Falcons 45 - 49ers 10: On the cusp of the Super Bowl!!!!
by Fooch on Oct 12, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
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Yesterday's loss was tough to bear, although I was pretty much over it by late in the third quarter (still annoyed but just resigned to it I guess). The team stunk up the joint, and while it was incredibly disappointing, it was certainly not heart-breaking like the last second loss up in Minnesota. No loss is good, but I'm certainly hoping the team can build from this.
There's plenty of chance for negativity, but I thought I'd try and pull something out of my backside to bring a little positivity (or at least a little levity), to the situation. I realize this is an incredible stretch, but I wanted to point out a few coincidences from yesterday's game as compared to a similar beatdown.
Back in 1994, the eventual Super Bowl Champion 49ers were 3-1, with wins over the Raiders, Rams, and Saints, and a loss to the Chiefs. Week 5 saw them square off at home against a 2-1 Philadelphia Eagles team coming off a bye...sound familiar? Now the game itself ended up a bit differently. The Eagles jumped on top 23-0 and eventually won 40-8. Yesterday, the 49ers actually appeared to be getting back into the game, cutting the lead to 14-10, before eventually just vomiting all over themselves.
That Eagles game did not see a Roddy White type of performance, but nonetheless the Eagles ran roughshod over the 49ers. Steve Young was benched, leading to the infamous screaming at George Seifert. After the jump, I've posted YouTube from the NFL Network America's game feature on the 1994 49ers. The Eagles game begins at the 3:20 mark, where they're, coincidentally enough, discussing the struggles of the offensive line (Young had been sacked 12 times in 4 games).
The good news to come out of all this? The 49ers rolled off 10 straight wins and eventually won the Super Bowl. So, clearly this 49ers team is right on pace to win the Super Bowl....hello? Anybody out there?
Reminder: YouTube from the 1994 Eagles game after the jump (at the 3:20 mark)...
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History in the process of repeating itself? Who knows but one things for Sing is going to our going all out against the texans.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 12, 2009 10:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was the Charlie Garner game
Replace Roddy White with him and that was yesterday. That was also a Bud Carson defense exposing an offensive line that had been injured early in the year and also struggled heavily @KC. If I recall, didn’t we move Deese from Guard to Tackle in a criticized move that ended up working? It certainly shows the value or coming off an early season bye and playing a team without one.
Beyond that, I see no similarity with 1994 but still expect us to respond by winning the division and a home playoff game.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 12, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Garner Game
Thanks for noting that. As soon as I saw Fooch say “no Roddy White type performance”, I immediately thought “Uh, didn’t Charlie Garner run roughshod over us that game?” I always thought that game was the reason why we picked him up later.
by RobbieS on Oct 13, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same thought passed through my mind yesterday. However, there are too many huge differences between the two teams to think that this team could pull a streak off like that one.
The 1994 team had Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Merton Hanks, Bryant Young, Tim McDonald, and Deion, to name just a few. The players that man those positions right now pale in comparison to those players’ talent.
The 1994 team needed to get their heads on straight. This team just needs more talent.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently in the clip of Deion reassuring Steve Young ...
… he was saying that he knew of at least two teams who would be interested in paying Young more than the 49ers, if he wanted to leave, one of whom was the Jets, and that if Steve was interested, he’d have a word with Vanilla Ice, or whatever.
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 12, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
lol awesome
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love that video ...
Interesting also that it suggests the “problems on the offensive line reached crisis point” in that early part of the season – another parallel, arguably.
Two other things I love in that clip:
1. How would Singletary react to his quarterback screaming at him like that? And would Young have dared do it under Sing? Also, if you were as mad as Young was then, how would like it if your mate, Brent Jones, says: “Bro, what’s your problem?” I think I’d have punched Brent, not George!
2. I love the re-writing of history on film. In the bit about Montana beating the 49ers, the film says that San Francisco fans “went with” Joe, and infers that 49ers fans supported the Chiefs that day (I strongly doubt that – did anyone here seriously do that?) and to prove their point, the film shows a “49ers fan” in a bar shouting “You can’t beat Joe, baby, you can’t beat Joe.” One problem with this – the guy is wearing a Raiders jersey. Hmm, nothing like a bit of revisionism – and why let the indisputable facts on show get in the way?!
The full-length version of this documentary is brilliant. There is a marvellous line from Young about the rivalry with Dallas. He’s reflecting on the NFC Championship game and says something like (from memory): “You don’t turn up in training camp to beat the Falcons and the Saints … you turn up in training camp to beat Dallas, and Dallas has gone now.” Young probably could still beat Dallas. As for Shaun Hill, beating the Falcons would have been nice …
"This could be another Very Special Team" ... Superbowl winning Niners lineman Dan Audick ...
by LondonNiner on Oct 12, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fooch
You’re killing me. I was going to write a FanPost about that very game. I know this 49ers team is NO WHERE NEAR that year’s team in terms of talent, but the Falcons game could still be looked at as a jumping off point for the rest of the season.
With the cast of characters on this team (minus one Dre Bly), I can’t imagine ANY of them taking the loss lightly. If anything, I’m sure most if not all of them are pretty motivated to prove that the team that showed up Sunday isn’t who the 49ers are and that that team will never show up again.
I’m not expecting this team to win the Super Bowl or even reach the NFC Championship game. It’d just be pretty sweet if the 49ers can use this loss as motivation to at least mow through the remainder of this tough stretch of games they have after the by with at least a .500 record, keeping them above .500 (overall) at the end of it.
In any case, good post Fooch.
by sfgfan on Oct 12, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Dre Bly should be sitting on the bench for a few games
How do you defend yourself after doing something like that? I wouldn’t be upset if Singletary cut him, even. Effing ridiculous.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously.
I don’t see the hurt in playing Tarell Brown and Reggie Smith at corner. It’s not like Bly is some irreplaceable talent.
by sfgfan on Oct 12, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact...
One thing that I really haven’t heard much about is the fact that against Minnesota, if he had caught that potential INT on the Vikings’ 2nd-to-last drive, it’s game over…however, it just bounced right off his hands. He has been pretty “meh” in his production, IMO.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Tarell Brown injured?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we have so much talent in our secondary that we can get rid of him. Please, If you hated that fumble just remember that Bly is going to have to watch it on tape for the next two weeks, over and over.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really think it bothers Bly that much
Dre is gonna be Dre.
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Oct 12, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's why I want to see him punished
"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis
by 49erLou on Oct 12, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually...
… believes he had the ball covered up. That’s what gets me.
by sfgfan on Oct 12, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said trade Dre for a punt returner who can get some yardage or a decent oline guy..His attitude does not fit this team, and i can just see this setting of VD again if nothing is done
Judgment day is coming!
by Widowwolf on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
Great minds think alike!
There’s always the worry about the lesser talent level on this team and how easy it will be to bounce back. I think they can, but motivation can only take a team so far/
by Fooch on Oct 12, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
… but motivation can only take a team so far/
That’s is why I’m just hoping they don’t come out of the next six games with more than three losses. Four of the next six are VERY losable games, with at least one of the other two very much a “toss-up”. Motivation will only go so far, but the team’s overall talent level isn’t as atrocious as it was Sunday, either.
by sfgfan on Oct 12, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Fooch
Great article. I was having trouble seeing things in a positive light. Yes me, the same guy who called you out when I first joined NN. Guess I was wrong…was wrong about alot. I am man enough to admit it when I am. Anyway thanks for the uplift. My perspective on things went from grim to a flickering bit of hope.
Thankfully we have 2 weeks to put it behind and come out of the tunnel against Houston raging. The Niners certainly played like the grey clouds that lingered over Candlestick yesterday. Hope Singletary gives the ol’ “Ya live to fight another day” speech.
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
one-game at a time
Obviously it was a hideous loss that exposed the 49ers many weaknesses. I do think the team can bounce back, but I also think this team has some limitations they’ll have to overcome. That Houston game was always an important game, but now it’s even more important given yesterday.
by Fooch on Oct 12, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially
since Seattle and Arizona looked to be resurrected yesterday.
Are you going to do a post on that game and its relevance?
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd imagine so
Since the 49ers have a bye this week I’ll definitely come up with something for that.
by Fooch on Oct 12, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are we rooting for?
The Hawks?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rooting interest
I think I’ll put together a post looking at reasons to root for each and then throw up a poll. Probably a Wednesday or Thursday post.
by Fooch on Oct 12, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
History did not repeat it self... at least not yet
I remember that game… I was actually thinking of this game yesterday.. I was waiting for Hill to be benched to remind him what the bench felt like, but since this didn’t happen I hope the rest plays out as before… we go on a tare and win the Super Bowl once again.
High hopes maybe but we have a talented D… can’t say the same for our offense… QB is suspect, O line is inconsistent. And the OC is still calling plays against defenses from the 90s.
Joe and Steve were under the same system for years... don't expect Smith to be super so soon.
by bayboy on Oct 12, 2009 11:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Humble Pie at its Best!!!
i saw a team that thought they were better then what they really are. i didnt see the whole game but it looked like the guys had a lil too much swag. Josh looked like he wanted to walk into the endzone before he got tackled at the 2. Bly….. thats all i got to say. Hill looked like the #3 QB he is. i wish they wouldve put Nate in at the end of the game. One thing i did like was Singletarys comment after the game as to why he called the 3 timeouts towards the end. CLASSIC!!! lol im still proud of our team. we’ll bounce back againts Houston. 11 more games to go….
"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are"
by Bo$$Ixta! on Oct 12, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t really understand why people say “wish they would’ve put Nate in”. As much as we all hate to admit it, Alex Smith is our #2, and if anyone’s going in, it will be him. That’s just the reality of it.
I think someone aske Singletary that in a press conference and he snickered at them like they were nuts for thinking that.
Davis did well against backups in preseason. He would be a rookie playing against 1st string guys that have 5 games under their belts… If you don’t like Hill’s decisions while working with this kind of line, then a imagine a rookie in those same situations.
Results = Not good
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were the same people wanting them to put Crabtree in. I caught myself thinking they should throw Smith in there in the 4th quarter thinking “What will it hurt?” and then I thought about that statement. I’m glad Singletary let Hill stay in. The last thing you would want is to pull Hill and make himself start questioning himself. I feel Davis is a good 3rd string option and that is it. I feel it would have been a disaster for him to go in there. He needs the time to learn the system how he is used to and I would hate to see him have to go in this early in the season. I think Nate Davis could be the future QB for this team buit he needs time.
by Haggardninja on Oct 12, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis
While he certainly could be, I think if Smith goes next year, and we shop a QB, then Davis and him should definitely have to battle it out. What if the other guy ends up being a sleeper like Montana or Brady? I am reluctant to say Davis is our future with nothing but a decent preseason against backups to go off of. The Montana, Brady scenario is far fetched, but stranger has happened.
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want to
damage Davis’ confidence this early on. We should have learned that by now with Alex Smith. Smith’s career is toast because of a premature decision to get him in there. I question if Smith would have ever been good BUT I think his chances of succes would have increased had he not been sling-shotted in to a starting position in the NFL
by Drew K on Oct 12, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a little late to the party (and I admittedly stay away from the Gameday and Post-game threads), but I was wondering if anyone else felt like Morgan could have easily had that TD on the long reception if he had run hard the whole way? It really looked like he let up the last 10 yards. I don’t know if he was tired or didn’t see the DB or what.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If he stayed in a straight line
It’s a TD. He didn’t need to cutback. First goal is score; everything else is secondary. That would’ve saved the Niners a T.O. that would’ve been useful for the review. That makes the halftime score at least 7 points closer is not more.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 12, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday
reminded me of that 49-3 lost at the end of the 1986 season. That team was coached by Walsh, and had Jerry Rice and Joe Montana. And they were crushed.
Some games are like landslides. If Morgan gets into the end zone and no timeout is wasted there, etc., etc. It wasn’t in the cards for the Niners yesterday, but these things happen when you play a sport with an oblong spheroid.
by Bob On The Coast on Oct 12, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Heres hoping!
But I’d categorize this as spiked kool-aid…
by Poundtherock on Oct 12, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Half-Fast Morgan
Is Josh Morgan really that slow or did he just run at half speed? The whole team looked like they didn’t want to be there yesterday. I was at the game the week before against St. Louis and you could see the intensity from the first snap. I didn’t see that this week. I thought about that 40-8 loss against Philly in ’94, but then I remembered the talent level then and compared it to what we have now.
I will back Shaun Hill for the rest of this season and I’m glad that he wasn’t pulled at the end of the game, but next year, we HAVE to do something about the QB spot. If the Niners are in position to take one of the top college QB prospects (because of the Carolina pick or trading up) do we jump at a Bradford/McCoy? That would mean the Nate Davis pick was a waste.
I was cautiously optimistic before yesterday’s game, but now I have that all-too-familiar feeling of disappointment with the team. Yesterday’s game looked like one from the Nolan era…low time of possession and lack of discipline. I am surprised at that from a well coached Singletary team.
It’s just one game, but man did it hurt. Let’s take next week and gather ourselves, get healthy and rattle off another 10 straight…like its 1994 again.
Faitful for life!
by McBain10 on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I might rather have Tebow over either Bradford or McCoy.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Oct 12, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m very hostile to Texas, but I’d rather have McCoy.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Oct 12, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone on McCoy/Bradford's nuts?
They haven’t done anything special this season.
McCoy played well last week when his team was down, but he’s still not an elite QB prospect.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see what Hill could do with two First Round picks on his O-line
The Niners could get two stud guards next year in the first round. or trade one of those picks for a stud offensive guard from a different team this year. Now’s the time.
I expect a different Offensive Line for the game at Houston.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Oct 12, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Young..
Puke before that game?…
Nice article, even though this 49er team is light years away from that 49er team.
Well, we're waiting....
by drummer on Oct 12, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is one slight problem with your analogy...
The 94 Niners had talent on the team. The 2009 version of the Niner’s has precious little talent. What talent they have on offense has been injured and out with an ankle injury. There is no other talent on the offensive side of the ball. No one stepped up to prove otherwise. The defense had a bad game and the offense had a worse game. I hope they take this game, and use it as fuel to come out all guns blazing against Houston on the road. If not, this is going to be a long season… unlike the ’94 season entirely…
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
oh ok now I feel better
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Oct 12, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
The Niners are who we thought they were!
They are who we thought they were ! !
And we lettum off the hook !!
Now that the Niners have shown their true colors (which last I checked was red and gold, but for marketing purposes this can be changed every week it seems…) We have a better understanding were we stand. We are leading the NFC Worst division at 3-2. We have a bye week to get our (Site Decorum) together and try to make a stand on the road against Houston. Houston is a bi-polar team that is good one week and terrible the next (sound familiar?) A young team that can be beaten if we have a good game by the defense, offense, and special teams. There is a chance that we can beat the Texans and retain our lead in the NFC Worst division.
But we need to stop assuming that this team is a playoff caliber team, because they aint! They are an up and coming team that has the potential to beat teams with a defense that is solid (not spectacular) and a very conservative offense that tries not to turn the ball over. The defense read too many of their press clippings and started to buy into their own baloney. Now they have had a rude awakening and can see all the blemishes in the mirror that were not so apparent before. The offense is who we thought hey were. We don’t have an NFL Caliber QB that can win on his arm alone. Without Gore, we dont have an offense period! We need teamwork to succeed and yesterday proved that. The Falcons exposed the Niners on both offense and defense. It was ugly to see, but there it is for the whole league to see.
So the Niners have to go back to the drawing board and take this bye week to rebuild their confidence, work Crabtree into the offense and hope he can be the second weapon that we desperately need (or 3rd weapon if we can get Davis back on the right page), and somehow fix the problems we have in our offensive line that are getting our QB killed every game. If Chilo Rachael can not do the job, we need to get someone in there than can. Our entire right side of the offensive line is…well…OFFENSIVE! And not in a good way. I still have hope that the 9ers can have a 9-7 season and a opportunity at the playoffs, but any ideas about contending for the NFC title died yesterday on the field. There is still opportunity for success and since they are a young team, perhaps they are resilient enough to come back strong against Houston. But they have a lot of patchwork to do during the bye and some serious game planing to do to get back on track. Go NINERS !!
Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!
by FaStRmAn on Oct 12, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offensive Woes Spreads to Defense
Looks like the cancer that is Jimmy “three and out” Raye’s offensive play calling has spread to the defense!! There’s a reason why Raye has been a journeyman offensive coordinator throughout his coaching career…and the Falcon’s game proved it! You cannot expect the 49er defense to be on the field for a long as it did no matter how well its players have been conditioned by Singletary’s training regimen – The 49er offense is dead last in the league when it comes to 3rd down conversions in Raye’s unimaginative offensive play calling. What was the point of signing Crabtree this past week when the 49er receivers aren’t being used effectively….sorry folks after 5 games its time to send Raye on his next journey!!!!
by Pete_Pedro on Oct 12, 2009 3:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
play calling doesn't matter at this point
because the guys who lay the foundation for success or failure of the play, aka the Offensive Line, can’t seem to get the job done. The fact that a WR or RB didn’t get open or get much yardage is besides the point because it is the job of the O-line to push defenders back or keep them away from the skill players. Only then do the skill players make the decisions (cut, catch, etc.) that gain the positive yardage that is expected from the calling of that particular play.
No play will work when the QB has defenders in his face as soon as the ball is snapped, or if the RB has defenders on his side of the line of scrimmage before he has gotten a chance to get going.
Our O-line is just not very good. The players are meaty but they have slow feet and are slow off the snap and don’t adjust fast enough to stunts, twists, bull rushes, etc. Something is wrong in O-line land. Fix that and all of a sudden we’re quite competitive.
How can any QB do their job when they are running for their life all day?
by jviet on Oct 12, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
you said it jviet
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Oct 12, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If our defense actually was that mentally weak
Then they wouldn’t be very good to start with.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
by SpurredOn on Oct 12, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That 1994 game is very relevant
Of course the teams aren’t the same, the talent is different, but that game shows how a team can change and grow and even fail miserably but still come back to acheive greatness. We don’t have Steve Young or Jerry Rice, but we have Frank Gore and Patrick Willis. We have some very talented players, especially on defense. We can make it work!
by niners84 on Oct 12, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
…for the positivity. It’s refreshing to hear some positive comments for once and not all this negativity that’s been going around. Sure the 49ers didn’t give us much to be optimistic about yesterday, but all in all, if we the fans get caught up in the negativity that can surround such a loss, how do you think the players themselves will fare? Sure, the 49ers still have many weaknesses and things to work on, but haven’t they showed us some of their strengths as well? The 49ers beat Arizona in a tough game that showed they had some grit. We blanked St. Louis and had a convincing win against Seattle. And even without Frank Gore the heart and soul of our offense, mind you were still able to pull within 2 seconds of victory at Minnesota. They’ve got talent. They’ve got leadership. And to hell with anyone that doesn’t think they are well-coached. Yesterday was a flop, yes that is true. But the boys just have to get their heads on straight. And they’ve got the next two weeks to do so. Hey, you’ve got to be ignorant as hell to think Coach Sing won’t have them thirsting for blood when they play Houston after the bye. If Arizona could do it, the 49ers sure as hell can after a loss like yesterday’s. Sure we’ve got a hard stretch of games ahead but honestly, I am not concerned about any except for the game against Peyton Manning and the Colts. No, I am not underestimating any of the upcoming teams the 49ers have to play. I am simply putting my faith and confidence in Coach Singletary, Frank Gore, the Niner defense, and most importantly, in the team. The morale of the fans can very easily be translated into the morale of the team. We’ve got to support them by having faith in their talents and in their abilities so that they may find that faith and confidence within themselves. Without it, they are nothing. Everything starts within one’s self. The 49ers will have to dig deep these next 6 games and prove what they’re made of. But I have the utmost confidence that they’ll pull through it. It may still be a little premature to consider them Super Bowl Contenders. But a playoff bid and a division crown? Definitely a realistic and attainable goal. Thanks for the article Fooch.
by MarcoT on Oct 12, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright then
Let’s win us a Super Bowl!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by chikmagnet_565 on Oct 12, 2009 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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