Dan Reeves to interview for OC position
FOOCH'S NOTE 12:51pm: Well this is certainly an interesting option. Link here. Thoughts?
Fox Sports is reporting he's got an interview in the next 24 hours. Thought he was done done after Atlanta, but he's definitely got the pedigree. One last shot towards an HC job? I would think he'd get serious consideration for any HC job if he wanted...very interesting. I think he'd stick it out for 3 years as the 9ers emerge again, then consider the options. Back to glory or just a retread?
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Well... I certainly never would have expected that...
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jan 23, 2009 12:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well well well.....
this caught me off guard for sure but I am all for it. Has experience and doesn’t have to worry about it being an young man’s game because he isn’t the head coach. He knows how to run the football and is a proven winner. I can see him here for 3 years but the only problem is who does he bring in as QB coach?
by ninerfanNVA on Jan 23, 2009 1:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like it
From the pairing an inexperienced HC with a well versed OC standpoint. Reeves is what, 65? So I doubt he’s really going to garner much HC interest as he probably doesn’t have too much coaching left in him, but a couple of solid years is all the Niners should be asking for.
by methodrampage on Jan 23, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
My one question is..
…does he want to be here, or does he want to be an HC again?
In a way this is stating the obvious, but you can logically see both sides. He’s 65, so it’s possible he wants another crack at the apple. Not unlike his contemperary Schottenheimer (who could definitely get another HC job), he’s an excellent coach who’s never won the big one (FOUR Super Bowls!) and might fancy one last go.
On the other hand, he may have decided that the stress of being an HC will take too much out of him (he did have some ticker issues), and he just wants to coach some football without being the head guy. That’d be great if he wanted that.
by Bitter Fan on Jan 23, 2009 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wh's next...
June Jones? BTW, Linehan just signed with the Lions to be their OC. I guess he really loves either Stafford or Sanchez.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jan 23, 2009 1:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love this move
hes got the experience that Coach Sing doesnt h. Think its a great move and feel like the Yorks would love this. Expecting this to happen just on a gut feeling
by cuse7284 on Jan 23, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
WHAAAAAAA!?
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 23, 2009 2:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hire Him!!!
He brings some seniority to the coaching staff and he will stick around. It will make Singletary even better having a SB coach by his side to help him grow.
Fans stuck in the 80's are lame. Respect the past, live in the now.
by maveric_87 on Jan 23, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
NO THANKS!
get somebody young that we can groom. Yeah, Reeves won’t be leaving for a head coaching gig, but he could also keel over at any minute.
Of course, it doesn’t take much energy to call a fullback dive 3 times before punting, which is apparently the offensive game plan.
Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.
by Nosetackle Supreme on Jan 23, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
young...
If Reeves comes in as OC it could certainly be a way to groom the young QB coach for 2-3 seasons from now…
by Fooch on Jan 23, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
/nod
The one thing Sing has made known is that the OC will bring in his own QBs coach.
Bringing in a guy like Reeves would allow for the tutelage of a guy who could follow in the same footsteps – giving us a young offensive coordinator without having to change the system that would already be in place.
Reeves possesses an offensive mind, a good track record and head coaching experience. These are all things that Singletary may very well need to be successful in his own position. It almost sounds like a perfect fit.
I say this only partially out of desperation: I am 100% cool with this move, should it pan out.
by shlecko on Jan 23, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like who?...
A Tommy Maddox type?
I’d rather a younger OC who is in the League now, than an old guy who was in the League then. This sounds more like a Nolan move. Reeves was Nolan’s mentor, and Nolan would have gone after Reeves too.
Kawakami is right. Sing is the Uber Nolan.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jan 23, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so just to clarify
You don’t like the Reeves hiring at all? If so (and I’m assuming I’m correct), what are your thoughts on how the OC process should have been handled?
by Fooch on Jan 24, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If your neophyte HC..
Who wasn’t selling every other buyer prior to one of the worst buyers of HC’s because he didn’t have a solid plan to rebuild a Franchise around , decides to hire a Dinosaur because his philosophy is fossilized to begin with, should bear no confidence just one week before Feb. If your assistant coach is a better coach than you are (see: Nolan/Turner), then you aren’t ready to rebuild a team. The consideration of Reeves shows that Sing has no idea of where the League is going. Take away Manusky. Sing is toast. Take away Hill: Sing doesn’t have this job. As much as I hate Martz, Sing wouldn’t have this job without him. The passing offense won those games to impress dumbass Jed. That’s it. Sing had nothing to do with the offense. Martz ran over a stupid Nolan. Everybody that knew anything about the game saw that Nolan’s hiring of Martz would do him in. Sing had more juice after Martz/Nolan failed. He was the only thing left in house to coach this team. Sing isn’t any better than Wayne Fontes at this point. He has no vision outside of what he knows as a coach now. He will and can get beat by real X’s and O’s coaches, the younger guys in the game today. Reeves is a freakin’ Dinosaur that can either show that he is or isn’t with today’s game. Being an analyist isn’t crap. Millen was one of them too, you know.
Sing hiring Reeves shows he has no balls. Even worse, it shows desperation, like Nolan had shown with Turner. That’s the truth Fooch. You really need to look outside of the box more.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jan 24, 2009 2:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this whole “Reeves is old” thing is exceptionally flawed. I do understand that the game can legitimately pass people by, but I think you’re overstating that fact to the point of discrediting a guy who has never shown any signs of that having happened. There are plenty of examples of older coaches succeeding, even in the modern NFL. Vermiel, Schottenheimer, and Parcells as head coaches. There are plenty of examples of older coaches acting as successful assistants, as well. Monte Kiffin is 68 and was one of the best DCs in the league. Jim Johnson is 67 and is regarded as one of the most innovative blitzers in the league today.
And that’s just off the top of my head. Absolutely no research beyond checking birthdays. Age is one thing, but it is not an argument that holds up. A good coach is a good coach.
I also don’t see how it’s a desperate move. Reeves is looking for a coordinator position and he is very likely one of the most skilled candidates for the job. If interviewing the most skilled candidates is a desperate move, then I obviously don’t know anything about anything.
Also: “If your assistant coach is a better coach than you are (see: Nolan/Turner), then you aren’t ready to rebuild a team.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t that the year that Nolan’s 49ers performed, by far, their best? So you’re saying that if you can get a coordinator – like Turner – who has the skill to elevate your offense to greater heights – like Turner did – AND you have a long-term commitment from that coach – unlike Turner – that it’s going to go badly?
You hire the best person for the job. If Reeves is offering a legitimate commitment to the team in a coordinato’s capacity, I really don’t see any reason to think that he’s not that guy.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 24, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldnt agree with you more
and you’ve put it far better than I could have – especially the last paragraph.
by Ninerfromacrossthepond on Jan 24, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, why not hire Reeves..
For HC in the first place?
Everybody that has responded to my post is making my point here. The problem Nolan had is that he had no idea of offense. He had to rely on assistants. But at least he could get a DC job in DEN. Could Sing get a coordinator job anywhere? He has never been a coordinator last time I checked. If you can’t develop your own coaches from within, then you have a problem. That’s been the 49ers problem for years now. Why? Because they abandoned a system that worked for them for years, and they have been grasping at straws because they have no vision. I seriously can’t find anything that shows me that they do, and hiring Sing right after the last game proved that, and the possibility of Reeves is something that Nolan would have done, and even then, that still doesn’t mean Reeves could go elsewhere after a couple of years, if he is hired in the first place.
Maybe I am overstating the age issue, but the 49ers same old same old issue of OC’s still carry over with Sing. At least Eddie had the foresight to hire his own in Mooch, which turned into his HC, after Trestman. Oddly enough, fans who complained about Mooch’s style of offense are now praising Sing’s style of offense, but Mooch could at least coach it.
You’re right about hiring the best person for the job, and the 49ers should have done that at HC.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jan 24, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I wouldn’t blame Singletary right now for not being in a position to promote from within since, as with any new coach, he’s starting from scratch with the last guy’s leftovers. I can’t speak toward his actual plan, but it seems sensible that if Reeves is the most talented, even a two or three year commitment from him would give Singletary enough time to put together his own network of assistants who could then succeed Reeves after his departure. That doesn’t sound like a bad thing to me. Again, I can’t say that is actually his plan. But I think it’s perfectly reasonable to believe that it could be.
I think the idea of Singletary having never been a coordinator is a deeper issue, and one that has been discussed at length on these boards before. While the path to being a head coach typically does run through coordinator positions, I don’t think there is evidence that suggests not having that experience traditionally hurts a head coach’s chances at success relative to his peers. I’m not particularly well-versed in that line of reasoning, so I won’t push it. I’m inclined to lean in that direction, though. I won’t pretend that I think I know better than you about it. I just think differently about it.
I’m not sure that I agree with you that hiring Reeves is something that Nolan would have done. Not in the gloomy sense that you posit, at least. I do agree that Nolan wouldn’t have hesitated to hire somebody with a head coaching pedigree (and that he did, twice). I don’t agree that it’s born out of desperation the way that Nolan’s moves were, though. Everything right now indicates that Singletary is looking for the best guy who can and will give him a few years. Nolan got into a position where he was hiring the best short term option with absolutely no regard for even the following season. I think the impetus behind a move like this would be completely different in this case than it was under Nolan, even if the situations do bear some resemblance.
Of course, if we do hire Reeves and then he cuts and runs after a year… well… I’ll just take my lumps on that one.
And as the actual (premature) hiring of Singletary, well… that’s a whole separate can of worms. I have no idea if he’ll be successful or not, but I think his approach thusfar in the offseason has at least been thorough and reasonable. The Niners approach to hiring him certainly wasn’t, but his actions since the hiring – in my personal opinion – have been.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 24, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair and reasonable points...
From you. I think I am getting frustrated with the thought of that if you have a problem with offensive coordinators leaving or not working out, then you go out and find a offensive guy for a head coach. It’s painful that it’s an obvious solution, and that the 49ers don’t get it. One point that I’ve read from the blog comments from other sites is that Reeves could be brought in to groom Rathman. Now that I could get on with, especially if they go back a WCO based scheme. I’ve always been a proponent of the run game, and you have to be able to run the ball in today’s game (which is why I was against Martz’s hiring, because he was too pass happy) to be successful. I guess I’m a bit spoiled that the 49ers have had only 2 head coaches prior to Mooch, and that Mooch brought in a good run game as well. I’m also more frustrated that since Mooch’s firing, the 49ers have shown that they really don’t know what the hell they are doing, and that not hiring a offensive coach for HC makes it even more painful.
As far as what I say about the ‘desperation’ thing: I just find it odd that Reeves all of the sudden pops up after Linehan sandbagged them, and this late into the OC search. I don’t know if Reeves is just another candidate, or the guy they are looking for, but it leads me to wonder if Sing is comfortable with the younger coaches, or that maybe Rathman is the OC of the future, and a younger OC wouldn’t give Rathman a shot in the future. If the latter is true, then it looks like a plan. If the former has any meat, the Reeves being in the fold this late also makes sense. Either way, it looks to me that might be some panic in the search, and Reeves out of left field (there wasn’t any speculation of Reeves anywhere until he actually became a candidate) leads me to that conclusion.
My comment on why this looks like a Nolan move: we’re well aware of the Nolan/Reeves connection, and who knows if Nolan has anything to do with Reeves being in SF this week. There was always talk of Nolan wanting to bring in Reeves in some capacity when Nolan was in SF. Nolan would still have a job if he hired Reeves instead of Martz, but IMO, he hired Martz to spite the FO. That’s the only thing that I liked about Martz being in SF, and I was amazed on how dumb Nolan was to make a move like that one. Reeves looks to me like the Turner hire: get a guy to help you out on the short term because you don’t have any experience in that area. Sing already has Manusky, and thank God he didn’t leave, because Sing would be really hosed. I shudder at this thought: what if Sing had to hire both an OC and DC? That leads me to the whole “never being a coordinator” issue, and Reeves would be a guy to help Sing with some OJT, which isn’t what you really want, at least I don’t. I always thought Turner was the better coach out of all of them when he was there. Once he was gone, well, we all know what happened after that.
I guess I should be happy that the 49ers are bringing in a guy who actually has more experience than anybody else throughout the whole Organization (hey Paraag, what are you gonna do when the League goes capless in a couple of years? Hey Jed, if it does go capless, go all Eddie with the team too), and that he could become an asset in the FO later. I just find it unsettling that he comes out of nowhere this late in the search.
Thanks for you reasonable response. I feel a little better now, and the cliff is farther and farther away.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jan 24, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick clarification..
“I guess I’m a bit spoiled that the 49ers have had only 2 head coaches prior to Mooch”…
Meaning the Dynasty Era. I didn’t mean to slight Red Hickey and such.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jan 24, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It has been a strange and somewhat unsettling OC search, and you’re right that it’s stranger still to see Reeves come out at this point in the process. I’m remaining hopeful that there is reason involved with these things and I do see very reasonable explanations for much of it. But yeah, it is weird.
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 24, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no better than wayne fontes
Because of half a season and one month of the offseason?
Don’t you think you’re being a little judgmental about what Singletary can or can’t do? How do you know he has no vision? Maybe Reeves is a failure as an OC, but aside from saying he’s old, how would you know that for sure? You’re comparing Dan Reeves to Matt Millen just because they were both analysts?
by Fooch on Jan 24, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Read my post above.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Jan 24, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You lost me completely at “Kawakami is right.”
My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.
by howtheyscored on Jan 24, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DAMN YOU
Adopted son of in limbo Brad Hennessey. Beloved for a stolen base much like Dave Roberts
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 25, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kawakami is right? You lost me.
Adopted son of in limbo Brad Hennessey. Beloved for a stolen base much like Dave Roberts
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 25, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
why Denny Green’s name hasn’t been mentioned at all? Is it because he doesn’t fit the Mike Singletary offensive approach? Or, is he what we thought he was? Lame joke. Anyway, I suppose that Denny Green could come in and work with Rathman with the prospect of grooming him as the next OC.
"The voice of the intellect is a soft one, but it does not rest until it has gained a hearing"
by Jeff_Fuller_49 on Jan 24, 2009 2:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
great idea
For those who want a young oc, that is what someone like Rathman will be in 2-5 years when the current oc leaves. I like the idea of reeves as our oc because he isn’t leaving for another job in a year, he knows how to run a power offense (see Giants and Atlanta), and he has worked with qbs before. This is a good idea and it is thinking outside the box, rathar than hire some hot guy who might be a system guy you get someone who hasn’t come out from under a great coach and work with that guy.
by Gailikk on Jan 24, 2009 7:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
OC
We need to hire Reeves or Hue Jackson and fast. I’m tired of this long process
by willis52 on Jan 24, 2009 9:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Step Up. Your a fucking retard. Go jump off a cliff, you dont know the first thing about bay area sports.
A bay area lova
by johnnyxboy on Feb 6, 2009 3:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
… go call a poster with one of your first posts. That’s a surefire way of making others respect any future stuff you have to say/write.
by sfgfan on Feb 9, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have respected you more if you had included some swear words in your post, sfgfan.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Feb 10, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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