Hill is OUR guy(Reality Check)
by ninerfanNVA on Oct 12, 2009 7:52 AM PDT
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Everyone slow down, take some deep breaths and count to 10 and repeat the process. I think sunday's loss was exactly what we needed not only as fans but for the 49ers as well. I think we all were sipping a little bit too much of the good kool-aid. Before the season started most of us predicted that the 49ers would go 9-7 and 10-6 at best. Some of you may have even had them slightly better than that but that was just wishul thinking by you. I hate to use a funny cliche but the 49ers are who we thought they are and that fast start against the weak NFC west got us hyped.
Coach Singletary even stated this in so many words after the game. "Just as I said before the season started, we have to play great football. We have to execute on both sides of the ball. We cannot give the ball away. And at the same time, we have to execute on the defensive side of the ball. When we don’t do that against a good football team, this is going to be the result."
The 49ers have to execute in every aspect of the game in order to be a winning team and yesterday was exactly the opposite. There really isn't any reason to see fanpost about pulling Shaun Hill out and putting Alex Smith in or that we should be getting Nate Davis ready to go(that would mean that the 49ers are giving up on the season) and you too and it is not time for that.
Yes I agree Shaun Hill played like the crap I stepped in last night when walking my dog but every person is entitled to a few bad games. Chicago Bear fans were calling for Jay Cutler's head the first 2 weeks because he looked bad but now? Now they are rejoicing for joy because he has looked great as of late. I suggest that everyone who can go back and watch the game go back and watch the game(though why would you) but if you do you will see that Shaun Hill had absolutely no time in the pocket to throw(this is how QB's develop happy feet).This problem blocking scheme the 49ers have is re-occuring because teams now know that the 49ers can not handle a pass rush right now. So I expect to see some changes very soon as Coach Singletary has stated he will do but it won't be at quarterback. I think most people would be shocked if that happens but again you just never know.
With that said; do you really think Alex Smith can do a better job with the exact same issue? After all it is Hill who is known for his short accurate throws and not Smith. Smith is more known for his mobility and deep throws but there lies(or is it lays) the problem. If you do not have enough time to drop back and pass the long throws will not matter. Some of you will say Alex Smith can roll out of the pocket! And do what exactly? When you do that you cut off half of the field for completed passes because unless you are John Elway and maybe he who shall not be named that is a throw you do not make. (Please keep in mind I am an Alex Smith supporter).
The 49ers played so terrible on sunday that there is no way to pinpoint where it all went bad. Was it the opening kick off that was so bad I wondered if my nephew couldn't have done better or was it the play calling. I personally believe that the 49ers were out coached on offense and defense which is very rare on defensive side of the ball (so all of you Greg needs to go supporters need to calm down as well).
Shaun Hill is our guy probably for the entire year whether you like it or not. If and when Shaun Hill starts to turn the ball over that is when you will see Coach Singletary make a change but that will not happen until the entire offense starts to play like an NFL offense should do. Right now they are not there mentally or physically so let's hope that the bye week will fix the problems and that Crabtree helps the team out in a big way(but I have my doubts).
This is a 9-7 team...did you really expect us to not lose anymore? Maybe not as ugly but a loss is a loss whether you lose on the last second or getting blown out; it all still hurts the same. We will be okay we really will; lets give it a few more weeks before we start talking about QB changes. Changing qb's now is not the way to go you guys know this but new O.lineman? Maybe.
HILL IS OUR GUY but I'm sure Crabtree is saying...why didn't I wait one more week.
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Hill is our guy if we want to continue
with mediocrity and Smith is worse. Nate Davis is the future and it only takes someone with cojones to let him play. Roethlisberger, Ryan, Flacco — all excelled in their rookie season and Davis has all the tools to be great. No sense delaying the inevitable. Davis to Crabtree is the TD combination of the future. Get them together now and let’s get started.
Kezarvet
by kezarvet on Oct 12, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nuts…
Davis is not ready at all…
3 guys mentioned above all have three things in common; Offensive guys that provide 4-5 seconds to throw the ball. In Big Ben’s case, even longer… He had 10 seconds on almost every pass play against the Chargers. If you think Davis would do any better than Hill or even (yes, I’m gonna say it) Smith, then thats bordering delusional
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad I'm not alone on that
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Oct 12, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did well
in preseason against backups… and all of the sudden he’s our franchise QB? I like Davis, don’t get me wrong (the guy has a cannon). But I won’t prematurely start naming him the “future”. Currently he is #3 on the depth chart (not even #2). We may get a QB in the draft… if that guys better than Davis, then I suspect that guy (whoever it is) will be the guy to replace Hill when the time comes. It’s not like there aren’t several QB’s coming out in the 2010 NFL draft that have just as much, if not more ability than Davis. Way too early to be saying stuff like that.
I find it silly that people are calling for Davis when he’s not even #2 on the depth chart. I think Singeltary actually laughed when some reporter suggested it a couple weeks back.
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Qb in draft
Thats a certain, because even if we do like davis which we do, i know for a fact that the first one of the 3 Qbs this year fall to us then he is getting drafted thatll be either mccoy, bradford, or tebow and my guess is tebow because of his injury this year and he will drop down a couple of spots down. So im sure with whatever picks we get one of these qbs mention will fall to us and he will get drafted.
"Im not a numbers guy, im a Football player"
by demise87 on Oct 13, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you want either of the three most overrated QBs?
Watch more college football.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 13, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tebow?
NO WAY!!! Someone said it on here, you are looking at a starting TE in Tebow.
We will take a QB for sure in the draft, where is the million dollar question. I still think that Sing thinks he can win with Hill so it may not be early. If Hill had a SOLID line, I think he could pick apart teams, he just doesn’t have enough time, and with our HORRIBLE running game, teams are able to pin their ears back and rush the passer without having to worry about us running the ball on them.
by hudd07 on Oct 20, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were also all first round picks
Meaning they were a bit more prepared to play in their rookie season.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 12, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prepared?
Where you’re drafted has zero to do with preperation. Preperation is done in camp as a rookie. The NFL is miles in seperation from college in every facet of the game. Don’t see how they’re anymore “prepared” than any other rookie. They may have better ability physically (and not even thats always true) but none more prepared.
The point is, is that if you come in to this league as a rookie starter, you better have one helluva line to protect you or a) your confidence will be shot b) your chances of injury increase because you aren’t custom to the speed differential and c) Have not built chemistry with receivers other than preseason.
So 1st, 2nd, 3rd, Wherever…has little to do with preperation. i.e. Ryan Leaf; 1st rounder plenty of “ablity” ….not at all “prepared” for the NFL. i.e. Same with Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell… None of them had offensive lines their rookie years. Plenty of ability, but no help and put in prematurely
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prepared as in
Should have a bit more ability coming out of college.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 12, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats not preperation
thats ability… It says that right in your sentence. The two are not the same
by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
Late rounders aren’t prepared because they aren’t good enough yet.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 13, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re using the wrong word. “Prepared”
by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, it's semantics
We both agree on the premise, there’s no point arguing over this.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 13, 2009 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me help
Prepared as in…NOT having a learning disability coming out of college.
by hudd07 on Oct 20, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis is not even close to being ready;
Hill is not the reason for yesterdays debacle we got beat in every aspect of the game. The team believed what the press had been saying about them and forgot to play football. We have all gotten a face full of reality
by Natural Red on Oct 12, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Davis is unproven and we have a terrible o line doesn’t matter whos back there if they don’t have time.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 12, 2009 8:56 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your fanpost
and I agree that Nate Davis is the future but the future is not now. Keep in mind he doesn’t even know all the plays. Jimmy Raye said himself that it would take WAYYY more prepartion than people know to get him ready to play. The way that he has to learn the play scheme is very slow. So if you think the playcalling is bad and predictable now..oh boy you haven’t seen anything with nate davis.
People love to make the comparison of Big Ben, Flacco, and Matt Ryan but they often forget or fail to remember the main comparison that matters. Big Ben had Jerome,Hines Ward, Nate Washington,Willie Parker and arguably the best defense in the league. Joe Flacco had the 2nd best defense in the league and healthy willish maghee and Oline that can could protect him to make throws to his little name wide receivers. Matt Ryan has M.Turner, Roddy White and a great Offensive Coordinator oh yeah with a line that can block.
What would Nate Davis have? Gore who is awesome a T.E. who is inconsistent but having a good year(but no plays yesterday) a defense that clearly needs a pass rush and oh…a o line that can’t pass block.
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Oct 12, 2009 8:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it's nice that you appreciate yourself
by jfainsf49 on Oct 12, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jfainsf49
my comment about I appreciate your fanpost was in regards to Kezarvet fanpost intitled “Singletary Faces Major Decisions” but I do appreciate myself too..:)
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Oct 12, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reply
Make sure and click the reply button so the conversation remains clear. Thanks.
by Fooch on Oct 12, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
will do
I get so caught up in the moment I tend to forget
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Oct 12, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no problem
It happens. Obviously it’s a bit easier to follow in this thread. It’s a bigger issue in game threads when we’ve got hundreds of comments. But still important in all threads.
by Fooch on Oct 12, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is the guy (this season)
But you have to understand that Shaun Hill has limits.
He’s not going to get any better and eventually he’s going to hold the team back.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Shaun Hill has a lot of limits but he can not hold the team back if their is not a better option for this year? Do you see where I’m coming from? If the 49ers go 9-7 and exit first round in the playoffs then I say open up the competition and give Nate Davis a chance but to give Alex Smith or Nate Davis a chance right now? is just plain foolish; especially when the qb is not the problem.
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Oct 12, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Oct 12, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not calling for Nate Davis or Alex Smith
They are not ready or suck.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you said that, you hit the nail on the head by saying he has limits.
Maybe you can put that in stone as a quote on the website so some people can realize Jimmy Raye is limited due to OL play and Hill’s limits!!
"Optimist Prime"
Come along and ride the muthaship!
by rlott#42 on Oct 12, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the same limits as far as OL would exist and the limits of Nate would just replace those of Hills..
if not be a worse problem to deal with. We’re all having the age old debate of “let the kid learn” versus “baptism of fire” I think if Nate WAS put in you run the risk of turning him into David Carr, having him so shell shocked behind an inefficient line and ruining his growth potential. I would even go so far to say that if you do not see the possibility of damaging a kid that has some good possibilities then that’s not showing much “love” for either him nor the team. We have lost 2 games, one due to a somewhat fluke play at the end of the game and one because ever myember of the team down to the equipment manager and waterboy it seemed at times did not handle themselves well at all. The sky is not falling people, this team, and this Head Coach are not Chicken Little and we as fans should not be either. That kind of reaction is how teams fall apart not how the overcome.
Sorry had to say that though I know that to those of other mindsets it will be akin to talking to a stone wall. But remember we call Sing the Samurai at times and Samurais do not react those ways they make assessments and adjustments.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Oct 12, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hill is going to be Hill
I’m not sure we would have won the games we’ve won this year with Smith in at QB, so I’m not saying he’s the answer.
The problem is that Hill is limited. No, yesterday’s game isn’t entirely on his shoulders, but his limitations were on full display. Those limitations are things we’ve known about for over a year, and unfortunately some fans let themselves be fooled by his w/l record into thinking they don’t exist.
But the truth is that until yesterday, we’ve usually seen Hill do certain things well, and we’ve had to accept that he’ll do those things well, and other things poorly. Yesterday Hill didn’t even do the things he does well well. He was bad all over. That may make it an uncharacteristic game … or maybe it means teams are catching up to him, able to game plan against him better, now.
If Shaun Hill gives us another performance like this, bringing Alex Smith in makes sense. Because if Hill’s not going to give you consistency, a high percentage delivered on very safe throws, then why on earth do you play him? Go for the greater risk/reward of Smith.
Every player is entitled to a game or two where they just stink up the joint. Hill’s now used his. But the next time he looks this bad, I’d like to see Smith get some throws.
by Ronaldinho on Oct 12, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I can agree with that
If Hill looks this bad again WHEN the line is doing well then yes I agree that the 49ers should look at bringing in Alex Smith or maybe how bout trade for M.Vick? (thats a joke). Honestly I must see a better performance from the o line before I can even begin to bash Hill the way I really wanted to at first. You know how we all feel like someone (Roman)is going to get beat deep everytime the opposing qb throws the ball down field? yeah well I feel the same anxiety because of our line every time Hill backs up to pass that he will be sacked. I was never one who looked at the win/loss thing seriously…always with a grain of salt.
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Oct 12, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with most of what you said
But I’d give Hill a bit longer leash. If he has another bad game in the next couple weeks he’s on the hot seat. If he’s bad in multiple games then I’d think about Smith.
by Brendan Scolari on Oct 12, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shawn Hill is a "bridge" QB
He’s never going to win anything big for you because of his limitations with his arm, but he will keep you respectable. To those who say the QB isn’t the problem they are correct in only that he is not the ONLY problem to overcome in order to take it to the next level.
After yesterday it should be pretty obvious that it begins and ends with both lines. When they go south, or the defense rolls out a stinker, he doesn’t have the arm to make defenses adjust and get you back into the game.
A respectable QB, definitely. A building block to the next level, no way.
If he stinks it up again there are some decisions that need to be made because it looks like the defenses have figured us out.
by friars916 on Oct 12, 2009 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that too is true
Shaun Hill is the rubber to the glue…basically his job is to hold the offense together until someone better comes along. I’m sure he knows this deep down but is hoping that he can actually change that destiny but it is what it is. But I don’t think he is a problem and don’t think he is holding anyone back. If you give him time he will manage the game the way it needs to be done. The issue is how many teams are we going to be able to keep under 21 points? Not many and more than likely he won’t be able to bring us back. He is not the future but I think he is an upgrade from the past few years so in that sense he was the next level but not the final level.
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
by ninerfanNVA on Oct 12, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's his own fault
I completely agree with you. I hope he turns into something more, but he is getting every opportunity to change his destiny to no avail. He is a game manager as people say, but like Lowell Cohn said on his blog, Hill is good enough not to lose, but not good enough to win a game for us, so what does that make him? A so so QB. We need more. Him and Orton are compared a lot, the biggest difference is while Orton doesn’t have an elite arm, he has enough of one to get the ball downfield to Royal and Marshall. Hill not so much. He limits the field to only 30 yards downfield vs Favre or Cutler who open the field up to 60 yards downfield. Easier to cover sideline to sideline over 30 yds, than 60.
by hudd07 on Oct 20, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shaun is a decent workman like QB.
He will never light up the scoreboard or have great stats but he will manage the team and if given time, complete passes. Smith has never looked good, so he gets the start and plays as he did in the pre-season we would be calling for Hill the Monday following the game,
by Natural Red on Oct 12, 2009 4:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll keep saying this
give Hill and Coffee the Giants O-line and nobody would be concerned. Draft a T or two this year. ATL is a solid team and we lost. We lost, and we need to move on. We still don’t know too much about this team. We just have to continue through the season and see what this team is capable of
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Oct 12, 2009 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
Even with time Shaun Hill probably can’t put up 35 pts in a shootout.
Give the 49ers the Giants O-line AND Eli Manning and we have a SuperBowl team.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli
would not be good if he did not have that O-line. There was a few times last year when they were banged up and he majorly struggled
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He struggled because he had no WRs
It was only for a few games that O’Hara was injured but Eli wasn’t being pressured that much.
It was more like Domenik Hixon dropping a perfectly thrown ball.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was
4 games at the end of the year last season, where is O-line was banged up and hurt (Philly, Dallas, Carolina, and Philly) where he didn’t do well. It does have an effect…
No QB can be good with an awful O-line….it’s just a simple fact. If there’s an example to dispute it, then I’d like to see it. It was the main reason that Archie Manning back in the day wasn’t as good as his boys. Wasn’t because he lacked talent, I can assure you that.
Anyone who makes it to the NFL level has some sort of abilty or another. But everything starts in the trenches and works its way out. Look at any successful team and tell me what you see on their front 5’s…or on the other side of the ball front 3’s or 4’s.
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 Packers
They still suck overall but Aaron Rodgers is playing well despite getting the [site decorum] knocked out of him 8 times a game.
I’m not trying to disagree that a successful team needs a good O-line (that’s pretty much common sense).
I’m saying that Shaun Hill has his faults and you can’t place the blame entirely on the O-line.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When they play like they did
Sunday you can blame them entirely. How can any QB get in to a rythem or make plays when the right guard is completely whiffing on the guy he’s supposed to block. Aaron Rodgers guys may not be the best but at least they get their bodies in front of the guys they’re matched up against. Chilo was letting guys in left and right. I don’t think that even with the 8 sacks a game that Rodgers is taking, has his line played as bad as the Niners O-line this past weekend
by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You haven't seen the packers play
The tackles whiff on their blocks frequently and Rodgers has to make most of his throws on the run and/or out of the pocket.
Their Line is worse than ours.
The only difference is that Rodgers is a good QB and he’s got good WRs so the opposing defense can’t blitz so often.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 13, 2009 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen them play plenty
and I disagree. There line may play sloppy but they don’t let guys in untouched like Baas and Rachal do
by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they do
Jared Allen came in untouched and sacked Rodgers on one play.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 13, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.
The Packers have the worst pass-blocking line in the NFL. Our line is bad, but theirs is absolutely atrocious. It’s not even close to being a worthy comparison.
"It came down like a punt, Coach!" - Josh Morgan
by shlecko on Oct 18, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit sacked Rodgers like 5 times right?
Rodgers is still awesome so he still managed to slice the Lions defense though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 18, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Never give up"...
“Never ever give up”…
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 14, 2009 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but we need to improve our O line big time. Hill is just not that mobile. But he did make a few long runs down field last game.
Let’s try not to be too fickle here. Hill is capable of playing much better as well as the rest of the team. He very well may have a great game against the Texans…and in this case one may have to reconsider.
by carbone on Oct 13, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was our leading rusher this week with
53 yards
by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not reconsidering anything
We know he’s not the future.
That’s all there is to know.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 13, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's our future
until there’s an upgrade… and even if the Niners draft a QB next year, he’s not going to start if the offensive line is still as bad as they are now. So yes, he’s the future for now… possibly the next couple years. He’ll be 30 this year and it’s not like he’s gonna play until he’s 40 like Brett [site decorum] though, so not our long-term future. As far as long-term future, as in “franchise QB”, then you’re right, he is not that.
by Drew K on Oct 14, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So when are they going to find his replacement?
tick-tock
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just said concerned. I didnt say anything playoffs or super bowl. Nobody would be saying that Nate Davis should be playing. If we had that O-line Jimmy Raye would call run plays 70% of the time and the defense would fall asleep.
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Oct 12, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
we should be aiming for playoffs/super bowl
Don’t be satisfied with the team if they don’t “concern” you.
Be satisfied when they win a championship.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was just a "what if" kind of thing
Go 49ers
by iaalexeeff on Oct 12, 2009 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the same page
Hill keeps the offense on the field. There is a lot to be said for that. That is why we need to keep him, at least for this year.
The last few years, we have had a good D, but they were on the field the whole game. They got wore out and by the end of the game were usually getting run over. Our wins this year are directly attributable to the D and Gore. Hill has been a careful, and I thought accurate passer. But watching the game yesterday, he was careful, but horribly inaccurate. It made me wonder if our receivers have been making him look accurate all along. Most of the completions are circus catches or have the receivers leaping to catch them. Most of the highlights I can think of usually have the receivers spinning around to make a catch. The best pass I can remember him making, where I was like, “damn, that was perfect,” was the one Morgan missed last week. The misses yesterday were uncatchable. I understand being hurried and rushed, but even when he wasn’t, on designed quick passes, they were bad. Back shoulder, at the legs, whatever. We need a QB that can hit receivers in stride. That will improve our O dramatically, I personnally think our receivers could do something if they weren’t smashed in the air while leaping for a ball. And yes, the O-line sucks. But we should be used to that, it has been that way for a very long time. Our QBs have been getting crashed for many years. Hell, Young retired cause he was getting concussions regularly. At least it seemed that way to me, but I was young at that time (so feel free to correct me, but don’t bash me for my memory) and just remember thinking then that we let our O-line deteriorate cause Young was mobile.
Now that my Hill bashing is done, let it be known, I think he is our best chance for success with the options we have. Hands down. He needs to finish the season, and after we pick up a starting QB, honorably placed as our reliable #2.
by AKinferno on Oct 13, 2009 12:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hill keeps the offense on the field?
Have you been watching the same games? Okay a couple decent drives but really it’s more like he keeps our defense on the field! Just go look at our 3rd down conversion rate! Know, I am not going to blame it all on Hill, the offensive plan has just as much to do with it as anything else, and it sure doesn’t help that Gore has been out. But I have said since before the season I was not a Hill fan and I am still not, he just looks scared and confused most of the time when he is out there. Anyways, I’m not the coach and I have no say in the matter. I still want Hill to succeed, because that means the 49ers win! But his skills as a QB are very limited at best in my opinion.
11-5... My 49ers pre-season prediction!
by Ten-Man on Oct 20, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jumpin the gun a little
Hill definately played terrible. But so did everyone else.
I was displeased by every facet of the game.
The Niners definately need another qb down the road. But I think calling for Hill’s head on a platter already is a bit pre-mature. For example, who on the Niners played well? Even our kicker blew it on his first kick-off. The coaching was bad as well. So Hill falls into the same catagory as the rest of the team. However, he deserves a bit more of the shame because he is QB.
Let’s not forget Brady’s performance against the Jets. Somebody get me those stats. We all know he is a great qb.
So I will give Hill a break until our game vs the Texans. I think he will rebound and play a game like he did against the Vikings…..nobody was calling for his head then.
by carbone on Oct 13, 2009 11:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thank you Carbone thank you
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by ninerfanNVA on Oct 13, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really, I don't want his head...
I don’t want to crucify him. I have always supported him, cause he is the best that we have. But my support of him caused me to overlook his flaws, or excuse them. Even against the Vikings, some of his best plays were more a result of the people receiving the ball. As I wrote above, the only “great” pass I can remember Hill throwing was the one Morgan dropped in Game 4. When thinking what he brings to the game, all I can think of is personality traits, not physical traits. He does place the ball so defenders can’t get to it, but he also places it so it is very tough for our guys to get them as well. They usually do, 60+% of the time, but rarely in stride. I think he is a solid back-up, who doesn’t turn over the ball. That is what he gives us that Smith doesn’t and why he is my favorite of our choices.
by AKinferno on Oct 13, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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