would the cap ramifications be if we were to cut him at the end of the year?
by sam23 on
Sep 28, 2008 6:26 PM PDT
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How many looks did he get today? I think it was more on JTO than VD
by Cruithear on
Sep 28, 2008 6:31 PM PDT
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I kindly disagree. I think it was more on Coach Martz than on J.T. I think there was a reason why Vernon gestured over to the 49er sidelines after he made his first catch in the 4th quarter. If I’m correct that was the first ball that was thrown his way. Martz simply didn’t call Vernon’s number, and so far in four games, I’ve noticed that Vernon has been used almost exclusively as a blocking tight end. I kept hearing in the off-season that Vernon would be an integral part of the pass attack, and that Coach Martz would utilize his abilities. What a complete joke that was… in 4 games thus far, I have yet to see Vernon split out wide (and stretch the defense as they keep saying), much less receive more than 5 looks from the quarterback each game. It’s a shame really.
I hate to say this, but here’s my bold prediction: Vernon Davis finishes the 08-09 season with less than 35 catches. Anyone wanna challenge me? And I say that not because I feel Vernon can’t produce if given a reasonable amount of looks per game, but I say that under the assumption that Martz simply won’t use Vernon the way that we all would hope…
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on
Sep 28, 2008 7:44 PM PDT
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Martz needs to adjust
When your QB gets sacked (and hit) as much as JTO has in four games, there needs to be some kind of adjustment by Martz. And he’s got Gore, so it’s not like he doesn’t have the tool. And what happened to the hot read?
If VD is hanging around the O-line there should be plenty of opportunities to have him slip out for a quick short pass. As much as I like the idea of him stretching the field, catching the ball would be a good first step.
by Bob On The Coast on
Sep 28, 2008 8:06 PM PDT
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Agreed!
Perhaps someone should relay your message to Martz…
The ‘slip out for a quick short pass’ would have been an excellent counter to the pass rush that we kept seeing from the Saints. Martz should have exploited the match-up that saw Charles Grant dominate Barry Sims throughout the game by allowing Charles Grant to come in free and then release Sims to block the man that would be covering Vernon, this way he would be open for a pass and ‘run after the catch’ play, which Vernon has proven he can do.
I believe this kind of play is called a “screen-play”. C’mon Martz! You gotta get Vernon involved. You’re killin’ me here!
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on
Sep 28, 2008 10:54 PM PDT
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agreed
JTO didnt look all that bad considering the pressure he was under all day long…..ok at least one of those INTs to the endzone was just plain awful, but if Alex Smith had a day in the last 3 years like JTO did today, we woulda been pretty fired up about it.
by sam23 on
Sep 29, 2008 1:35 AM PDT
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That’s the biggest knock on Martz, he simply won’t adjust.
He’ll continually sending his QB back on deep drops regardless of how the game is going.
by TexanNiner on
Sep 29, 2008 6:40 AM PDT
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that's the system
What makes poor coordinators so weak is their readiness to abandon what they know. Martz goes downfield because that’s what he’s good at. The sacks will come, and everyone knows that…but so will the 30 yard completions and the breakaway scores.
Just because things don’t go flawlessly on the first two possessions doesn’t mean Martz should suddenly abandon his entire playbook and start throwing short slants and quick outs. That’s the kind of stuff that creates blowouts, and that’s what gets coordinators fired.
by shlecko on
Oct 3, 2008 10:18 PM PDT
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The pass rush was non-existant. The bend-don’t-break strategy doesn’t work against someone like Brees who picked the team apart.
It was ridiculous.
Rushing 4 on a third and long with a QB like Brees?
How stupid can you be?
It was so aggravating giving Brees so much fucking time on every play it seemed like. Of course he’ll pick us apart.
I think it’s more of the defensive playcalling and this cover 2 bend not break bullshit, than the defense itself, that’s to blame. It’s just utter stupidity.
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by jtoj on
Sep 28, 2008 8:45 PM PDT
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Keep the Faith
Despite my blood pressure shooting through the proverbial roof, I am confident that the Patriots game next week will result in a big “W” for us. Wishful thinking, maybe…but I believe the win against the Lions created a false sense of confidence on the squad. Yes, I know the Lions are a bona fide NFL team that we beat hands down. Truth be told they were pathetic. Unfortunately our last week’s win came at a bad time. I wish we had played the Saints following the Seahawks win. Did we let down and/or relax our guard a bit coming off the Lions slaughter? Maybe, but our so-called leader, General Nolan, is replaying the old classic “Ground Hog Day” for our viewing pleasure. Please God, stop the bleeding already. I think the Yorks and Nolan should go on a “Permanent Vacation” We will beat the Patriots, gosh darn it…if for nothing else, to honor Steve Young’s legacy. Long are gone those days in the 80s where it was uneventful to watch the Niners play on any given Sunday or Monday (we can forget about this day of the week for awhile) and simply win effortlessly—at hoe or away. Yes, my wife says I live in the past, but I will never give up on my team and support them to the hilt. But for God’s sake, get rid of GQ Nolan as he has disgraced the coaches that have come before him. Let’s beat the Patriots!
by IBleedRedandGold on Sep 28, 2008 8:25 PM PDT 0 recs
- We need more blitz packages. We have talented DEs and OLB. USE THEM. Green and Haralson should come in more often. Lawson should be used more. We have talented DBs, but no CB not named champ Baily can guard a WR with a great QB for more than 4-5 seconds.
- Smarter Saftey play. Though people claim we overpay out secondary, Michael Lewis is earning every penny. He’s been all over the field, making plays. But the other two safteys, Goldston and Roman need to step it up. Both got burned for touchdowns and need to get it togather. They are FS, they can’t be as aggressive as Lewis.
- Ronald Fields and Ray McDonald. These guys need a punch in the face. They have made countless deflating personal fouls on third down.
- Barry Sims need two punched in the face. Wow. That’s it is wow. He got destroyed.
- Mike Martz needs to realize who lines up behind JTO. Frank Gore needs to get the ball 3/4 of the time in the red zone.
- Nolan! He’s a little observation, Brees 5/12 to start off running the 3-4 and 403 w/ blitz packages. He thinks we are covered and starts with the nickle and dime. 375 yards later, we leave the dme with our heads down
To only real positive of the game is like Arizona, we should have won. 5 red zone trips, 9 points. Despie the negitive I pointed out in this comment, I’m a very positive fan and I’m going to think that this was just a bad game. I mean, even Joe Montana struggled in the Superdome. Well, we only play there once every two years. Lets recover and kick ass against the Pats. GO NINERS!
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by montasmob69 on Sep 29, 2008 6:03 AM PDT 0 recs
A note from Barrows
From the SacBee, Barrows mentioned that our receivers were covered all day. You don’t necessarily see that on TV. Part of the reason why JTO holds onto the ball so long is to find someone to throw to when all options are covered. And why he throws into tight coverages. If he threw the ball away, a good idea on those interceptions and the fumble, his numbers might be a little more Alex Smith-like. The obvious solutions are more handoffs to Gore (and Foster, who isn’t chopped liver) and more screens. And if Johnson and Bruce can’t move fast enough to clear the coverage, stretch out the field with VD. They can’t ignore him. Someone has to go with him downfield. And the O-line has no credibility. Remember, Warhop was fired from Dallas by Parcells because the OL play was too inconsistent.
Anyway, the offense isn’t great but there are correctable things there.
The defense worries me. I think the strategy that the coach uses is either flawed or he’s using it to hide fatal flaws in the talent. Since defense is supposed to be Nolan’s strength, this isn’t a good sign.
by Bob On The Coast on Sep 29, 2008 8:18 AM PDT 0 recs
VD
I would let Vernon go deep all day alone if i was the D, cause he cant catch anyways…
by good as gold on
Sep 29, 2008 10:35 AM PDT
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Screens
would have been a good idea in the face of all the blitzes. VD could have had a big day with some more of those.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on
Sep 29, 2008 11:11 AM PDT
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Think about it Fooch
I remain baffled at the lack of touches for Gore considering how successful he was. Gore touched the ball 18 times for 113 yards but he clearly did not touch the ball enough. Whatever ratio they planned for Gore either wasn’t enough or simply wasn’t reached.
Being down 21-6 isn’t exactly a situation inducive to running the ball.
by methodrampage on Sep 30, 2008 9:46 AM PDT 0 recs
For most of the first half, though, they weren't down big
And Gore still didn’t get many touches. At that point in the game, you can take up the time to run if it’s working, which it was for the most part.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on
Sep 30, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
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gore
I just threw up a post addressing the issue even further with a specific example with which I took issue. Let me know what you think about that when you get a chance.
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