Quarterback: Long look back, brief look forward
Once again, we reach the position on the team that will probably lead to the most explosive debate. The future of the 49ers QB position has been hanging over the head of this franchise and fanbase since Jeff Garcia left town. We drafted Alex Smith #1 overall, and at one point (late in 2006), it seemed like he was going to step up and be that guy. A disastrous 2007 and injury plagued 2008 seemed to end any hope of that. Now, maybe Smith will be back? I won't say this is getting ridiculous, but it's certainly not the simplest situation in the world.
For this assessment, we're only looking back at J.T. O'Sullivan and Shaun Hill. Alex Smith will be looked at as part of the looking ahead and Jamie Martin gets no consideration given the circumstances.
Shaun Hill: All things considered, could Shaun Hill have done much more to gain a vote of confidence heading into 2009? In his 8 starts the team was 5-3 and the offense seemed to reach some level of consistency that was clearly not there under JTO. Hill finished the season with 13 TDs, 8 INTs, a 62.8 completion percentage and a QB rating of 87.5. Not spectacular, but he clearly got the job done. A closer look at his splits shows a guy who could be downright dominant in the 1st and 4th quarters, decent in the second quarter and downright horrible in the third quarter. A more consistent third quarter and imagine those overall numbers?
Coach Singletary would not give Hill the starting nod heading into 2009 and I actually have no problem with that. If Hill had been clearly dominant it would have been one thing. However, Hill had plenty of ugly hiccups that he needs to address. It's a little harsh to say "you're our guy unless something better comes along," but that's the nature of the NFL. Maybe it could have been handled a little more subtly, but Shaun Hill is a big boy and should be able to handle it. Hill has plenty of areas to improve in his performance and competition might push that improvement (of course there's also the issue of his practice abilities).
The argument for having Hill start in 2009 is that they won with him and he commands the respect of the offense, like any good leader should. Although he's not a gun-slinger like JTO, he did other things to get people excited. It might be the run for a first down without his helmet or tossing the ball to an offensive lineman every time he rushed for a TD. Furthermore, while he made some bad decisions at times, he can usually make the throws a decent QB needs to make. The team doesn't need him to make the big play down the field all the time. And he's not simply a game-manager in the mold of Trent Dilfer with the Ravens. He can manage the game but still make sizable plays.
J.T. O'Sullivan: JTO seemd to embody everything that was the Mike Martz offense. Crazy highs and ugly lows. JTO would blow up with a big play and then one series later, get blown up by an ugly turnover. There seemed to be no middle ground with him. It was literally all or nothing and unfortunately, the nothing took over most of the time. For quarterbacks with at least 100 passes, JTO finished dead last in DYAR and second to last in DVOA for QBs. He seemed to cough up the ball several times a game and the offense was never consistent when he was on the field (except against the Lions, who don't count).
The upside to JTO is he was one of several reasons Mike Nolan was fired, so he's got that going for him. Some people have suggested maybe bringing him back since he has some skills. Given that he was brought in by Martz I don't think that will be happening. It wouldn't surprise me to see Martz bring him along to his next NFL stop, wherever that might be.
Looking Forward
So the question becomes, who is that new quarterback that could compete for the starting position? There are several ways to handle this. If the team drafts a QB, I'd imagine that player would spend the entire season as the emergency #3 QB. They would either rework Smith's deal or bring in some older veteran that is more than just a Dilfer sitting in the background guy.
The question in this instance is who do you draft and when? A lot of people think the 49ers would grab Bradford (or maybe Stafford or Sanchez) with that 10 pick. While I'll hold short of calling that an insane suggestion, I do think it's not the best idea in the world. My suggestion since late in the season has been to draft somebody somewhere inthe 3rd-5th rounds and develop them. Some options include Rhett Bomar of Sam Houston State and Graham Harrell of Texas Tech. I know next to nothing about Bomar and not much more about Harrell's NFL prospects, but I throw them out because 1) they're projected in that range and 2) it's just a matter of getting some names out there.
The other option is going the free agency route. There is of course the Matt Cassell route, which some people would like to see happen. I'm not a fan of throwing out that kind of money and possibly draft picks (if he's franchised), so count me out of that bandwagon. There is always everyone's favorite, Jeff Garcia. He's not a long term answer, but when healthy he's been quite solid, even though he's 38. I guarantee people out there would love to see the 49ers sign him. I'm not one of them, but I know they're out there. The only other real legit option (unless y'all want Rex Grossman!) is Kurt Warner, who's 37 and an unrestricted free agent. Although a different style of player than Garcia, I lump those two together as similar types of free agent QBs.
So there you have it. I'll leave you with a poll that is kind of all over the place. Given the craziness of free agency and whatnot, just throw out what you think will happen heading into Week 1 of the regular season.
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I'm hoping...
they can renegotiate Alex Smiths contract and keep him because I’m curious to see how he responds under Singletary. Smith struggles with his confidence and Singletary’inspires and motivates players. Maybe we will see Smith live up to his potential.
If they don’t re-sign Smith than I would like to see them bring in Garcia to compete as an immediate starter. He’s proven he can get the job done. Now he’s definately a short term plan until we can develop a younger QB, which I believe we should be drafting in some round this year no matter who we bring in or keep.
by 49er4life on Jan 13, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think I've heard that Smith is willing to renegotiate his contract
So I’m pretty sure he’ll be back.
by methodrampage on Jan 13, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any idea how that affects the salary cap?
by mikev on Jan 13, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
I think that he’s probably due about $8 or $12M in signing bonus money. If the Niners cut him the remainder of his signing bonus would count against the ’09 cap number.
I think that Smith is due something like the following:
’09: $9.624M
’10: $15.05M
’11: $5M (voidable year)
There’s no way the Niners are going to pay Smith $9.625M next year in order to avoid a $12M cap penalty because there’s no way the Niners are going to pay him $15.05M in ’10 to avoid a $8M cap penalty.
I’d expect Smith to take a big hit in his base salary. If he gets a new signing bonus then the old bonus will pay out like there was never a renegotiation and his new bonus will be prorated over the length of his new contract. So he’d be getting bonus money from his first contract and his new contract thru the first couple of years. Seeing as how Smith will be renegotiating for less money I don’t think it’ll be much a of a salary cap concern.
Not sure if that’s what you’re looking for at all or not.
by methodrampage on Jan 13, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes a lot of sense.
I think Smith will have to give up all of his base pay (down to the minimum, perhaps) in exchange for getting all of his remaining bonus money up front. It’s kind of a win-win. Smith gets his chance as saving face while the 49ers leave a door open for cutting him after next year without any 2010 cap ramifications.
by sfgfan on Jan 13, 2009 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There would still be '10 cap ramifications
I don’t believe they can renegotiate his original signing bonus. So even if he renegotiates he’ll still get $4M (in original signing bonus) in ‘09, ’10 and maybe in ’11 (I’m confused on how his last year, being voidable and all, works). With that said, if he renegotiates with no new signing bonus and gets cut after the ‘09 season he’d still count $4-$8M against the cap in ’10 (depending on how that last year works out).
Basically, if Alex Smith wasn’t a #1 pick and his tenure thus far hadn’t had been marred with 3 different OCs and injuries the Niners would just deal with the cap hit and cut him. By renegotiating with him the Niners can hold a little hope out for him without costing them much more than what they’re already paying him. Smith should want to renegotiate because he’s got the best chance to win a starting QB job in SF.
by methodrampage on Jan 13, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Maiocco...
… or Barrows made it sound like the 49ers would somehow accelerate his original bonus(es).
That would happen if he gets cut, anyway, right?
by sfgfan on Jan 13, 2009 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah once he gets cut what ever remainder of his original signing bonus gets accelerated to that year. If the Niners cut him now his the remaining $8M (or $12M) gets accelerated and all of it counts against the ‘09-’10 cap. I’m speaking strickly from a salary cap standpoint, I’m not sure if Smith gets his signing bonus paid out any faster or not.
by methodrampage on Jan 14, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Works for me. I'm pretty much clueless re: salary cap
As a baseball fan primarily, I’ve never had a use for salary cap :D
by mikev on Jan 13, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a decent enough reference on how the salary cap works.
by methodrampage on Jan 13, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez
Another Slap in the face to Hill.
The man wins games. Start him, bring in no FAs, draft a project QB in the 4th or 5th.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Jan 13, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Drafting
Wasn’t Bomar the guy that got in some trouble out at Oklahoma a couple years back and had to leave school? No thanks. I believe in second chances, but not for QB’s playing for my teams!!! Harrell is probably a better prospect than your average “system” QB, but I still would be very wary about bringing in someone with gaudy numbers but no real pro-style experience. I also am not high on the prospects of Stafford and I expect Sanchez to come back to school. (Would you want to risk being drafted by the Lions?!!?)
This year should not be a QB year for the Niners. Take the example of the Miami Dolphins and start building an actual offensive/defensive line. Pick up skill positions in free agency and then go after a quarterback next year if you don’t like the long term prospects of Hill or Smith.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 13, 2009 12:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You know... while I'm on the subject of drafting QB's
I haven’t looked back through all the threads to find it, but I remember several Tebow discussions here. I said that I never was impressed with him as a QB with his arm, his mechanics, or his pro prospects in general at QB. A couple of posters derided my comments as if I knew nothing about football… I’d now like to point out that all the talking heads are saying the exact same things I did. Slow delivery. Passes that sail on the long ball. Accuracy issues with the short throws. He’s basically projected as a “skill player” instead of a QB. Maybe next year he can fix that stuff at Florida, but to all the Tebow talk earlier in the year… I think its time we all put that to rest.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 13, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bomar's issue
was an academic NCAA regulation SNAFU.
I’d like him on our team.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Jan 13, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was something to do with an SUV dealer.
But I could be wrong.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 13, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is always everyone’s favorite, Jeff Garcia.
Howtheyscored approves!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Jan 13, 2009 1:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t confuse the n00bs!
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 13, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Watch out who you start calling n00bs!
The other n00bs might get upset with the dillution of their n00b nicknaming rights.
by methodrampage on Jan 13, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All of you
are n00000000bers.
MURS for President!!!!!!!
by jtoj on Jan 13, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As it stands, Shaun Hill should definitely be the starter going into the season
but I’d be very disappointed if we didn’t also bring someone in to be groomed for QB-of-the-future status. A rookie would be ideal.
However, I may be willing to scratch this desire if we can re-sign Alex Smith to a 3+ year deal at a substantially reduced price. I know it may come as a shock to many to hear me promote Smith in any way, but you’ve got to remember that the guy’s still only, what, 25? It’s not easy to find a 25 year old QB with as much NFL experience as he’s got, even if he hasn’t proven anything. I haven’t completely given up on him…I’m just against the idea of letting him get his shit together at the expense of our team – and that’s what you’d be doing if you threw him out there as the starter again.
I’m also against signing a guy like Garcia or Warner. I loved Jeff when he was a niner, and I still think he’s great…and I’ve got a lot of respect for Kurt Warner, but they’d both be 1-2 year short-term solutions. Signing them would be, without question, a direct slap in the face of Shaun Hill. The guy’s done more than enough to at least earn the honor of a “Starting QB For Now…” title.
As for other options…
~Cassel would cost too much, and his stock right now is so astronomically high that he’s bound to come back down to earth…and I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him crash right back into mediocrity.
~I think Derek Anderson is an intriguing story…especially if we manage to pull Cleveland guys over for the OC and QB coach spots. Whether or not the Browns are willing to part with him in a reasonably fair deal, however, is another story.
by shlecko on Jan 13, 2009 4:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cassel will be franchised.
Brady is supposedly behind his rehad schedule and New England really has no other option than to franchise Cassel.
I think Anderson has run his course in Cleveland. He’s already called out the fans for booing him when he got hurt late in the year. Cleveland should be looking to deal him.
by methodrampage on Jan 14, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TIM TEBOW
A born leader. He has a great arm, he’s a dual threat quarterback that runs like a fullback, and he can make any team he plays for, play like its a superbowl (BCS BOWL) game. He took full accountability for his poor performance earlier in the season but then rallied his team. Play Hill this season, pick up a few key players and draft Tebow next season. It’s the best play I guarantee it. I will swear by it.
by UCLABRU1 on Jan 15, 2009 2:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not a chance
Every talent evaluator out there says Tebow is a “football player” not a QB. He could be useful if you have the luxury of picking up a “niche” player.
I’ve watched the guy several times in SEC games. He’s a winner, there’s no doubt about that and he would be a positive for any team that gets him. What he is not is a clean NFL caliber QB. Going back to school was a good move for him, if he can show better development with his skill set he might be an option for a team.
The Niners would be much better served by going in another direction.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 15, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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