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Why the 49ers won't ever be an elite team again.

 

First, I love the Niners.  So this title makes me sick and sad.  I was at the game, on about the 45 yard line 29 rows up.  I moved to the ATL because I had to, now I stay by choice.  One of the bright spots are the new look Falcons.  So why will the falcons win a Super Bowl in the next few years while the Niners get you close but always, always break your heart?  Three reasons: ownership, ownership and ownership.  The Niners are owned by carpet bagging also rans who got the team by default - no love of football or passion for the city.  In their first utterances on the Niners they promised not wins - but bringing "fiscal responsibility to the team". 

By contrast Art Blank the Falcons owner, who would freely admit he has made mistakes, first words were essentially "we want to win the Super Bowl, improve the fan experience and make the city of Atlanta proud".  Mr. Blank has spent about $60 on stadium improvements all his own money in the last three years.  [As an aside his partner at Home Depot Bernie Marcus spent $400M to build the worlds largest aquarium and promptly gave it to the city].  The Yorks will never fully do what needs to be done to win Super Bowls.  Oh they will spend some money but never enough to make the leap because at the core the could care less about you or other Niner fans.  They care only about the asset and it's value.  SI lists them as one of pro sports worst owners.  This is not a case of intelligence or making dumb mistakes based on enthusiasm.  This is cold and calculated to keep you pacified until the asset can sold.  Keep hoping because it's all you have...



This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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Do you plan on visiting this site frequently? If so, why would you choose that user name? Or is this just a post and never return type of thing? Just curious.

by Fooch on Oct 13, 2009 2:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why does it matter?

Hey, I sepnt money and went to the game instead of say playing GTA at home. I’m a sports fan. I didn’t know that my sign in name required scrutiny. Is the site limited only to those lemmings who agree with you? Sorry I am not driniking that cool aid….

by FalconOwn49ers on Oct 13, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy there

You can say what you want, but I’m just saying a username is like a tattoo. A year from now do you want that to be the name you’re using? I just wanted to know what kind of user you planned on being here. I mean if you’re never coming back to the site that’s fine, but if you’re going to be spending a fair amount of time here, it seems like a fairly limited user name. But hey, you’re entitled to whatever name you want I suppose.

by Fooch on Oct 13, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he raises falcons

that hunt rabbits.

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on Oct 13, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do the Falcons own the NINERS

COmpare records over the history, We tapped that A>> for years when you were in the West. Sorry Fooch but this guy is a douche

"Optimist Prime"
Come along and ride the muthaship!

by rlott#42 on Oct 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moron

Its spelled Kool-Aid!!!

by projectmayhem713 on Oct 14, 2009 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point but

Doesn’t it make sense that winning is important from a fiscal standpoint?
Now I’m not studied when it comes to team ownership or much about the Yorks. But it is true that that the Niners have not been good well under their ownership.

by carbone on Oct 13, 2009 2:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The DeBartolo's were great for the Niners

But Jed York is doing a great job I think so far.

by smileyman on Oct 13, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with your title

The Niners are primed to be an elite team. We are definately not get elite status until a superbowl is won or we make the playoffs for a few years in a row.
I will be surprised if we do not make the playoff this year.

by carbone on Oct 13, 2009 2:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t even know what gramming is.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Insight int the mind of ownership

I love when people throw out comments about ownership as if they have some deep insight into their minds. It’s easy to make these assumptions about John York. However, based on this post one can infer you’ve never actually bothered to research Jed York. If you had I think you’d see the passion he brings to the table. But hey, it’s much easier to complain about it, right?

by Fooch on Oct 13, 2009 2:41 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you being funny?

Mine is not a complaint only an observation. So you and Jed York are chummy? Based on your unflinching support for every decision he/they make you seem more interested in defending their point of view than the team on the field.

by FalconOwn49ers on Oct 13, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

complaint vs. observation

It just seems more like a complaint to me. I could certainly be wrong in my reading of your comments. It just sounds like you’re rolling out the same old tired complaints people had when the Yorks were the face of the organization. Only the Yorks aren’t the face. Jed has become the day-to-day guy. The team has certainly made mistakes, but as was said below, I don’t think you can fault ownership for not trying to put a good product on the field. Clearly you disagree with me.

by Fooch on Oct 13, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Try not to be too bothered. I think there are plenty of people here who are sick and tired of discussing the merits and failing of the Yorks. It’s well-trod territory around here, to put it extremely lightly. There’s not necessarily any way you could have known that, but it doesn’t change the fact that those here are less likely to be patient in yet another York discussion than talking about something else. It’s not personal. It’s just a done subject for many.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the delusion on this site....

Welcome to the site ‘FalconsOwn49ers!!" Be very careful here though because you might think this is a sports blog but there are actually strict rules here. Your not allowed to swear, pick on the Yorks, or misspell anything. There are many scholars on the site. Now to your post, I for one, completely agree with you. You’ll notice that the editor of the lovely page will rarely answer a question directly if it involves criticizing the Yorks. He’s much more concerned with landing interviews with Jeddy and his budding journalism career than actually speaking the truth about a morbid leadership committee that is the Yorks. According to most of the bloggers, Jed is pulling the purse strings now. As you can see we’ve really landed some top playmakers. I digress…but I have a feeling mommy and daddy still pull the strings.
Also, you’ll notice Fooch uses words like “Passion.” That word means nothing to me. It’s laughable. If I used the word passion within my organization I’d be fired. All the real world is concerned with is results or so I thought before joining NinersNation. See for me, I don’t make a living off hopes and dreams. So when I rag on the FO it’s because I see no results. I see a team for the 8th straight year heading for a losing season again. We would not have been in the position we were in on Sunday versus the Falcons had Jed York secured playmakers in the off season. Plain and simple. Spending real money on the right players would deliver us a contender. It’s just not that hard. Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Mark Sanchez, Tony Gonzolez, Braylon Edwards, Brett Favre, Houshmanzedah, etc. Unless I’m watching a different NFL these we’re all players that we’re landed or secured by executive leadership that actually has a clue. Again, I don’t care about the process by which this talent was secured…I care about the fact that it was completed. Otherwise known as a Result!
My question to the York groupie committee is this: If landing game changing talent is just so so-so-so-so very tricky than why is it that every other team in the NFL (worth a mention) seems to have no trouble negotiating and landing these people. Please I’m dying to understand the logic here. And don’t use Nate Clements please. I’m talking game changers.
Now I don’t want any stats thrown my way because I’m talking about results here. Tell me what Jed York has done for this team since he took over. And tell me how that’s transferred to results. That’s all I’m asking. Is our 3-2 record good enough for you guys? Has Jed shown a lot of "passion" Fooch and therefore we have an up and coming team?

by Forttyner4life on Oct 13, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fooch isn’t interested in being a journalist. He’s in law school. He does this for free with no expectations of ever making money doing it. Please.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jed’s been doing this job for a very short period of time. There really is nothing to judge him on yet. He’s been aggressive about stadium issues, and he’s been dedicated to reconnecting the franchise to the past that John York so heavily alienated the team from. In terms of results on the field, we’ll see. But he’s definitely rebuilding bridges with fans as quickly as he possibly can.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I don’t just mean “new stadium issues”. He’s been working to improve Candlestick while we continue wait for developments on a new development, too.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s much more concerned with landing interviews with Jeddy and his budding journalism career

That’s as far as I could make it before I couldn’t stands no more.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Oct 13, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool thanks for anwering my questions JR!!

Defend Jed for me. I’m dying to hear this. Fooch will be OK.

by Forttyner4life on Oct 13, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's your problem with York?

what has he done in his short time there for you to come to YOUR conclusion???

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We got a taker here finally!!

Drew K-I’ve already posted that I see a team that landed no true talent in the offseason. It angers me that, for intstance, a divison rival has the guile to pick up Houshmanzadeh, while we sit on our hands. I see a team that stumbled into Singletary and stumbled into drating Crabtree. I see a team that was exposed in a very painful way this weekend. So while I appriciate that Jed is born and rasied 49er, and yes he has passsion for the team, I do not see a strong product on the field nor have I seen the ‘go getter’ attitude I was so desprately hoping for.

Make sesne? Again, please, tee off on me if need be. I want to understand while we’re satisfied with the resutls thus far.

by Forttyner4life on Oct 13, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

These things don't happen

over night… And he has made moves. Take a look at the defense. Just because we haven’t started building the offense like the Colts just yet, doesn’t mean they are not commited to winning.

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

stumbled into it?

really now?

Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us

by MadBum on Oct 13, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the owners don't sign free agents

the GM does

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 13, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t defend Jed’s actions at this point… It’s a little too soon to do so. But walls of text and stupidity, talking about Fooch’s budding journalism career have a way of making me shake my head and stop reading.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Oct 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude it's a sports post...

Get over it! I’ve already talked to Fooch and he knows I’m an angry fan. Fooch is going to be OK. Thanks for ducking my question though JR. I noticed Fooch just answered. More than I can say for you.

by Forttyner4life on Oct 13, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t defend Jed, nor could I try to without looking silly. Many on here are far more knowledgeable than I, so I shall leave it to them.

But my inability to defend Jed, after almost one season as team president, doesn’t excuse you for writing a post I couldn’t finish reading. That is all.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Oct 13, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the 49ers are going about it the safe way

Buying up free agents is a good way to waste salary cap money. By building the team through the draft the 49ers are finding players for longer and cheaper contracts. This allows a team, that drafts with competence and a little luck, to acquire more playmakers on a team than would be possible spending big bucks on free agents.

A prime example would be the Raiders. They have constantly gone out to bring in players via free agency. Sure, they are a bit lacking in talent evaluation and they bring in crap players, but my point is that they have so much money invested into so few players that they are going to be screwed for years.

The name of the game is results, and unfortunately the path they have chosen is a slow one. It’s been discussed before, and nobody can deny that this is a much more talented team than it was a few years ago. None of us can predict where this team will be in a few years, but I think the Niners brass has laid a solid foundation for an elite team.

by Kaizre on Oct 13, 2009 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jed York

Jed York has gotten this team further in getting a new stadium done than had been done previously. He’s said from the beginning that he’s not going to interfere on the personnel side of things.

I would specifically like to address your passion comment. I used that phrase here in response to FalconOwns49ers comments about how the ownership has no love for football and just view the team as an asset to be sold. I was citing Jed York’s passion as a critique of that comment. I totally understand that passion by ownership is not going to win Super Bowls (at least not on its own).

I think the team has shown a willingness to put quality players on the field whether it be free agents like Nate Clements, Justin Smith and Michael Lewis, or whether it be extending players you feel are worth long term deals (Staley, Gore, hopefully Willis soon).

As Mike Singletary has said, this is a work in progress. I realize fans should not be expected to wait around for ever. But are you telling me that even from last year to this year you haven’t seen progress by this team? I certainly agree there are big holes to be filled on this team. There are certainly things that could have been done differently, but I also think the team has developed a plan to go forward and is going in the right direction. Maybe it’s a little of the kool-aid talking, but I do not think this franchise is going backward nor is it stuck in one place.

3-2 is certainly not good enough and I would hope people wouldn’t be satisfied with a 3-2 record. But to complain that ownership is the problem at this point in time (as opposed to 2 or 3 years ago) just doesn’t seem like the right angle to be taken. If you’re going to make criticisms, aim them towards Scot McCloughan and/or Mike Nolan.

by Fooch on Oct 13, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

swearing

As for swearing, I personally think it raises the level of discussion here. Obviously there are still plenty of childish moments, but I will continue to stand by the no swearing policy. I think it’s what separates us from a lot of other sites.

by Fooch on Oct 13, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

First of all, take it easy with all the venom.

Don’t like the site? Go start your own blog.

Don’t like Fooch? Go start your own blog.

Don’t like us and all our “delusion”? Go start your own blog.

As far as your “arguments” are concerned:

Now I don’t want any stats thrown my way because I’m talking about results here.

There is literally no way to address your arguments with anything but opinions, which means you’ve already won the “argument” before anyone can respond.

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Oct 13, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going and getting playmakers

It works well for the Washington Redskins doesn’t it?

I love how people act like signing big stars is easy. On top of that, you throw out the fallacy “don’t give me reasons, give me results.” Listen… I’m sure in the sugar cane and gum drop world you live in… that works great. In the real world, you get results for a reason! You list Brett Favre on your list of playmakers picked up by other teams as if the Niners are a failure for not having signed him; were you not paying attention???? He was signing with the Vikings and no one esle. The Broncos weren’t interested in trading Brandon Marshall. Cutler likely could have been had but didn’t appear to be the personality that would fit with Coach Singletary. Mark Sanchez was gone at number 5 before we picked. Tony Gonzalez is at the end of his career and we have Vernon Davis. Braylon Edwards wasn’t traded until we already signed a playmaker in Michael Crabtree.

You make a valid point and then tear it down with your examples.

As to your complaints about the gentleman running the site, its his house and therefore his rules. If you don’t like it, there are plenty of other blogs where you can make an ass of yourself.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 14, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn’t find two Falcon fans on the planet last week to trash talk yet two have already visited the website today with such well informed opinions about the 49ers.

by bignerd on Oct 13, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the ownership has that much to do with it

there is a salary cap – it’s not like they are going to have a payroll that isn’t at or near the salary cap every year. The worst thing an owner can do is either refuse to pay or meddle into the football affairs too much. I don’t see the Yorks doing either one of those things. So the only other bad thing an owner can do is hire the wrong people – and I think the Yorks are going to hire whoever they think will give them the best chance of winning. If their evaluation is wrong, sure, we might not be elite again, but its not for lack of trying.

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 13, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Owner doesn't matter????

Using that logic Al Davis and the Rooney family are the same and all those Steeler championships are just well lucky?

by FalconOwn49ers on Oct 13, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

You jump from “ownership doesn’t have much to do with it” to “so all owners are the same?” Way to put words into people’s mouths (or words in their posts?).

Owners can definitely play a large role, but there are plenty of successful sports franchises (not just football) where owners don’t play much of a role at all.

by sfgfan on Oct 13, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean the same Al Davis who’s submarined his own football team, despite his catchphrase being “Just win, baby!”? Or the same Al Davis whose team is off to another rousing start, despite his caring so much about his franchise that he meddles in football affairs on an almost daily basis while promising that his team is and will be an elite franchise?

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Oct 13, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

York doesn't coach the team

They have made some great moves. I am not sure were this “opinion” of yours is being formulated from. I also didn’t realize that you have been in any (let alone one) meeting in the Front Office for the for the 9ers.

For you to preface the post with “First, I love the Niners.” Does not make it alright for you to make accusations about the ownership that you have zero knowledge about. Sure it’s okay to have an opinion but an opinion based on nothing typically and most often gets laughed at

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You are a hoot!

Speaking of laughing thanks for you post! You make the case for the myopic, head in the sand fan more eloquently than I ever could. Bless you now go back to Glen Becks latest sermon!

by FalconOwn49ers on Oct 13, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

The tiitle of the post says it all. “I don’t think ownership has much to do with it”. I disagree. If you accept the premise that ownership has little to do with it, the you accept their is little difference between the ownership of the Raiders and the Steelers. You and I know that is simply not true. My assertion is that ownership on a year in year out basis makes all the difference. It’s true in pro football and it’s true in business. Think how silly it would be to say that the ownership of GM and the ownership of BMW have little impact on their respective fortunes. The owner sets the agenda, economically, ethically and managerially. The Yorks and Jed may be a teriffic person seem far more focused on asset value than winning – an opionoin shared by a wide variety of financial an trade reources.

by FalconOwn49ers on Oct 13, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

were you replying to me?

please use the reply button – it makes the discussion a lot easier to follow. I am not saying that Owners can’t have a large impact on their team – but when they are fairly hands off in terms of the football decision then I think they can’t be blamed directly for the shortcomings of the team. As I said before – they can be held accountable when the people they hire don’t do well, but you can’t really say that Jed York isn’t committed to building a winning team. I think he absolutely is. His parents? Maybe not – they made some very shortsighted decisions that didn’t seem to put winning as the first priority – but I don’t think Jed has done that.

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 13, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you trying to convince us

or yourself that you made the right decision to switch teams?

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on Oct 13, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No

he’s obviously here just to ruffle his own feathers. Band Wagon Falcons fan with room to talk now after the fact… was nowhere in sight pregame.

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet, sweet Lou...

I haven’t changed my decision. I love the Niners. I mention the Falcon’s only becuase I think they have a teriffic owner. One commited to winning, the city of Atlanta, and being a model pro footbal franchise.

I am stunned that there is this much blow back on a simple assertion. The Yorks have proven themselves as one of if not the worst owners in sport…

The idea that the owner has litte impact on the fortunes of the team is either silly or intentionally disingenuos – see moderator comments…

by FalconOwn49ers on Oct 13, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

try A&D

for your diaper rash….

Little baby in a big boy post. go get your paci and sit on mammas lap, she’ll make everything alllll bettuh!

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mention the Falcon’s only becuase I think they have a teriffic owner. One commited to winning, the city of Atlanta, and being a model pro footbal franchise.

Drafting Micael Vick? Yeah good call… 1st round. 1st pick with now actual passing ability AT ALL. Not to mention his character issues.

You are off your rocker

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*no actual passing ability

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drew, my rocker is just fine...

Mr. Blank did not own the team whem Mike Vick was drafted. But hey no need to bother with facts…

by FalconOwn49ers on Oct 13, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong

don’t think you kow what your talking about. there’s only 2 thing we need(really three but we can do without one for rite now). The two things we really, really need rite now is a oline and a elite qb(the last one is a betta oc but raye will do for rite now(i think)). we could leave everything else the way it is rite now & we’d be GOOD. from the average wr corp we have to the rb’s, & ESPECIACLLY the defense. i’m guarantee that if we AT LEAST the first 2 we’re an elite team. I bet we dont loose the viking game. I guarantee a good line & an elite qb don’t do run, run, run punt with 2(+or -)mins left with farve(niner killa) on the otha bench waitin for his chance. WE eitha hang or beat your falcons too. H… we’re probably a BETTA team than the falcons.

go niners!!! airday allday

by calinig4life on Oct 13, 2009 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so...

it can’t just be a bad day for a team to lose that badly, The reason why we lost that game was because our offense didn’t execute and if you know anything about football all you need is an offense that executes well enough to win every game and a great to elite defense.(see 2000 ravens) I believe if our offense just executed and our defense did their job this games outcome would have been completely different

by ro128487 on Oct 13, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not completely different outcome but...

close atleast. Whatever. The Dirty Chickens still have to play the Aints anyways. It was a bad game for the 9ers and a great game for Ryan/White. It’s one damn game.

"Bar None!" - William Floyd

by maveric_87 on Oct 13, 2009 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think some people have responded poorly in this thread.

But I’m not going to stand on a perch. I was halfway through my own “blah blah dismissive” post before I noticed some back and forth slinging and backed off myself. Clearly, this FanPost got off on the wrong foot. It might be worthwhile to take a step back.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on

If I went on the Falcon board and posted a story bashing their organization with the screen name “9ersRulzFalconsDrulz” you think I’d be taken seriously?

That’s not even getting into aspect of his post which believes we ought to be jealous of Arthor Blank, nor his counter argument that the Rooney family is hyper active in creating a winner. He makes this argument without adding any context.

by bignerd on Oct 13, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he hasn't fulfilled any of those promises

No super Bowls, Vick was an embarresment, drove off the fans and made the “experience” a lot worse

Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us

by MadBum on Oct 13, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strong, divisive title and handle with the word Falcon in it aside, I don’t think the post itself is particularly malicious. And he makes a point of saying that he loves the Niners. He’s not exactly flaming the site, here.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaching Vs. Players

I think that the ownership and the coaching is great. The need to get the motivation back they had before. Just to let you falcons fans on here know, if we had Gore in yall wouldnt think the same. Once yall got motivation yall ran with it. We made alot of dumb mistakes that yall wont see again. After this bye week the players will have their hunger back and will go down to texas and beat the Texans

by Ya Boy Vic on Oct 13, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ownership

has nothing to do with it. a few years ago i would have agree with you but not now( not yet anyway cause things are lookin good rite now). just like you you have your opinion and i have mine.

go niners!!! airday allday

by calinig4life on Oct 13, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you really think

the sco would have been 45-10 with a betta lin & an elite qb. i don’t so. if nyour as realistic as you say you are you know it too.

go niners!!! airday allday

by calinig4life on Oct 13, 2009 4:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My point exactly...

It’s up to our executives to land us a better QB and O-line. Or we can rely and the draft to bulid and wait another year. No thanks.

by Forttyner4life on Oct 13, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salary cap?

It kinda makes it hard to go out and sign an elite QB, elite O-lineman, while we still have our current payroll in the same offseason.

Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us

by MadBum on Oct 13, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?

"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Oct 13, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love how people assume

its so easy to pick up playmakers. The List that guy provided, here it is: Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Mark Sanchez, Tony Gonzolez, Braylon Edwards, Brett Favre, Houshmanzedah. This list is terrible. Cutler cost too much for where this team was at the time of the trade, the same goes for Sanchez, who we couldn’t have gotten without significant loss. Gonzalez is a luxury player, especially with Vernon in the fold. Edwards is notorius for dropping passes, I really don’t want him. And don’t get me started on Favre.

And I also love how people just assume owners can make a huge difference. They do one thing: give the GM the money. And they’ve done that, they’ve shown a willingness to spend and get good players on the field. Play the GM if anybody, (and he’s done a good job imo) the owner doesn’t make personal decisions.

Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us

by MadBum on Oct 13, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea Braylon and Sanchez were terrible last night...

Weren’t they MadBurn? Just awful. And Cutlers stats are not desreving of a big money big trades right. Did you happen to see what TJ has done on the year…the last week in fact. Do you think that maybe just maybe Coffee might have gone off in the running lanes if you have burners on the corners like Edwards and Brandon Marshall. So if McClueless can’t allocate funding correctly than Jed needs to do something about. I actually can not belive you just tried to run smack at the list above. This is a new level now. Wow.

Last-why can’t we land big name FA’s while the rest of the league has no trouble. The Jets seem to not even care about consequences if it means winning this year. Reminds me of the great Eddie.

by Forttyner4life on Oct 13, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think he meant

based on Edwards previous performances with Cleveland…
Jets took a chance and it paid off. Even they were weary, hence the short term contract

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCloughan doesn’t negotiate.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct, sir.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 13, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Braylon had one good game, no need to think he's a stud

Rob Johnson had a good game back in the day too. One game doesn’t change the last 2 year of medicority. And most big acquistions come through trades or drafts, not through FA.

Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us

by MadBum on Oct 13, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Madbum is well MAD!!!

It’s not easy to pick up play makers – that is the point EXACTLY. It takes excellent ownership and management with a comitment to winning to make the deal. Are you so delussional to believe the York family do not approve trades, budgets and receiveables? Hey on that list the Niners could have had Sanchez and Gonzales but would not pull the trigger…

So a second rounder draft pick is too high for Gonzales? A pro bowler with 100 catches last year and an excellent blocker let alone mentor for Davis?

I think if Sanchez starts for the Niners and we get a couple of breaks it’s close or the Niners win.

So we are back to where we started. The Yorks will never preside over a super bowl let alone another SB win.

Think for yourself…

by FalconOwn49ers on Oct 13, 2009 4:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

reply

Just a heads-up to please consistently use the reply button. As this thread fills up it’ll make it easier to follow the conversations.

by Fooch on Oct 13, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What moves have the Steelers made to become so great?

Hey, remember that one time when we were arguing and I was wrong? Yeah, me either.

by SanFranSoldier on Oct 13, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

players

I wasn’t really a big fan of Sanchez in the draft. Obviously he’s worked out fairly well for the Jets, although he’s also playing behind a better offensive line so I think that helps. Personally I remain happy that we drafted Crabtree. I realize the holdout sucked but I still think he’s a big time talent. And I’d really like to see what Nate Davis can do down the road. I’d expect an increase in snaps next preseason. Maybe he’ll end up being useless, but he’s got talent.

As for Tony Gonzalez, did you know Vernon Davis has more receptions, more yards and more touchdowns than Tony Gonzalez? Obviously adding Tony Gonzalez to the mix would have provided a talented player. However I think Davis is making enough strides to stick with him and save that second round pick.

I realize the point is about getting any kind of playmaker, but I just offer my critique of those two particular guys.

by Fooch on Oct 13, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think about it

if we got Sanchez, then what do we give up? Crabtree and probably the 2nd rounder that netted us a top first rounder next year. Would I love to have Sanchez? Of course. But not at the price of 2 top 10 picks

Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us

by MadBum on Oct 13, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and having 2 great Tight Ends

is a complete waste of resources, mentor or not

Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us

by MadBum on Oct 13, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you should rethink your fandom

I have been a 49ers fan for 20+ years. I started following them when I was 9 years old and I guarantee that my fandom had nothing to do with Eddie Debartolo. We could have a losing record for 100 straight seasons and I would still be a fan. I have been critical of ownership too. I have questioned the decision making of the FO, and the coaching staff. At the end of the day, I don’t worry to much about that crap because I am a fan for life and I simply don’t have a choice in the matter anymore. I am in no position to do anything about it anyways. If you want to call me myopic and accuse me of having my head in the sand, so be it. I call it loyalty. Maybe fans like me irritate you, because we are content with a subpar “product”. I say any fan who calls the their favorite team a product, can go root for someone else. “Don’t want ‘em, can’t cheer with them.”

Hey, remember that one time when we were arguing and I was wrong? Yeah, me either.

by SanFranSoldier on Oct 13, 2009 4:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Always break your heart?

Having 5 SB trophies is not heartbreaking. People forget the Steelers and Cowboys of the 80’s. Absolutely Horrid. Every team go’s through a few rough years. The Cowgirls haven’t won jack since their last SB in 96. The Steelers hadn’t won a SuperBowl in almost 30 years until 2006. I bring these teams up because they are considered elite franchises.

"Bar None!" - William Floyd

by maveric_87 on Oct 13, 2009 4:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To add to this..

The Patriots were routinely bad until they became an elite franchise.

Hey, remember that one time when we were arguing and I was wrong? Yeah, me either.

by SanFranSoldier on Oct 13, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

My whole point is that we have some of these 9ers fans whining about their play the last few years. We were great for 20 years. No NFL team has had the success that the 9ers have had for that long. So when we have a few bad years, chill. They are improving. Sunday was a slight setback, but this team is the best it has been in 6 years.

"Bar None!" - William Floyd

by maveric_87 on Oct 13, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Patriots

and now seem to be on the decline again…

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so fast...

The Patriots are are having a more down year than usual. I don’t think they are in a decline. Brady is still playing good football. It’s absurd to think he will play like he did in 07’ considering that was one of the best performances by a QB ever. They are still a high octane team.

"Bar None!" - William Floyd

by maveric_87 on Oct 13, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess all of us should band together and

start going to their boards and tell them how terrible their owners are and that they couldn’t make a sound decision if their lives depended on it eh?

by Drew K on Oct 13, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Just another Douche ranting about nonsense lol

I think we really should go to other blogs and see how many we can get kicked out of lol

"Bar None!" - William Floyd

by maveric_87 on Oct 13, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FalconOwn49ers and ForttyNiner4life

You know, if you don’t kick turds like this, we don’t have to smell ’em… The two oof you should get married… and settle down ;-)

I think it’s premature to say Jed is a bad president of the team. Since he’s assumed the lead role, things are getting better. I think he put Sing in the driver’s seat and canned Nolan. You may remember, he did try to throw $20M at Kurt Warner (so he could bump up his Cardinals signing bonus). Maybe you would have been pleased if he caved on Crabtrizzle’s demand for mo’ money…

I’m buying what Scott McGloughan’s selling. I think Sanchez would have been “the best player” on his list if he would have lasted to #10 (WAG). I think when the time is right (after the next 49ers play-off game) you will see Daddy (York jr) loosen the purse strings a little and go after the talent to go from Wildcard to solid Div Champs. Supposedly they do want to build through the draft.

If anything, I think GM and lack of an offensive minded coach/good OC since Norv Turner have contributed to poor assessment of offensive team talent, where they drink their own kool-aid sometimes. When we totally sucked it up, we got the best 1st round QB we thought there was in A.Smith (how we missed scouting Cal to get Rodgers I don’t know). I don’t think Mr. Kraft “knew” Brady would be a 3+ SB winner. Or Steelers owner knew Big Ben was the real ticket (and his perf is plussed up by o-line, run game, defense). Jerry Jones seems to be willing to rock the boat, make a lot of moves. How’s that treating the ’Boy[lover]s?

BOTTOM LINE: I disagree with your premise that ownership is as influential as you say. If we have ownership that can get us to the playoffs (which may still happen this year: extrapolate 3-2 it goes to 9-6 and then one more game to be 10-6 or 9-7 both winning) it’s up to the players on the team, and the coaches on the field to make the best out of the 5 games that are left to bring home another LT.

BTW: Concur with Fooch on your sh!tty choice of username. Unless of course you wanted to kick those turds and then I’d say mission accomplished…

Looking to put San Fran*six-o* here some time soon!

by dartdart on Oct 13, 2009 5:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 on many levels

Further, didn’t the bulk of so called elite teams get mad props from the sports world for building through the draft?? It’s like 3 wins opens the doors for why we’re so not elite! Think of the lions fans out there who were so stoked to get A victory, why? Because it’s progress and that is what we’re doing. I will admit to contributing to my bald spot when we took Alex over Aaron, but all in all we have had enough talent come through the draft to inspire us to stay the course. Do we need a franchise QB, yes please I’ll take a P. Manning with a side of D.Brees, but that is just an aspect, an important one, of a Elite team and we are currently building our pyramid from the ground up. It is hard to fall from 5 rings, but we have spent our time in the cellar and we are moving forward, and I like the direction. 45-10 keeps coming up the US was taken over by Mexico with force. All I see is a team on the up and up who got punched in the mouth to remind them that it is 100% EVERY game. Lesson learned, turning page.

Save the thesaurus for when you are in front of the judge. When speaking of the A's, speak with your heart on...................your sleeve!

by norcalfan on Oct 13, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man,

Talk about throwing venom on a wound. Well the good thing about sports is that all questions will definitely be answered during a game or season. Debates are debates, but the results void the debates.
So as a fallible person I make a prediction which may or may not come true: the Niners will make the playoffs this year, just as we were predicting before. We had a rough night, okay thats fine, but goodness we are doing so much better than years before! I feel great about this year so far! Tainted, yes, by the most recent loss but no reason to despair in my opinion.
Just take a step back and relax :) I’m just happy that football season is here, and we have a lot of football yet to play!

by Poundtherock on Oct 13, 2009 9:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Whats with all the haters :( lol I thought we all liked the niners

by 49erSalvatrucha on Oct 13, 2009 9:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok, Miss Cleo.

I guess your forgot that those glory days came at a price. Before the Yorks came around Ed jr and the 49ers created the football equivalent of fuzzy math when it came to salary cap. The 49ers sold away the future in order to succeed during their hay-day and the organization hit the jackpot. We got 5 super bowl trophies, from where i sit that makes us an elite team yesterday, today and tomorrow. No one can stand the ownership, just like most people hate their boss but they are beginning to make good moves, building a new stadium, getting inspiring coaching, doing their part in breathing life back into this franchise. I would advise you to keep in mind that while ownership does play the majority role in the direction of a franchise, they would have nothing if it wasn’t for the people who open their wallets, so they (yorks) can fill up theirs and the fans will not support an ownership that lets one of the few elite franchises in the NFL (unlike the falcons) wither and die a slow and painful death. The SF 49ers will be champions again someday.

P.S. if we had an elite QB, we could win the super bowl this year.

J GO

by youngbuckeroo on Oct 13, 2009 10:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Jed is in charge of this team now...

If anything, Jed inherited his Father’s mess, which was a mess when his Father inherited the team. John York is a football buffoon, and a gutless buffoon at that, but I haven’t a blame on Jed yet. What I dislike about the FO as a whole is that they still continue down a path as far as identity of the team on a rookie HC. They did that with Nolan. Plus, they are banking on ScotM as well, a guy Nolan brought in. It’s all part of a failed continuum, but Jed doesn’t have the juice or experience to make a wholesale change yet.

If Jed doesn’t bring in a better mind in the FO to balance or take over ScotM, then he will waste another 3 years. They are banking on Singletary’s presence and charisma which is typical York crap, and they could very well fail him .

Besides, I see Jed as a proxy for his Mother. Until Jeddy can read, that will be the case.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Oct 14, 2009 12:13 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Once again such positivety

I think I’m going to keept track of your positive vs. negative comments from here on out. I’m putting together a spread sheet right now. And at the end of the season, I am going to post it for everyone to see the true drummer

by Drew K on Oct 14, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go ahead..

If you don’t like it, sue me for making your life miserable.

Well, we're waiting....

by drummer on Oct 14, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am amazed...

at how few people use the “REPLY” button over here. I usually visit McCoveyChronicles for SFGiants talk, and we would all be criticized beyond belief over there for “Reply Fail.”

by projectmayhem713 on Oct 14, 2009 2:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Also...

I don’t understand the anti-swearing rule, yet the grammar and spelling is HORRENDOUS. Not criticizing the blog, just didnt know it was so different.

by projectmayhem713 on Oct 14, 2009 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The no swearing rule is designed to get people to think for a second about the words they’re using before they post and hopefully create a higher level of discourse in the process.

You can only go so far moderating grammar and spelling. We’re not trying to be Golden State of Mind over here. Also, there are legitimate reasons why many people are bad spellers. One of my best friends has a learning disability that affects her spelling. It happens.

When I see leet, I usually ignore or ridicule it though. If it hurts my eyes, I’m not reading it.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Oct 14, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's funny

How you say the title of your post makes you sick because you love the 49ers but at the same time your username contradicts your love for the 49ers and your sickness of the title of the post. I think between your username, the fanpost title and the post itself I’d have to say the post itself makes me more sick than anything else. Your knowledge of the Yorks is a joke. As a matter of fact you sir are a joke. Have a nice time getting rained on by Brees this year.

Oh and one more thing how do the 49ers always break our hearts?? Getting those 5 Lombardi Trophies never broke my heart. Also the 49ers never lost us a Superbowl with 5 appearances and 5 wins while your Falcons have only been there 1 lonely time with a total of 1 lonely losses, awwww how sad.. Sounds like your team is more of an always breaking your heart type of team.

by StevenC on Oct 14, 2009 4:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and the only reason they got to that one super bowl

is because the awful turf at the Georgia DLOLme broke Garrison Hearst’s ankle

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Oct 14, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much impact do the owners have?

This isn’t baseball where owners can throw money around on players like crazy. The NFL has, at least for now, a salary cap. So all teams are operating under the same budget constraints. It seams in this situation that the coaches and GM will have more impact on how the team performs. The teams that succeed are the ones that draft well, make good trades, and get the most from their players.

And I have to agree with Fooch. FalconOwn49ers is a horrible screen name if you really are a 49er fan. It would be like me telling my wife how much I love her and then tatooing my ass with the words, “My ex was better”.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Oct 14, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

lmao!

"Pat is still just scratching the surface." - Coach Singletary on LB Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Oct 14, 2009 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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