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49ers reportedly settle on Jimmy Raye as offensive coordinator

FOOCH'S NOTE 7:45PM: I'll have a more detailed post shortly.  For now, I'm moving this to the front page.

Adam Schefter is reporting that the 49ers will hire Jimmy Raye as OC. i was leaning towards hue Jackson, personally. Maybe here were concerns he's never been an OC before? Maybe he was too hot to head coaching searches in the near future? I don't even know what to say. I'd say my mood is typical and as a fan base collectively unenthusiastic. This turned from a relatively benign choice by Singletary to an utterly important choice. I hope it works out. 

 

UPDATE: Here's Maiocco's blog.

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Jimmy Raye? thats a bit of a shock

"It’s a hobby of mine. Kind of like collecting your fingernail clippings or pooping in jars." -olympic mike

by sam23 on Jan 28, 2009 7:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd HATE to be that guy, but...

Fooch, you didn’t even MENTION Jimmy Raye in your most recent OC wrap up. WTF mate?!

Here is what I found interesting, yet troubling, from Maiocco:

In eight seasons as an NFL offensive coordinator, Raye’s teams never once made the playoffs. In fact, only once did one of those teams finish with a better-than-.500 record (Chiefs, 1999, 9-7 record).

I guess he really impressed the samurai. Let’s just hope that he’s due for a winning season…

Blind devotion.

by ProfessorBigelow on Jan 28, 2009 8:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

post

It’s actually kinda funny. When I was typing that post, at the end I was going to add a brief link to the Jimmy Raye report and decided, “Nah, it seems like Jackson is gonna get the job. Not gonna waste my time.” Poorly played on my part.

by Fooch on Jan 28, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HA

You know what they say about hindsight…

You know we still love ya Fooch, you just have a bit more research for tomorrow morning on this Raye guy…

And finally… ARE YOU JIMMY RAY?!?!?!?

Blind devotion.

by ProfessorBigelow on Jan 28, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Ray

Naturally the morning post will have that video in it! God bless YouTube

by Fooch on Jan 28, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know what I say about hindsight?

Of course hindsight is 20/20, because everybody likes looking at butts.

For some reason that joke never flies, but I still really like it.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

IT’S FUNNY, DAMMIT! DON’T YOU LIKE LOOKING AT BUTTS? DON’T YOU? YEAH TAHTS WHAT I THOGHT! SHUT UP!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You just made my day. <3 my girlfriend’s [site decorum] =D.

by Cruithear on Jan 29, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously,

WTF. Seems like a repeat of Hostler.

MURS for President!!!!!!!

by jtoj on Jan 28, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hostler vs. Raye

Hostler had no experience, Raye has a whole ton of experience.

by Fooch on Jan 28, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, experience at being sub-par

at least that’s what it seems like.

I was really hoping to see Hue Jackson get the job…after learning that Reeves wouldn’t…after learning that Linehan wouldn’t…

God, I hope I’m wrong about this whole thing.

by shlecko on Jan 28, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, going back to the 20’s.

Lott's Prayer: Almost as many words as the Lord's Prayer, but the Lord wouldn't recognize any of them.

by Nosetackle Supreme on Jan 30, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BOOYA!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 30, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Very anti climactic ending...

To a very weird process.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jan 28, 2009 8:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Is it too late to fire Singletary and hire Gruden?

This whole trying not to lose thing is a Nolan trait- unfortunately it rubbed off on Singletary. Give us something to believe in.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jan 28, 2009 9:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

trying to not lose?

Given that he hired the guy the same day he interviewed indicates to me that Raye blew his socks off. Could be wrong, but it’s something to think about

by Fooch on Jan 28, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Eric Musselman blew the socks off of both the Warriors and the Kings but...

it doesn’t translate. Couldn’t they have hired a successful OC? Or at least someone with potential who has a great system in mind like Jackson (Cam Camerons system is perfect for Gore)? This stinks of prevent defense, of playing it safe, of 8-8.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jan 28, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

prevent

It certainly has a bit of an odor to it, but I really wanna hear what Singletary has to say in the eventual press conference

by Fooch on Jan 28, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He can pull his pants down for all of us and I still wouldn't buy it.

This is deja vu all over again. Making these decisions and then standing up and trying to sell us on them when there is no reasonable explanation that could possibly make this decision a good one is what Mike Nolan did the last 4 years. This is a rudderless ship- this team needs an overhaul from the top. Maybe they will all get fired again next year when the Niners bring in Holmgren and we can see the 8th coordinator in 8 years.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jan 28, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know a lot about this guy, but I think there are really problems with judging the success of a coordinator on the in-a-vacuum records of the teams that he coached for. He’s responsible for the performance and the improvement of an individual offense, not for the overall performance of a franchise.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The 7 teams he has coached- shows a pattern of failure.

We aren’t talking about Lane Kiffin here, we are talking about a dude who coached for the Niners 32 years ago. He might be a great guy but come on now.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Jan 28, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said that I thought he was good. I just said that I think your measure of his failures isn’t a very good one. How did those offenses actually do, particularly compared to before and after he was there?

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Raiders actually appeared to improve on offense semi-significantly from 2003 to 2004, and got much, much worse after he left.

The Redskins’ offense in 2001 were worse than either 2000 or 2002. The Chiefs’ offense was quite good from 1998 – 2000.

And I don’t know if it’s worth going back to 1991… but the Rams were kind of awful that year… and the Patriots were pretty awful the year before. So those aren’t points in his favor, but they are also essentially two decades removed.

So that in mind, what was different with the Redskins from the Chiefs and the Raiders? The easy answer is Tony Banks. That Redskins team ran much better than any of Raye’s KC or Oakland teams, but Tony Banks was awful. Meanwhile, with Grbac in KC and Collins in Oakland, Raye actually did quite a lot in the passing game. He seems to be fairly good at moving the ball through the air. I’d also point out that he used both Lamont Jordan and Stephen Davis particularly well (Davis who enjoyed one of his best seasons with Raye and Jordan who enjoyed by far his best season).

Interestingly enough, the teams on which he’s coached the offenses have been almost universally awful on defense. Coincidence? Of course it is! And that’s why team overall records are just this side of useless here.

So, if you give Raye a functional running back and a capable passer, that almost seems like a winning combination (on offense). I wouldn’t say that Shaun Hill comps very well with any of Grbac, Banks, or Collins, but we can say that he’s almost without a doubt a capable passer.

Now all that said, I don’t know what to expect from him at all. He’s never handled peronnel that even remotely resembles the guys that we have on board. But I would say that he’s been FAR from a failure in the past and that, while there is admittedly a lot of room for skepticism, I’d say there’s also a fair amount of room for optimism.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I also didn’t realize that Norv Turner handled many of the playcalling duties when Raye was in Oakland. That’s a little worrisome, but I’m really not familiar with that situation, so I can’t say anything definitively.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 28, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the offense will regress...

As much as I don’t like Martz, he got more out of the offense than Raye will ever do. Raye is a “Yes” man for Sing. That’s why he hired him. His background is not impressive at all, and good OC’s don’t bounce around. Sing just showed Nolan stubbornness and paranoia with this move. The passing game, Hill, and York naivety won him his job. Sing just showed his really is Nolan 2.0.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Jan 29, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The move is absolutely not an inspiring one. I don’t think it’s a crap one… but man does it fail to inspire anything in me. I believe there will almost certainly be a regression in how much we get out of the offense, but I also think that the actual offense itself could be improved enough to make up for it. I’ll have to hold back on saying that until the offseason is done, but… well… I don’t know. It’s not a great move. It’s probably an alright move, but it was certainly a lot of pomp and circumstance for a little payoff.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Jan 29, 2009 7:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing I like is that by focusing on a running game they will improve the passing game

What I mean is that the running game has two good backs and a strong OL. By using the running game the defense will be forced to come up and then open up the occaisional deep pass. It won’t be the pass first and foremost style that Martz likes but it will help keep our QB healthy (less sacks).

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Jan 30, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

foosball4949 FanPost

He had a FanPost up so I’m moving his comment here to keep things in one place:

Who the F is this guy really? The article makes it sound like he was only picked because we actually ran out of time. We also appointed a QB coach. I’m not feeling very happy about this. Sure he has lots of experience, but none in 3 years and that was with the Raiders (warning lights flashing uncontrollably). The only real upside I see is that I don’t think he’s gonna be bolting for a HC position any time soon.

 
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/01/28/49ers-hire-raye-as-new-offensive-coordinator/

by Fooch on Jan 28, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Fooch

How come my posts never show up on the front?

by foosball4949 on Jan 29, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

From Sing's notebook

Dated December 31, 2008

RE: So did you not consider Mike Martz a long-term solution?
"No, I did not."

RE: And why is that?
"Because our philosophies are different."

RE: When you say long-term deal, maybe you are looking at a younger guy who isn’t…
"No, I’m not looking at a younger guy. It has nothing to do with age. It’s only philosophy."

RE: What you mean by philosophy being different…
"When I say philosophy, this is what I mean. If I’m looking at a coordinator and that coordinator likes to do more of a…basically a four wideout, five wideout, throw a little bit here. Dunk and dink here. That’s different than what I’m looking for. If there’s an offensive coordinator that likes to have a traditional I-back, split the tight end out, move people around a little bit more and really just kind of wing it here, throw it there. That’s not what I’m looking for. That’s a different branch of the West Coast Offense, they are different branches of the West Coast Offense. Then there’s the stretch offense where you are going down the field, which is more of Coach Martz’s offense, I’m going to throw it down field, but it’s throw it downfield often rather than running the football and there are different branches of that. I am in the mode of more of a traditional style of offense, very much like the style that used to be here when Coach Bill Walsh was here, but in a different mindset. I want to know I have the ability to know that I can run the ball. I want to have the ability to know that I can impose my will on the defense. I want to know that in the fourth quarter, I can run the football. I want to know that when they put eight people in the box, I can still run the football, if I want to. I don’t want to make it seem like I am a three yards and a cloud of dust kind of guy because I’m not. I am very much into innovation. I am very much into motion, moving people around, I am very much into that, but when everything settles and we need to control the football, I need to know that I can run the football and I’m not trying to do anything fancy at that time. I want to run the football."

RE: Is that philosophy born in your playing days, that is when you were a linebacker, was that the type of offenses you found were most difficult to stop?
"I find that today. You look around the league today, I think those teams that are successful year in and year out, when it really gets down to it, they are saying, ‘You know what, it’s been nice playing you, it’s been nice to do this, but right now we are going to take the game over and we are going to run the football. To me those are the teams that are going to be successful year in and year out and not going to go out of style. You have to be able to do that. It’s as simple to me as blocking and tackling. Some teams do it different, they have different philosophies, that just happens to my philosophy or our philosophy."

by coicoy on Jan 28, 2009 10:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for the big chunk of text. I just discovered this yesterday.

He wanted somebody old school. He got what he wanted.

by coicoy on Jan 28, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that really worried me when I read that

It seemed at the time that Coach Sing was very closed-minded towards offensive strategy. I had hoped that he would be a leader of men, a force in the locker room, and the voice of the franchise…but leave coaching and strategy to the guys that have done that and proven that they are good at it.

I love Mike, but he’s still very new to coaching…and I’m not sure that he’s really the guy to be deciding exactly how an offense should be run. I like his spirit, but I worry that he may be too controlling towards things that would best be left to someone who is better suited to dictate how they operate.

I guess I should have known then that he wouldn’t really be looking for a guy with his own identity as an offensive coordinator. Singletary already had an idea in his head about what kind of team this was going to be going into the future, and it seems no one was going to talk him out of it. I pray now that this Jimmy Raye guy isn’t just a whipping boy who got the job because he’s willing to submit to Mike’s will.

by shlecko on Jan 28, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Linehan?

Remember before condemning Singletary that he DID offer the job to Linehan first. You make it sound like he passed on everyone else just to get to his new Yes man, which isn’t true.

I’m also not moved by your call that he’s too closed-minded. Nolan had a tendency to not try to influence the offensive philosophy at all. He just stood aside and let each OC do what they do. It worked well with Norv Turner because he seemed to understand how best to utilize his offense. It didn’t work so well with Hostler because his offensive philosophy was run-run-pass-punt. And it also didn’t work well with Martz because he wanted to win it his way, by going pass-heavy. It was only when Singletary took over as HC that the offense started focusing more on the run and quicker passing routes that the offense started to click. So saying that’s how he wants the offense to run, I’m pretty okay with that. Now if the Patriots release Tom Brady and the Niners sign him, as well as TJ Housh, and Frank Gore goes down with an injury and Singletary still wants to favor the run heavily, then we might have a legitimate beef with this situation. Until then, we must first wait to see how it all plays out before ripping Singletary.

And I, too, am not excited about the OC hire.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 29, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m also not moved by your call that he’s too closed-minded.

It wasn’t so much a “call” persay.
I’m just voicing my concerns. Thinking aloud, you know?

I’m unimpressed with the hiring, pessimistic as usual and looking for something – anything to give me a reason to believe that there is hope.

by shlecko on Jan 29, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, that reads a little harsher than it’s supposed to…

I’m totally with you, though. I’m very uninspired by the hiring and don’t understand why we SHOULD be excited. I’m hoping that will change, but I don’t know. I guess the best hope right now is that Singletary knows what he wants and he found a guy that’s willing to do it. I was listening to Radnich yesterday morning, and he and the boys started talking about the types of people you’d want to surround yourself with. Dan and Patrick said that he should be surrounding himself with people that will challenge him, not people who will be Yes Men to him. To me, it doesn’t SEEM like he’s trying to get a Yes Man coordinator, because Sing isn’t an offensive-minded guy. So my hope is that he just knows what kind of offensive philosophy he wants in place, and he chose the guy that’s most likely to carry out that vision.

This is just my hope. Who the hell knows if it’s right or not, yet….

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 30, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

also

and this is a devil’s advocate sort of stance here, not my own real beliefs but…

Perhaps Singletary’s need to control the offense played into Linehan’s decision to reject the job offer. The reported dealbreaker that Linehan would not have the option of bringing in his own QB could certainly be pointed to as possible evidence of this theory. Not being given enough freedom to coach your own way is certainly a legitimate reason to not accept such a position, I would say.

by shlecko on Jan 29, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn’t sound like control to me. Remember, the Niners brought in O’Sullivan because of his familiarity with Martz’s offense, and that didn’t really work out great for us. If they’re going to bring in a quarterback, it should be more of a consensus move, if you ask me. I think the GM and the scouts should have a say in the matter, it shouldn’t be a decision for the offensive coordinator alone.

Mind you, I don’t know much on this matter, but I really do think the head coach needs to put his philosophy in place first, then find an OC who will carry out his philosophy. Like I said, our offense seemed to work much better once Singletary changed how Martz was approaching the game.

"He called the sh** POOP!" -- Adam Sandler

by JRPhillips on Jan 30, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he wants a physical team

The way I see it, the team he is looking for is going to depend on the O-Line, not the O-Coordinator.

They are going to have to develop an amazing line, though, and keep it much better than their opponent’s d-line. They appear to be looking at not this coming season, but the next. A good O-line will help the run (creating holes) and the pass (protection). The QB situation needs to settle. I think that is the next biggest concern.

The 49ers have had a personnel problem. Mike Martz would have been more successful this year if he had better chess pieces to use. But a guru couldn’t do it for the players on this team, so they either need to man-up, or the team will likely find new players.

by coicoy on Jan 28, 2009 11:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

maiocco's latest post

gives me some hope.

Raye’s offenses haven’t been anything special, but for the bulk of those, he’s had very underwhelming starting QBs and RBs. Can’t say anything about the line and the WRs but let’s face it, no matter how good or bad the system is, you live and die by the talent.

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Jan 28, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well, we knew we were going to live and die...

… by the talent we pick up for next season. While coaching decisions are important, now i hope this team can focus on the personell moves that neeed to be made to turn this team into a success. I’m still not excited about this pick, but at least we can stop dwelling on our OC, and move on to FREE AGENCY!

29 Days to the start of FA

Blind devotion.

by ProfessorBigelow on Jan 29, 2009 7:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Ray

I’m very upset about the choice that coach Sing has made on OC. I hope it doesn’t come and bite him back. I’m so much tire of changing OC every off season, but I’m more tire of being a LOOSER team fan, that all ways has to sit every off season watching other teams go to the postseason!! And any how, who is Jimmy Ray??

by ninercrzy on Jan 30, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy Raye

He’s just some looser that needs to tighten up.

by methodrampage on Jan 30, 2009 2:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DEAR GOD WHAT HAS HAPPEN TO MY NINERS ????

JIMMY WHO? MIKE (NEEDS MEDS) SINGULTARY, JESUS BILL WALSH,AND SEFFERT ARE SPINNING IN THERE GRAVES. I PUT ON MY OLD MONTANA JERSY AND TRY TO REMEMBER WHEN BUT THE MEMORIES ARE FADING.EVEN DAVID LETTERMAN IS MAKING FUN OF OUR COACH.AND SADLY HE IS RIGHT. WHAT IS OWNERSHIP THINKING.ARE THEY THINKING? ARE THEY SOBER?? ON METH MAYBE?? SOMEONE CALL A TREATMENT CENTER, A MENTAL INSTITUTION, A HIT MAN ……….SOME THING!!!!!!!!! IT REALLY BREAKS MY HEART. PITTSBURG IS GONNA BEAT US TO 6. HELL AT THIS RATE DETROIT WILL BEAT US TO 6 SUPERBOWL TITLES………IM GONNA TAKE MY MEDS NOW AND THEY CAN TAKE ME BACK TO MY ROOM .. IT GOT ME BEFORE I COULD JUMP SHIP……..SIGH………………………………..!

by 49er FAN STUCK IN COWBOY LAND(HELL) on Jan 31, 2009 11:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

smells like troll in here =\

by shlecko on Feb 1, 2009 1:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wow

Simply by pulling on both ends, Patrick Willis can stretch diamonds back into coal

by 49erLou on Feb 1, 2009 8:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus, Bill Walsh, and George Seifert are spinning in their graves?

Huh… one of these things is not like the others.

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Feb 1, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

George Seifert isn’t a deity like the other two.

by shlecko on Feb 1, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Raye

I don’t understand why some people are so upset about Raye’s hiring. The guy isn’t some top of the list name? So what? The guy agrees with Singletary’s meat-n-potatoes approach? So what?

I understand people are entitled to their own opinions but give the guy a frickin’ chance. I happen to think it may work out for this team (and particularly the QBs), as Raye has similar offensive ties to that of Norv Turner. From what I understand, they both worked together under Ernie Zampese, so what if Raye, while not Turner, is able to make Shaun Hill and Alex Smith comfortable? I think that’s really what the offense needs, and there’s no indication that Raye CAN’T do that. There’s just a whole bunch of knee-jerk reactions SAYING he can’t do it, and it’s ridiculous.

by sfgfan on Feb 2, 2009 9:49 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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