49er Players Contracts, 2010 Salary Cap Situation and Extension Outlooks
by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 1:14 PM PDT
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PrintI have decided to take a look at the San Francisco 49ers contract status because as this season continues it does so with a large amount of young players stepping up and taking advantage of the playing time. This means that some of them will be free agents in the coming seasons and really attractive to other teams. Have we locked them up with a contract extension? Will we lock them up? Or are we going to take the chance and let them hit free agency? Also in this thread will be a look at the 49ers 2010 cap situation assuming the league comes to a CBA.
Quarterbacks
Shaun Hill: Signed through 2011
Alex Smith: Signed through 2011 (No Salary Cap Hit if released within final year of contract)
Nate Davis: Signed through 2012 (Rookie Contract restricted FA following 2012)
Runningbacks
Frank Gore Signed through 2012
Glen Coffee Signed through 2013
Michael Robinson Signed through 2013
Moran Norris Signed through 2012
Tight Ends
Vernon Davis Signed through 2011
Delanie Walker: Signed through 2014
Wide Receivers
Brandon Jones SIgned through 2014
Jason Hill Signed through 2011
Josh Morgan Signed through 2012
Offensive Tackles
Joe Staley Signed through 2016
Adam Snyder Signed through 2012
Tony Pashos Signed through 2012
Guards
Chilo Rachal Signed through 2012
Tony Wragge Signed through 2011
Centers
Eric Heitmann Signed through 2012
Cody Wallace Signed through 2012
Defensive Ends
Justin Smith Signed through 2014
Demetric Evans Signed through 2011
Kentwan Balmer Signed through 2014
Ray McDonald Signed through 2011
Ricky-Jean Francois Signed through 2013
Defensive Tackles
Isaac Sopoaga Signed through 2013
Linebackers
Manny Lawson Signed through 2011
Parys Haralson Signed through 2014
Patrick Willis Signed through 2012
Takeo Spikes Signed through 2011
Scott Mckillop Signed through 2013
Cornerbacks
Nate Clements Signed through 2014
Tarell Brown Signed through 2011
Shawntae Spencer Signed through 2013
Marcus Hudson Signed through 2011
Safeties
Michael Lewis Signed through 2013
Dashon Goldson Signed through 2011
Reggie Smith Signed through 2012
Curtis Taylor Signed through 2013
Special Team Players
K- Joe Nedney Signed through 2012
P- Andy Lee Signed through 2013
LS- Brian Jennings Signed through 2014
2010 Free Agents
WR- Isaac Bruce
WR- Arnaz Battle
T- Barry Sims
C- David Baas
DT- Aubrayo Franklin
LB- Marques Harris
LB- Jeff Ulbrich
CB- Dre Bly
CB- Walt Harris
S- Mark Roman
Under Team Control
WR- Michael Crabtree
The 49ers are currently in deep negotiations with Tarell Brown and Dashon Goldson on contract extensions. That's a nice start and it will be cheaper then waiting for them to hit the free agent market. 49ers officials believe that Brown is a future shutdown corner opposite Clements, so of course this means that they will most likely avoid retaining Dre Bly following the 2010 season. The one major 49er free agent in 2010 will be Franklin, who has played great this season. I have not heard any reports that they are engaged in extension talks with him, so he may hit the free agent market. All the other 49ers 2010 free agents will probably not be back with the team next season. I like Ulbrich as a back up, but Mckillop seems poised to take that spot before taking over for Spikes in a couple seasons. Also the 49ers can release Alex Smith without any future salary cap ramifications. 5 49ers free agents will bring in compensatory selections, of course depending on who we will sign in free agency. It is obvious that the 49ers will need to add a couple Receivers as they have only 3 under contract past this season, this depending on the Crabtree situation. It is possible they may have to add up to 3 WR's in the off-season. I am not sure about the cap hit if they were to release Demetric Evans and Michael Lewis, both of whom the 49ers have no need for past this season. But i can see the 49ers releasing both of them. I also listed the 49ers projected 2010 draft picks, this obviously doesn't include any compensation they will receive from the Jets in the tampering case or if they should trade Crabtree. As of right now it is likely the 49ers will also receive two compensation picks for 2009 free agent losses.
I see the 49ers allowing David Baas, Mark Roman and Barry Sims to walk, this opening up 3 more positions for rookies or free agent acquisitions. If the 49ers do release Alex Smith, which i see as liekely, they will also need to acquire a QB. I am also wondering if the 49ers will trade one of their RB's as well to make room for Kory Sheets because as of now they don't have any room for him. What could they get for Robinson in a trade? They could also float Frank Gore as bait just to see what they may get for him, but i find that as most unlikely. Either way it looks like the 49ers will have a minimum 45 million to spend next off-season.
Current NFL Salary Cap: 127 million 49ers Cap Figures: 15.6 million under cap
Projected 2010 Salary Cap: 148 million Projected 49ers Cap Figures: 44.5 million under cap #2 NFL
2010 Draft picks
1st round(from Carolina)
1st round
2nd round
3rd round
4th round
5th round
6th round
7th round
(2 probable compensation picks in the losses of Donald Strickland and Ronald Fields)
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Salary cap stuff
Great collection of information. Definitely a good start to discussion (and I’ll throw out my own thoughts later today or tomorrow). Just a heads-up, but in the coming weeks we’re hoping to get a person providing front page material about the salary cap. So for folks looking for even more info, we’ll have some options. But don’t let that stop you from posting about it in FanPosts.
Thanks Fooch
That would be awesome. As the 49ers continue to improve this will be of utmost importance. The 49ers will have the ability to become on of the league’s elite teams if they play their cards right. Simply because of the cap situation and draft picks
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I am still hoping that the 49ers can sign Crabtree and with two 1st and the 2nd and 3rd round picks in 2010 this could be a much better team
Since they have not signed Baas to an extension I figure they will let him go. The question is who will they bring in for LG? Right now RT and LG would be two high choice in the draft. To get the best RT they may want to use a 1st rounder to get a LT who can play both sides if needed. LG would be a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Also, If Gore keeps getting hurt.. he had ankle problems a lot last year and now again this year. They may want to go for a high RB option.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
The RB from CAL looks pretty good i forget his name though. Three headed monster with gore,coffe,and the guy from cal
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 1, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I Am Not Sure
What to make out of Best, he won’t be an every down maller in the NFL, but i could see him used as a Chris Johnson type, he would also be great on special teams. But in the 1st round? I am not sure of that, unless of course we acquire another 1st round pick. Which is likely.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Best
Reggie Bush home run hitter? Assuming he can stay healthy of course. So you’d see him on some returns, he’d be a guy who can stretch the field as a running back, stuff like that I suppose?
by David Fucillo on Oct 1, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I Wouldn't Be Opposed
to drafting Best if the situation plays out that we have 3 1st round picks or if for some reason he drops to the 2nd round, most unlikely.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Have we found Gore's replacement?
If not, draft a running back, not neccessarily Best but draft one. I think we made a mistake by not taking one of the backs drafted in rounds 1 and 2. Jury is still out on Coffee though, so we’ll see!
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Eric Berry anyone?
Where Would
A drafted RB fit into our roster? I was looking at getting rid of Robinson to make room for Sheets. So your saying get rid or Robinson to make room for a rookie? I do think that Coffee is our RB of the future, he reminds me of Emmit Smith a great deal, not to compare the two, just the running style. Where do you stand on that?
As it is we are going to have at the very least 10 picks in the draft, so we can afford to take some chances.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 2, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
No I was asking do we have Gore's replacement.
This happened to The San Diego Chargers when they let Turner leave and kept Tomlinson. I don’t want to see Gore go, but there is a business side to Football. I say put Gore on the block after this season, IF you have found his replacement. If you don’t feel you have(we haven’t) try to find another gem. I’m all for trading RB’s while they are hot!! They have the life expectancy of bad gas!
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Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
Gore is our best offensive player. They have to give coffee more snaps so that Gore doesn’t have to take all the abuse. Even if they find a replacement that makes the offense even better.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 2, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The Shelf Life For A NFL RB Is Short
The line between being in your prime and becoming old is very thing in the NFL when it comes to RB’s. I am not sure how many big season Gore has left and if his shelf life is longer because of his limited number of carries compared to players like Tomlinson. But the 49ers also need to be smart when it comes to this. If Coffee is indeed his replacement then it would suit the 49ers to have him start sooner rather then later. I am not saying get rid of Gore, that would be a huge mistake. But we can float the ideal of him being available in a trade to see what we could get for him. I am not saying seriously consider it, but all avenues must be left open.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Gore had ankle injuries that kept him out of games last year and now again this year.
It may be close to the time when they may want to look at getting a future replacement if Coffee doesn’t do it in the next 2 games or however many other games he will start this year.
Are there any top RBs coming out in 2010?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Not Really!
Evan Royster, Jahvid Best and CJ Spiller are considered the top 3 RB’s in the 2010 class and i really don’t see any of the three as every down mallers in the NFL. I think you also have to give Coffee more then two games to prove his worth. Remember when he succeeded in the preseason most of it was against the other team’s #1 defensive players because Gore barely played.
If we were to consider trading Gore, and that is an extreme hypothetical then we would need to put all of our eggs in the proverbial Coffee canister. Also we would need to get a couple of high picks in return or a star quality player ala the Bailey-Portis trade and i am not sure ANY team would give that up.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
When Cutler was up for trade I mentioned trading Gore.
Only because I am scared of his injuries coming up, but absolutley no knock on his skill. I thought the 09 draft class would have the best replacements to offer over ‘10 and ’11. Glad we didn’t do anything like that, but as I said I thought SD should have kept Turner and traded LT, and that Franchise would be better off today and maybe LT too! And Brown and Eagles RB don’t look bad. Not what Gore is but would have been a good combo with another heavy back!
Avid supporter of trading up for E Berry.
AKA.........Optimist Prime (wishing I could change my handle, thought about it.........naaaaaaaaahhhh, love me some Ronnie "no pinky" Lott)
Agreed
In retrospect aren’t we happy the 49ers didn’t go after Cassell and Cutler? I mean Hill is having a better season then the two and making far less mistakes.
Yeah i am completely with you regarding the LT/Turner situation, i didn’t see it being a great decision for SD to keep LT. One difference between LT and Gore is that Gore has a lot less mileage on his legs due to injury and shared carries. But the 49ers may just want to broach this subject in the off-season especially if they can get a couple nice picks and Coffee proves himself. These are all large IF’S and it is difficult to imagine even considering trading our best offensive player. But let us all remember the shelf life for an NFL RB is 8 years at the most.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Stupid of me to think maybe Sheets could be that Chris Johnson type?
I think he has that possibility. I know I liked him and also the kid from Liberty in last years drafts as possible development prospects.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
That Is Just A Projection
I found on a web site, but it seems about right. If they were to release Smith and Lewis this could easily hit 50, with some affect on the 2011 cap. Besides having multiple early picks the 49res can go after top free agents
A look at who i expect San Francisco to target
WR- Steve Breaston, Arizona
WR- Anquan Bolden, Arizona
WR- Chris Chambers, San Diego
WR- VIncent Jackson, San Diego
WR- Braylon Edwards, Cleveland
WR- Lee Evans, Buffalo
WR- MIchael Jenkins, Atlanta
T- Chad Clifton, Green Bay
G- Darryn Colledge, Green Bay
T- Marcus Mcneil, San Diego I want him
DE- Alex Brown, Chicago Great fit opposite Smith
DT- Casey Hampton, Pittsburgh
LB- Thomas Davis, Carolina
LB- Elvis Dumirvil, Denver
LB- Thomas Howard, Oakland
LB- Shawne Merrimen, San Diego
LB- Demarcus Ware, Dallas
S- Roman Harper, New Orleans
S- Dawon Landry, Baltimire
Now some of these players will be franchised meaning they won’t be on the open market. But my gut tells me that Brandon Marshall, Anquan Bolden and Shawne Merrimen will not be franchised. Regardless the 2010 free agent class is one of the most talented in recent history
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Does McNeil play both RT and LT?
Colledge looks good for LG if the 49ers don’t draft one early on.
Shawne Merrimen would be a catch or even Ware.
Who do you like in the WRs? If we don’t sign Crabtree we will need a good possession receiver… one with size would be great.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I Would
go after lesser know WR’s. Like Vincent Jackson or Michael Jenkins. They are both solid receivers who has show great ability. Mcneil can play both spots, if i am not mistaken he is playing LT for the Chargers. Yeah i really do like Collledge, he would be a major upgrade over Baas, who we could slap a transition tag on and get a middle round pick for in a trade. Ware will most likely be franchised, but i don’t see AJ Smith franchise Merrimen at all, they have Sproles who they franchised this season as well as VIncent Jackson and Marcus Mcneil to worry about losing as well.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
And Character Issues
But i would be willing to take the bad to get all that good.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
No Love for Breaston?
Just thinking he’d probably be less cost/hassle for us. And kinda surprised you didn’t have him in there with Jackson and Jenkins. Hampton made me drool a bit but then you take into account he’s 32. Would like/love to get McNeil, Colledge could be good and fill that need spot and give us the ability to pick up a pick. Nocal has Pashos as signed thru 2k12, is that true? I thought he was just signed for this year.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Personally...
I’d rather have Vincent Jackson than Anquan Boldin. No disrespect to Q, but Jackson is a rising star in this league, and he won’t command a contract anywhere near what Boldin’s going to be asking for.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
He's been playing well
Either way I think we should target guys coming out of SD
They can only franchise one of them….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 1, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
San Diego has 3 players i could see the 49ers targeting and four major free agents heading into the 2010 off-season. They can only franchise one of them and my best bet would be Darren Sproles due to the fact that LT is pretty much done. Good thing for the Niners that they one they would franchise we wouldn’t be interested in.
OT- Marcus Mcneil
LB- Shawne Merrimen
WR- Vincent Jackson
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
nocal81... can you put that into the 49ers Christmas list?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
i was looking at that 44.5 million under
that is niiiiccceee! i like where this team is heading into we are looking good as a team this year but im excited about the future as well. we got nice draft picks next year. then we always pick up a couple free agents every year (hope there good) we can even sign or trade crabtree for draft picks to possibly get more draft picks or proven good players. we are pretty good right now but u guys imagine next year? if say we get two solid first rounders that can contribute right away in areas of need. A couple solid free agents (maybe Anquan Boldin, just throwing it out there lol) i think we will start to become one of the favorites in the nfc which makes me and all of the 49er faithful reeaaalllyy happy.
Yeah
They can release him within a year of his contract expiring. So if it were to set to expire at the start of free agency 2011 then they could release him without no hit at the start of free agency 2010. At least thjat is what i got out of it
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I Am Sure
some team would pick him up as a 2nd or 3rd option. This also leaves us that other question broached in another topic. Do the Niners draft a QB and go with two inexperienced signal callers behind Hill or do they sign a veteran?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
You are assuming that Davis does not win the starting job in 2010....
Probably the most likely but I would like to see Davis get his chance..
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Hill
hasn’t done anything to lose his starting job. We will have to see how the rest of the season plays out but i don’t see the 49ers have an open quarterback competition heading into the 2010 season. I think the 49ers brass want to see more out of Davis before making that commitment.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
If we make the playoffs with a crappy QB...
then the organization has to wonder what can be done with someone better under center. Guaranteeing Hill’s job based on how many games his defense wins for him is downright dumb.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Call it what you want.
It should be fairly easy to upgrade at the position and it would be exceptionally foolish to not even try.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Im not saying
DONT try and get better at EVERY position. I just think Hill needs a little respect for what he has done so far
What hasn't Hill done
Besides not pass the “combine” test (i.e. he doesn’t have the rocket arm or the speed). He’s 10-4 as a starter on a crappy team. What more do you want from the guy? He wins, and especially lately, he’s been making plays. He doesn’t pass for huge numbers, but you try to work with a 70 year old Issac Bruce as your #1 wide out.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 4, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ
He’s 10-4 as a starter on a crappy team.
You make it sound like he’s taken the team on his shoulders and carried us to all of those victories. The defense and special teams play are the reasons for that record. We have won in spite of him, not because of him.
I really don’t want this to turn into another “Hill is the savior of this franchise” debate. Just please understand that he can be replaced pretty easily, and the team will likely try to do exactly that after this season.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Look
Here are the facts:
With Hill, those teams are 10-4 (.714), without Hill, those teams are 5-17 (.227).
Would Peyton Manning be better? Yeah, he would. But Hill is half a win per game better than the other QBs we’ve employed the last 3 years. Would you rather have Matt Cassel? Jason Campbell? David Garrard? Trent Edwards? Jamarcus Russel?
With our defense, we don’t need a gunslinger, in fact we probably don’t want a gunslinger, we need a solid guy who isn’t going to make stupid decisions. That’s what we’ve got in Hill, and that’s what our team needs. There are other positions that are worse off than QB (O-line, WR).
The NFL is about making smart plays, and thus far Hill has been excellent. He hasn’t turned the ball over (the one INT was Walker’s fault, and even still it was effectively a 37 yard punt), and he’s made plays when he needed to (i.e. that drive in Minny).
Name 20 guys better than Hill, if you can’t do that, you have to admit that he’s a legitimate average NFL starting QB (which is pretty darn good). He’s certainly going to throw a few ducks, but so does Favre (I’m on to the acceptance step…), and so did/does Warner, even in the Ram days. I don’t care how the balls get there, as long as they result in completions and touchdowns instead of incompletions and interceptions.
He may not have the rocket laser arm, but he’s a decent NFL QB, and that’s all our defense needs. Every now and then, somebody’s gonna go down the field in 90 seconds with no timeouts, and complete a miraculous 30 yard strike, but not often.
And I’ll end with the worst pun of the decade:
The grass is rarely greener on the other side of the Hill.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Name 20 guys better than Hill
Much better:
Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, Donovan McNabb, Jay Cutler, Brett Favre, Matt Ryan, Kurt Warner, Matt Hasselbeck, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Schaub, Aaron Rogers
Better:
Chad Pennington, Trent Edwards, Joe Flacco, David Garrard, Kerry Collins, Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo, Daunte Culpepper
Slightly better:
Charlie Batch, Byron Leftwich, Kevin Kolb, Mark Sanchez, Matthew Stafford, Seneca Wallace
That’s 29 by my count. Take out the marginal guys in the last category, and you’ve still got 23.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
These guys are between better and slightly better: Cutler (too many mistakes), Hasselbeck (too old and injured), and Warner (old). A lot of the other guys have a lot of wear and tear on them. McNabb (already) and Favre will not make it through an entire season healthy.
The entire “Better” category falls into slightly better at best, and Culpepper? Seriously? Seriously?
Batch? Leftwich? You’re not being serious. They may look more like NFL players, but they’re not.
I’ll give you 18 of those guys. I will not give you the entire “slightly better” category, along with Collins, Garcia, Culpepper, and Pennington. And Romo, just too many bonehead plays… plus he plays for the Cowboys.
Outcome: He’s an average NFL starter with crappy receivers.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hill
Has driven his team downfield on two different occasions this year. One was a loss and one was a win. The D was on the field for the last seconds of the loss wasn’t it? Hill had 2 seconds left and STILL put it in Vernons bread basket (which he dropped) to give the team a chance. So I don’t know what you seeing. Sounds completely biased and unbased on anything substantial. Hill is getting national recognition now. So your “crappy QB” theory is getting weaker and weaker each week
Okay.
So you’re guaranteeing his job based on two drives in three games, despite that fact that he has been at the helm of a pretty pathetic offensive unit, and I’m being irrational by judging him based on statistical analysis.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
What statistical analysis?
Let me ask you this? What is the reason teams play? To win? or for stats?
Because Hill has on more than just those particular 2 games done this…so?? Let’s see your horrible stats…back it up
+1 So True
Like Singletary say any win is a pretty win. Would you rather be the 08’ Cowboys averaging 28PPG and missing the playoffs or the super bowl champion Baltimore Ravens who had Trent Dilfer at the helm. I will not compare Hill to Dilfer in anyway but it’s just an example.
Sure Hill isn’t the long term answer at QB, this much i will admit. But who knows that Davis is? I would rather have a winner with limited talent while allowing a backup to mature then the alternative!!!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he's
29 almost 30 years old, but if he leads us to the playoffs for the next few years in a row, I will be very thankful for that. As well as having Davis or possible someone else learn behind Hill on what it takes to be a winner
Kurt Warner
after all was 28 years old when he took over as the starting QB for the Rams and look at him still…
Um no
No i believe he is guaranteeing his the job based on his overall performance for the 49ers over the last 3 seasons, however speratic it may have been. The 49ers have averaged 23.7 PPG in his starts over the last 3 seasons. That’s pathetic huh? I just don’t see it. 6-0 at home as a starting QB, that is protecting your turf and he makes very few mistakes. Not to attack you in any way. I just want to know what is your deal with Hill? No he isn’t Montana or Young but we don’t need Montana or Young right now.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would someone replace a QB who is helping the team to victories? That makes zero sense.
I have a feeling that all the people that have no faith in Hill will be the same people who are jumping on the Hill bandwagon )so-to-speak) if he leads this team to a Superbowl…. or maybe not… some people will just hate for the sake of hating
I Agree 100 Percent
Not to have a love feast regarding Hill but all i care about is W-L right? I could care less how we get the wins. How could 49ers fans even question Hill’s passion? or winning? Or composure? That is just hard to do if you ask me.
And regarding the 2010 draft i will repeat my opinion one final time. Bradford, Mccoy, Tebow and Snead do not impress me. Jimmy Clausen is who the 49ers should target and that won’t be until 2011 because he has pretty much assured Notre Dame that he will return for a senior season
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
draft
I am more of the same opinion as Fooch on this one. I don’t care for any of the above (with the exception of Bradford) but thats because I am an OU fan not because I think he would be a good NFL QB. Honestly out of all those mentioned above, I personally wouldn’t put alot of stock in them; Clausen included. I am under the impression that alot of ND fans think Clausen is a God because its been ages since they’ve seen a halfway decent QB there. Getting a QB later on for us (3rd or 4th round) would work out better. Montana was a 3rd round pick and Brady was a 6th rounder. Finding a hidden gem like that would be of better value to us. We can certainly use the help in other areas. Spikes is getting old, we’re still unsure about Lawson…Right Tackle is a concern…I mean there’s some positions that front office has higher concern about. Especially if Hill’s gonne be around for 3 to 4 years. Davis would have all that back up and whoever else we got. Maybe we wait until Montana’s kid has a couple years up at U of Washington; if he’s 3/4 the QB his dad was, I will take him in a heartbeat. How awesome would that be?
Brady Quinn Led Us
to a BCS game. I will admit that as a ND alum i am bias towards that team. But do me a favor and watch a Fightin Irish game, that are nationally telavised every game, and tell me that he isn’t an NFL star. With this i am saying that he could be playing at FSU, my least favorite college program. The talent, the passion and the heart is what brings be to him. He reminds me of another Joe Montana in terms of that, although i will never compare a college QB to a 4 time super bowl champion.
Arm Strength CHECK
Accuracy CHECK
Mobilitiy CHECK
Confidence CHECK
Passion CHECK
Leadersnip CHECK
Lets hope all these teams take Bradford, Snead, Mccoy, Tebow and yes even some other QB before our first 2nd round pick. In that i would take two inexperienced QB’s over a veteran signee.
And you say that you like Bradford just because he is an OU QB, then attack a ND QB. Confusing to say the least
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Turf toe CHECK (haha jk)
It’s really tough to say that any college QB will be good or bad for sure. It’s all really just a gamble. There have been great college QB’s i.e. Matt Leinart, Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell, etc. that haven’t done well at the NFL level and then on the other side of the spectrum mediocre college QB’s that have done great.
And on Bradford- I just think he is too flimsy…he’s super skinny and he can barely hang with the smaller college players so to think that he will hold up.
And I am not garunteeing that Clausen will be good or bad, or even mediocre cause its impossible to say for sure, but I think because of the national recognition, whoever gets him will have to pay him big dollars (and then there’s that no garuntee thing again). So for me, it just makes more sense to get a guy later, pay less, and hope for him to develop like a Brady or Montana type of guy. If not, keep pulling the lever to the slot machine, ya know?
I really liked
Clausens backup last week…what was his name? Dayne Crist or something like that? He looked pretty good too
Yeah Crist Will Win For My Irish
Very good QB. Clausen just shows a Peyton Manning type. On call every play, knowing when to audible and understanding the defense. This added to his accurace, strength, passion and mobility leads me to think he will be a great NFL QB. Crist will be as well. But i watch the game and even though i was in South Bend on the sidelines against the Spartans, i know one thing he has everything it takes
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I just would hate to see another deal like Alex Smith happen to us. And I am not saying that would be the case with any of the top rated QB’s that will be entering the 2010 NFL Draft. I just think after that ordeal, we should play it a little more conservatively regarding that specific position. I mean if we did end up with Clausen I would be the first person ( well maybe second behind you) to support him. But we absolutley need to do things the right way from here on out. So I just laugh when folks are like “throw Davis in there, he’s the best thing we’ve seen since Young”. Things have to unfold at a slower more strategic pace. I hope we learned something from the entire Smith era.
Better for us so we don’t have worry about trying to get him this year.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 1, 2009 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the point Hill “detractors” (which is probably too harsh) are trying to make is that he is in a very good position in comparison to his talent level. I don’t think anyone is questioning his passion or composure. There are simply plenty of QBs in the league right now who can “manage” games, if that’s all you tell them to do. The Niners are doing a great job with what they’ve got right now.
I don’t see super-stardom ever coming for Hill; however, I think we’re in an especially great position for next season. He’s no Big Ben, Eli, or Flacco, but those are three guys who recently have had time to develop their skills and confidence riding on the coattails of teams with great defenses and running games. I don’t think Hill is anything above an average QB at best, but I definitely have enough confidence (at least, right now) in him and in our system to think we really don’t have to worry about QB in the draft for 2010 (unless we’re presented with a spectacular opportunity).
Confidence and consistency are a two-way street for NFL QBs, and I think Hill at least has the opportunity to get in to the fast lane.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Oct 7, 2009 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Since When Was Hill Crappy?
I really haven’t seen that. He isn’t the most talented signal caller in the league and won’t pass for 300+ game in and game out. But he manages the game well and wins. What more can you ask for? Much like Garcia he is doing as best he can with the ability he has. And for that i cannot call him crappy nor can i dismiss his record as a 49ers QB.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Hill is not a bad qb, his stats might be god like but he wins which is what counts.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 1, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends i say go draft another guy and if hill gets hurt well davis will have show if hes the guy
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 1, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, It is very possible that the 49ers could stay with Hill, Smith and Davis next year
Just let Smith’s contract run out and continue to evaluate Davis. If they feel they still need another QB then draft one in 2011.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
The problem with that is
that there won’t be as much selection in the 2011 draft. Next year will be stacked with QB’s. If we wait, we could miss out
I Just Don't See
the 49ers allowing Smith to waste a roster spot. It is clear that he doesn’t fit into the teams long term plans and we have our established #1 short term signal caller in Shaun Hill. Now the question remains is that are there any better options then Smith in the 2010 free agent class? That remains to be seen, but i do agree on waiting until 2011 to draft a QB.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the question would be can the 49ers get a good QB in the 2010 draft in a later round like 3rd or later?
Also, if they upgrade the RT and LG spots in free agency, then that will open up one of the 1st round picks where they could go for a QB.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
I agree if we fix the o line in free agency then we can see if a good QB falls to us with carolinas pick
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 1, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
As I Stated In Another Post
The 49ers don’t have the room to draft a QB in the 2010 NFL draft, unless they are planning on keeping 4 QB’s or getting rid of either Hill or Davis, the latter is going to happen. I would not be comfortable with two inexperienced QB’s backing up Shaun Hill. Would You?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually it wouldn’t bother me that much. If hill does go down we see davis play and see if how he does
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 1, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Momentum?
Season down the drain? If Hill goes down, Davis would not be the guy going in. Alex Smith is the back up. I hope you knocked on some wood after posting that comment
drafting
Why not spend a 3rd or 4th round pick on a QB, if there is one you like there? I think Nate Davis has the talent to potentially be an answer, but I don’t see any problem adding another young arm in 2010. Not something they have to do, but I could see some value in having a pair of young arms behind Shaun Hill in 2010.
by David Fucillo on Oct 1, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reply Fail
The above post was in response to Fooch’s comment
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
QB
Well what if this team wins the division with Shaun Hill starting the entire season and putting together some respectable numbers. I could see the team being willing to go Davis #2 and the rookie #3.
I’m not saying it’ll happen, but I think there is a potential situation where the team feels comfortable with 2 young guys behind Hill. I guess am more just arguing against making conclusory statements about the QB position.
by David Fucillo on Oct 1, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I Wasn't Attempting To
make conclusive statements. What i meant was “i cannot see the 49ers doing that” But it is a different league now then it was before. It also depends on offensive line additions. If were are able to sign Mcneil and draft a guard then the 49ers may decide to go with a rookie QB and David behind Hill only because the offensive line would be vastly improved
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If it were my team and this was the case it is exactly what I would do.
I would definitely love to have two young arms learning behind hill. It’s time to part ways with Smith.
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Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
Hey
did anyone watch the Notre Dame-Washington game? Both Locker and Clausen were absolutely amazing. The ND QB is an absolute stud. 420 yards passing against a pretty good Huskies secondary.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Draft day trade with the panthers!! LOL
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Eric Berry anyone?
Backup?
He could start for the Raiders. Smith will get signed by someone. If Dorsey could hang around as long as he did some team will give Smith a look.
Don't sweat it. I'm illiterate.
by methodrampage on Oct 2, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
hey trade him to the panthers for a 3rd and 5th
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Eric Berry anyone?
Holy (site decruom) thats one hell of list. Im am drooling reading it lol. If get like two of those free agents and the draft, we are set. Go NIners
Yeah
The free agent class is absolutely filled with stars who have major talent. I could easily see the 49ers signing 2 or 3 of those on that list as a supplement to what promises to be a great draft class. The 2010 off-season could easily turn out to be one that makes the 49ers contenders and among the league’s elite teams. Not it’s up to the front office to get er done.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I get the impression from Jed that he wants to be like his Uncle Eddie...
So if one or two prime free agents are available in a need position then I think he would go for it especially with all the cap room.
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+1 Don't Look Now
But we do have the right York leading this team. I truly believe that he is committed to winning and is not afraid to spend the money and take the chances needed to do so. But i guess considering the previous failure of his father it may be hard for some to draw this conclusion
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
At least he has a clue. Our Niners are on the path to greatness
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 1, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Just Look At It
Pretty much no “dead money” heading into the 2010 off-season, the best cap situation in football, one of the best coaches in the NFL, at least two 1st round picks, a top 5 defense and a fan base that is absolutely stoked. Now i am not saying we are in contention for the Super Bowl this season, that would be extremely premature. What i am saying is that we are contending way before many of us dreamed. Just remember where this franchise was one year ago!! And how much has changed since. It is pretty remarkable and York has to be given some credit for that,
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I Have
Brandon Jones listed. Even with him the 49ers only have 3 WR’s signed past this year. Josh Morgan, Jason Hill and Brandon Jones. I am going to assume Isaac Bruce will retire considering he almost did this off-season. Do we consider bringing Battle back? Or has his time come up with the niners?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Battle
he works well out of the slot. I like Morgan-1, Jones-2, and Battle-3…Hill to come in on a 4WR set. If we get one in the draft or free agency then obviously that changes things but if you’re talking about having only those guys, I think it will help to have Battle. He was up there on the depth chart for a couple seasons. Maybe due to lack of talent but I like Battle. Followed him since his days at Notre Dame. If we let him go, someone will for sure pick him up.
I Am A Huge Battle Fan
And have also been since his days at ND. But as the talent level continue to increas for the 49ers and they rise to the top tier of the NFL it looks like Battle will be phased out. He is a good possession receiver and has great hands, but some times you have to make the hard decisions as a team. Yeah of course he was our #1 WR, but that was on a 2-14 team right? At this point in his career Battle should be no better then a #4 WR on a good team
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah maybe
but wouldn’t you want to have a “possesion” type guy in the slot? Especially in a 3rd down passing situation? Idk…I like Hill too…and I am sure we will be getting another WR either via free agency or the draft next year..possibly more, who knows. I just like him as the #3 if thats all we have next year…but thats prob not reality. I am sure you are right though, they are phasing him out.
What gives you the impression that the 49ers will release M. Lewis?
Granted he is getting older and his pass coverage is sub par, but he is an integral part of the NFC’s #1 run defense.
I was "Deific16"
The cake is a lie.
by Sultan of Seitan on Oct 1, 2009 2:02 PM PDT reply actions
agree
Why do the 49ers have no need for Lewis after this season?
by David Fucillo on Oct 1, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Error On My Part
I meant to say if the 49ers drafted Berry or signed a player like Landry then they would have no need for Lewis next year.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
They'll be drafting Eric Berry!
And hiring Lott as DB’s coach……….JK about lott!!
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Eric Berry anyone?
Only if they find a better option.
Berry or Mays both have better ballhawking skills and are solid tacklers. I’d imagine that one of these two will wear the red and gold next year if Carolina permits!
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Eric Berry anyone?
Just To Get Younger
Lewis has done everything asked of him and more. But he is no longer an all-pro like in his Eagle days. The only way they would consider releasing him is if they drafted Eric Berry or signed a younger player with more upside like Dawon Landry from Baltimore. I would be okay with Lewis starting in the 2010 season. It was just an option i threw out there.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
What could they get for Robinson in a trade?
Not much I would imagine. He’s mainly a special teams/ special plays type of guy. There’s not much worth there. At least that’s my opinion
He Is A Speical Teams Ace
And that does have some value. I am looking at a 5th or 6th round pick. I like what Robinson brings to the table in terms of special teams and as a backup FB, but we can’t hide Sheets on the practice squad forever.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I just
don’t see value in Robinson. I think he’ll be one of those guys that you lose track of in time
Why would the 49ers want to trade Robinson?
If Kory Sheets starts tearing it up I could see them trying to make room for him on the roster, but there’s a reason he when undrafted. And there’s a reason he cleared waivers so the 49ers could put him on their practice squad. Robinson, on the other hand, is a ST stud. We already have Gore and Coffee so Sheets would only be the #3 RB. Why get rid of a guy who, if I’m not mistaken, is the ST captain, to replace him with a guy that won’t see a lot of playing time?
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Robinson is one of the 6 team captains this season
I knew he was a team captain last year, but I wasn’t sure about this year. So I double checked and he is. Why would the 49ers get rid of a player who has proven himself a stud on ST and a leader on the field to replace him with a player who’s own collage coach had nothing but bad things to say about him?
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Well Then
If we cannot trade him we may have to consider releasing him. I just really want to see Sheets on the active roster next season. Plus we will most likely draft a young FB in the later rounds to eventually replace Norris. So there really isn’t any room for Robinson as much as i respect him as a player
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 2:59 PM PDT reply actions
The one major 49er free agent in 2010 will be Franklin, who has played great this season. I have not heard any reports that they are engaged in extension talks with him, so he may hit the free agent market. All the other 49ers 2010 free agents will probably not be back with the team next season.
I think the 49ers started rotating Sopoaga to the nose this year in hopes he may be able to take over after Franklin, freeing up one of the DE spots for Balmer.
I Have Heard
Two different theories in terms of drafting a NT for a 3-4 system. #1 that it doesn’t pan out to take one early on or #2 If a stud is available take him, i supported the second theory before but am not 100 percent sure about that now. Either way there are absolutely no NT’s in free agency that would interest me, and none are an upgrade over Franklin. This could change if the Patriots lets Wilfork walk, but lets be honest here. How many see that actually happening?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably not going to happen they need more than ever now since most of thier defence is gone. We need to draft one somewhere in the first 3 rounds
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 1, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
New England
does have a history of letting top tier free agents walk without placing the franchise tag. Deion Branch and Ashante Samuel come to mind. But it would be a pipe dream to think that they would let Wilfork walk. Though they did draft Ron Brace in the 2nd round in 2009, obviously not as a back-up in the 3-4 scheme.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
They traded R. Seymore to the Raiders.
So I don’t think the Pats will have a problem letting Wilfork becoming a FA. Depends on what kind of money he’s asking for and the progress of Ron Brace. I’m pretty sure they didn’t draft Brace to ride the pine for another 4-5 years behind Wilfork. They could also attempt to trade him for a top pick, too.
Actually Sopoaga and Franklin
have been playing side by side and playing very well. Sopoaga has been playing almost exclusively at LDE and has had a great season vs. the run. He continually puts pressure by driving the OL back to the QB. He has shown tremendous improvement and will be a fixture on the DL for a long time. This guy is a real street fighter and watching him go to it is a treat. Just proves that it pays to take the time to develop defensive linemen.
Kezarvet
I'm Sorry
But I’m going the route of finding some really good Linemen. Either in FA Market
( which hasn’t been good ) or the Draft. My greatest fear is being realized !
I'm going to assume he meant offensive linemen.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
Alex Smith
Why couldn’t they have started Alex Smith and just play him and play him .Maybe he would break out.Maybe not.Just like the Texans gave David Carr ALL the chances in the world.After what,5 seasons of play,the Texans finally let him go.I really wish they could have let Alex Smith play and hopefully he would develop.If he didn’t well then release him at the end of the season and they still wouldn’t have gotten hit in the cap.Then draft another QB or sign a proven veteran.
Really?
Not to continue to disagree with you or play devil’s advocate. But Smith has had ample chances to take hold of that starting job and at every turn he has failed. We can’t discount that he is a great guy and even a better teammate, i mean he was Shaun Hill’s best man this summer, but at some point he needs to start looking like an NFL QB and not a chicken with his head cut off. Singletary gave him every chance to win the starting job and he didn’t. One would have a hard time questioning that he is more talented the Shaun Hill but as many QB’s in the NFL have proved talent isn’t everything. Hill has proven to be a winner and Smith hasn’t. It really is that simple
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Because
Alex has proven that he just doesn’t have the natural instincts for the position. Hill has them. Why waste any more time with Alex? By the way, did you notice that Nate Davis was active last week? He may well be #2 in Singletary’s mind but he is just keeping quiet about it.
Kezarvet
Yeah
I guess you guys are right.I just wanted Alex Smith to work (a far fecthed dream that is now).But your right kezarvet.We got Nate Davis who I had forgotten about.
by Smallville49er on Oct 2, 2009 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Crabtree
I just HOPE Crabtree doesn’t end up in Dallas and becomes a Anquan Boldin type player and makes a HUGE impact in the NFL.That is my worst nightmare of him playing for the Cowboys and becoming one of the best receivers in the NFL.I believe the 49ers should offer him another 10 million and get him signed.The 49ers might learn not to go after players that are attached with that greedy Eugene Parker anymore as well.
UM
No i really love Crabtree’s talent and what a great addition he would be as a “player” but i just don’t want the headache that comes with him. When you have Deion Sanders as your handler in the press it doesn’t say anything good. Anyone who remembers Terrell Owens needs to think about how much worse Deion Sanders was as a premadonna and distraction. Singletary has built this team with two simple premises. Give all of your ability, heart and passion to the game of football and be more about the team then yourself. It is obvious that Crabtree is a complete 180 from this theory. Also giving into his contract demands would create a precedent in the NFL one that could singly create a work stoppage following the 2010 season when the CBA expires. I think the 49ers should set another precedent by saying that they are not going to give in to the diva WR that hasn’t proven a damn thing in the NFL and is handled by two people i wouldn’t trust my next of kin with. I say take the compensation picks we will receive in the tampering case and yes trade Crabtree to the Cowgirls for a 1st and 3rd round pick or something like that. He can be Romo’s headache not ours.
This is also why i would avoid Brandon Marshall at all cost.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 1, 2009 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Putting his contract above playing has soured me on Crabtree.
I’d much rather have a guy like A. Curry, who also held out into training camp but couldn’t stand to not be playing. A player who isn’t absolutely drooling to get on the field his rookie year is a guy who may not have the desire it takes to excel in the NFL. Imho.
Why is everyone so confident we'll get something from the Jets?
Tampering is increadibly hard to prove. The Jets can say they called Parkman because they needed to talk to him about one of their own players. I’m not saying the NFL won’t find the Jets guilty, it’s just really far from a sure thing.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
There has to be something there
I doubt the Niners would put themselves in the public spotlight if they did not have something concrete against them. There is obviously something there. They would not just blindly accuse the Jets based off of nothing. Kind of a risky move making a flase accusation. Being that we have experience in tampering with Briggs in recent years, sure the Niners law team has a good grasp on whats gonna fly and whats not
We may not get zilch… but there has to be something there ya know?
The Niners should know what's up wrt tampering
They got caught with Briggs on what seemed to the team like a judgement call. Goodell would be truly an a-hole if he didn’t use the same measuring stick here. And he would be an even bigger a-hole if he didn’t recognize the difference between talking to a PO’d free agent to be and a first round draft pick. If the Jets did something, they have seriously, seriously hurt the Niners because we’ve lost an early first round draft pick (only the most valuable commodity in the NFL), whereas we just spoke to a future free agent a little early. It’s not something that wouldn’t have happened anyways, and the Bears still had first dibs on getting a contract to work.
If something happened, we have been put at a significant disadvantage, having lost a draft pick, and should at least receive a compensatory pick, regardless of the punishment the Jets receive.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 4, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Completely Agree
Also it set a precedent i am sure the NFL doesn’t want to set. The draft is the single most important franchise building aspect of the off-season and to clearly break the rules and possibly cost another team a high 1st round pick is not a minor infraction of the CBA. I believe that Goodell will go down hard on the Jets and i think he must reward the 49ers at least an equivlant of a 10th pick. Be it a late 1st and early 3rd. Or a 2nd and 3rd etc……
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
clearly break the rules
As evidenced by the Niners’ tampering issue from a few years ago, it’s not usually “clear.”
I believe that Goodell will go down hard on the Jets
If they did something, I think he’ll come down hard, but not too hard, on the Jets. The Niners won’t get the equivalent of a #10 pick. Especially since we’ve got two first round picks and a good team already. If we were Detroit (err… the Rams) and didn’t have a 2010 first round pick and were terrible, he’d be more inclined to help us out. And late 1st and early 3rd is NOT worth a #10, not even close. Mid-first and early third, maybe…
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually I believe if Goodell finds that the Jet's did tamper with Crabtree
That he will come down hard. This is something that he will want to put a stop to. It can kill the existing slotting system and hurt teams like the 49ers that need that pick to compete.
If Crabtree signs with the 49ers the cost to the Jet’s will be a lot less but it will still cost them.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
It wouldn't just kill the slotting system
It’d kill the entire draft process and effectively create an auction system.
The punishment should fit the crime. If they called Parker and said “We’ll give Mike $40M over 5 years with 25M guaranteed and $15M in reachable incentives, X, Y, and Z” that’s one thing. If Parker called them and pried out of them, “We need another playmaking receiver, if we had drafted first tier WR, we’d have given him about $40M,” it’s a different matter. We’ll see.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 5, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Goodell
should never even consider the strength of our team when deciding what to award us in this situation. In my opinion that doesn’t have a single thing to do with the Jets tampering.
Now the reason why i believe the Jets will be hit hard if this is proven true is because it sets a dangerous precedent that teams draft picks are not safe from tampering and that could affect not only the slotting system but a team’s ability to negotiate with incoming rookies. It is not a precedent that i believe Goodell and the NFL’s brass will stand for.
As exampled with the Briggs situation “tampering” has become widespread in the league in terms of pending veteran free agents. And i don’t believe they want to see the same thing happening with rookies. If it does then it would make a debacle of the entire draft process and limit team’s abilities to build through the draft which remains the #1 way to build a team. This is just my humble opinion
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 6, 2009 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Fooch
You posted three times on my thread, twice saying that i beat you to the punch.
Why not front page this topic? you talk about an insider bringing this to dicusson, but bro it already as.
I don’t need some scrub from the outusde discussing what we are already doing her
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 2, 2009 5:30 AM PDT reply actions
front page
I just haven’t had time. I’ve had other stuff to put up prior to this. I Rec’d and there are currently 2 Rec’s, so if we can get a third Rec it’ll move up to the Recommended FanPosts for a good while.
by David Fucillo on Oct 2, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Because...
I suspect the guy Fooch is bringing in has been doing Cap articles for a few years now. If you’ve read them, they are pretty in depth.
Well, we're waiting....
I'm thinking A. Franklin will be gone next year.
The FO has been extending contracts of players they wish to keep because of the uncertainties surrounding the “uncapped” 2010 year and the CBA. So why haven’t they begun negotiations with Franklin? I can see only two reasons for that – either they don’t plan on him being on the team past this year or Franklin is determined to test his value in FA. I won’t attempt to guess which scenario is the more likely, just point out that it appears the team is willing to lose him. Which leads us to who will replace him.
There are several options the team can pursue:
1. Move Sopoaga to NT and draft a good future prospect in the mid-rounds. This appears the most likely alternative to me, as they can insert Balmer at the LDE position and keep Demetric Evans while developing RJF. But can Sopoaga play 2-gap NT? He failed there under Nolan several years ago and was subsequently moved to LDE. He is playing very well this year, but that’s no guarantee he can hold the point against doubles and shed blockers to get the RB on either side if moved to NT.
2. Bring in a FA who can start. V. Wilfork from the Pats could step in, and the team has lots of FA dollars, but he may not be available and I don’t see anyone else hitting FA I think could handle the job.
3. Trade a draft pick. But for whom? Shaun Rogers, who is unhappy in Cleveland after being unhappy in Detroit? V. Wilfork if the Pats franchise him as a RFA? Haynesworth? Any others come to mind?
4. Re-sign A. Franklin to a short contract(3yr) and draft his replacement. This would be OK except that it would likely require the team to cut either of RJF or D. Evans, most likely Evans. Not my favorite option, but a distinct possibility.
5. Draft Terrence Cody(Ala) and take away his Cheetos. He would still need a year or two for conditioning and adjustment to the pro game, so this is basically the same option as #1, only with a brighter future.
So take your pick because any of these options could be the one McClo chooses. Me? I’d let Franklin go, move Sopoaga to NT, move Balmer into the starting LDE position, and then draft T. Cody and put him on a conditioning program his first year while backing up Sopoaga.
Haynesworth??
Signed a huge deal with the Skins this past off-season. Why do you think they would trade him?
I am starting to come around on the Wilfork idea and do think he might be had if the Pats let him walk. But in all seriousness how much better is Wilfork then Franklin? At least the Franklin we have seen over the first 3 games?
Cody is an absolute beat. Could be a Ted Washington or Kevin Williams type. Plus he will be available in the 20’s with our pick
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 2, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Cody may be too big. That kind of weight can be harmful to a player's career!
BKA optimist prime- Got the Semi runnin' on 49er koolaid!!
Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
Just some thoughts on your options
Not sure if Soap can play 2 gap NT but looks like he may have to for a bit with maybe some help from Balmer and RJF (???) Wilfork is not going anywhere I feel, that’s one of the impetus behind the whole trade of Seymourt. I don’t think Rogers is going either though he may want to. If we can get Franklin to an amenable (read cheap) contract and use him (or Soap if not) whilst working up Cody that would be sweet (well not sweet but a good thing to happen.) What’s anyone’s feeling on RJF? Haven’t heard much opinion on him.
Not sure if Cody is a beast LOL but he sure seems like a mountain and does seem to have speed for his body.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Ron Brace
As posted before i am sure the Patriots didn’t draft Brace in the 2nd round to sit on the bench or be a small part of the 3-4 rotation. That’s pretty much the only reason i see a possibility, however slight it may be, that the Pats let Wilfork walk
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that I'm questioning any of this, but is Tony Pashos really signed through 2012?
I was under the impression that he (and Moran Norris, for that matter) had one year deals with the team?
I Thought So Too
I knew that Norris signed a 3 year contract but was under the impression that Pashos only signed a one year deal. But this is the information i got off of a reliable website so i would stick with assuming he signed a 3 year deal
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 2, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions
Mighty
good post and great discussion beyond, great job nocal.
my 2 cents is:
I am pretty sure when Jeff Ulbrich signed his last deal he said he will retire at the end of it, so I’m guessing this is his last year in the NFL. I know he’s not a starter but he has been a trooper just like Sing wants. I’ll miss the times I get to tell my wife on a kick off “Watch this I bet Brick makes the tackle.” and be right most of the time. Those of you who are fans of him enjoy this season it may be the last one he plays.
I Always Loved
the way Ulbrich plays the game. Of course he is no longer a starter in the league but i love his passion for the game. I would like to see him become a defensive assistant after his playing career ends. He would be a great addition to the defensive staff under Singletary. I would also love to see the 49ers bring in Lott in some capacity, but i am not sure how realistic that is.
Oh and thanks for the complement, i did put a lot of work into this thread and i am glad to see the discussion continue. It is very important that we have this discussion even though we are in the midst of the season
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Washington, Tampa Bay, and Buffalo will be the demise of Eric Berry!
Week 7 the panthers will be 3-3 and our top 5 hopes down the drain.
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Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
I agree
I think the Panthers pick will end up being in the 7-12 area. Of course, if it is 7, the 49ers could package it with another pick and move into the top 5. I’m not saying they should, but it is a posibility.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
So
You Think Carolina will beat Buffalo? I am not entirely sure of that, though i would say the Skins and Bucs games are most likely wins.
I just can’t hope but think about a previous thread where i questioned the 49ers pre-season rankings and stated that the 49ers were better then the Redskins. Remember all the crap i got for that statement?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't but I remmber all the crap I got for saying Hill was better than Campbell and Delhomme!
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Blasphemous beings, the NINERS will never forget!!
Eric Berry anyone?
I do
I think Frog was saying that the Skins were WAY better than the 49ers and was saying that if the 49ers played in the NFCE they would get killed.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 3, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying you wouldn't?
No NFCW team can hang in the NFCE. It’s just too stacked.
Yes The East Is Better
But some on here said that you cannot even compare the 49ers to Washington or Seattle for that matter. They continued “Those two teams are better then the 49ers at pretty much every position” And that is laughable to say the least!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The NFCE is tougher than the NFCW, but let's be real
The combined record of out of NFCE foes that NFCE teams have beaten is 0-fer: Wins have come against TB (3x), CAR (2x), STL, KC (2x). Combined record of those teams: 0-30. Other than in conference teams, NO NFC EAST TEAM HAS BEATEN A TEAM WITH A WIN. You want to Denny Green ‘em, go ahead. I’m going to wait till they beat somebody who’s actually good. Same with the Niners (though the Niners beat the Cardinals who beat Jacksonville).
Marquee wins (not counting games against each other): None.
Bad losses: PHI @ NO by 26, WAS @ DET.
Sure, TB has played 3 NFCE teams (and the final next week) for 3 of their losses, but let’s go down that road. The teams NFCE foes have beaten have lost to: BUF, ATL, SEA, GB, SF, OAK, and BAL. Some good teams in there, but losing to Buffalo and Oakland is bad.
Reiteration: The NFCE has played nobody. The NFL (and every other American sporting industry) hypes east coast teams, for whatever reason. Just because of the hype machine and because they don’t have a team as bad as the Rams in their division doesn’t mean that the Niners, Seattle, or Arizona couldn’t handle the NFCE. We’ll be playing in Philly on Dec. 20th. I don’t expect to lose to the second best team in the NFCE in their house.
You have been DFiBrillated.
by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 4, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Buffalo's defense
has been playing decent ball the last couple games. With Marshawn Lynch back and TO hungry, Carolina will have thier hands full. If Jake is QB for the entire game, I like Buffalos chances
by Drew Kerr on Oct 3, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I just don’t see Carolina beating Buffalo with any QB on that roster.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You didn't just say we were better.
You said we were better at every position than a team that had the same record in a much stronger division.
I have no intention of dragging on that conversation, but you had to expect the statement to catch fire.
My pessimism goes to the point of suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.
At Pretty Much
every position and you are right man i have no intention of carrying on this conversation either. It was flawed of me to continue it on this thread as up until now it has been a good and civilized conversation/debate.
Let sleeping dogs lay right?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
What doyou think the possibilities of people wanting to trade up in the top 10 next year will really be?
I’m kinda hoping it’s more 12 LOL it just seems a better bargaining piece at that range. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
A lot Of Teams
will be wanting to trade up to the top 10 simply because it is a top heavy draft. I am not saying it isn’t deep because it is. But in terms of top flight prospects it is one of the best in recent memory. Plus teams will not hesitate to find that “franchise” QB and simply put 3 remain probable top 10 picks (Sam Bradford, Colt Mccoy and Jimmy Clausen) if the latter comes out. Also Javon Snead and Tim Tebow are thought to go in the 1st half of the first round.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 6, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I Do Remember That
But the nay sayers apparently refuse to show their faces after being proven wrong. It’s funny you would expect some of them to man up and take responsibility for being wrong. But i guess to some that doesn’t even cross their mind. And 4 gods sake Delhomme? I could have thrown the ball better then he did against Dallas. What was up with those 30 yard loft passes? I mean as an NFL QB wouldn’t you expect him to be able to throw it 20+ yards on a line?
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 4:45 PM PDT reply actions
How bout OJ Atogwe?
Signed the 1 yr franchise tender before the season, knows the division, and I just read on Maioccos blog that he went to Stanford and is tight with Coach Sing because he’s dating Sing’s daughter
33 ints/FFs since 2006…hes more of a ball hawk than Ed Reed
Interesting Development on this one
But he plays the same position as Goldson who has stepped up and played like a man so far in 2009. We should be looking at someone replacing Michael Lewis and that would be a Strong Safety not a Free Safety
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This Of Course
assuming Goldson cannot switch to SS and regarding that i have no idea.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
thats what i was thinking
I believe in another post I wondered why people still wanted one of the FSs in the 2010 draft when Goldson has been performing well so far this year. Someone mentioned that the plan would be for Goldson to move to SS, which I assume he is capable of doing.
I’d rather get OJ as a free agent if he expresses a desire to be here than to roll the dice in the draft (and by the way, I watched Taylor Mays in both tonights game and the OSU game and in both there were plays where he took absolutely horrible angles at ball carriers and it led to big gains).
Mays Is A Beast
but i don’t know how well he fits our system especially in coverage. Even on ABC where they just praise the “explative” out of any USC player they did say that CAL could exploit his coverage weakness.
Any combination of the 49ers acquiring a safety would have to require Goldson remaining a starting safety. Arguing against that would be hard to do. By the way Eric Berry is a Strong Safety.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 3, 2009 9:03 PM PDT reply actions
Mays
He’s very good in run support.
But I don’t see anything spectacular in him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 3, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok so it's a given that we need a Safety preferably strong safety
So if we pick up one FA or draft (or possibly both) what does that mean for Reggie? Any chance of him moving back over to CB?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Reggie Smith
I doubt he’ll move back to CB.
He played well at S during the pre-season.
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by SportsChicken on Oct 4, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
No Idea
Thats why this is a hard decision the 49ers brass have to make. Is Reggie Smith the SS of the future? Is Goldson going to be the playmaker? Because if both are just going to be “good” then we must consider a Berry type difference maker which would leave Smith on the outside looking in.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Oct 4, 2009 10:44 AM PDT reply actions
Hmm
not sure I’d agree with your final statement (or maybe phrase LOL) I think having Reggie at CB could be kinda nice for us. Have him as a CB that can float to SS if need be he did pretty good at CB right? Or am I having early alzheimers :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 4, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
if we can get berry with the first pick we have then take a Olineman with our second, and then a pass rush or even another Oline with our 3rd. i think we will have a pretty good draft.
we should be looking for a Mlb because ulbrich aint coming back, and spikes aint getting any younger.
db’s eh… Qb maybe later but i think we are focused on davis right now. Dt possibly but franklin is playing well and isopoaga can take over. we have depth at the d line. balmer and ricky have alot to learn still.
i think major concerns are saftey especially a game changing one. and Oline.
i’ll even be ok with mays… but he does lack in coverage what berry doesn’t.
with mays i think your getting a intimidating force that will make WR get alligator arms and just a freak specimen. ronnie lott big hitting type safety.
and with berry we are getting a bob sanders/palomalu type potential player that can be hell on cleats.
Taylor Mays
We’ll see how he does against Clausen soon.
This game will tell us how good his coverage skills are
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by SportsChicken on Oct 7, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
here's my take on our free agents next year
Isaac Bruce 36 2010 probably will retire
Arnaz Battle 29 2010 i like battle but i dont see us keeping him, make room for maybe a free agent
Barry Sims 34 2010 dump him fast
David Baas 27 2010 hasnt really lived up to expectations keep him/dump him i dont care we need o-line help via free agency/draft anyways.
Aubrayo Franklin 29 2010 i say we keep franklin he has shown significant improvement.
Marques Harris 27 2010 he’s ok but then again i dont care either way cut him/keep him.
Jeff Ulbrich 32 2010 chance of him retiring but he is a true 49er thanks BRICK!
Walt Harris 35 2010 he’s old but he was pretty good when he was on the field though. probably will get let go
Dre Bly 32 2010 he’s ok i dont see him as a long term solution.
Mark Roman 32 2010 cut him super quick! u suck!
RE-SIGN
Patrick Willis 24 2012 sign him up for a muti year deal! he’s our rock for defense PATRICK WILLIS FOR RULER OF MANKIND!
Dashon Goldson 24 2011 looks like we are already trying to extend his contract. He Is showing some good signs
Vernon Davis?
They have to extend this guy.
Before I thought that he would bolt in FA but he seems like a team player now.
I think he would accept a fair contract extension after this season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on Oct 7, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
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